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    When Tuition is Like ‘Torture’

    From the COLlive Inbox: The story of the torture of the "Asara Harugei Malchus" reminds me of something nowadays, which we go through each year when registering our children for school. Full Story

    Shlomo Kantrowitz, 54, OBM

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    People will stop having kids, R"L because of the Yeshivos.
    Guest
    People will stop having kids, R"L because of the Yeshivos.

    The Yeshiva is there to be mechazek Torah. If it does the opposite, why do we need the Yeshivos altogether. People are limiting their family size due to the Yeshiva.
    I think the analogy is more like Paroh….Hashem Yishmor.

    you could have said the same thing without the drama
    Guest
    you could have said the same thing without the drama

    yes you have a point in the never ending monies being demanded of parents, but your comparison of Jews to Romans is sickening, maybe you need to go back to school to appreciate what tortures the the asara harugei malchus were subjected to, tuition is a challenge, not torture, and if you treat it as such, you might as well send your children to public school, b/c they will inherit your attitude towards Torah education

    you r right
    Guest
    you r right

    i hope somebody will do something about this.

    you (and alot of anash) need more emuna
    Guest
    you (and alot of anash) need more emuna

    I thing schools should put up signs with the gemara (rh) that school fees are not included in your cheshbon

    BIG FAMILY = RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE BIG $$$$$
    Guest
    BIG FAMILY = RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE BIG $$$$$

    Part of the Mesiras Nefesh of having a large family is being able to support them…….

    Realistically speaking, to provide 8 kids a Chasidishe education, one needs to earn AT LEAST $150,000 (!) above and beyond minimum living expenses !!!!

    Go out there and make money!!!!

    The pessimism and cynicim in today's lubavitch stinks
    Guest
    The pessimism and cynicim in today's lubavitch stinks

    I don’t see one positive note from this author. I BH am able to pay full tuition (just barely) and I know that I am subsidizing those that are not able to. When I read this, I want to take my kids out of the Lubavitch cheder and to the school down the block where parents have smaller families and more money to keep the school going with higher salaries, qualified teachers, better resources, etc. than my own kids Lubavitch school. The Frieerdiker Rebbe’s chasidim were moiser nefesh b’gashmious for chinuch. We, the generation of Moshiach, are moiser nefesh with… Read more »

    hmmm
    Guest
    hmmm

    good point put in an interesting way….

    after all, salaries ARE getting paid, t
    Guest
    after all, salaries ARE getting paid, t

    after all, salaries ARE getting paid,

    did I miss something.!!??!!
    The Bais Rivkah teachers are up to date with their pay!?.
    Where were you COL this is certainly news worthy!!

    Proud Parent
    Guest
    Proud Parent

    Filling out financial aid froms for OUR schools makes me feel like Im being attacked….

    agree wholeheartedly
    Guest
    agree wholeheartedly

    There were bochurim in zal this year that did not finish the school year because their parents didnt pay. These kids spent the last couple months not welcome in a lubavitcher moisad because of money. The hanhalla should be ashamed.

    i agree
    Guest
    i agree

    Chadarim and yeshivas have turned into a business its all about the money the kids that pay get treated the best and those that don’t pay sometimes get thrown out of schools when is this gonna end? I know when its gonna end when we put our foot down and don’t let these pathetic “chassidim” of the rebbe get away with murder!!!! Moshiach now!!!

    So true
    Guest
    So true

    Unfortunately the times have changed with regard to tuition
    It’s out of hand how much money is being asked or else
    Lubavitch used to be the only school where you pay what you can afford……that’s why my great grandparents became lubavitch after the war
    So sad how it changed;(

    Israel
    Guest
    Israel

    if you’re really unable to pay the tuition here, might consider moving to Israel. Despite all the challenges of living there and making enough to cover the basic rent or mortgage and food, school and yeshiva tuition are normally affordable there.

    move to Russia
    Guest
    move to Russia

    all the religious expenses are fully subsidized in most established communities there, including Moscow, Dnepropetrovsk, and others. The schools charge pretty nominal fees, yeshivas could be free or pretty low tuition depending on your financial situation. Not to mention that Moscow has the best mesivta in Lubavith nowadays. Is there really more available capital there that here now?

    free high schools in Israel
    Guest
    free high schools in Israel

    there’re high school programs in Kfar Chabad and Tsfat that have been advertised in Nshei Chabad the past couple of years that offer free high school education for girls form other countries – aliya is not required.

    contradiction
    Guest
    contradiction

    the schools here have to get it straight. either change your curriculum and stop teaching about having large families or make it possible for those with large families to be able to send their kids to jewish schools.

    shluchim online school
    Guest
    shluchim online school

    shluchim who don’t have or can’t afford local schools, can enroll their kids at the online school which offers a tution about half of regular schools, and additional need-based scholarships.

    #4 correction
    Guest
    #4 correction

    the gemara is in beitza 16 a otherwise i agree.

    Working HARD and LONG hours
    Guest
    Working HARD and LONG hours

    Forget about one parent working these days. Every family need both parents working FULL TIME and even at that it is near impossible to keep up with tuition payments. An entire overhaul of our chinuch system MUST be discussed.

    practicality
    Guest
    practicality

    Practically speaking schools really do need to figure out a better system….there have to be ways to fund raise without milking the parents. Parents are people too: they have a right to go on vacation, to go to a restaurant and to have a normal life. The tuition most parents pay is already a huge expense. The attitude that parents and families should do nothing other than pay tuition is not fair. yes, schools have expenses. yes, parents need to pay what they can afford. But schools should not send children away if parents cannot pay fully. and schools should… Read more »

    actual costs
    Guest
    actual costs

    would be good to compare the actual costs between different communities. This year, my heavily-discounted tuition bill for 3 kids in Lubavitch elementary / middle school plus 1 child in kindergarten is just about $30,000. Two older children in yeshiva – $12,000 each plus tickets / expenses, so it’s almost another $30,000. That does not include summer camps or yeshivos kayitz which are either a necessity or required by yeshivos. That’s eaily over $6,000 minimum – and you have to beg for discounts. Plus you need extra tutoring to compensate for the lower quility of education in some classes. So… Read more »

    Out of towner
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    Out of towner

    If I didn’t know any better, I’d have thought I wrote this. I totally believe “registration fees” are bogus. Why does it cost hundreds of dollars each year to re-register a child? Is there that many man hours/paperwork that needs to be done for each returning child? Its just another way for the school to nickel and dime already cash-strapped parents that are unable to afford the astronomical cost of yeshivos. It kills me that we pay taxes for our public schools but are still paying an arm and leg to send our children to Yeshiva.

    Children cost money
    Guest
    Children cost money

    Today’s society believes everyone owes them something. Free food, health insurance, and why not free tuition?

    20,000 for each public school student
    Guest
    20,000 for each public school student

    NYC Department of education takes our tax dollars and spends about 20 billion dollars each year for the 1.1 million students.
    That is almost 20,000 per year per student.

