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Rabbis Offer Clever Solution To Avoid Toiveling Dishes

With health restrictions preventing people from bringing new dishes to the mikvah, rabbis in Montreal announced a clever halachic solution that will allow these dishes to be used - but only for 30 days. Full Story

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Rabbi Braun
March 30, 2020 6:49 pm

Rabbi Braun basically said this a week ago on his daily Timeless Memories.

Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname
March 30, 2020 7:01 pm

This is a well known solution whenever a keilim mikva is not available. Another solution is to revoke ownership of the utensils (make them hefker). This is OLD news, nothing new here.

Question on making them hefker
Reply to  Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname
March 30, 2020 7:44 pm

If you make them hefker and then use them, aren’t your taking ownership of the items again, thereby needing to tovel it?

Hey...
Reply to  Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname
March 30, 2020 11:54 pm

Take a chill… Not everything has to be brand new like your new set of dishes… I found this article very helpful, and I’m sure many others have as well.

Besuros Tovos!

what's new
Reply to  Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname
March 31, 2020 1:27 am

is that there is a form you can fill out so you can actually do this

Allowed anywhere?
March 30, 2020 7:06 pm

Are we allowed to do this form from anywhere, not only if we are in MOntreal but anywhere in the US?

Chen
March 30, 2020 7:06 pm

Ma pitom “Found”, shtait clur in shulchan arouch!!

Selling something you don’t own
March 30, 2020 7:16 pm

So how can one sell the chametz pot they bought to another goy for Pesach? Unless it doesn’t need to be sold again.

Liam K. Nuj
Reply to  Selling something you don’t own
March 30, 2020 8:39 pm

We don’t sell our utensils to the non-Jew before Pesach. We only sell the loose Chametz and the Chametz stuck to the utensils (but specifically NOT the utensils themselves, as that would then require Tevila when reaquiring the Chometz after Pesach)

A Shliach
Reply to  Liam K. Nuj
March 30, 2020 9:20 pm

That’s incorrect.
The Rebbe spoke at length at a farbrengen Acheron Shel Pesach that we sell even the pots and utensils because physically the kailim never left your home so it doesn’t require Tevila.

Not necessarily
Reply to  Liam K. Nuj
March 30, 2020 9:22 pm

That is true according to some poskim. However, the Baal Hatanya, in his Seder Mechiras Chometz, specifically mentions selling the actual keilim, and that is the standard Chabad minhag.

Maybe it's only meant for Pesach dishes
Reply to  Selling something you don’t own
March 31, 2020 1:54 am

Maybe this form is to help us out with the new Pesach dishes that we bought and can’t toivel. It’s only valid for a month which means that next year we will need to toivel these dishes before using them. We don’t sell these dishes in mechiras chametz.

Nothing new
March 30, 2020 7:34 pm

Oldest trick in the book

brilliant
March 30, 2020 10:10 pm

Thank you for publicizing this and for making it so accessible to us. I heard of this idea before but don’t know any non jews whom I could make this arrangment with, so this online form is super helpful

What about a kinyan?
March 30, 2020 10:17 pm

I asked a Rav about giving keilim to a goy so I won’t have to toivel them last week. He said it only works if the goy makes a kinyan on the actual keilim. Like he needs to pick up the box with the keilim inside. How does this work without a kinyan?

Really?
Reply to  What about a kinyan?
March 31, 2020 1:48 am

You can make commercial kinyanim via the internet. I don’t believe there is any need to transact today by lifting goods! Commercial Kinyan methods are valid!

Old timer
March 31, 2020 12:18 am

Does the Keilim sale contract need to be done with an oroiv kablon like the regular mechiras chometz Contract?

Tzvi Lang
March 31, 2020 1:30 pm

Just ask someone who has recovered to toival for you

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