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    The Rebbe’s View on Vaccinations

    9 excerpts from the letters and talks in which the Rebbe clearly discusses the debated subject of vaccinating children. Full Story, Audio

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    THE INGREDIENTS LIST
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    THE INGREDIENTS LIST

    unfortunately the ingredients List on many are terrible…
    HEAVY metals such as LEAD and MERCURY.

    Sources
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    Sources

    This article would be so much more powerful if you would bring the sources

    Not sure about this...
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    Not sure about this...

    While I am impressed that someone put the time to put this article together, there some flaws in the writers argument. The rebbe’s answers for an individual Is NOT an answer for a Klal. If someone is asking the rebbe’s advice now a days by the Ohel or letters and gets a response of the above then that is a direct answer for that individual. the writter is also assuming that if a parent decides to not vaccinate then they haven’t done any research… In number 4 it quotes the rebbe’s that one should make sure the vaccines are safe… Read more »

    Things have changed
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    Things have changed

    In the time of the Rebbes advice the amount of vaccinations taken at the same time was much less. Now many vaccinations are given at once with the risk of overwhelming the immune system. So at least the vaccinations need to be spaced more.
    also the preservatives are toxic.

    To number one
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    To number one

    The rebbe says do it then we do it !!!

    Keep your self made up stuff to yourself

    This is the tell u what the rebbe clearly held

    Poorly written
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    Poorly written

    No sources, paragraphs taken out of context, and the writer took the liberty of highlighting his own opinion in the Rebbe’s words.
    Please try again and this time be objective.

    Found the source
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    Found the source

    In lekuti sichos vol 36 page 332 you can find a few letters of the rebbe about giving shots. The rebbe makes it very clear that if you have better choices you should choose the better one. And in another letter there the rebbe says that shots should only be given if one can be sure and prove it is not from a dangerous or harmful ingredients. Today we all know how harmful shots are, and can be. And how much he doctors gain financially from giving you shots and how much they did not learn about it. Don’t be… Read more »

    Pharmaceutical companies
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    Pharmaceutical companies

    The Pharmaceutical companies influence the training of traditional Doctors, that they prescribe patients with things that will benefit the companies, hence the need to ask a second opinion from a Doctor who is a family friend who is aware of this.

    Rabbi
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    Rabbi

    Wach the video

    To Number 5
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    To Number 5

    The said to check the ingredients and only use from the best companies, and who says you need to take so many vaccinations at the same time. This was not done years ago.

    Do Your Own Research
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    Do Your Own Research

    The Rebbe said the manufacturer and the ingredients of the vaccine should be reliable. Unfortunately many vaccines are not tested for safety especially on pregnant women and yet people “trust their doctor”. Doctors learn what they are taught in medical school – not much about vaccines or their ingredients Bec the medical system is backed up by pharma! The government hides a lot of information from us just to make more money. Do your own research. Watch “The Truth About Vaccines,” and after you become more informed, make your own choice.

    re 4:
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    re 4:

    If anything things have changed for the better. Medicine is always improving. We are preventing more diseases so more vaccines are given.

    Sources
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    Sources

    The Rebbe always INSISTED on sources (see all of Likutei Sichos).

    So provide them, and your argument will be that much stronger.

    Ignorance
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    Ignorance

    @1 That’s false. There is no mercury or lead in vaccines.
    @2 That’s ignorance. Children’s immune systems are exposed to far more pathogens every moment of their life than the miniscule amount in vaccines.

    Never ceases to amaze me how people with no medical background think they’re smarter than the entire medical establishment. The Rebbe says listen to the experts, and 99% of the experts agree that children should be vaccinated.

    To number 5
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    To number 5

    Made up stuff?! Just read the lists….

    Correction on number one.
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    Correction on number one.

    I think you meant lead and aluminum.

    the 'do your research' crowd
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    the 'do your research' crowd

    they don’t want to invest time and brainpower by taking actual medical courses so they look at a few #fakenews websites and books written by Hollywood celebs and consider that to be ‘research’. Look, if c’v you break a leg and need surgery, you are not going to take chances to ‘do your research.’ You will go to a real doctor straight away!

    To number 14
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    To number 14

    There is lead, Mercury, and aluminum contaminants in vaccines. They use them as preservatives etc. Only problem is that they are toxic to humans

    Vaccines are mamosh a miracle.
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    Vaccines are mamosh a miracle.

    what are so many of yo thinking? Let’s return to the days when children were routinely crippled by polio and rubella?

    response to #3
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    response to #3

    you wrote “the rebbe’s answers for an individual Is NOT an answer for a Klal.”
    but point 4 “Al Tifrosh Min Hatzibur/Do not separate from the community” clearly shows that vaccination is for the klal

    ANTI-VAAXERS: Israel Health Officials Concerned With Reported Cases Of Measles In Tzefas
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    ANTI-VAAXERS: Israel Health Officials Concerned With Reported Cases Of Measles In Tzefas