    Other states give vouchers to parents for private schools – NYS does not give any vouchers.

    just a thought
    Guest
    just a thought

    When I went to yeshiva my parents came in and sat down with rabbi bogomilsky and he asked my dad how MUCH DO U WANT TO PAY!!!!!!! Those were the days he made my parents feel like a million dollars !!!! What a great yeshiva them and how great was rabbi bogo for making everyone welcome!!!!!

    Du u know how much the teacher get paid
    Guest
    Du u know how much the teacher get paid

    צריך ללמד ליכתוב באנגלית וגם חשבון תיתעוררו אם רוצים להביא פרנסה נורמלית צריך לימודי חול. זה לא יכול לעבוד אחרת וכולכם תפסיקו לי כמות במיוחד השלוחים בתים אם בריכות שחיה די די תשלמוןתישתקו וגם אלו מהשכונה די יש לכם מכוניות חדשות בתים חדשים נוסעים לטיולים נוסעים להרים אלו שאין להם באמת שיבואו להראות אם יש רואים שידידי לפריזיטים תשלמו מהר

    $4,000 - $5,000 vs. $8,000 - $12,000
    Guest
    $4,000 - $5,000 vs. $8,000 - $12,000

    There is a median range if comparing facts.or
    NY + Pittsburgh… $4k – $5k
    or
    Los Angeles + Miami $8k – $12k
    per kid
    avg #s of what’s actually paid irl. not what’s charged

    have more children
    Guest
    have more children

    why limit your kids because of money aderaba have as many kids as you want live life according to your terms. the bigger the bsiness man the more they will tell you the the aibeshter is the one who provides.

    schnorrers
    Guest
    schnorrers

    It does not sound like people have much self respect or pride when they are effectively both asking for handouts (getting handouts) and complaining it is not enough. The schools are already subsidized by goyim and less frum Jews.

    to 17
    Guest
    to 17

    get your facts straight. Online school is over $4000 a month per kid tuition. do the math. thats over $40,000 a month. and the teachers get paid in nickels and dimes. i have three kids on it.

    to Rabbi Bogomilsky
    Guest
    to Rabbi Bogomilsky

    I second #25! My parents had no money. And as hard as my dad worked he just couldn’t end the month. In “today’s” enviroment I as well as all my siblings would not have had a decent school to go to. I don’t know what exactly my father paid , I suspect it was ZERO or extremely close to it. Yes, those were the days… Perhaps that’s what the author is refering to.

    Kol Hakavod To the Author
    Guest
    Kol Hakavod To the Author

    It’s hard to see someone with such strength and love for their children speak up so publicly about their hardships. I think the article stays positive but she is honest at the same time and it’s not a bright picture to see and hear what people go through sometimes. The community has so much success and helps so many outside its borders, let’s get together and start helping from within too. Maybe a new fundraising effort for scholarships and tuition assistance should be revamped into an annual event where the community can come together and donate a little more than… Read more »

    School Of Choice
    Guest
    School Of Choice

    The really fixer will be getting school of choice passed nation-wide. Then instead of your tax dollars funding public school, you will be funding your yeshivas

    evryone knows children cost money
    Guest
    evryone knows children cost money

    but we are talking about a chabad moisad. a chabad house woul dnot overcharge for a pesach seder if they charge. they woul dnot want anyone turned of from coming to shul with high shul costs, why is it ok for a chabad moisad promote smaller families?? this is what they are doing. very very sad. if you undertake to run a yeshiva bgashmius, you gotta fund raise.
    hatzlocho, ksiva v’chasima tova
    btw- My parents paid 18.00 a month(maybe a year) to yeshiva of monteal – yay Rabbi Kramer olov Hasholom

    round and round and round
    Guest
    round and round and round

    Every couple of months we read the same theme in different formats. Wake up to reality…it is not going to change! The Yeshivas are still going to “skin you alive.” Thank G-d all my kids are grown, but let me tell you, it was just as bad for us. One year we paid $50,000 for 3 boys who were out of town because CH yeshivas were not working for them. I get it, but like I said it isn’t changing so why waste your creative energy on writing a cute op-ed. Better work another job & buy a lottery ticket.

    educator
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    educator

    From the administrative point of view, I can say that we make NO money – on the contrary we raise 200,000 just to pay the bills. Tuition barely covers anything. Stress level is high to pay the teachers, be fair to families, provide supplies, etc. What needs to be done is government help – the government needs to be supporting private schools more…..otherwise there is no other way.

    To no. 8 and no. 1
    Guest
    To no. 8 and no. 1

    …did someone say salaries being paid? My niece is a teacher in Bais Rivka….7 months behind…..and that is how chinuch of our children is appreciated?…black on white. As to the comment that people will stop having children despite the Rebbe CLEARLY saying money should not be a reason for not…one of our elter chassidishim of the Rebbe told parents at registration when they say it is very hard to pay >He actually said to them “So why are you having so many children?” PLease Please do not shame our Rebbe and do NOT call yourself the Rebbes school

    i implore
    Guest
    i implore

    could the administrations of today’s schools go to Rabbi Bogomilsky for a lesson on how to treat parents like human beings? as one of the comments described Rabbi Bogomilsky nothing like today’s administration…

    #21 actual costs
    Guest
    #21 actual costs

    I doubt it’s too much better elsewhere. Here in Houston list price averages about $12K per kid (Chabad, not Chabad, all the prices are about the same). I assume 75% of the school needs aid. Same pulling (your own) teeth to get discounts. At least the Shluchim here know you and your family, so they are kind enough to help out. But I can only imagine what parents must go through once they have to send away for a yeshiva high school. Seems like out of town places just say, “no pay, no play.” And then that hurts our local… Read more »

    Pell grant
    Guest
    Pell grant

    Why is it that this year we applied for a pell grant for our oldest son, and only half the amount was deducted from our tuition bill??? What is happening to the rest?

    honesty and equity
    Guest
    honesty and equity

    My wife and I work full time on the books, we have no house keeper. We have not had a vacation or travelled to a simcha in over 9 years. A friend of mine works for his parents, gets paid off the books, wife stays at home, has a housekeeper, takes vacations each winter and summer. Yet, we pay the same tuition. He could easily pay more by cutting the luxuries, yet he is able to get a discount similar to mine because his tax returns do not reflect his actual income. I can’t blame the yeshivas for there hard… Read more »

    Bitachon
    Guest
    Bitachon

    I am a mother of many children Baruch Hashem! My husband and I are the trusted caregivers of Hashem’s treasures. We pay more than 10 tuitions. We live in Olam Hasheker! Hashem is hidden from us! It is quite wonderful when utter and complete trust in the Aibishter results in tremendous wealth b’ruchnius and b’gashmius! I’ve lost count the number of times that Bitachon has manifested itself into a little pot of much needed gold. Forget teva and think Hashem is there for us! Pay attention and focus on Him!!! Countless Igros of the Rebbe MHM speak about strengthening ones… Read more »

    Satmar
    Guest
    Satmar

    Do what Satmar did and tell the city that if they don’t cough up more money for Satmar Yeshivos we will send thousands of kids to public school and the system won’t handle that many kids , it worked and they got the money ! Chasideshe kup

    Administrators
    Guest
    Administrators

    The real question here is how a “kehila” Mossad can be run by just one or two individuals, with no board and no one to talk to other then those individuals, who happen all to be related to each other. I wonder is this is how other yeshivas in BP or FB run, one person and if u don’t get along, then hey, there’s the door they say…

    100 % RIGHT
    Guest
    100 % RIGHT

    THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.

