By Yitzchok A.
Having read many of the comments to my article – most in agreement and some valid disagreements etc., and having seen that this matter is taken very seriously by so many people, I decided to write Part 2.
Where do we go from here? Here are some constructive ideas to help upgrade the status quo.
It would be great if someone qualified would write an article that focuses on the social/emotional/spiritual side of things – not so much the content of what is taught, but rather HOW to educate our children, with sensitivity and respect, which in term will engender similar behavior between the children and their peers and teachers, something often times neglected.
I am not writing as a qualified teacher to offer techniques etc., I am writing as a parent who went through the system myself and has had several sons go through the system as well.
At our Chabad House (I’m a Shliach) there is a woman who one Shabbos morning, after a class on how important it is to develop a real feeling of love for Hashem, she commented, “Wow, your sons in Yeshiva really spend their days developing this type of feeling?”
At that moment, I had nothing to tell her, because unfortunately it was never presented to me that way as a child and growing up, or to my children.
“Wow, you are so lucky to be a Yid – that is awesome, you are Hashem’s child. He loves you and you should love him!”
Something as simple as that, but needed, to get the child on batter’s plate.
Often times we don’t even start thinking in these terms until we have to move out into the big world and attempt to inspire others to concepts like Ahavas Hashem etc., and it gets us thinking – where do I stand on this issue?
Sure we learned about it, but always as a matter of fact without much personal discussion. Sure we focus on Davening, but it seems to be more about who davens louder then “Wow Kinderlach we are about to talk to Hashem! We will thank him for everything he gives us and ask for what we need etc.”
And as the child matures, so does the discussion, but we stop to reflect and think about who we are as Yiden and Chassidim and what are our goals. We take so much for granted, something we can ill afford to do.
SPICE IT UP
There is another critical issue and that is burnout. One of the ways to avoid this is to mix it up. Instead of one or two topics all day long, break up the day with other Torah topics of interest which are simply not taught.
Here are some suggestions:
Pirush Hamilos (not just in the younger grades) in a very serious way. This will add hugely to a bochur’s davening. I challenge anyone to tell me that they understood a word of Selichos today without checking in the English translation. This is something mentioned recently in Hayom Yom.
Divrei Ymei Yisroel – Jewish history. My father told me that when he learned in 770 in the 60’s, the Rebbe encouraged Bochurim to learn exactly that.
Nach – why isn’t that taught as a serious Limud?
Dikduk – will it hurt if a Bochur will actually understand a Rashi on Torah when Rashi starts explaining Dikduk instead of just reading through it like Tehilim?
Oratorical skills – many bochurim will eventually become public speakers. Would it not be helpful if they were given some direction in this area. In Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin, they taught public speaking.
These are just a few examples of Torah subjects outside the realm of the typical Yeshiva Bochur’s curriculum.
TEACH IT RIGHT
Then there are topics that are taught, it seems to me are taught without the introduction necessary to truly understand the content.
Many Meforshim have a Hakdomo-introduction before they begin their commentary. They explain exactly what they are attempting to do – see Ramban, Chinuch etc. We can’t take anything for granted especially when you approach subjects like Gemara and Tanya. Gemara is extremely difficult to understand. It requires great effort. Do we explain who wrote the Gemara? How was it compiled? What does it try to accomplish? What is its relationship with the Mishnah?
And then more difficult issues: Do we explain the structure of Gemara? The logic employed? The systematic questions and answers and conclusions and how they evolve into halacha? Gemara is something the greatest minds of our people grapple with and here we throw kids into the deep end without a life jacket.
Tanya/Chassidus. I never understood a word of Tanya on the most basic level until I began teaching it to educated and mature adults and at that point, I had to break my head with the different seforim and tapes that were available. The concepts in Chassidus are very abstract and spiritual. They must be taught properly and comprehensively – concept by concept so that a bochur gains a true insight into this awesome G-dly wisdom. A bochur’s interaction with Tanya should not only be learning it baal pe.
Nu… enough said.
I implore COLlive readers to read the article objectively and understand that it was written with the best intentions without any negative finger pointing at any particular moised or individual.
