Anonymous Op-Ed:
“She’s definitely pregnant, right? I mean, look at her!” There were chairs strewn across the field, but the three middle-aged women that were chatting about the young newly married woman who had walked past them only moments before, were seated in a semi circle under a few trees that were providing them with shade. The shade kept them cool and a bit more hidden from the children playing around them, yet their words had not been spoken in hushed voices and as I inched toward them, I could hear them ramble on; awaiting their next victim.
I had never been to an actual bungalow colony growing up, but since I had gotten married, my husband and I often went upstate to spend time with family and friends who had homes there. At first, I enjoyed the peacefulness of it. We would take long walks in the morning; there was lots of laughter, a bit of chaos, and lots of noise masking the sounds and scents of the country. As we began to spend more time there, I began to perceive my weekend experiences in a different sort of light, a much dimmer light. Still, there was nothing quite similar to the air there, the serenity; the deer saying hello as they nonchalantly crossed my path while I walked. Yet within the quietness, and beyond the little feet running by me, present was awful background noise that I simply couldn’t tune out.
Many spend summers with their younger children in these bungalow colonies along with other families who may or may not be within their personal social circles. Their husbands often remain in the City, working through the week and leaving early on Fridays to join their families for shabbos. Some children attend sleep away camp, while the younger ones attend day camp along with trips to nearby petting zoos and ever entertaining Walmart superstores. During this time however; the women, well… They have a lot of time on their hands. They have empty spaces of time that need filling. As I began to spend more time there on my free weekends off from work, I began to understand what that time was being suffused by. In between losing those relentless 5 pounds by serious biking or power-walking and driving to Woodbury Commons to catch some sales, there was plenty of time to think about all of their grievances that others were causing them.
And with nothing else to do, they conjured up inventive tales of people that were in the wrong; people that weren’t receiving them well. It’s kind of like this: Someone or something is bothering you and you aren’t sure exactly why. You begin to think about the situation, and as you do, it causes you to become disappointed, maybe angrier, and you have this sudden urge to get all of that emotion out there in the open. Even though, you weren’t all that upset to begin with. Maybe you would have even dropped the subject if you were busier with some of those things that really mattered. Yet, it wasn’t only that. There was the mindless gossip, too. Gossip for no reason at all, but only for what it was.
With time on their hands, poolside; the women discussed the younger generation, passing judgment for the swimwear they sported, before they had even opened their mouths to say hello to the women who were surveying them. During the week, as couples made big barbecues and bar mitzvah events took place, couples chatted about how much money their friends were spending and how much money they actually had to spend. As there were gadgets being purchased and new furniture being bought for their homes, they discussed who had purchased more houses there and how well they must be doing in business. And on shabbos, when there were no cell phones or cars being used and driven, it seemed that there was little to do, but to gossip.
Now, before I receive defensive messages and comments for this article, please know that I do not deem the bungalow experience an all-bad one, at all. In fact, I applaud the bungalow colonies that provide programs for the children, camaraderie, a safe and frum environment, and it’s wonderful to see the women relaxing and forming new relationships and bonds with others there. But, the gossip is a part of the summer, too. In fact, it’s almost inevitable.
I’m also writing this as a former victim of gossip. See, gossip is a funny thing because it always manages to travel back to the one who’s being spoken about. And when that happens, well, it stings. It’s hurtful knowing that you’ve been discussed by a group of women who were simply bored one shabbos and were in need of some new material. Couldn’t they have just read a book or one of those kosher food magazines? It’s especially hurtful when you discover that they may have been some of your own family members discussing you.
So, to all of you enjoying these last couple of weeks before the summer comes to a close and Yom Tov begins, the new school year starts, and your routine picks up again; please remember this: When you gossip about another, regardless of how softly you whisper, everyone can hear you. Your children can hear you, G-d can hear you, and that person you’re speaking about- it won’t be long before she can hear you, too.

You bet the same people who complain about tuition manage to find money for bungalows.I was a teacher out of town who got second job to help with tuitilon and camp. We didn’t even know anyone who went away for the summer.Lots of spoiled people.Leave CH and see how rest of world lives.