    Two-Yeshiva System?
    Guest
    Two-Yeshiva System?

    Should we have two Yeshivas:
    A moisad for full payers who will be provided with the quality of teachers, curriculum, and materials that they want;
    A moisad that says “Pay what you can” like the “old” days, but provides a chinuch like the old days – teachers who are unqualified at ANY job let alone teaching, a couple of scarred tables and discarded pencils clustered around in an un-air-conditioned classroom…

    Guess what?
    Guest
    Guess what?

    Guess what? Education COSTS! What the Crown Heights schools charge is bubkes compared to any other school (and what you get is also a much lower level of education). Teachers and administrators need to get paid, yes – books cost money! Would you rather buy all the books new yourself (as many schools do)? You’d be paying a whole lot more! Paper, electricity, heat, janitorial staff, food – it’s amazing the schools manage to stay open at all. I think people in general grossly underestimate the cost of education. Having said that, I think the Crown Heights schools need to… Read more »

    heavy lifting *must* come from the administration.
    Guest
    heavy lifting *must* come from the administration.

    remember Parents must also be there for their children, simply as parents, parents must also pay for a nutritional suppers and have the time to sit with their kids to raise healthy grounded chssidishe kids.

    chicagoan
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    chicagoan

    The Cheder has a minimum tuition policy for all in towners of $3000 per student. Although that too is significant with large families but it is understood unless we want ObamaEd which may be as disastrous as ObamaCare. Kudos to our administration for raising all the extra dollars for the school’s operations.

    SJS
    Guest
    SJS

    Jewish homeschooling is growing exponentially. I highly recommend this path for Chabad families who are looking for a more centered, healthy, happy, and financially realistic path.

    Home vs. School
    Guest
    Home vs. School

    Kids come home to poverty.
    Both parents are out working but can’t cover tuition.

    School puts kids out to the street.
    Both parents are out working but still can’t cover tuition.

    teachers in ch cant survive
    Guest
    teachers in ch cant survive

    My friend works at darchai….. their salary is shamefull. he must be taking other jobs to make it t
    every months. They try hard to pay ontime. at least 10 times in 2 years i needed to lend him money. for diapers for food for rent. before chanuka. before purim…. The salarys are so low. they say well pay u
    you in a way you can get section8, meficaid, food stams,wic, children services, daycare centers…..

    C’mon. if each parent will fundraise….. you go and tell those romans that you are willing to help out…..

    Israel
    Guest
    Israel

    there are many options
    if you want to complain for tuitions, fundraise money for the moisad toward your tuition, or go to Israel. There are other more serious problems and needs in life

    #43
    Guest
    #43

    THATS INGENIOUS!

    From an administrator
    Guest
    From an administrator

    This article is ludicrous and ridiculous.

    Anyone who wants to know how much tuition does NOT cover should talk to anyone in the administrative position of a moised.

    To parents that complain — yes, it is hard, but often times full tuition doesn’t even cover our expense per student. Teachers need to be payed — they need to put food on their table.

    On the flip side, educators work tirelessly to provide the best for your child — if you don’t like it and think you can do better– start your own program!

    Gedoley Isroel ALWAYS did the fund raising.
    Guest
    Gedoley Isroel ALWAYS did the fund raising.

    Historical fact:
    Gedoley Isroel ALWAYS did the main fund raising.

    True Mosdos Torah always did and forever will survive and thrive only because of great Rabonim and leaders who did the main fundraising with messiras nefesh.

    Overburdening parents will only have negative and disastrous
    effects on the jewish home, child and community long term.

    Hashem Yirachem.

    A Chicagoan
    Guest
    A Chicagoan

    I understand that teachers in our school all have retirement Accounts funded by the school as well as disability insurance.

    Time to go back to "chedder"
    Guest
    Time to go back to "chedder"

    Parents, don’t underestimate your ability to educate your children at home or in a small group with a private melamed.

    Your kids will get a better education, you get to not feel like a burden on the community, and you’ll save some cash too.

    Time to go back to “chedder” it worked for our forefathers for thousands of years.

    it worked for Geonim, tzadikkim and simple folk in all of our history.

    the reason why prices are rising
    Guest
    the reason why prices are rising

    a couple has 7 kids, and each of those kids has 7 kids etc. There are so many younger children every year. Prices just represent how scarce the item is. So for instance, if tuitions were lowered to 10$, that wouldn’t change the fact that the demand to get into the schools is MUCH higher than the supply. The ONLY way to lower tuition prices is if the school needs the students more than the students need the schools. Either jewish communities need to be opening up new schools every year, or parents have to embrace alternatives like homeschooling. if… Read more »

    Home-school done right
    Guest
    Home-school done right

    Keeps costs manageable.
    lower stress levels for parents and children.
    potentially very high level education.

    like the Rebbe wants.
    Guest
    like the Rebbe wants.

    Parents need to:
    Have many children, raise them to be chassidim,
    like the Rebbe wants.

    Schools need to:
    Take in many children, educate them and fund raise from world jewry,
    like the Rebbe wants.

    Together we will raise a generation of chassidim,
    like the Rebbe wants.

    variation on home schooling?
    Guest
    variation on home schooling?

    What about a group of parents getting together to cooperate in home-schooling their kids? Let the parents teach and have the classes in their living rooms?

    No. 23
    Guest
    No. 23

    You have been corrupted by Americas and all that it stands for. In halacha there is no such a thing “youre on your own”. In Halacha Chinuch is a cost that is borne by the Kehila, and if a child is not being educated it is up to the Kehila to educte him. As for the other things you mentioned, in most normal places of employment it is standar that you get health insurance, but in the hiemishe kehila it is the norm, we will pay you starvation wages and you can turn to welfare. From what i hear, the… Read more »

    # 16 HAVING LARGE FAMS IS NOT THE SCHOOLS CURRICULUM, ITS THE FRUM CURRICULUM AND THE REBBES CURRICULUM
    Guest
    # 16 HAVING LARGE FAMS IS NOT THE SCHOOLS CURRICULUM, ITS THE FRUM CURRICULUM AND THE REBBES CURRICULUM
    how about the 20000$+ for your daughter to go to seminary??
    Guest
    how about the 20000$+ for your daughter to go to seminary??
    BERNIE MADOFF
    Guest
    BERNIE MADOFF

    $250/400 TO REGISTER A CHILD???? SOUNDS LIKE A KOSHER PONZI SCHEME TO ME!!!