    Israel health officials have been alerted to cases of measles that have been diagnosed in the northern city of Tzefas, primarily in the chareidi community. According to reports, the Health Ministry received reports of cases, most among chareidi children, who have since been in contact with members of the population. In the city’s Rebecca Ziv Hospital, a 7-year-old chareidi boy was admitted due to the seriousness of his condition. He remains in isolation. Health officials feel that in all likelihood, these cases could have been avoided in the parents had their children vaccinated as recommended by the ministry. The ministry… Read more »

    Hashem gave doctors the power to heal
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    Hashem gave doctors the power to heal

    not to us, so we should follow the advice of real doctors instead of coming up with our own ideas. As the Rebbe said Motza’ei Shabbos Terumah 5748: In other words, in addition to that which has been discussed recently concerning the imperative to fulfill the instruction of the Mishnah, “Make for yourself a teacher,”[and in matters related to healing, to consult with doctors, according to the statement of our sages on the verse, “And he will surely heal” “From here we see that a healer is given permission to heal”. These directives are not related to “Come, let us… Read more »

    Read what the Rebbe Said!!!
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    Read what the Rebbe Said!!!

    Their are several board certified doctors that say vaccines don’t extend anyone’s life in America.. Yes the yield to the facts that it deters many contagious ailments.
    BUT, yet ironically their is no evidence it actually extends anyone’s life 1 day. Per the lack of evidence, not withstanding the millions spent to prove otherwise, if I am wrong please post it. As I am a professional and thus directly involved

    New Information About Vaccines Publicized Since These Letters
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    New Information About Vaccines Publicized Since These Letters

    While I am not here to say that absolutely all vaccines should be avoided. I do want to say that the fact can not be denied that there is not adequate research done before these vaccines are approved by the FDA. The FDA relies on the findings of the very same company who produces the vaccines and obviously has financial interest. Unreliable!.

    THIS IS RIDICULOUS
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    THIS IS RIDICULOUS

    The vaccine schedule has changed so dramatically over the last 24 years that this is a non-issue. In the early 90s there were 10 recommended vaccines by the age of 6 years old. In 2010, the CDC schedule totaled 68 doses with more than half given by the time a child was only a year and a half old. In 2016, the schedule increased to 74 doses by age 17. The hepatitis B vaccine (which is given to NEWBORNS – yes, NEWBORNS – and effects only IV drug users and promiscuous individuals) was added after 1994. Physicians are rewarded for… Read more »

    Shocking.
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    Shocking.

    #5 & #15 are the only responses with any knowledge.
    Many are mixing up “shots” with vaccines…they are NOT. the same thing…people who choose not to have vaccinations piggyback off the rest of the community who did… Make enquiries from people in the medical field
    Stop guessing

    Correction
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    Correction

    #5. & #14 are correct… (not #15)

    Very poorly written
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    Very poorly written

    There are no sources…
    The Rebbe insisted to check the ingredients and trust the company and doctor… Today no company is liable, therefore it cannot be trusted! And the ingredients list is awfully alarming and dangerous, finally doctors today are educated by pharmaceutical companies, they are not healers anymore, they are salesmen…

    I guess you can call me a Breslover
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    I guess you can call me a Breslover

    As I understand, it is not a Torah concept to take medicine BEFORE YOU ARE EVEN SICK! Diseases come from Hashem, and trying to outwit Hashem doesn’t ever work. They are currently vaccinating teenagers with the HPV vaccine (instead of just separating the boys and girls to prevent stds), and this vaccine has conclusively killed and injured the children they gave it to. It has also been proven that the flu shot causes miscarriage (and I can attest to that).

    14 - you are ignorant
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    14 - you are ignorant

    Did you ever read the package insert of vaccines?
    It’s a fact that they contain heavy metals, not an opinion

    @14 check again, from the CDC!
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    @14 check again, from the CDC!

    “Thimerosal is a compound that contains mercury. Mercury is a metal found naturally in the environment. Because it prevents the growth of dangerous microbes, thimerosal is used as a preservative in multi-dose vials of flu vaccines, and in two other childhood vaccines, it is used in the manufacturing process.”
    “The only childhood vaccines today that
    have trace amounts of thimerosal are one DTaP and one DTaP-Hib
    combination vaccine.”
    Google “Thimerosal or vaccines” and this CDC pdf is the first thing that comes up.

    The sources are listed!
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    The sources are listed!

    If you would’ve read the entire article before commenting/bashing you would have seen the last line with a link to ALL the sources including copies of igros kodesh.