I am raising what I believe to be critical issues in the chinuch of our children which can be improved as long as there is change from the top down. Those who develop the curriculums that the teachers are expected to implement, are in the best position to make meaningful change. We love, cherish and appreciate the staff of the Yeshivos who work so hard on behalf of our children.
Any ideas?
I read this article and the first and was gratified to see that the level of anger against the author in defense of the status quo has gone down dramatically and the vast majority of comments are supportive. There is no doubt we have a major problem on our hands. We are not turning out graduates of our system that are truly educated as they should be based on the amount of time they spend in school. That is the bottom line! The average Bochur who graduates is NOT well equipped to really truly learn and understand well a piece… Read more »
You stick up for a system you admit has many issues which need to fixed. Instead of deflecting valid criticism because you don’t like the “shprach”, you should be demanding the system should improve. If more people spoke out about their grievances and the abysmal lack of structure and thus the abysmal lack of motivation, maybe the ‘system’ will finally improve?
Meanwhile parents shell out exorbitant amounts of money for yehsivah with so little actual learning skill improvement of the year, to show for it.
The gemara as is written was never intended to be a textbook for all kids to learn from. It’s not the yeshiva’s problem – it’s a much deeper issue with the curriculum itself. Yeshivos do their best under the circumstances..
You stick up for a system you admit has many issues which need to fixed. Instead of deflecting valid criticism because you don’t like the “shprach”, you should be demanding the system should improve. If more people spoke out about their grievances and the abysmal lack of structure and thus the abysmal lack of motivation, maybe the ‘system’ will finally improve?
Meanwhile parents shell out exorbitant amounts of money for yehsivah with so little actual learning skill improvement of the year, to show for it.
You stick up for a system you admit has many issues which need to fixed. Instead of deflecting valid criticism because you don’t like the “shprach”, you should be demanding the system should improve. If more people spoke out about their grievances and the abysmal lack of structure and thus the abysmal lack of motivation, maybe the ‘system’ will finally improve?
Meanwhile parents shell out exorbitant amounts of money for yehsivah with so little actual learning skill improvement of the year, to show for it.
You totally missed the point. As i said “The “system” is far from perfect” and what you describe as the lack of goals and based on what one moves from level to level are all real issues and much more…
But in regards to the whole “Shprach” about “accomplishments” and “feeling accomplished” etc. The reason we learn Torah in Yeshivos is entirely different from the reason one goes to a “school” or “university”. You need to learn very well Tanya Perek Hey!
maybe your perfect, for the rest of us human beings we expect our schools to be schools.
From experience yeshivahs can learn from Melbourne YG on how to motivate the guys to acheive. Most bochurim who have been to Melbourne say the same thing.
I continued with the “system”. Thank you very much. I received smicha from a respected Smicha program. However having gone through both “systems” I can attests that in most yeshivahs (aside from Melbourne) there is very little emphasis in making sure that at the end the year the bochur has attained some skill that he didn’t have at the beginning. IOW in Melbourne bochurim have goal (moving up a class) and can work to achieve that goal. In every other Yeshivah you go up onto the next shiur whether or not you have gained any new skills in the previous… Read more »
Just to prove the farce of your argument, what happened after Melbourne? If you really cared about learning how to learn Gemorah independently, why did you not continue with their “system”? the last comment is right on. “יגעת ולא מצאת אל תאמין”.
The holy Torah of Hashem unlike any other “study” cannot, and will never be attained and succeeded in without “יגיעה” and “אין התורה מתקיימת אלא במי שממית עצמו עליה” . The “system” is far from perfect, however I believe that the main failure of the “system” is that they have not taught you the above mentioned. I am very sorry to burst your bubble but our חז”ל tell us: “יגעת ומצאת תאמין” and if not then “אל תאמין”. Nothing more to be said!
It would also be nice if the after 10 years in Yeshivah learning gemorro and smicha I would be able take a gemoro off the shelf and complete a blatt without help from artscroll. Even though I have received a university degree with high distinction and have been accepted into a very prestigious university to do a Masters degree in a science subject, my gemorro learning is nowhere near on the same level of competence. Why? The only answer is the Yeshiva system, with no proper goals, tests or exams and granting of accreditation to those who succeed in learning… Read more »
I agree with #10.there needs to be someone wo can look at the ENTIRE school curriculum in a comprehensive way and help the teachers help the students attain grade level so that when the student finishes preschool/elementary/HS, they r on grade level SKILLWISE.