It’s brought in Gemarah. Tanya in merely quoting it. & it’s AVAK loshon horah not loshon horah. There’s a difference.
That is so disappointing, so worrisome. Makes me sad about how the “outside” world might perceive “us”. I feel embarrassed about the portrayal you speak of. I think a psychologist of merit might be a good place to start addressing this problem, if there are folks so inclined. Just to clarify, I am not coming from the position of “those people are crazy”, etc. , but rather one of trying to find a sense of growth and healing for both sides of the coin. Granted, the gossipers might not think their activities are a problem; however, it is a problem… Read more »
I experienced this behavior as a new baal tshuva attending Bais Rivka. There was absolutely nothing I could do right (as per #1). I’m sure there are many lovely people in CH but I associate it with that horrible judgmental loshon hora. I hate going there even though I no longer worry what others say about me. My adult child lived there but moved away from CH because of this. Literally, because the majority of people he/she came into contact with in CH are incredibly judgmental and gossipy.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP. MY CHILDREN AND I ARE IN THE BUNGALOW FOR 6 WEEKS EVERY SUMMER. EVERY DAY THEY COME HOME WITH SOMETHING NEW THAT THEY OVERHEARD SOMEONE SAY. IS THIS WHAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR WE WANT TO PASS DOWN TO OUR CHILDREN????
I’m the writer of the article…. I was simply writing to gain awareness about Lashon Hora. It’s a HUGE problem that causes HUGE heartache to others and to the speaker. I brought in the bungalow colonies as example because it seems so prevalent there. A lot of the “noise” is women talking about other women. Now, I’m aware that Lashon Hora takes place wherever one who’s speaking it would like it to- BUT, in the bungalow colonies, there’s very little privacy. There’s always somebody listening and hearing. There’s a lot of defense about this article. I expected nothing less than… Read more »
anyone that talks lashon hora is not happy with their own life, thats why they talk about other people, they should get a life so they wont have time to talk.
As one who used to go to the country for summer when my children were younger, I can say in all honesty, it’s not what it used to be. In our spare time we had shiurim. and organized mivtzoim to camps and other colonies. NO we were not goody goody’s just not into using our spare time for destruction. We also had a regular dodge ball game most days and got our exercise that way. But there’s always one sore thumb in the bunch and I remember a close friend being being criticized by a so called friend of hers… Read more »
I meant to refer to #51, not # 50! Look at # 51! I think she/he’s onto to something important to consider!
WOW !!!! SO WELL WRITTEN .. SO SAD SO TRUE
ITS SO BAD
MAY HASHEM FORGIVE THEM
Wish to have some money to spend a weekend / few weeks or a whole month in Upstate ….had a chance to be invited there few times for Shabbes by friends , thanks a lot …
Didn’t see anything wrong , if you respect yourself everyone will respect you back …
I do not think this author is putting down bungalow colonies itself, it’s just that it’s more conducive to gossipy behavior because of the close proximity of one to the other and more time on peoples hands. I wonder why too many comments are negative to this author, when Loshon Hara could be the exact reason we are still in Golus!! If you don’t identify the problem and do something about it, how will it change? Thank you very much author for bringing up one of the most-if not the most important subject that needs work! I honestly believe that… Read more »
Look at # 50. That’s the point!!
thank for the gentle reminder, and ppl there is no need to take this article so defensivly, I mean I also talk lashon hara and I know its wrong why deny it? just do something abt it. and if u don’t want then keep ur mouth shut, plz!
This happens all the time, unrelated to bungalow colonies.
I am from out of town, and never ‘got’ the bungalow colony thing either. If I vacation, it is because I want to spend quality time with the family, husband VERY much included. I do not want to let my husband fend for himself all week, eating out or eating garbage, while I live it up by myself. It just wouldn’t work for me. Since my in-laws are from Crown Heigths, I have an extended weekend here and there at the bungalow colonies. What I found was this: – There is no privacy in family life – hence you open… Read more »
To #50: Why on earth is this a trashy article?! I think it makes a very good and clear point: not to speak Lashon hara. And for all of you out there that are criticizing the Author, think twice! She is still making a good point even without the whole thing about the bungalow.