    Just a Yid
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    Just a Yid

    The amount of ignorance shown in these comments are astounding. No scientifically proven statements or factually correct ones, just hastily thrown around comments that feel good to say. Here are some doozies: Comment 5: “Keep your self made up stuff to yourself” (The irony) Comment 12 “If anything things have changed for the better. Medicine is always improving. We are preventing more diseases so more vaccines are given.” (No proof, souce, quote, study. Just words. Medicine is improving in the sense that harmful things that weren’t thought to be harmful now are discovered to be very damaging to children’s brains.… Read more »

    Context
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    Context

    The Rebbe talks about preventing disease that is very serious. Many vaccines today prevent regular childhood illnesses that are not necessary, like chicken pox- the Rebbe does not seem to be a dressing these illnesses that are not life threatening or dangerous like polio.. and those are mixed with what is very important like menangitis…
    Some will argue that chicken can on rare occasion get complicated and Ch be fatal rl, but now shingles has taken its place and is much more dangerous… is the Rebbe talking about these type of unnecessary vaccinations?

    to number 2
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    to number 2

    Torah doesn’t change. our perception may change & become distorted but Torah is emes and doesn’t change

    To 12
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    To 12

    Many times I saw one vaccine cause strong fever, imagine the immune system having to deal with multiple vaccines at the same time, its too much. If you space it the vaccinations it will be easier on the immune system.

    not up to date
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    not up to date

    The massive and repetitive amounts of vaccines given began long after these directives were spoken… the age at which vaccines are given has dropped radically,and the quantities given then have increased radically… they’re given within the first day or two of life; others are given to pregnant women with adverse results.. the law of informed choice is not followed and parents in some areas who resist face severe legal consequences – deaths happen for newborns and small infants … the rise in incidence of autism is exponential, whereas the incidence of those diseases vaccinated for is relatively low… testing of… Read more »

    Tzibur
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    Tzibur

    the Rebbe clearly says AL TIFROSH MIN HAZIBBUR please anti Vaxxers let me know what your excuse is for this one!

    @2 Sources
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    @2 Sources

    The link at the bottom of the article has sources. It looks like its just to the homepage, but it’s actually to https://shulchanaruchharav.com/the-rebbes-opinion-on-vaccinations/

    Sources????
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    Sources????

    Plz cite which letters and what DATES these are written!
    Much has changed since 1989.
    Where children used to get 5-10 vaccinations by the time they were in school, now they get close to 50 doses, and beginning from newborn.
    This was not the case before vaccination manufacturers got blanket immunity to produce whatever vaccine they wanted, do no proper testing on them and not be liable to ANY injuries, even death.
    Sorry Rabbi, this has not changed anyone’s mind.

    Contact lenses is not documented?
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    Contact lenses is not documented?

    Many answers the Rebbe gave about contact lenses, don’t know if letters, but many were told.
    Not fair to discount it’s value that many know of

    "Debated subject" ???
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    "Debated subject" ???

    Just because a few members of our community believe in ridiculous conspiracies doesn’t make it a “debated subject”.

    Share holders
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    Share holders

    I’m a zeidi and got all my vaccines at childhood without any problem Torah didn’t change but the facts yes,once the doctors where more humans today some of them answer to the drug companies share holders chazal said kabdehu vechashdehu

    to those that say these are changes.
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    to those that say these are changes.

    Funny people say times have changed. They don’t say the same about sonograms, where people can very credible statements to say the same point.

    Moishe K
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    Moishe K

    Can anyone help me convince my non-vaxing relatives ?

    They ask me

    1.for proof that any vaccine was tested against a real placebo

    2.Why I trust a product that manufacturer has no liability? Is that true ?

    3. Why there is no study comparing the health of vaxxxed vs non vaxxed kids ?

    vaccine
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    vaccine

    I grew up in Europe and got all my vaccines……… truth be told I don’t know if the scheduling of the shots is the same as in the US. Some of my children got their medical care in Israel, and were vaccinated like those in the US. You claim that in the US doctors and pharmaceutical companies are in it just for the money. How come the whole world vaccinates even in countries where medical care is run differently than in the US. Sure they may want to make money, but I still believe the overarching concern here is health.… Read more »

    Pittsburgh  yeshiva schools new vaccine policy
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    Pittsburgh yeshiva schools new vaccine policy

    The leadership In Pittsburgh uses the Rebbe for justifying their policy of not accepting kids who are not fully vaccinated even if they have a medical exemption. They have their board of doctors making decisions for our children. We have kids in our school who have weaker immune systems that because of their policy have no school to go to next year! Is this the Rebbe’s outlook? That yiddishe children now will not have a proper Jewish education because of this strict vaccine policy. Does the Rebbe agree to strip parents and personal doctors the right to make their children’s… Read more »

    answer to 38
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    answer to 38

    I would assume pikuach nefesh does actually excuse that one actually.

    Coming from 12 tamuz - time for mesiras nafesh for chinuch
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    Coming from 12 tamuz - time for mesiras nafesh for chinuch

    In Russia they tried to kill us for learning Torah, and we went in mesiras nafesh to learn and stay alive.

    Today the schools don’t let children in their schools if they want to stay healthy/alive.

    It’s time for the schools to stop following Dr rosen blindly, as they do for so long, and let parents choose what health they want for their children, without the fear of being schooless.

    Time for parents to get our rights back.

    Seems like all answers are in his full pdf on his website!
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    Seems like all answers are in his full pdf on his website!

