By anonymous
Our community relies on the holy work of many hands to unite two halves of a soul in a shidduch. Shadchanim and references, friends, relatives, mentors, and parents are essential partners in this sacred process. Much of this work is done quietly, voluntarily, and from a place of deep love and chesed for singles and for Klal Yisrael.
Because of this, a reminder is necessary:
Please be kind when calling references or speaking with shadchanim.
What does kind mean? Sadly, it needs to be spelled out.
Kind means asking respectful, thoughtful questions that help you understand whether a single may be shayich for your child, friend, or relative. Kind does not mean interrogating, aggressive questioning, or excessive probing into extended family histories. That approach does not serve the purpose of getting to know the individual, nor does it honor the system or the people who give of themselves to support it.
Please also be mindful of when and how you call. Ask if it is a good time or when it would be convenient to speak. Remember that references and shadchanim have families, responsibilities, and lives of their own. Be considerate of the length of the call and the emotional energy you are asking of them.
It is important to remember that references are often people who genuinely care about the single you are inquiring about. Aggressive or rude questioning can raise red flags, not about the single, but about the family making the call. No one wants to see a friend or loved one enter a family that appears harsh or unkind.
And while we are on this topic, we must speak honestly about lashon hara. Lashon hara is always harmful, and in shidduchim it can be devastating, destroying opportunities and causing lasting damage. Yes, honesty matters, but so does responsibility. There is a critical difference between necessary, constructive information and gossip or slander that travels far beyond its source and causes irreversible harm.
Included in honesty is the reference to share the capacity in which they know the single, as a friend, relative, coworker, or old classmate, as we all have varying relationships with people. If you are not current, state that clearly, such as, “I knew her/him ten years ago.” People grow, mature, and change.
If the call comes when you are not in a good mood or are busy, state that now is not a good time for you, as your tone can be misinterpreted as negative toward someone you care greatly about. Let’s create opportunity, not break opportunity.
Let us partner as a community to protect the dignity of singles, respect those doing this sacred work, and uphold the values on which we want our homes built. The way we speak, ask, and listen in the shidduch process is not a minor detail. It reflects who we are and the kind of families we are striving to build.
This!!! ❤️
Thank you for writing this! It is so incredibly important and unfortunately needs to be spelled out. Great article.
Yes.. exactly. Thank you for sharing.. people need to be more mindful when speaking to references
Always have someone call the references on you resume.
You will sometimes be surprised.
And most of the time it’s not because the person would say anything bad about their friend. Sometimes they don’t actually know them as well as you think they do or they are just not articulate on the phone which comes across as not such a good reference.
They try to help you, why would you inconvenience them more? If you trust them to say the truth, if not you wouldn’t put them on a list.
Who you are tricking here?
B”H, all of our children are married for several years. When we were in the parsha, we heard a lot of surprising things from people who we called for information or feedback about what the references said including Disparaging remarks about a girl’s appearance from a close friend. The shliach for whom she worked saying several uncomplimentary things about her work. We later heard that the shliach was known to take advantage of their employees by expecting them to babysit and take care of their children much more than agreed upon – Treating them like servants instead of co-workers. While… Read more »
Kol hakavod!! Very well said.
Best to call people off the reference list
Stick only to the people on the reference list. I’ve found those off a reference list are usually off for good reason. Personally know of shidduchim that didnt happen for no reason other that having a false rumor ruminating by a off-reference-list person.
Obviously it is important to know the information that is especially being kept off the resume…
And on the flip side, I’ve called references who gave not such complimentary info either…
By the time you’re 30+ there is no need for references anymore. 1 zoom/facetime date is all it takes to know if its something or nothing. Also if a reference is just here to tell me he’s/shes a great person, there is no need for a reference at all. Everyone is a great person, married or single for that matter. What’s the point of even saying that? Off topic yet relevant: in recent times shidduch threats are starting to be a trend and this detrimental trend MUST stop. For those who don’t know, for example: if i refuse a guy… Read more »
I’m shocked to hear that people have stooped to such a low!! Shidduch Threats?! Has Emunah and Bitachon in Hashem’s Plan completely disappeared!?!
It’s dumb and unhelpful as best and in many cases destructive.
What might be new is people charging money as a dating coach to tell people these things.
SHIDDUCH THREATS ARE REAL!!!!!!!!!!!