What you say builds you up, builds up the atmosphere around you, builds up the people you talk about (if you really must talk about people).. OR the opposite c”v.
I’ve been around women who find gossiping to be a source of energy! It seems they don’t even think about WHAT they’re doing, they just get a certain satisfaction from doing it! However, if you are on the OUTSIDE of that questionable activity, it can be hurtful. It can create a feeling of distrust, depression, skepticism, disappointment, etc. Please do not say it’s not so important or not such a big deal. If you haven’t been gossiped about in a nasty or critical or negative way by people who are suppose to be supportive of one another, then you do… Read more »
Wanted to clarify points with respect to my comment #20. Firstly, yes, this is a trashy article what talks trash about people what talk trash. Next, there is nothing ipso facto wrong about vacationing or even spending entire summers in upstate NY. There is no absolute standard of living appropriate for a human being — from the din of dei machsoroi, vafilu sus lirkov olov..So for many families, going to the country isn’t an ‘extra’ but rather a staple without which their lives would be genuinely lacking to the point of justifying tzedoka based support (all other things being equal,… Read more »
It says in Tanya that there are 3 things that a person finds hard to avoid every single day of his life. 1. Concentration in davenning, 2. Loshon Hora 3….. um, I forgot (I think it’s sinful thoughts). so, dear author, you are right, but it is very hard, I don’t know anyone who is perfect in this area. Still, let’s all take this message to hear. K.V.T.
Gossip will happen everywhere, but the difference is that in the colony your private life becomes more exposed, people see first hand how you interact with your kids, wife/husband children etc. you are practically living together with all the other families like one big happy family. So it is easier to gossip and talk or comment on other people’s lives. I went to country many years, it is a great experience, now I choose to stay in the city and I love it. Many people stay in the city by choice, either because of work, or prefer to take private… Read more »
That’s all there is to it!
My heart goes out to parents who can’t sleep at night worrying about how to pay to send their children to school. But when they opt to send their children to the same school system that handicapped them, virtually guaranteeing that their own kids will suffer the same sleepless nights in the future, then my heartache turns into anger. Holding others in contempt for any reason is despicable. Rather than jealousy eyeing those who choose to pay tuition and go to the mountains, those suffering parents back in the city should be making sure that they don’t doom their kids… Read more »
Why do we have to be מקטרג on yidden
I say
מי כעמך ישראל
Finally someone who’s actually talking about this! They shouldn’t call it Monticello, they should call it YENTA-VILLE!
And #38 you sound defensive, this woman doesn’t sound jealous at all, she talks about the good parts, too.
“Live and Let Live” ??? Yeah, let’s sweep everything under the rug just like we always do
Dear Anonymous (shouldn’t be printed without a name), I’m sorry that you’re such an angry person, with so much time on your hands, I assume not in a bungalow colony, that you can dedicate an entire diatribe about “they.” What about, “I”, “Us” etc.. you say you were a victim of gossip. That’s an awful position to be in. However, please don’t use this forum, to voice your personal issues with bungalow colonies. It smacks of jealousy and vengefulness. . By the way, why not take reading material and sit under a lovely tree, and away from the gossip. Kesivah… Read more »
Just shows how every spiritual community eventually rots from the inside. She didn’t even mention the words Loshon Horo, because nobody cares. Nobody cares about a mitzvah that everyone disgraces. A few weeks ago was Parshas Eikev and Rashi says that Eikev refers to the mitzvos that people crush under their heel. Imagine what kind of community crown heights would be without loshon horo. Not to mention the jewish people as a whole. Yiddishkeit has nothing to do with what the next guy does or doesn’t do. So forget the status quo and be a real yid, stand up for… Read more »
sponsor me a trip to one of these colonies and you can talk about me all you want!