    My small Family
    Guest
    My small Family

    we can all say its my personal lack of Eumunah, but I refuse to bring more then the 3 kids I have into this world and be forced to become a beggar to survive , I work a minimum 70 hrs. a week every week and as it is I pay 46,000 in tuition I cant and wont be tortured any further I cant bring kids into the world on a wink and a nod yes yes I know its a lack of emunah tell that to the tuition Board they apparently are exempt from having emunah to make their… Read more »

    עזרה מהמשלה
    Guest
    עזרה מהמשלה

    אפילו אם הממשלה בניו יורק. יעזור עם כסף הבעיה לא יפסיק דוגמא לזה לפני הרבה שנים הישיבות ובעיקר הסמנריים לבנות .
    בארץ היו לוקחיםלערך 8000 לשנה ועכשיו עם העזר שהורים מקבלים לפעמים מסכנות וכדומה המחיר עלה ל1200או אפילו יותר מזה
    צריכים לראות איך מוסדות חסידים אחרים בניו יורק עובדים וכמה ההורים משלמים שכר לימוד וללמוד מהם הדברים טובים איך לנהל המוסדות של קהילה

    Cincinnati
    Guest
    Cincinnati

    Our school gets government vouchers. Free tuition for many anash, shluchim and other frum students.

    The problem and the answer
    Guest
    The problem and the answer

    I like the approach of #42 – We must strengthen our BITACHON and it will make the “good” out come happen in our life and in our children’s chinuch! We will all have affordable, high quality chinuch. Who can argue with that. Part of the Bitachon process however necessitates making a vessel and doing some work according to a plan to bring down Hashem’s revealed brocha into the world. Bitachon includes action. Having said that, i am seeing many opinions above from an array of different people with very diff positions in the community and they are intensely arguing about… Read more »

    education above all
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    education above all

    #47 has it right. we must figure out how to restructure. Teachers SHOULD be better paid. that’s where the money should go. If our children had great education the other things wouldn’t matter…

    First look at where the money goes.
    Guest
    First look at where the money goes.

    I agree that there is a problem. But I think the problem is lack of transparency, not the amount that the school is charging.
    You can look around and see how many schools had to close because they couldn’t make it – they gave too many scholarships, the teachers refused to work for free for the fifth year in a row, they couldn’t pay their rent, etc.

    A little dan l’chaf zchut never hurt anyone…

    Yitzchok @ Mabbat
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    Yitzchok @ Mabbat

    The administrators are doing the best job they can under the circumstances that we don’t live in a wealthy community. I say to them thank you for trying, it’s a thankless job that no body else wants or could do better. The administrators have a very hard job and hear every sob story there is to hear around CH, broken homes, spousal abuse, poverty etc. Yet at the end of the day and after all the bellyaching written above, I don’t know of a single child that has been denied entry into OT or BR based on the inability to… Read more »

    Important consideration
    Guest
    Important consideration

    I worked for a while as a junior position in the administration of a school. I know work in an organization serving mostly none frum Jews. It is sad to say but we are in Galus and even the biggest chosid needs acalades for hard work. It is utterly discussting how unappreciative frum parents are to people who work so hard for them. If you are well known shliach or head of moised how will you be motivated to try and bring in the kind of money needed for a moised chinuch if this is the treatment you get. Not… Read more »

    Compare apples to apples
    Guest
    Compare apples to apples

    1. Other NYC large schools, like all the Chassidishe schools in Boro Park and Williamsburg will never make parents pay more than $2500 per child. Unlike Crown Heights large schools.

    2. You can’t compare small schools in Houston, TX to Crown Heights schools which have thousands of kids in them. Of course, it costs much less for a school to educate a child in a large school than in a little school in Texas. Crown heights schools have close to 30 kids per class / teacher.

    Rochel Lea
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    Rochel Lea

    To #44
    Not only 1 or 2 people are running the schools but also when it comes to the board, it’s so and so with his son, son-in-law, uncle or another family member.Just to make sure they will always have the upper hand. Have you ever heard : if you don’t have money you have no right to voice your opinion ? It was actually said at a Yeshiva Asifa.

    let's all bash bais rivkah time
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    let's all bash bais rivkah time

    Bais Rivkah by numbers, the school has more then 2000 children of which most are paying $500-2500 per child, which works out to $5mil at most, do you think you can run a school with 2000 kids for 5mil, NO that’s half the budget! so obviously they are getting in other money from the government and fund raising, so lets thanks them NOT bash them for what they do for the community. A big part of the answer can be found with the tzedakah that all families give out each year, one should not be giving tzedakah to enyone if… Read more »

    Very Simple
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    Very Simple

    Stop having large families.

    the problem is
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    the problem is

    that they tell us you are not allowed to get a proper education/college you have to sit in 770 till you get married and then when you have kids the mosdos want top dollar when your only making a meager a 30.000

    There has to be a middle way
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    There has to be a middle way

    Unless you have experienced panic at the thought that you can not buy groceries because you are completely out of funds, then you don’t know what it means to struggle financially. Many of the askonim involved in making decisions about tuition are from the upper middle class crust and therefore cannot understand the hell of working your butt off and not making ends meet. There has to be a middle way.

     The Rashag
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    The Rashag

    Let us not forget that the RASHAG a”h was the great fundraiser and that enabled all of the others in Lubavitcher yehiva to accept students at an affordable rate.

    tax the rich
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    tax the rich

    You need to impose a tax on all members of the community to support its educational institutions.

    FUNDRAISERS
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    FUNDRAISERS

    #36
    you are WRONG the only way is to hire FUNDRAISERS
    #44
    they all have FUNDRAISERS

    shame on mosdos
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    shame on mosdos

    shame on you for refusing even 1 kid based on lack of tuition.
    shame on you if you avoided even 1 kid of being born!

    A very big thank you!!!
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    A very big thank you!!!

    To the author for writing the op-Ed thereby generating so many comments which in turn reinforces the understandings and beliefs of suffering parents that they are not the “Only Ones” [as the Administrator say to us explicitly and try and have us believe] “Who are Being CARRIED By the School” The damage to the very fabric of family life which come as a result of the inordinate, im-proportional, unneccessary, and unproductive threats, pressure and plain simple harassment [YES HARRASEMANT for money’s they know they are simply not going to get in the end no matter what because we simple dont… Read more »

    # 78
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    # 78

    but that goes against what the torah and the rebbe wants

    reply to #5
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    reply to #5

    you are rude yes you need to have money to support a big family
    but some people try and make money not everybody has money grrowing on trees and u need to understand other ppl situation it does not mean cause u have the money and ur able to pay that everybody else can pay for it and ppl to go out there and try making money and yet they do not succeed so i hope this give u some pity on ppl and that u understand ppl situation and if u still dont u have a problom

    the rashag
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    the rashag

    We can see the great value the Rebbe put on having agood fundraiser for our yeshivos by the fact that The Rashag could very well be appointed by the Rebbe to be a great shliach but was instead fundraiser. It is high time that some of our vfery talented men who have talent in this area be used as fundraisewrs. That is a very important shlichus!

    to #86
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    to #86

    ליוסף יולד שני בנים בטרם תבוא שנת הרעב” ומביא רש”י דברי הגמ’ מס’ תענית (יא, א): “מכאן שאסור לאדם וכו’ בשני רעבון”

    If there is no money to pay for things it is considered a שני
    רעבון

    I work for a mosad
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    I work for a mosad

    and they have refused to give me a raise in 10 years. But for tuition I’m expected to fork over thousands and thousands of dollars without blinking an eye. I’m very sorry that you are under too much pressure to give me a raise, but where do you think my money is supposed to come from to pay all this tuition? YOU can take money from ME without hesitation and you know you’ll get it, but when I come knocking on YOUR door, well, you cry poverty and tell me that I should think about doing the Rebbe’s shlichus. Oh… Read more »

    @89
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    @89

    the *system* is too expensive.

    there is a viable solution:

    you can have large families,
    just teach them in small cheder groups or at home.

    kids are the biggest brachah.