It is all about the money and running the schools like a business rather than an education for our children. I paid tuition last year to have nothing taught to my child because she had substitutes for half the year. I felt I overpaid because my child learned nothing. The issue also has to do with teachers that are in their 50 and 60 who choose not to change how they have been teaching for the past 30 years. There are more children with issues in the class than there was 30 years ago. If the alef beis sitting chart… Read more »
I teach in bnos menachem and agree that there is no guidlines or proper set curriculum. There needs to be someone as curriculum head inevery school. Or else the teachers willlll do as they think is best.
As a “baal teshuva” who spent a year in Mayanot (baal teshuva yeshiva) followed by 4 years in yeshivas like Toronto, Oholei Torah, etc. I DEFINITELY identify with this author. I don’t know how this could be implemented without hurting those who desire intense gemara study, but perhaps the option could be given for an hour or 2 in the morning and afternoon for bochurim who want, to learn some of the subjects mentioned above. And those who love Gemara b’iyun & b’girsa could stick to the normal schedule of many hours of learning gemara as well. Why not mix… Read more »
Right on the money!!!
Your comments are well founded…to address your great questions…that is precisely the purpose of the committee…to put together as many different minds as possible to help determine what the best way to tackle the vast number of challenges we face within our educational system… whether in CH or elsewhere…
very good writing
in monsey we have that this is the first time i started understanding chassidus special thanks to the shluchim who explain it in such a clear and deep way
the girls system needs a change too… High schools are focused on creating sicha learning-chitas chirping girls (although these are not bad things- it is just that it is at times shoved down your throat) there needs to be yiras shamayim- pride in being a jew- the developement of REAL girls who take judaism upon themselves, a sincere belief in hashem etc.
Rabbi Asher Crispe is doing tremendous work with his educational initiative and one upcoming project is teacher training and curriculum development. Check out his website: http://www.interinclusion.org
Are you working on a committee for a specific yeshiva or for ALL lubavitcher yeshivas? I have taught for B”H 12 years (in girls schools), and many of those years (in C.H.) was in Bais Chaya Mushka. What I found amazing about it was that there actually was SOMEONE- a CURRICULUM DIRECTOR who knew and understood what each grade’s level should be at, academically and socially. So, for example, a 3rd grader wouldn’t come home with a hagaddah that was on a lower level then a 2nd grader. or made sure that a 5th grader would and should know more… Read more »
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Bemokem shein ish then its a responsibility to stand up and right a wrong u speak of random ppl not having a right to criticise well unfortunately are mechanchim are quite random themselves what are your qualifications for a “mechanech ” let me guess someone(trying to) teaching for ten years sry but unfortunately many ppl not fit for the position have got the job and if someone sees there mistakes then they have a responsibility to point them out!!
20 yearold bucher
Mesivta of Coral Springs
…and comment #3, there is a committee of educators who are looking to see things change from the way they are, that is in the process of being put together to meet over this summer. If Yitzchok A doesn’t mind emailing me at [email protected] we would love to have you be a part of the committee.Thank you.
I think you have put a lot of thought into your suggestions.
I wish there were a vaad hachinuch we as parents could
turn to and express these ideas so that they can actually
be implemented.
THERE IS well known story that the rebbe corrects someone about the study of dikduk i find it hard to beileve that pirush hamilos is not being taught next. i find it hard to beileve that any random person has to lecture the education system on what to educate… and 4th i beileve that chassidim has to face a systemic wide ideological vice that forces them to not be innovative and not to think in new ways of how to think about new things and new definitions in things that affect the jewish people today… we only celebrate our history… Read more »
I agree in a way , there r some bochrim that unfortinaly lack these things mentiond and the biggest prob is they dont even know that there lacking somthing one the other hand there r alot of bochrim that boruch hashem r not lacking these things and even by these bochrim it came from themselves , they thougt in to it … So it would be a disaster if the system would to be changed for those bochrim that r lacking these stuff . Shiur gimmle zal would be turned into kita alef chader but on the other hand a… Read more »