My parents took us to bungalow colonies for years. The air and experience was great. Yet, after going to bungalow colonies for years myself, I experienced what my mother went through with the gossip. I myself was not a sit arounder. I busied myself with mivtzoim and programs at unfrum colonies. In addition to doing crafts and being busy with my children and Hashem I did not mix into circles of gossip, but you heard the gossip about yourself. When I went there were public washing machines and you had to hear all the comments about how many washes I… Read more »
Did you not write this op-ed just to spew comments about judgemental people and the jealousy they have of others? Read the comments, pat yourself on the back. Then you should just pack your things & head to a colony full of yentas as you describe…YOU WILL FIT RIGHT IN! As for those people in the country, city, islands or even on the moon: life is about choices. You can choose to speak loshon hara anywhere anytime. Baruch Hashem we were given two gates to lock our mouths with. There are many wonderful people around who know how to use… Read more »
I think for someone to write this article is disgusting! You are obviously a very jealous person. There is no one way to do things. If u can afford to go to the bungalow colony for the summer there is no better way to give your child a beautiful summer than the change and fresh air they get there. You seem very bitter. I have been going to the country all my life and it is not a yente club. Some of my best friends are summer bungalow friends. Stop criticizing and live and let live. Ah gut yor to… Read more »
Exactly. People who gossip have nothing better to do.
Stop making something out of nothing, the country is a wholesome family summer for everyone. If people want to gossip they will gossip anywhere it’s all empty drivel. For the most part everyone is friendly and nice and the kids have a wonderful time being outdoors and carefree. And mainly it is not affecting your tuition if I go to the country. Where did that even come from? I am paying full tuition and I am a renter! So no connection there. Next time you come try to enjoy the whole experience, the swimming the nature watching your children ride… Read more »
Sorry I do go to a Lubavitch colony and I must say it goes on here as well. As for the gossip always getting back to the person that has been gossiped about that will always be the case, and when that happens ……..
ROFL!! The sad thing is, though, these comments are year round.
I was in a “famous” bungalow colony VERY heavily pregnant many years ago. As I waddled along I overheard one woman say really loudly in a nasty tone to the other yentas “I can’t believe she’s still here!!!” Like I could do anything about it? I was so upset (I was already past my due date.) I haven’t forgotten it & that one humiliating & demeaning comment changed how I respond to this woman for ever. I can’t stand her. BTW eventually I had my baby 😉
basically you are doing the same thing they are. not that you don’t have a point. but really I have been victim of that type of thing and yes it is upsetting, but after a while you realize, people who know you wouldn’t believe it and people who don’t give you the benefit of the doubt you don’t want to know. you have to grow a thicker skin. because this type of thing isn’t going to change.
Use your brains. Read a book!
they’ll talk about you anyway…does it really matter? Big deal. Better let them talk, than forget you:) as the saying goes “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” – Eleanor Roosevelt
I was under the impression that that is exactly how the woman keep busy in the country the whole summer. Take away gossiping and they really wouldn’t have anything to do.
Male chauvinist.
Although I haven’t been in a bungalow colony for years (I live out of town), I could imagine the frustration you felt. I always wondered why C.H. always focuses on Tznius which is also an urgent topic, but rarely focuses on this also harmful and terrible crime in the Torah (as also indicated in Tanya). I recently started a Machsom L’phi program, which is basically taking one hour a day in an organized rotation system, in which each participant actively focuses for that hour, not to listen to or speak Loshon Hara. Before each persons hour, everyone in the 24… Read more »
1. The Rebbe spoke about the summers spent in the country, and said that although he doesn’t see the great necessity of leaving the city in the summer, if people do, then they should utilise the opportunity to organise shiurim for their bungalow colony, and for other bungalow colonies in the vicinity….. ******************************************************** I would also point out that if each colony would invest in those Tehilim pamphlets and one person would take on organising a daily Tehilim group, it would be a tremendous zechus. What about a Chitas club? What about getting an expert to give classes in practical… Read more »
we come from further then new york to spend the summer in the mountains. The experience for the children is amazing. they grow on the fresh air, freedom, nature and wonderful day camp experience. Adults too, make special “summer friends” People share their homes with guests, go to shiurim and raised a huge amount of $ for the friendship circle. We try and make shidduchim-not just yent about others!! Focus on the good in people and you will see it!!The negative seems to stand out at times-but each person has a choice-as to what they want to see.
What do you think is going to happen when a bunch of women sit together…..