    Rochel Lea
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    Rochel Lea

    People who work in our schools as fundraisers raise mainly for them. They use it to redo their house, pay the cleaning lady, their children needs and fantasy and they don’t pay tuition! Enough of their abuse also !

    to#86
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    to#86

    have offspring or produce more individuals of a given animal or plant.

    If had two or three offsprings you did multiply, no?

    Action
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    Action

    Great conversion but how do we actually change the system ?

    to #89
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    to #89

    we CAN afford the rest of our life expenses for our big familys.

    we need tuition control
    not birth control r’l

    you know what.

    i say home school all your kids, and have as many children as you can.

    The Rashag,
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    The Rashag,

    and other great Rabonim and great Minahalim

    were 100% of the time busy fundraising.

    it’s the only way our system can work.

    registration fees
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    registration fees

    to #66 My husband worked in the administration for a Mosad a while back (not the tuition committee) and he many times told me that the Registration fees are made up fees. It does not cost a secretary $500 in paperwork to re-register your child for the next year, nor that amount for a new students paperwork. Why don’t they take the students information from previous year and adjust any new info given by parents…With high tech computers nowadays it takes minutes to put in new info. The Registration fee is a crime! putting more pressure on already financially strapped… Read more »

    @94
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    @94

    19 kids is the way to go, thanks.

    SOLUTION:
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    SOLUTION:

    keep our kids out of the Big Schools, untill ……the schools get their fund raising act together again.

    schools should hire many capable fundraisers and give them enticing commissions.

    till then keep em home or in small learning groups.

    To #17
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    To #17

    Shluchim on Line school charges the most of all schools I have sent my kids too!!! They also have an easy way of “kicking your kid out of school” for not paying , it’s called “DELETE”!!!

    be grateful for what you have
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    be grateful for what you have

    if people agree the problem is they need to figure out how to get the goyim and less frum jews to pay for everything for them – then instead of being nasty (like the author of the article and everybody who has the whining theme), instead you should express gratitude for what you have, and what the givers have already given. I do not feel too inspired to give more money to charity, if the recipients are not grateful, and the recipients are suggesting the institution is corrupt, then why should i give charity to it??

    elki
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    elki

    I was a principal for many years, not in Crown Heights, but in a more affluent neighborhood. However, the tuition was much higher, so the problems were the same. B”H, I was not involved in finances, except to advocate for a girl who was not accepted because of lack of ability to pay tuition. There is a grave mistake, with painful and forbidden ramifications. It has been proven by those who know how to calculate these issues, that no yeshiva (boys or girls) can be run by tuition alone, even if everyone paid full tuition. The schools need better fund-raising… Read more »

    Children are a Bracha
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    Children are a Bracha

    We should be giving benefits to those who have MORE. So, how about $8,000 minumum total per family. If someone has 3+ children, then they benefit by having to pay less than $3,000 per child. If someone has 2 children – at $4,000 per child when grown in elementary, then both parents can work to pay the $8,000. When there are more children, it can remain at $8,000 because there are more expenses and this shows it’s a BRACHA to have large families. Le’s keep it positive! If all families earning less than $100,000 in most areas had to pay… Read more »

    Administrator of a reasonable and sympathetic mosad.
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    Administrator of a reasonable and sympathetic mosad.

    When I call parents and both are home at11 AM and kids in school do I have sympathy for their sob story? Get jobs and don’t be so fussy. We value and help the hard working families who do the best they can and don’t rely on handouts.

    to 91
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    to 91

    In CHICAGO they will NEVER LET YOU INTO A SCHOOL AGAIN IF YOU DO THAT!!!!!!
    blackmail and extortion!!
    Its a great idea, but they will HURT YOU

    Yeshivah's obligation.
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    Yeshivah's obligation.

    Yeshivah’s obligation is to accept all kids and get most of the money too.

    And not make parents into beggars while prying their last dimes out of their fists.

    Yeshivas are making hard working families dangerously poor.

    Parents cant run around raising funds for yeshivah, Yeshivah should hire go getters and get the money needed to run the Yeshivah.

    #95
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    #95

    We need better budgeting. As long as weddings, bar mitzvas and other extras eat up money (and expensive summer camps are the norm) you can’t expect to have money for tuition. There are also healthy ways to eat that do not involve a lot of meat or expensive fishes.
    Once you learn how to budget and spend within your means instead of spending money you don’t have, you will also have enough money to have lots of kids and pay for their schooling.

    with the old breed
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    with the old breed

    oh my I see so many comments when you hit the money. well I have to say. I took one of my sons out of lubavitch now he learns more chasidis then before, costs less and is more furm and is making a kiddish Chabad. The Rebbe said many times you have to have a misbia/Rav and you will get the Rebbes blessing. hey the world is a big place. One Torah, One Jewish People, One G-d. You all have more then one choice. There are many great chasids who never learned in a Lubavitch Yeshiva…All the very best to… Read more »

    Lack of higher education
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    Lack of higher education

    It seems that nobody realizes this, but this problem stems from overall poverty in the community. Instead of talking about fundraising and bashing all the schools, why not look at the root of the problem? Why is the community so poor? Because there is a lack of high school diplomas, no university education, and therefore barely any high-paying jobs available. I understand that some people may be able to make big money without a higher education, but it’s the exception- not the rule. It’s ridiculous that boys are taught to learn until the age of 23, then get married right… Read more »

    registration fees FYI
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    registration fees FYI

    One of my Balabatim was recently applying to various IVY LEAGUE universities for his son. Of course he had to pay a registration fee to each school with the application. Sure THEY must charge: they do not know u and they must have a full staff to look into each & every application AND they receive Thousands of these. SUPRIZE! U know how much they charge? It ranged from 70 to the most 200! And they have a legitimate reason to charge AND they don’t “owe u” anything!

    What changed? All the yeshivos used to have fundraiser, now they don't
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    What changed? All the yeshivos used to have fundraiser, now they don't

    The community has to fargin a fundraiser making a very very good salary and then go out there and get the funds needed. We need full time dedicated fundraisers to preserve the community. Very few people can afford full tuition if we have big families, like we should. Fundraisers are the answer. Of course, wealthy families in the community should be the first to give and give generously. But adminstrators have to stop humiliating people

    it IS YOUR problem
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    it IS YOUR problem

    no it is YOUR problem. u should have less kids or should have been better educated with English and COLLAGE and have a good job.

    ddefending the administrators?
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    ddefending the administrators?