    Guys all answers to all your questions are in his full article. See it here: https://shulchanaruchharav.com/wp-content/plugins/pdfjs-viewer-shortcode/pdfjs/web/viewer.php?file=https%3A%2F%2Fshulchanaruchharav.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F06%2FThe-Rebbe-on-vaccines-website.pdf Page 4 has Q&A, and he has all answers… Especially when he writes this: With that said, aren’t there MD’S and people in the medical community who have voiced the dangers of vaccines, past the Rebbe’s times? To the best of my knowledge this is factually incorrect. To this date there is no credible medical research which has shown a common link of vaccines to any long-term medical side effects. The entire medical community as a whole suggestsand encourages vaccinations to prevent disease. A… Read more »

    Still Suffering...
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    Still Suffering...

    Whooping Cough, which had been eradicated, has made a comeback due to ill-informed parents who believed a doctor who reported an unsubstantiated claim that giving a whooping cough vaccine will cause autism. The doctor was found to be a fraud and lost his license to practice, however due to this erroneous belief, despite being immunized, I caught it and now 3 YEARS LATER, I am still suffering from the after-effects. To be honest, just seeing the headline of this article is enough to rile me. To say that it is grossly unfair to be a VICTIM of the irresponsible decisions… Read more »

    Toxic metals
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    Toxic metals

    I see people are so worried about toxic metals.
    Do you eat tuna( lots of mercury) how about vegetables ( lots of aluminum from the soil there grow in ).

    Like anything toxic it is always about degree and dose.
    For sources check google.

    Agenda here?
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    Agenda here?

    First off, sources please. Second. I don’t recall ever seeing the Rebbe issuing blanket statements to put one’s trust in the “medical establishment” in general. If someone has references from Igros or Sichos etc. to the contrary – please post. What I did see in many places is the Rebbe telling people to talk to their doctor (better – more than one doctor), and preferably someone who is also a trusted friend. I talked to mine. He categorically rejected as both *unsafe* and *unnecessary* the majority of the vaccines pushed by the government to me and my children. Others that… Read more »

    To #1
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    To #1

    Just because an ingredient sounds dangerous, doesn’t mean it is. For example, the (tiny amount of) mercury that is found in vaccines is ethyl mercury, which is flushed out of the body. The mercury that is dangerous for human consumption is methyl mercury, which is found in tuna and in a much higher concentration than in vaccines, yet only pregnant woman are warned against consuming too much tuna, for the rest of us even the toxic mercury is fine in such small doses. Everything humans ingest become toxic in a certain quantity – even drinking too much water kills (look… Read more »

    Contacts, Sonograms... Undocumented??
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    Contacts, Sonograms... Undocumented??

    Very well documented. See R Leibel Groner and stump the Rabbi videos and numerous igros

    Dear Anti-Vaccers
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    Dear Anti-Vaccers

    One can apply the “things/times have changed” argument to ANYTHING the Rebbe said,should one so desire RL.

    anti-Vaxxers are putting our kids in danger
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    anti-Vaxxers are putting our kids in danger

    Not surprised to see the anti-Vaxxer mishigs out in full force.
    There is no new data. All they have is the disgraced Andrew Wakefield and his discredited study and maybe that wacky doctor from Arizona who is a known Wakefield sycophant.

    There was a case of whooping cough in a CH playgroup last month which put the health of all children in that playgroup in danger. These irresponsible parents must be held accountable and not be able to endanger the community’s children at large. Please, wake up people.

    Should I listen to MY MD ?
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    Should I listen to MY MD ?

    The 2 pediatricians I use both do not vaccinate anyone. Dr Lawrence Palevsky & Yosef Yitzchok Barass.

    To #58
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    To #58

    The Rebbe says listen to *your* doctor(s). *My* pediatrician is extremely careful and selective when it comes to vaccines. He does extensive research of both vaccines in general and specific brands. Some he approves / administers, many he does not. Over the many years. I personally would not trust a doctor who summarily approves everything based on FDA. FDA approved opioids too, and MDs amassed and continue amassing untold riches pushing them on behalf of big pharma while destroying lives R”L of thousands of people. It’s no different with vaccines. Pharma is a business whose main goal is to make… Read more »

    How many q have I asked before deciding...
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    How many q have I asked before deciding...

    Interesting how the ppl who don t vaccinate have done extensive research and know that they are taking a risk. Those who do vaccinate repeat the same stuff the dr said… When we talk about a majority of the medical world believing that vaccinating is a good thing/ not a good thing, I think it’s reasonable to count only those who did their own research and are not relying on what they were told in university.. If you count that way, the majority is definitely against the current onslaught of vaccines at such a young age, though many feel that… Read more »

    living too long is guaranteed to kill you!
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    living too long is guaranteed to kill you!

    Don’t forget the arsenic in rice! You can look that up easily. No more tuna and rice for anti-vaxers (more for the rest of us).

    To all those
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    To all those

    Complaining of lack of sources,

    There is a link at the end of the article that says to click for additional reading and sources. I received this article from R Goldstein this morning and it is well sourced and documented. Please look before claiming there are no sources.

    Studies
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    Studies

    Never seen studies that prove injection of poison has the same outcome as inhalation or ingestion of poison.
    Someone please show me the proof.