I have gotten bullied by shadchunim or shadchunios and wow your comment was so relatable. It’s pathetic and sad…
This way there’s no bait n’ switch.
Also remember, good idea to call references when you are in a good mood yourself with open hands to Hashems blessings
Please be careful before saying those words.
What you mean?
Yes, and try not to label people as quiet or loud. You do damage with your words.
I never match up personality, but once someone gets labeled as quiet, thats it.
Think before what comes out of your mouth, if it’s important to say or only your opinion. We need ALL of our singles to get married!
DRC
Your comment implies that LOUD is better.
As with everything, different personalities suit different people and neither type is better than the other. Just DIFFERENT. For example, I run from loud. Sshhh!
It took a while to understand that “loud” is considered good and a word people throw around thinking it’s a compliment.
It almo said no a few times, until I realized that this person was someone who got labeled as “too quiet” and a friend was trying to help. They didn’t realize that I wasn’t looking for “loud” to me that sounds like noisy & pushy…
Beware of people who hide things especially bt they can be gerim. But who cares right? Nothing wrong but lies are lies.
References are not helpful. Everyone will tell you everything you want to hear. If you want to tell me about reading between the lines or calling friends who are not on the reference list-stop. Just set the couple up and let them meet each other. We are holding them back too much.
This is a great article.
Next have to talk about parents particularly mothers being way to picky without doing any research.
Please ask my permission to give my name as a reference. Unfortunately there are some former students that I rather not be questioned about.
You should be able to find strengths in every single student, even the most challenging have something good about them.
I cannot tell you how many times I’ve tried to get a hold of friends and they are just not available to talk. I even text and they go unanswered. Please make time for your friends when it comes to.Shidduchim
This!!!!
I never had a negative experience with someone making phone calls. I have had horrible references answering phone calls…..
The teacher that mentioned that she wants people to ask permission before they use her name makes me really sad. I thought that teachers are always supposed to find some good in every child. It doesn’t mean you have to talk all about the child. But if you have nothing good to say about her, what does it say about you caring for every child. Everyone has some good in them. Surely you can find it?
For example This kid is very energetic = big trouble maker in all his years teaching.
You are the type of people that make shadchanim known as shakranim
Just a tip. When our kids get bored after 3 or 4 times times of dating, we have a tendency to say – okay I suppose it’s not for you.
My mantra is:
“when in doubt, keep going out”.
Let them take their time. You are not stringing the guy along. This is the way Hashem wants you to do it.
There is no rush.
Chanie Engel
Shlucha in Florida
Is terrible when one sides rushes the other one.
Anyways, people can also stop dating and having time to think lkke the rebbe famously would suggest when in doubt
I made this chiddush several years back when my kids were going through the shidduch parsha.
Why did some of our Ovos and Moishe Rabbeinu find their shidduch at a Well?
To teach us that we must speak Well of others. Always and particularly for shidduchim.
well=water
dont know if im the only one, bu hen i was 24 i started the lubavich shidduch procces, and till today 21 years later im still sngle.
i think it has to do witht the shadchanim dont have the right objective and eveyone want to date for fun.
i think i know what the poblem is and if you want my resume pls reach out to 347-234-5982 i need to get married
Usually when I am called as a shidduch reference, people ask specific questions.
Is the girl a punctual person, should I lie and say yes, even if the former student was always late. Was the girl a top student, an average student, or below average. Do you think its fair for me to respond that she was an average student, if she was definetly a below average student. I choose not to be a reference.
I find this really troubling. You can be honest and complimentary at the same time. ” She wasn’t the most academic, but….she’s really street smart…kind….funny….” We all need to help people get married.
Can we add a short tznius video of the person . Would be helpful ?
Is this for you or your son? If it’s for you, absolutely not. Moms need to really learn what their sons want. This in my opinion is a wild request.
I listen to my son, he is open with what he wants and I respect his request. You are not dating the women, he is.
Yes to this whole article! Another note I’d love to say is mothers who are helping their kids with schidduchim for their kids or are in charge of their kids resume and who they date, please please talk to your kid and find out what THEY are looking for. Not what you are looking for. Your kids deserve to have what they want, they deserve to be excited about what they want. If you don’t like it then please find another person who can be not objective and let their kids without filter say their wants in another person. Your… Read more »