    Their job is to run the school and budget. which means paying people who come to work every day…. their job is hard? they can’t? step down….How does the teacher who doesn’t get paid and pushes her landlord every month because she doesn’t have the rent money feel when she sees the administrator who is supposed to pay her living the high I have 3 girls in BR and because I BH can I pay nice tuition but the teacher that teaches my daughter hasn’t got paid in months!!!!!! IF you are administrator go out and collect money that is… Read more »

    become responsible
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    become responsible

    people have to realize what they can afford. If having more kids and adding more expenses hurts the family with fights & arguments & children seeing this, do u think your children would want to have a large family??? actually on the contrary. I see many children saying they will have a small family because the system is so corrupt & with no degree why would they want to repeat the mistake they seen before… children are a gift, they are NOT suppose to be a burden. its really sad when I hear parents talk in front of their kids… Read more »

    Facts of life
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    Facts of life

    Keep in mind, its the YESHIVAS who teach/brain wash that we must have many children, why? they need to secure future enrollment rates! Its a self serving cycle, preach that a bochur must get smicha or a girl must go to sem or ch”v they won’t find a goods shidduch, this way everyone is tripping over themselves to get in. Isn’t a shidduch bashert, from Day one? Did the REBBE ever say that a boy MUST get smicha? or a girl MUST go to sem? if they do not, does that mean that they are not frum? or good? or… Read more »

    ULY Crown Street Board
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    ULY Crown Street Board

    I was petrified at the prospect of being unable to send my children to Yeshiva due to the high cost of tuition and the new board at ULY Crown street, my Wife and I were literally in a panic, but I got the most pleasant surprise, after emailing the board my income and expenses, they accepted what I said I can pay, the only caveat was that most of my Maser Money should be given to them, which I thought was very reasonable. They Accepted my low offer and they did not take away my dignity, I owe the board… Read more »

    it starts from administrators
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    it starts from administrators

    I’ve heard first hand from a very popular school in ch, the parent couldn’t afford the tuition and the administration said to go to public school or don’t have kids!!!!!!IT all starts from the administrators they DO NOT practice what they preach, I refuse to send my child to that school I think that was disgusting to say to a parent!

    if tuition covers so little...
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    if tuition covers so little...

    Why are we charged so much? Several administrators here have said tuition barely covers anything, so why be so harsh? How about you set your price at $3000 a kid per year? No more than a handful of scholarships for those who cannot afford even that.

    I’d be happy to give donations in excess. But now that I’m being squeezed for every penny, I just don’t see the need to give anything extra–not money, not time.

    to#103
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    to#103

    That’s an incentive disguised as something else.

    @101
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    @101

    “if people agree the problem is they need to figure out how to get the goyim and less frum jews to pay for everything for them”

    That seems to be a problem.

    Vouchers! vouchers! vouchers!
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    Vouchers! vouchers! vouchers!

    Tuition is probably the biggest issue facing the frum crowd. Not just in CH. The best (and possibly only) solution is government vouchers. We should make that the #1 issue in choosing who the frum crowd endorses for mayor, governor, senator, congress etc! We’re already paying for education (public school) in our taxes. We should demand some of it back for our OWN children!!!

    to#104
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    to#104

    Is that a common occurrence?

    full tuition
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    full tuition

    full tuition for 9 kids is basically ur lifes savings. just b/c some ppl are not shluchim doesnt mean they need to pay in full.. this is what some schools just dont GETTT

    C.B.
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    C.B.

    There’s truth to both sides of the argument. Kicking a kid out of school because the parents can’t afford to pay, does mean there is nowhere for the child to go, but with expenses as high as they are for Yeshivos, other than fundraising, what else can be done? At the same time, not every parent has the tools to just sit back calmly when they don’t know where they will get the money to pay tuition for each child. Criticizing those parents, and putting more pressure on them, is not fair.

    Tuition is just the start ...
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    Tuition is just the start ...

    Building fees, registration fees, book fees, mandatory school dinner tickets, the list goes on and on. I’d like to see some honesty on the part of the schools, send me single bill with a real price, without bogus extras.

    i agree w the corruption
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    i agree w the corruption

    Where dz all the money go in b.r.no gets a raise and the teachers r not paid from pesach..how r they supposed to live..but the tuition for their girls go higher Hanhala knowing their salary…ii wanted to pay a teacher directly..they wldnt let..there r those selected that get a g:ood salary and on time they don’t seem to b struggling but they r selected

    #20 bizarre
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    #20 bizarre

    So you’re saying the school needs to fundraise (or teachers accept less money) so you could go on vacation and restaurants?

    Just a Thought.......
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    Just a Thought.......

    I think the community should have a chinuch board. Every family registers with this board not with the individual schools that way the whole family is accounted for, from day care to elementary schools to high schools, yeshivas etc. The board respectfully decides with the parents how much they can afford to educate the children .The board will then give each school a set amount of money for each student. That way no one feels “less important”.It saves the school the headache of registration and if every child is “worth” the same amount to the school it might help in… Read more »

    reply to #123
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    reply to #123

    What does being a shliach have to do with it??? We pay tuition too! An administrator once told us” you dont have? too bad ! Go Fund raise some more!” First of all not all Shluchim are fundraisers. Second, do you have any idea how much dorms, airline tickets + luggage and taxis cost?? what about personal needs that cost so much more when u are not home??? Being a shliach has nothing to do with this!

    Collage
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    Collage

    To 112 so you think making some kind of collage(
    1.
    a technique of composing a work of art by pasting on a single surface various materials not normally associated with one another, as newspaper clippings, parts of photographs, theater tickets, and fragments of an envelope.) will pay the BEFORE YOU CONDEMN OTHERS! LEARN HOW TO SPELL.

    Beautifully respectful!
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    Beautifully respectful!

    I read this whole thread and sense a tremendous amount of genuine frustration. Yet thankfully everyone refrained from mentioning specific names – with 2 exceptions: Rabbi Bogomilsky and Rabbi Shemtov, and both of those in a positive way. Ashreinu for the wonderful respectful readers of COL. Yasher Koach!

    #128
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    #128

    Interesting concept.

    to 109 & 112 et all
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    to 109 & 112 et all

    I’m sorry to say that you’re not addressing the issue at hand. The average household income in the United States in 2012 was $50,502 according to the US census bureau (people with secular education and high school diplomas etc). The likelihood is that most CH families are earning that amount. Even if the average CH family made 50% more than the average ($75k), it still wouldn’t make a dent in the problem if we have big families. The solution is reducing the price to the parents either through fundraising, lowering cost or government assistance (vouchers or whatever). Let’s stay focused… Read more »

    I appreciate #67's honesty
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    I appreciate #67's honesty

    and i too wish i had more emunah in these matters.Interestingly in the city where I live,the head shaliach’s huge extended family had gone to school for free for years.I suspect this is the case in many places.I guess I’d have emunah in that situation too.

    costs of life
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    costs of life

    How about the $20,000 cost of seminary and shortly after, a year or two later, you are spending thousands more to marry off your daughter….that’s just one child in a big family to take care of. We have to start now to instill in the parents with young children that although Chinuch Al Taharas Hakodesh is priority #1, they have to set some goals for their children to aim for higher scholastic education in a Frum setting to enable them to get good Jobs to support their families. The era of Shlichus opportunities for everyone is gone. We need more… Read more »

    August
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    August

    If I not mistaken last year somebody posted similar letter. The problem is that nothing changed. But I agree with many, you shouldn’t call them Romans, its 100% Pharo.