    Response
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    Response

    To those who claim vaccination is worse today than it was, this is preposterous. They have only removed many of the harmful heavy metals from vaccines in the past few decades. MMR vaccines used to have much higher quantities of mercury than todays doses. Another point is that both extremes are absurd. There are MANY vaccines that are preventive and very successful without causing harm r”l. There are some vaccines that some people claim are questionable, and everyone should find out which those are and decide if they want to avoid. To those writing that the vaccination schedule is much… Read more »

    motives
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    motives

    To those who write about how much evidence in support of vaccination comes from research funded and conducted by pharm. companies themselves. Hopefully these people are aware that the people who fund research to show that vaccinations are harmful and cause autism etc. r”l are also motivated by their own interests. For example, much of the research against vaccination has been funded by large class-action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies where they have a strong interest in finding vaccination to be harmful. Please don’t be fooled by the conspiracy theorists. Many of these people are emotional dysfunctional people who r”l had… Read more »

    Unvaccinated healthy children
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    Unvaccinated healthy children

    Unvaccinated healthy children are not contagious, do not put anyone at risk. Sick children, vaccinated or not, are contagious. Healthy children are healthy.

    Recently vaccinated adults and children may be contagious if they had been given the MMR, Dtap/DPT, Flu, Chickenpox, and/or the Shingles vaccine. Or an oral polio or rotavirus vaccine.

    To 52 get your brains out of the closet
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    To 52 get your brains out of the closet

    There is a huge difference between eating something and having it injected straight to the blood stream Wich leads directly to the brain.
    You can look up the exact numbers but about 99% of toxins in the food we eat the healthy digestive system flushes out

    To no. 45
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    To no. 45

    You are funny. There are no answers to your questions. Your relatives are right. The vaxers are the uninformed blind followers.

    To angry no. 51
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    To angry no. 51

    Wait… Weren’t you vaccinated…? Aren’t vaccines supposed to make you IMMUNE to these diseases? Hmmmmm…. And you caught it anyway… Oh and it’s the anti vaxxers fault. Got it.
    Maybe vaccines aren’t as effective, good, worthwhile as everyone is making them out to be

    To #5
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    To #5

    And to all those bashing those who choose not to vaccinate their children.
    It’s obvious you have done NO research on the matter. You’re Just blabbering.
    Be careful. Your ignorance is showing.

    An old saying
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    An old saying

    My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with the facts!

    Let our children live and learn!
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    Let our children live and learn!

    It’s time for our schools to take off all gzeros and let in our children who choose to live healthy. Without lying about the situation!

    Chicken pox is a booster against shingles....
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    Chicken pox is a booster against shingles....

    Once you’ve had chicken pox, try to expose yourself to people with the virus every few years (if you can find them – unfortunately the pharmaceutical companies don’t want people to get chicken pox anymore so they can sell you that vaccine for your kids, PLUS a shingles vaccines for you later on) …. Every time you are re-exposed to chicken pox after having it in childhood, you’re getting a “booster” against shingles. Why do you think rates of shingles are reaching epidemic proportions for the first time in history? Is it due to a lack of shingles vaccine??? No.… Read more »

    Montrealer
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    Montrealer

    the Rebbe disagreed with the common wisdom of doctors regarding ultrasounds

    To normal people out there
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    To normal people out there

    At the end of the day, there is nothing you can say to a conspiracy theorist that will get him to change his or her mind. The overwhelming majority of doctors support vaccines in the doses they are given. All these “facts” are easily debunked. Just do a little bit of reading. As a religious community who have been non-trusting of the scientific community in the past (billion year old universe, evolution) you will have some crazies who continue to eye them with suspicion. They’re also really loud and vocal which is why a lot of the intense comments here… Read more »

    To 67
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    To 67

    actually there is no major difference with these “toxic metals” Between injection vs consumption, the body process them just fine.

    CHT
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    CHT

    This article gives no more light to “Informed Choice” movement, because the whole point is not about that vaccine helps this and that sickness – but that the sickness is actually a threat, such as in case of polio.

    As far as contact lenses, it is well documented the Rebbe was against them, and er-affirmed multiple times.

    know your legal rights
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    know your legal rights

    NYS allows religious waivers! period it is NOT against the law the accept them and most private schools do religious or NOT!! this is esp true of they accept money from the government such as the lunch program which is from NYS and to accept this money the school has to be in compliance with NYS law!!! if this manner went to court the schools would lose and they KNOW it! Vaccine injury is REAL! it is MY decision if i want to give these poisonous injections to MY children !!

    Important question
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    Important question

    Parents who choose not to vaccinate your kids just like you have free choice over every aspect of raising your child (barring abuse and violence), what are you doing about crown heights schoola policy not to accept your children? Has any lawyer familiar with the law of religious discrimination been working on this?

    if one has seen first hand damage from a vaccine....
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    if one has seen first hand damage from a vaccine....

    and the child was a child of a respected dr. and he himself saw clearly the connection between the vaccine and the effect it had on his daughter. normal one day, not normal the next.
    sorry, this is one of a 1,000’s of stories.

    i was vaccinated as a child, B”H no problems.
    Today is quite different.
    At first you could sue the manufacturers.
    Now they paid out too much $, so the law was passed, you can no longer sue.
    who is looking after pharma’s interests ($)?
    where there is BIG bucks, big corruption.
    too much hard evidence against. sorry!

