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The Splintering of Crown Heights

Op-Ed: By creating sub-communities and shuls in Crown Heights, we have created a means to falsely identify one another, and added to the general splintering beyond major political issues at the top. Full Story

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expand 770
January 26, 2012 1:49 pm

wasn’t there a plan to expand it till union?

Boruch N. Hoffinger BS"D
January 26, 2012 1:34 pm

Dear Yeshoshua Werde …a very interesting and thought-provoking article. I see some comments compare this to the 12 tunnels, pathways that the Jews used during ‘Krias Yam Suf’ indicating that there are many types of personalities/souls amongst ‘Yidden. This might lead to different pathways.’ But you did not say this…those expatriates were all dedicated to observing the ‘Taryag Mitzvot’ with all their hearts and souls. Comment #2 is a good example of ‘Ambushing’ a Jew and a fractured mentality. The commenter leaves no name but enjoys attacking and maligning his fellow Jew/Jewess. By glibly saying there are: “Normal Lubavitchers vs… Read more »

YESHUS --- THE MACHLOH BEHIND EVEYTHING
January 26, 2012 10:51 am

very good article that makes much sense.However,the facts on the ground are such,that it is what it is… for some strange reason (independance),having zaydeh sitting with tattie with ainekel under the same roof in a shule ,is not seen as a supreme value,though that’s the way it has always been by haymishe yidden for generations and generations — today,a meshugas,the frumies minyan,the carlbach minyan,the bikies minyan,the hot/cool/warm minyan etc.etc….on every street corner theres a somebody screaming that no one understands punkt him….. for some reason, in the old days, all the diversity in the world did not demand another minyan… Read more »

get a life
January 25, 2012 9:41 pm

people don’t trim their beard because they daven in this or that shull the reasons they trim is their own issues waht ever they may be however the new shuls in the community is a positive thing it’s becon of light in this time of darkness when we cant see the rebbe . the shull’s have scedule of shiurim, farbrengens,programs for children etc. it’s quiet obvius that these shulen are the selution not the cause of the of the problems for some reason beyond my comprehension wenevr somone does somthing good there are people cmplaining about it .

Tohu and Tikkun
January 25, 2012 4:33 pm

Tohu is where differences divide, each goes their own way. Tikun is where all work together for a common goal, while retaining their individuality.

#37
January 25, 2012 3:26 pm

After reading a few of these articles, I realize that there is no point in interjecting with these comments, because they never get the full picture of any article. And if they did, they wouldn’t comment in a way that seems to always be saying something different then the article posted. Most people that read these articles are in such a rush to get to the end of it and post a comment, that they won’t even take the time to look up a word written that they have never heard of before, like “dissonance”. Maybe I’ll write an op-ed… Read more »

ANONYMOUS
January 25, 2012 10:22 am

TO #8
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE NUMBER OF SHULS IN THE AREA. THE PROBLEM IS THE CHABAD IDENTITY WHICH HAS BEEN FOR SO LONG STANDING FOR SO MANY GENERATIONS IS BEING LOST. WHEN CARRYING THE BANNER OF CHABAD, YOU ARE NO LONGER AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU ARE PART OF SOMETHING AND YOU MUST ADHERE TO ITS MINHAGIM OR YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL .

I never comment but I must interject
January 25, 2012 10:01 am

Nobody commenting here read and understood the article. Please read it again. Most comments were written after reading the title.

Let me interject just one point
January 25, 2012 5:28 am

Though it may sound trite, TEACH YOUR CHILDREN BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS AND THEN YOU CAN SUCCEED WITH . . . I can find no better answer than a call for us to come together as individuals. If we focus on our relationships with one another – then we’ll be able to grow as whole.

Without training your children by your own behavior you are just like every Jew out there who believes in unity but can’t stand “those types.”

confused
January 25, 2012 3:32 am

also isn’t the besh”T also a new shul/center? Not saying it’s bad just a bit confused

confused
January 25, 2012 3:26 am

The Rebbe encouraged people to develop individual shuls in CH. Bepashtus it is healthier and more haimish to be part of a small kehillah where you have a rov who cares and friends you daven with and you actually get an aliya once in a while. In 770 the place is hefker, nobody watches their kids and it doesn’t have the sense of intimate community. If there are not such shuls that is a different issue

Shepherd
January 25, 2012 2:06 am

When sheep are lost they don’t all go in the same direction.

Same with goats. Except that goats have a central group which stubbornly adheres to continuing in what they perceive as being the same direction.

The newborn of sheep and goats have an uncanny knack of knowing that their parents are lost. So they frolic in the sun.