    Reality check
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    Reality check

    In a functioning community, there should be people trained for different positions in chinuch, kashrus, rabanim etc. Those people should be supported well by the rest of the community that work professional or regular jobs. Unfortunately there are people who for whatever reason need help as well. The problem comes in when only 10% of the community is willing or able to do so. We live in a society that many people believe they deserve to dress their kids in designer clothing. Buy the best furniture and eat out and travel whenever life gets tough or just in the mood.… Read more »

    Look how lucky you are
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    Look how lucky you are

    It’s so interesting to read all of the comments. Most of you obviously have no idea how much it costs to raise a child and give them even a mediocre education. The administrators and hanhaloh are not taking any extra money to pay of their own vacations etc., they might be taking their salary and budgeting well. Should the administrators and hanhaloh have more me sodas nefesh than you and subsidise your children’s education? It is al about choices. You choose to have more children then you need to expect that you will work like a rag but you can’t… Read more »

    Out of town administrator
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    Out of town administrator

    There is no hidden agenda with what the school charges. My community need not donate to my school so your out-of-town children can come here. Your out of town community should donate on your behalf. And if you yell poverty, stop asking me for all these extras which your children want, which I don’t even provide to my own family- special foods, special trips, special tutoring, etc. It is a difficulty to pay for schooling, and it is a difficulty to pay for simchas, but I don’t hear that you are storming the caterers and catering halls, the printers, the… Read more »

    to #47
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    to #47

    Yes, I actually would prefer to buy books myself rather than pay these crazy book fees. My second and third son/daughter can use the same gemoro/chumash/whatever that my older son/daughter used!

    MR CANE BAKODESH
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    MR CANE BAKODESH

    #138

    THE DEBATE IS NOT ABOUT PAYING FOR MEDIOCRE EDUCATION KLOTZ HEAD, THE DEBATE IS ABOUT MEDIOCRE TEACHERS WHO FOOL THEMSELVES, THE HANHOLOS THEY WORK FOR, AND THOSE THEY TEACH, THAT THEY CAN TEACH. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE THE GUTS TO TELL THEM……THEY CANT AND THEY NEVER WILL, WHAT THE HECK ARE WE PAYING FOR…JUST BECAUSE SOME TEACHER’S ZEIDER WAS A WAGON DRIVER, MILK CARRIER, OR PISHT IN NEVEL THAT MAKES HIM QUALIFIED??THEY ARE A TOTAL WASTE OF SPACE!!!! WE NEED STATE QUALIFIED MECHANCHIM PREFERABLY WITH TEACHING DIPLOMAS FROM RECOGNISED ACADEMIES……..NOT JUST TEACHING NIGUNIM AND TELLING STORIES!!!!

    BERNIE MADOFF
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    BERNIE MADOFF

    $20,000 FOR SEMINARY
    $18,000 FOR ZAL???
    $10,000 FOR MESIVTAS????
    PLUS THE SHIRT OFF YOUR BACK????
    SOUNDS LIKE A VERY VERY BIG PONZI SCHEME TO ME

    Family Planning
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    Family Planning

    No wonder you see some Crown Heights young couples limiting their family size!

    children are brochos
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    children are brochos

    But sadly the schools act as the best deterrent to large families… I understand that they need money and will do everything to get it , even take away your food, but if they can just do it in a nice way, an understanding way, not in a mean way. I feel like they’re choking me. The way they talk is so nasty, I find it a real pitty that we as parents should have such a negative feeling about the schools were our kids learn ( we are supposed to pretend that its the best school in town, and… Read more »

    Att: administrators
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    Att: administrators

    One question Is it right to embarrass a student cuz the parents couldnt’t afford to pay the tuition. How would you like it if one of your kids would be embarrassed. There has to be a better way.

    corruption
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    corruption

    The people who run the school should stop being overly greedy and starting working fund raising and stop harassing parents. In my community, the clowns that run the school live in mansions, have 2 houses as an investment and live a ‘melech basade’ whereas the parents that pay tuition can barely keep their head above the water. I just found out that these guys have an incentive to collect more tuition as they are being compensated for that through a bonus and such, how fair is that? At the same time, half the teachers don’t get paid, and sadly enough… Read more »

    its a segulah
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    its a segulah

    to pay as much tuition that you can and some more….to raise good kids and for parnash!!!!!!!!!!!!Hashem give you what you need and show him that you will spend it correctly when he sends it..

    To #97
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    To #97

    You got it right on the money! I think all of those “registration fees”, go to paying shluchim’s kid’s tuition/teachers tuition. Its all made up!! It is a crime, they are robbing people left and right this has to stop! no more registration fees!!!

    Why do we have to buy the books?
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    Why do we have to buy the books?

    With all of these book rental websites, I would gladly rent books for my children, cover them with plastic (for the older children), It would save us so much money! I actually rent my college books online and would love to start a website for frum parents who don’t want to spend crazy amounts!

    TO # 77
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    TO # 77

    EVERYONE IS OBLIGATED TO DO THE MITZVAH OF TZEDAKA WHATEVER HE COULD AFORD AND ITS THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE YOU GET SO IT DOSNT MAKE SCENCE TO SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE LOSING OUT J FROM GIVING TZEDAKA BECAUSE HASHEM SET IT TO BE THAT YOU NEVER LOSE OUT BY HELPING SOMEONE AND YOU CAN ONLY GAIN BY THAT. SOMETIMES WE DON’T SEE THIS RIGHT AWAY AND SOMETIMES HASHEM DOES GIVE US BACK MORE IN A WAY THAT WE DON’T REALIZE IT BUT WE’VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT IF HASHEM SAID THIS IS THE WAY ITS MEANT… Read more »

    To #77
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    To #77

    Bash Beis Rivkah time!
    If that money was being used to pay the teachers, Dayenu

    141
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    141

    Usually when posts revert to name calling etc., it ceases to become a discussion and becomes a childish squabble. Maybe you need to reread what was written and recognise that cheap private schools start at $15k so you can’t ask to pay $4k and also expect the same quality of education.

    A single guy.
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    A single guy.

    Hi I read what you wrote and all the comments and honestly tuition even as a single guy is very scary. Any one that thinks that tuition is not causing couples to have less kids is delusional. If you work on the books and have a bunch of kids the costs are crazy. Oh how do you know about high tuition costs you ask? You are a single guy with out any real responsibilities? Because my father is one of the guys so many of you are writing about in you comments he has emuna and he sent us to… Read more »

    115.
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    115.

    Spot on you hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It's everywhere
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    It's everywhere

    Same problem here in Montreal.

    just saw this from onlinesmicha
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    just saw this from onlinesmicha
    Citizen Berel
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    Citizen Berel

    Enough. We have as many children as we can because we are alive. We have as many children as we can because that is the expression of our eternal Jewish presence. We have as many children as we can and if G-d decides that they not go to cheder or to yeshiva or seminary — then so be it. We are not G-d. We have as many Jewish children as we can and if we have to all sleep in a one room apt or two room apartment split between two families — then we do it. We are not… Read more »

    Response, Citizen Berel
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    Response, Citizen Berel

    What kind of living is that to have the whole family live in one room.