    Basic vaccines
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    Basic vaccines

    MMR, Polio, Meningitis. There are vaccines that are imperative to have and then there are stupid ones like chicken pox. My mother zgz said when my sister got chicken pox she put me close until I caught it. The moms used to call each other and spread chicken pox around the class so all the kids got it early. People are too emotional about these things and it is all a farce. Kids get vaxxed and end up sick anyway, and kids dont and end up sick anyway. bittul ztum eibershten is the only cure for anyting

    to #29 ("Breslover")
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    to #29 ("Breslover")

    In fact, Rebbe Nachman specifically required his followers to take the vaccines of his time, once they were shown to work. You may be right about the HPV vaccine (which is optional anyway)–it seems to have more side effects and may not be important for our community.

    Why
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    Why

    I keep wondering why so many in the frum community are insane and ignorant? Just dont use antibiotics either since everything is toxic and maybe you can explain how your kidneys will shut down when you have untreated strep.
    Insanity spreads so quickly.
    So tired of listening to the insane

    For the Legal Comments
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    For the Legal Comments

    For anyone curious if the school accepts federal money and is refusing to take medical/religious exemptions that are allowed by state mandates call FERPA. I have already spoken to them regarding a private school in PA refusing medical exemptions and religious exemptions. I was told as long as private schools take federal funding they must follow state mandates. For everyone else, the medical data can go either way. Most doctors agree with the schedule but if you look at the inserts they are not actually following the schedule that was laid out by “big pharma” and the FDA. Example, with… Read more »

    to #1
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    to #1

    Thimerosal (also known as ethylmercury) is another supposed dangerous substance, used specifically in the influenza vaccine. It is used to preserve the vaccine and prevent fungal contamination. Mercury can be found in food, soil, and water yet despite this daily intake the only type mercury said to harmful in large amounts is called methylmercury (found in fish)

    Vaccine injured children are a nescesary sacrifice.
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    Vaccine injured children are a nescesary sacrifice.

    I can’t tell you how many people have said this to us and about us. I would love to hear how pro-vaxxers justify this statement. Really? Are certain children a sacrifice? I thought we left sacrificing our children back in the biblical days…. Yes, we have a child who developed Encephalitis after the MMR. Doctor confirmed and gave his diagnosis, ….and then of course went on to say that we need to keep on vaccinating for the sake of his immunocompromised patients. Can anyone explain the sanity behind this? I thought the entire point of vaccinating is to protect those… Read more »

    if you don't accept the Rebbe on this issue
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    if you don't accept the Rebbe on this issue

    then don’t be surprised when others don’t follow the Rebbe on all kinds of other issues, such as tznius, eruv, chinuch, beards, etc. They are learning from your example

    Definitely confusing
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    Definitely confusing

    Though the arguments of the anti vaxxers are definitely more logical, knowledgeable, and way more convincing.
    Provaxers you aren’t answering any of the points the antis are raising!

    Apples, Oranges, Bananas
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    Apples, Oranges, Bananas

    There were no multiple stimulations then (5 vaccines at once), nor did they give them to newborns. Of course vaccines, spaced out and given at an appropriate age, have their benefit. The spike in autism is since insurance companies have asked for 3 or more at a time and ever earlier. To fail to point this out is wrong. Dr. Russell Blaylock has a lot on this subject.

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    to #88

    That’s because Provaxers rely on doctors who may or may not have studied the vaccines. One of my children is very delayed with vaccines she had what is considered a mild reaction to the vaccine Pentacel, which is the Hib, Dtap, Polio combo. Both my doctor and myself after that decided to slow down and only do single dose vaccines. I went to Children’s Hospital, a resident asked why she was not up to date. I said because she reacted to Pentacel. He said, “which one is that?” I told him, “no offense but I’m concerned I am having to… Read more »

    We should all...
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    We should all...

    be demanding safer vaccines. No child sacrifices!
    be making decisions based on logic and intelligence. Not on emotions and fear!
    be asking ourselves if we are correct in our decisions. No false assurances or fake safety nets!

    Rachmanus
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    Rachmanus

    These people aren’t just disagreeing with scientists, doctors, experts and facts–they are disagreeing with the REBBE MHM himself! All you antivaxers are dangerously foolish.

    Darwinism
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    Darwinism

    For those of you that believe vaccinating is dangerous, please continue your practice. It will be a good way for the rest of us to ensure we improve the gene pool.

    Antivaxxers are dangerous
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    Antivaxxers are dangerous

    Don’t let your kids near their kids, it’s that simple. These people think they know more than all doctors because they’ve read a few articles online written by fringe crazies who are rejected by the mainstream. Even worse, these people also think they know better than the Rebbe….

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    To #74

    Unless it was medically necessary.

    Terrifying
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    Terrifying

    The comment section in this article is frightening. I’m not from crown heights I was completely unaware of an anti vaccer moment in the community.
    But I shouldn’t be surprised: there is a link between tight knit communities and radical anti science movements. Over the past couple years most others of viruses that should have been prevented with vaccines occurred in small Muslim community or small Mormon communities. Sad.