THIS IS THE KEY
January 25, 2012 1:32 am

Rabbi Werde is a genius! Ever since 3 Tammuz, the centrality of our community under the Rebbe has split into factions. Recall.. these Kapporos vs Those Kapporos; this summer camp vs the other; these Rabbonim vs those, etc., etc. And the same goes for Shuls….each with its own special flavor & spice, but not necessarily with the aroma of “Chabad Chassidus” permeating the atmosphere. I think the author has it right. While there have always been Individual Shuls in CH, they had been located on different streets for convenience, but not by design. The daveners felt a brotherly connection by… Read more »

You're never going to get everyone together
January 25, 2012 12:43 am

Firstly, there are thousands of people and no one can be friends with everybody. But there can be courteousness and patience and judging favorably or not judging at all, certainly not urging people to do things they aren’t interested in, which is bad to do, not good. I’ve always started these discussions with the super observant people. Some of them, perhaps many of them, don’t want to be close with people who have problems in Judaism. They look down on them instead of caring about them, befriending them, and learning with them. They just pick friends who are also strong,… Read more »

top down
January 24, 2012 11:28 pm

the new shuls and mini communities are a direct byproduct of the old shuls and old mini communities being run by the few for the benefit of the few, people have simply had enought

dear number 18
January 24, 2012 11:09 pm

well said. this is a very opportune time, as mr obama spreads his food-stamps, equality, socialist message through his state of the union. he doesn’t realize, as does not the writer of this op-ed, that forcing people together is not health for anyone’s growth, particularly for the weaker element of society. how i wish your vision should be realized. especially for the more modern crowd. the logic is simple: if they get together and form a school, they will stop being backseat drivers, complaining and lowering the standards. it will be up to them to decide what do they really… Read more »

12 tribes
January 24, 2012 10:53 pm

Yes, and each one tried to enhance yiddishkeit, not a tribe that he can ‘undermine’ yiddishkeit under his mask.

nice point
January 24, 2012 10:19 pm

nice article but may i quote you:
“Forming such tribes …”
didn’t the yidden go thru the yam suf in the 12 sections of the 12 tribes? Perhaps recognizing- and accepting -each others differences is commendable.

Truth said
January 24, 2012 10:18 pm

To number 18 i am all for your idea. Lets segregate all the different types in our community. This ways their antics wont be able to have negative effects on us all

The eyes of the beholder
January 24, 2012 9:31 pm

I can tell you that there were always different background groups in CH. There were Polisher Chabad, Russian Chabad and American Chabad. Ones with beards and ones without. and there were different hashkofos amongst chabad.

By you bringing this to the surface is what brigs divides.

These divides are all in the eyes of the beholder who wishes to see them. If you do, SHAME ON YOU!

boundaries
January 24, 2012 8:45 pm

great points. my concern is that these kids who are making their changes, are looking to add numbers to their groups. Last week we had friends (newcomers, not yet Torah observant) come for Shabbos. On their way off the train, they stopped at a store to buy us a gift. A girl who introduced herself as Chaya approached them and spoke to them. The woman, our guest, had a son about 20 yrs old, a nice looking, clean cut boy….not at all affiliated yet. She made friendly conversation with them, and then made it clear that there was nice social… Read more »

Back to basics
January 24, 2012 8:34 pm

While the article is well written, and seems to express the concerns of some, it is important to realise that uforutztoh, and outreach work needs to be done in our own “backyard”, as well. There are many disillusioned youth, and they could be sometimes justified, simply because they are exposed to some of the nonsense and unacceptable behavious that goes on here by various “groups” of people. They get turned off ! May those who can, begin to communicate constructively, bedarkei no’am ubedarkei sholom, with the the type of individuals that Yehoshua is referring to, and hopefully, IY”H these questions… Read more »

SO TRUE ITS SO SAD!
January 24, 2012 8:30 pm

I wish everyone well and hope you all find happiness and love for yourselves and your fellow jews AND THEN MOSHIACH MIGHT START SHOOTING OVER MUCH FASTER!

To #10
January 24, 2012 8:22 pm

Who is rabbi Dovvi Gopin?

To #10
January 24, 2012 7:40 pm

You missed the point that rabbi werde tried bringing out and eventhough rabbi Dovvi Gopin is the shmerel reitblat of our generation you took his quote out of context. I wish rabbi werde much success

Mr. 18
January 24, 2012 7:33 pm

brilliant!

wrong
January 24, 2012 6:59 pm

the splitting is good. finally, people are being who they really want to be. its about time the modern element begins to realise that they cannot go on hiding behind the three chassidisher yidden they know. if they want to be considered as chassidim, they will have to live up to it. same goes for the other team. the time has come for people to stop forcing standards on others. if you will let them develop themselves, they will come around. the competition is healthy, and the opportunity for growth is endless. this is america, where capitalism is individualism, and… Read more »

Both right and wrong
January 24, 2012 6:52 pm

It is true that we have to be more open minded towards others and view others, with their differences as our own.
However, with this we must recognize that we all need different styes of programs and sub-communities, as the community is larger and cannot cater to the individual as a smaller sub communal network can do and does successfully. This is not a problem. The problem is the negative attitude to ‘others’.