    “We have as many children as we can and if that means that the boys will be drowned in the nile and the girls raised as goyim then we do it ”

    ^ You don’t see anything wrong with that?

    agree with #61
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    agree with #61

    Parents need to have many children, raise them to be chassidim,
    like the Rebbe wants.

    Schools need to Take in many children, educate them and fund raise from world jewry, like the Rebbe wants.

    Together we will raise a generation of chassidim,
    like the Rebbe wants.

    it’s the only way

    Admins:
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    Admins:

    Admins need accept all kids and get most of the money too.

    And not make parents into beggars.

    Absurd complaints
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    Absurd complaints

    The complaints here are absurd. It is extremely expensive to operate a school these days (teacher salaries, facilities that pass government code, books, utilities, maintenance, insurance, mortgage/rent etc etc). Yet somehow parents are demanding that the SCHOOL should be responsible to raise the money to educate YOUR children. It’s absurd. It’s true that schools should (and do) fundraise, But that doesn’t give a parent the right to DEMAND it from the school. At the very least, be thankful for any discount they are able to offer. Each parent should be responsible to figure out how to cover the costs of… Read more »

    #153 single guy--write an op ed!
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    #153 single guy--write an op ed!

    You should write a piece on your perspective. Write about what you went through as a result of your parents’ situation.

    Citizen Berel
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    Citizen Berel

    re: #158 What type of life depends essentially on external comforts. Not Yiddish lives. We are essential…aztmiim…which means we justify our own existence. Jewish life imposes itself on the world–conquers the world if you will–Jewish life is not a product of world, so what ever worldly factors you remove, Jewish life persists. Jewish life is prime, consisting in only itself and the one. It’s more than ironic that though no Yid can ever be convinced of this perception, this truth is at the core of every yid. You just have to dig deep enough. We all need to learn more… Read more »

    Beware of "vouchers"
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    Beware of "vouchers"

    Vouchers sound so compelling, the government gives us some of our tax money back, and we get to use it for our own schools instead of funding public education.

    Legalities and political hurdles aside, this will become a case of “careful what you wish for”. As soon as you take state funds you are inviting the state to dictate how those funds are used. Be it core curriculum, standardized testing, minimum number of hours on specific subjects, and more.Not that all of those are necessarily bad things, but they need to be thought through.

    small private groups
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    small private groups

    Any thoughts on Small private groups
    Just an idea: close the schools and start smaller private groups– meaning 10 kids and one rebbe at people’s houses
    No overhead for big school building, insurance, administrators
    PROS/ CONS???? Ideas on this???
    seems like a good solution to me
    kids could meet once a week together or for recess every day!!

    Really?
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    Really?

    I was going to respond to Citizen Berel. But I rather email said person.

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    i completely agree. home schooling is the way to go. much cheaper, less kids in a class means more individualized attention, once kids learn how to read they can basically teach themselves and the rebbe/parent acts more as a supervisor. just enroll your kid in some extracurricular activity to make sure they have some friends and you’re good to go. seriously, homeschooling is not as scary as people think it is, i urge everyone to do the research, its a very affordable viable option.

    Bottom Line - my two cents
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    Bottom Line - my two cents

    The problem is more in Lubavitch than any other community because Lubavitch has the most Moisdos. In the old days, you had professional fundraisers and highly successful ones like the Rashag and Rabbi Yosef Wineberg who were focusing on fundraising for Lubavitch Yeshivos. Today it is so hard to fundraise because of the exponential growth of Moisdos. It is my conclusion that the fundraisers of the schools have made the conscious decision that it is easier to “raise” the money from the parents than to fund-raise aggressively. And they are right! It is easier. Recently, I spoke to a fundraiser… Read more »

    tO #161
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    tO #161

    YOU SOUND VERY FAMILIAR! You sound too much like the administrator I know who (he or his registar) clearly said to a parent (BaaleiTshuva) that “they should have thought about this before they had children!”. In other words “it’s not our problem”… it’s not their concern. Now tell me, how can someone like that be running a Moisad which carries the name Chabad, thus it represents The Rebbe? Wasn’t the Rebbe the one who was and had us be concerned about each and every Yid. Kal Vachomer to a fellow Chosid and moreover a Baal Teshuva whom Chabad was Mekarev… Read more »

    153 and 162.
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    153 and 162.

    Yes i agree write a piece show people whats it is like as a boucher in that situation.

    learning from satmar
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    learning from satmar

    Maybe if we could acknowledge the other chassidic groups in Brooklyn, they could share some of their resources, like b&h owners, and their many other successful business people.

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    You are 100% correct but only half way. Everything you wrote is about how the administration should behave. And for that you are correct. My point however is that parents do not have the right to demand that the school should be OBLIGATED to raise (or lose) money to be able to educate YOUR children. If you can’t pay, then try to work something out. Ask for a discount. Of course. Offer to volunteer or something. But you can’t demand that it’s the school’s responsibility to pay to educate your children. FYI I am not part of any school or… Read more »

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    to the author

    Brilliant article. Thank you.

    just 1 question
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    just 1 question

    I see plenty of commentators advocating a 1900s “cheder” type of school setting where you would have around 10 children learning in someone’s house, etc. Obviously they would need a teacher, who should be getting a salary s/he can live off of – let’s say $50-60K a year (I don’t know the actual numbers). So basically, every parent would have to pay the teacher $5-6K per child…I don’t see how this is economical, as most people are only paying $3,000 a year or less per child

    i dont understand!
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    i dont understand!

    if the pearents dont pay then who should?

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    Which teacher gets that kind of salary? I get the equivalent of $10k a year – it’s true I only work half day but that’s nothing like the kind of salary your’e talking about! It’s true I’m a woman but these days we also have to be the breadwinner and should get a more respectable pay!!! Especially when parents are being asked to pay so much…. at least give the women teachers a normal pay wage!

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    I must say reading your article is showing who you really are and that you just want want and want some more without understanding the sacrifice others are doing to EDUCATE YOUR children that YOU created. And if you feel so strongly about what you write why not sign your name to the your article…… I hope which ever school your children go to they do a better job in education your children then was done on you. you seem very ungrateful…….

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    either you have no problem being made to feel like a begger which I dont believe, or you are very wealthy… either way you have no right to make such comments to people who are suffering with abuse year after year! An individual parent does not have the obligation .. it’s the resposibility of the community as a whole..ie. answer is good fundraisers. STOP blaming the parents!

    Pittsburgh
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    Pittsburgh

    The Lubavitch yeshiva in Pittsburgh is a very special place. They will NEVER turn away a frum child from getting a Jewish education. I would say more than 70% of the school is not paying full tuition, and there are families that dont pay any, yet the community and schools step up to help pay for them to go to a Chabad school. The teachers get paid on time, and the school is growing every year. However they are pulling this off, they are doing it right.

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