    From the author
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    From the author

    The sources are all found in the main article on our website. The published article here does not mention the sources for whatever reason those who uploaded it see fit. Regarding contact lenses and ultrasound the intent of undocumented is in writing. We are very much aware of the orally transmitted position of the rebbe of this issue and do not discredit it. An artilce on ultrasounds and the rebbes position can also be found on our website.

    @93 and all the rest of the haters,
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    @93 and all the rest of the haters,

    Now we have allot of information at out fingertips; would you “leave it to the experts” when it comes to o buying a phone?? A car??? Or will you research, reviews, stats, facts? Al achas kama vekama for our precious children! Please refute the facts given by the cdc and other reliable sources. One question which I would love pro-vaxxers to answer: If the FDA approved only up to 25 mcg of aluminum per day for an infant because of it’s dangers, why is it that they are being injected with much more than that on the first day and… Read more »

    Att #76
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    Att #76

    Source please?

    Vaxxed TV the McDowell triplets autistic in ONE day following prevnar vaccine
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    Vaxxed TV the McDowell triplets autistic in ONE day following prevnar vaccine

    My child is not the property of the medical practices in CH , the Yesheva system the board of health or the community at large. MY child MY choice. The fall out from a vaccine injury falls on the parents and the child’s family. The people missing from that equation are the people that told the parents the vaccine was safe or the people that put pressure on them to due it for school admintance etc. They will go on with their lives like they dont have a care in the world and the sick child with the damage from… Read more »

    Too Many Too Soon? No!
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    Too Many Too Soon? No!

    While the current vaccine schedule includes 315 antigens by age 2, in 1980 the vaccine schedule included over 3,000 antigens – 10 times more. Vaccines are more targeted and efficient. They include only the needed antigens, not the whole soup. So antigen exposure through vaccines (as tiny as they are) has actually been decreasing over time, which pretty much breaks the anti-vaccine narrative.

    google this and read the full article.

    About Vaccination
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    About Vaccination

    It’s not a smart idea, That People which are not doctors, or even doctors which do not specialize particularly in this field, should Try To rule in a field which they Really don’t have Enough Knowledgeable and experience, it is really not responsible from there side to do so, it’s Playing with Pikuach Nefoshois Mamosh!!

    Vaccine injured children.
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    Vaccine injured children.

    Does anyone take responsibility for vaccine injured children other then the parents? As in monetarily? Special needs is a massive expense, never mind the high divorce rates of families who have spceial needs children. How easily can a parent Sue and get “compensated” for an injury? Are Jewish schools accommodating children with Autism or whatever else a parent finds that a vaccine caused? Or are these Jewish neshamas now instantly students of the public school system? Back in my day, autism was 1 in 250 kids. In light of this article I recently looked it up and see that it… Read more »

    It's simple
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    It's simple

    Never ask a barber if he thinks you need a haircut.

    Parental rights
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    Parental rights

    Parents have a right to choose what’s best for their own children.

    Science and doctors always knows best.
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    Science and doctors always knows best.

    It’s interesting how some of you are so concerned about the fact that if one doesn’t take this article seriously (Yes, I mock the person who wrote this article), you feel that if you start dropping what the Rebbe said about this, then who’s to say you won’t start to drop other things in Yiddishkyt…. You do realize that with every severely vaccine injured child, you just lost another Jewish soul to the public school system. Another child who may or may not be able to get married and build a Jewish home, have children etc…. I have a Jewish… Read more »

    To number 105
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    To number 105

    No waaaay…… Although in today’s society this apparently is not a given. I am laughing at the fear that is dripping from all of the pro vax posts with all of the emotional drama. It is apparent that you have not done thorough research, otherwise you would not be gripped with fear. I used to be pro vax, like 99% of the non-vax community. So how does one go from being pro-vax to non-vax? No, we didn’t wake up one day and just loose our marbles, or wake up one day and let Andrew W. talk us into it. Contrary… Read more »

    Ashamed of Anash
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    Ashamed of Anash

    Reading comments above, such as 103 and 105 makes really sad. So much ignorance , misunderstanding and arrogance.

    Oy Rebbe…Oy…

    Splitting Chabad?
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    Splitting Chabad?

    It seems obvious that this “vaccine war” is not going away. Quite the contrary the pro-vaxxers seem to be growing and growing. My question is, instead of making a rift in Chabad or in the Jewish people in general, perhaps if one can not discuss this without getting emotional or hateful (as per some comments above), we should just agree to disagree and carry on throughout our day.

    To 108
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    To 108

    This is 103. Would you care to explain how my questions are upsetting you? Or better yet, perhaps you can shed some light for me and answer them.

    Ahahahahahah!!!!
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    Ahahahahahah!!!!

    There is no difference between Ingesting vs injecting???!! Oh my G-d, heaven help us. And you pro-vaxxers call yourself well researched. This is too much.

    Do pro-vaxxers support vaccine injured children?
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    Do pro-vaxxers support vaccine injured children?