These days you don’t have to drive three hours to find the worst that words can do, it’s right here in our own backyards. You have to protect yourself and others by being very careful how you talk and to whom. Even people who are ostensibly there to help you, like some shadchanim, have been known to blatantly disregard the basics of confidentiality, twist people’s words to fit their own agenda, and cause a churban c”v, destroying innocent people’s peace of mind and sense of trust with no apparent benefit to anyone. It’s the people not the place. I guess… Read more »
isn’t the lashon hara and judgement worse than the actual skin-exposed-discussion?
Yes yentas sit under the shade and daaven!
the same women who sit a whole day and gossip in the country do it in the city too. Get a job, I say.
Sorry Mr. Bungalow owner, but as long as there are parents in Crown Heights losing sleep worrying whether thier children will be in yeshiva the coming year, Yidden will continue to hold those who have ‘extra’ money in the absolute utmost of contempt. So enjoy your bungalow and it’s very nice that your children all pay thier tuitions.
Look for good people and you’ll find them, look for bad and you’ll find them too. City or country. Bmakom she’ain ish hishtadel lihyos ish.
I visited a bungalow colony and one visit was more than enough. I could not help noticing the groups of women in a state of almost constant gossip and their looks at passersby. These groups were scattered all over like clumps of.. darkness. No exaggeration. I found it frightening and shiver worthy even in the warm weather. Most of the so called innocent observations about this one and that one led to what I can only call vicious slander- sometimes cleverly couched in grave, sympathetic tones of voice. There were notable exceptions, good women who were also diplomatic enough to… Read more »
This is exactly why I decided that the bungalow isn’t for me. It was like being with ladies who were resorting back tobhigh school, fighting and talking behind each others back….just had to stay away…so unhealthy
The first thing in the morning after morning Brochos we say “Ma Tovu Oholecha Yaakov”
Rashi explains the meaning of this that the tents “bungalows”of the Yidden in the midbar had entrances not facing each other for the purpose of privacy to mind your own business and not be nosy. These are words which Hashem put into Bilom’s mouth as words
of praise and blessings for Am Yisroel. So its quite clear that yentas need to learn to find something to talk about…
Its O.K. to talk about themselves if they are bored
Thank for taking my sentiments and putting them in writing.
#1 your writing is really funny and needs its own post, just a little grammar touch ups
The makings of a great purim shpiel!
I love yentes………
This was very obviously written by a Boro park chassidish style person. Certainly not a Lubavitcher. I’ve been to the country almost every summer for the last 25 years and don’t experience this sort of thing.
I sense a feeling of jealousy from the above writers. Most people who go to bungalow colonies are the ones who are supporting the yeshivas. I’ve been going to a bungalow colony since I was a child and bh I always took my children. Now they are taking their children. They all pay their tuition . There is no such experience as a summer in the country for a child. Please do not criticize those people who go and do not judge them. It is these people that support the yeshiva and what they do with their extra money is… Read more »
he also complained about this and made certain rules about this
It happens to be that it is cheaper to rent a bungalow (in some colonies) than to send to day camp in crown heights. So dont be so quick to judge.
Despite being written out like a text between two beis rivka girls, that’s hilarious, and very spot-on.
While our schools and yeshivos are suffering, these people seem to have disposable income to spend. I am not talking about folks who take a week or two off. I am talking about the multitudes that spend the whole summer there. They send the kids to sleep away camps as well. No wonder there is no money left for Yeshiva tuition.
The bungalow bunnies can have the catskills!
A soft reminder and motivation, to be productive, and avoid gossip, Thank you for writing!
you are right, i went for a few shabbosim and hated it so bad i never went back.
BS”D
this gossip is human nature, better to fixate on the good these women do and you’ll be less aggravated
Someone recently sent me this satirical illustration of the gossip in the country: This is what I c as an outsider…going as a guest to the bungalow colonies. If u don’t sit out with the ladies ur a snob. If u sit out too much ur a yenta. If u talk abt ur husband constantly then u don’t have shulam bayis. If u don’t talk abt ur husband ur probably such a cold type. If u spend money on ur kids clothing ur a type of wife that sucks out every penny from ur husband,poor husband. If ur kids dress… Read more »