No kidding
January 24, 2012 6:52 pm

This has been a problem for a long time. At least people have these sub-cultures to fall back on and not feel like freaks that stand out. We need Mashiach.

The bottom line
January 24, 2012 6:45 pm

The bottom line is simply to care for another person unconditionally.

asking for ahavas yisroel?
January 24, 2012 6:22 pm

yup! we got a Shul for that too! 🙂

TheRealJoe
January 24, 2012 6:16 pm

What he says is true however there where always many shul’s in CH for better or worse we aren’t New SQ which is famous for only having 1 shul we simply need MOSHIACH to come ASAP

Kivi mettle
January 24, 2012 6:13 pm

I love rabbi werde and I really hope he succeeds at unsplintering crown heights yasher koach rabbi

Mendoza
January 24, 2012 6:10 pm

Reb werdi what do expect ? they won’t build 770 larger Like s b drizain wanted to . So we have no choice but build a lot of small Shuls . And with who should we do it with our not such close friends? or with people we don’t know ?
I am very happy to daven in cay ! I even got some of my friends out of bed to come to shull ! And I even started a Tanya sheiur b/4 Davening
The Rebba said make a good change for Torah and chasiduss

Good idea but how can we implement it
January 24, 2012 6:10 pm

I wish rabbi wierde a tremendous yasher koach. However I do feel that his proposition is a bit farfetched case in point in Dovvi gopins book on making stronger communities he writes that having tightnet groups is not such a big issue the main issue is the leaders of the general community I do hope his plan works though we at the JEM center wish rabbi werde the best of luck

Kein Yir-beh
January 24, 2012 6:00 pm

Like all communities, Crown Heights is B”H growing. And like many communities there are divisions, by choice or by chance, two of this and three of that.

However, we MUST come to realization, (if not for our sake then for the sake of our children), the Baise Din and the Rebbes Maazkirus, is to be respected by all and by any means necessary.

Now, how we get the Maazkirus and the Raabonim, to respect each other, is for another day…….

What a stupid article
January 24, 2012 5:37 pm

Every large jewish community has lots of little shuls. this is how it’s supposed to be. Only in places like New Square do you have thousands praying in one shul.

Just be machshiv torah
January 24, 2012 5:31 pm

Our commonality can easily be achieved by being machshiv torah. The Litvish have been doing so for years successfully! If we are all machshiv torah, we are automatically united with a common value and goal. A bonus is that we appreciate those who are marbitz torah which improves the chinuch levels and the rabbonim in the community and It strengthens all mossdos hatorah in our community.

Ahavas Yisroel
January 24, 2012 5:16 pm

Years ago the Rebbe put out a Kutras Ahavas Yisroel i know of one community mashpia who went door to door to spread the message.This is real issue and i do not think there is much can be done to solve it. It also commes back to respect and are you in a freindship for a reason,IE to gain something. I know of one elder chosid who put to me the new Ahavas Yisroel of Lubavitch is what can you do for me and not the opposit. Mean while pure Ahavas Yisroel and no rejection will change the way things… Read more »

Finally!
January 24, 2012 5:05 pm

Someone who is able to put his name on an op-ed!!! Thank you R. Werde!

Confused
January 24, 2012 4:56 pm

I’m confused. Isn’t The Besht guilty of the same? Look how many of our own have been saved because of the diversity of what our CommUNITY has to offer. We are individualists. Not cookie-cutter Chassidim. No system is perfect. The real key is to have the right Mashpi’im in every Shul.

Finally! A man with a solution. Let's start small Chevreh!
January 24, 2012 4:39 pm

My fellow readers, is this one small step too much to ask? It’s a fantastic way to make significant change. At this years shuchim convention each shliach was asked to reach out to another who they did not know and to extend their network of chaveirim.

Shkoich Rabbi Werde

so many Splinters
January 24, 2012 4:37 pm

we already have:

Normal Lubavitchers vs Moshiachisten
Normal Anash vs Modern trimed beards Anash
Geza vs Ballei Teshuva

etc etc

very simple
January 24, 2012 4:33 pm

just have true ahavas yisroel as practiced by our Rebbeim

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