    My question is, how do you pro-vaxxers respond when you hear a child had a significant vaccine injury?

    That’s too bad, but at least they are vaccinated?
    Unfortunately it had to happen for the sake of keeping disease down.

    At least it wasn’t my child.

    Oy, that’s too bad… and thinking to oneself, – but my kids are fine, it won’t happen to us.

    I don’t believe it, they can’t properly prove it.

    As I have literally heard it all, I would love to hear some more compassionate responses from some Pro-vaxxers since I have yet to hear any.

    Thank you.

    I don't think this article is helping any....
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    I don't think this article is helping any....

    Since the non-vaccinating community is just growing, baruch hashem, I don’t believe articles like this is helping ahavas yisroel any. Look at the comments. TRUST me when I say that after all of the research that we have done and after all that we have been through with vaccine injury, this article, by no means is going to impact me or change my mind. If you are aware of the non-vax community, it is probably safe to say that I can say the same for the rest of the non-vax community. It does seem, however, that according to the comments,… Read more »

    To 103
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    To 103

    read this below. if you don’t understand or dont want to accept it is fine. gone were the days when I thought people could use their brains instead of their hearts.

    have a good Shabbes and may H have rachamanas on your ignorance.

    sciencebasedmedicine.org/autism-prevalence-increases-to-1-in-59-and-antivaxers-lose-it-yet-again/

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    This is 103 again. Perhaps the numbers of the commenters are mixed up or are different on various computers Bec I did not write that. I am sorry for any miss communication. As far as our different views regarding vaccines, as someone mentioned above, I hope we can agree to disagree. Have a wonderful Shabbos.

    To 113
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    To 113

    Anyone who cares about what the Rebbe wants listens to the medical community 99% of whom support vaccination.

    Playing with fire
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    Playing with fire

    Those who don’t vaccinate don’t realize that they are playing with fire! They are putting their children at a much greater risk. My parents vaccinated us but were not careful in making sure we got all our vaccines (partially because of all the anti vax claims). When I was 20 years old I contracted Mumps which caused orchitis. I now suffer from severe male factor infertility directly caused by it. luckily after many ivf treatments i had a child. But my mother is still tormented by what she caused. This besides the fact that I could have infected other bochurim… Read more »

    NO LOVE FOR MURDERERS
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    NO LOVE FOR MURDERERS

    There can be no love, no tolerance, and no place in our community for people who deliberately LIE about their so-called “research” on the imaginary dangers of vaccines. Like bearers of tuberculosis they must be quarantined and not allowed to raise children or to infect others with their crazy lies. We must be very clear that there is NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF TRUTH to any of the allegations. Vaccines do not cause autism, ever. No child in the history of the world has ever become autistic because of a vaccine, and anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. Any… Read more »

    No tolerance for missionaries
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    No tolerance for missionaries

    Anti-vaxxers are just like missionaries. Just as we have NO ahavas yisroel for missionaries, and we throw them out of our community without mercy, so must we treat the anti-vaxxers. Like the anti-vaxxer, the missionary means well. He sincerely loves us and wants to save us from Hell. He is not an antisemite; if he were, he would let us go to Hell and push us in. Instead he tries hard to save us the only way he knows how, by bringing us to his god, r”l, whom he believes to be the only way out. But, exactly like the… Read more »

    There is no such thing as a "vaccine injured child"
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    There is no such thing as a "vaccine injured child"

    Not one single case of autism has EVER been caused by a vaccine. That is a simple fact. These children do not exist, so nobody has to take responsibility for them.

    The causes of autism are not known, but one thing we do know with absolute certainty — vaccines are not one of them.

    No autism in the Amish community
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    No autism in the Amish community

    How does one explaine this this and true of other populations that don’t vax such as Jwhitness many Muslim children Christian science. This is according to the medical practices that treat them. The cancer and automimmune disease is nil compared to rest of society. Look all of this up. Most people would rather have their child deal with a week of the chicken pox than take the risk. One commenter said society should not be responsible for autistic children for she believes vaccines didn’t cause it. Exactly my point if your child has the injury then it’s all on YOU… Read more »

    The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
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    The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

    National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program With the implementation of the NVICP, both vaccine manufacturers and private individuals are considered. The Program promotes public health interests while remaining prepared for negative outcomes in individual cases. What is the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program? The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) is a no-fault alternative to the traditional legal system that allows for vaccine-injured petitioners to seek compensation when certain circumstances have been met. The initial goals of the Vaccine Program were to: Ensure adequate supply of vaccines; and Compensate individuals injured by vaccines. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund provides funding… Read more »

    Vaccine injury is REAL
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    Vaccine injury is REAL

    Incidentally, is there a reason that kids today get about three times as many vaccines as kids 30 years ago got? Which new diseases have we eradicated? I can think of one: chicken pox (thank G-d!). But which others? In the 1980s, kids were vaccinated (if I’m not mistaken) for mumps, measles, polio, etc. What new diseases are all these new vaccines for? Is it then possible that at least some of these new ones are really not necessary? Can’t you understand a parent being suspicious of flooding her baby with 50 different vaccinations when she and all her friends… Read more »

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