By COLlive reporter
The Beis Din of Crown Heights has reissued a strong statement regarding carrying on the streets of the neighborhood on Shabbos, following what they described as “misleading advertisements” suggesting otherwise.
The ruling, signed by its two members, Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba and Rabbi Yosef Braun, states unequivocally: “On Shabbos Kodesh and Yom Kippur, it is absolutely and categorically forbidden to carry on the streets of Crown Heights and its vicinity.”
The letter includes a postscript noting that the Rebbe was firmly opposed to the establishment of an eruv in Crown Heights. They cite the psak din of the late posek, Rav Moshe Feinstein, who ruled that “it is forbidden to establish an eruv in any neighborhood in New York and Brooklyn, and even if an eruv is established there, it is forbidden to carry in it.”
The Beis Din stated that those encouraging carrying on Shabbos in Crown Heights are not only defying the ruling of the Beis Din but are also rebelling against the Rebbe’s directives and the authority of gedolei Yisroel.
“Those who listen will be blessed,” the letter concludes.
The independently built Crown Heights Eruv was constructed and is managed to the highest standards by Rabbi Zishe Rub of Mishmeres Haeruv in Lakewood, New Jersey. It is said to be checked weekly by a Chabad chossid and “inspected by rabbonim and eiruv experts.”
The website of the Eruv notes that “the eruv is omed merube using 80% walls. The eruv is in accordance with the Rambam & the Alter Rebbe Baal Hatanya and satisfies all the opinions to the highest standards.”
They write that gedolei Yisroel actually do support the eruv. One such example is Rabbi Menashe Klein OBM, who advocated for establishing eruvin in New York City and received the support of the Rebbe, as well as the Rosh Yeshiva of 770, Rabbi Yisroel Yitzchok Piekarski OBM.
What the Crown Heights Eruv builders don’t mention is that the Rebbe repeatedly stated that local matters should always defer to local rabbonim. In the past, 16 Chabad rabbonim supported building eruvin. To date, however, no local rov or posek has publicly endorsed the Crown Heights Eruv.
Plenty of people listen and aren’t blessed. What kind of promise is that?
You have to believe and than there are no questions
there are many blessings that people don’t see come to life, but it is still our job to do our part. thats why emuna is called emuna peshuta. it’s not so complex, we have SIMPLE beliefe in hashem, and rabbonim who carry His word.
kesiva vachasima tovah!
Yes but at least they acknowledge now it exists….
Zelle [email protected]
We have bigger problems. Such as the disaster in 770 over RH
Put focus on what really matters, Rabbi Braun!
Like the lack of mentchlichkeit
By the tzfatim
Who disrupted 770 on Rosh Hashanah!
Write a scathing letter for this ruthless behaviour!
I can’t wait until the Rebbe comes back physically
Then I will go back to 770!
You obviously weren’t there on rh. So ill fill you in. Rabbi Braun actually made an announcement that anyone that was involved in taking away the sold benches or is standing in that space is not yotzei krias hatorah and tekios. So what, you want him to write a letter and post it on col? No one that needs to see a letter telling them to respect 770 is looking here. That’s why he made an announcement in shul. Chill out a bit, the ch eiruv isn’t according to the alter Rebbe, which makes it not good enough for a… Read more »
did you research this at all how do you know its not in accordance with the alter rebbe?
Yes I have done research and it is not at all according to the Alter Rebbe
On the website it says it’s according to the alter Rebbe.
On the website it says it’s according to the alter Rebbe.
He knows, there was a message going on around that he admitted that he is נוגע בדבר. He is a Rav, not in charge of 770
The tsfatim will make problems no matter what so that needs to be addressed ,they need to be held accountable …but there is the issue of not expanding 770 and there not being room.
Why are you mixing in other politics.
This is a article purely about the CH eruv, nothing else, so why on earth are you writing about this?!
Actually very much connected.
Maybe if the community respected and listened to the Rabbonim, the guests in it would feel the need to, as well.
We can handle more than one problem at a time. This is a cop out comment used every time an issue of yiras shomayim is raised.
Both problems exist. Being mechalel shabbos is also a Big issue
Alter Rebbe rules that our streets are karmalis, so even without a Eruv it’s not a issue deuraisa.
I would like to see a letter or Tzetil that the Rebbe says DO NOT BUILD AN ERUV IN CH. The Rebbe was very open about millions of issues. Why not one Tzetil about building an Eruv here. I do not use the ERUV but thousands of young mothers need to get out of their house. Especially now there are 2 Eruvs in Brooklyn ( one around the entire Brooklyn ) and one Espcially for BH and EF. We see more and more people using it. We also see tens of NON JEWS running a business of going to peoples… Read more »
Kfar Chabad was founded in 1949 by the previous Lubavitcher Rebbe, in 1956 Rabbi Shneur Zalman Garelik established the eruv for Kfar Chabad upon completion of the eruv a letter was received from the Rebbe with a blessing: “Mazel Tov on completing the Eruv in a good and a auspicious time, and it should be the will of G-d that through this act that adds to the observance of Shabbos it will hasten the coming of the redemption, as is known the verse from the sages that if Shabbos will be kept we will immediately be redeemed”.
Kfar Chabad doesn’t have 600,000 people traveling on its streets daily.
Within the borders of this eruv mehudar reside 455,000 persons, not 600,00.
Besides the requirement of 600,00 is defined by 600,000 persons transversing on a given roadway every single day to obtain the qualifications of a reshus harabim. It is for that reason the alter Rebbe rules that a reshus harabim does not exist in our times.
The rebbe is not against having an eruv but is against having an eruv in certain places like crown hts
Also rabbi label groner spoke out against ch eruv when this discussion came up several yrs ago. Rabbi groner wrote a letter that was in collive about it. Rabbi schwei also
Kfar Chabad is a TINY community. Not part of a major city
Reb Asher Herson A Shliach of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, This happened approximately the year of 1992, Rabbi Herson asked the Rebbe whether to build a Eruv in Rockaway NJ. I wrote in saying that as a result I would turn to Rabbi Shimon Eider Who was considered the expert at the time in this area. I asked if I should undertake this big project, which it was for me at the time, and the Rebbe said to do it , and then added: without delay. Hatzlacha Rabba Umuflaga!!
He and his family don’t use it. It was build for the baalei batim and mekuravim.
The area where Rabbi Herson built the eruv is a small quiet community. There are no large or busy streets. It’s not at all like Brooklyn.
One thing have nothing to do with the other. Rockaway NJ does not have the same number of people passing thru as CH
In the month of Adar 5746 (1986) the chief Rabbinate of Israel, Harav Mordechai Eliyahu & Harav Avrohom Shapiro met with the Rebbe to discuss important matters of world Jewry including the topic of establishing eruvin in the Holy land and worldwide. In conclusion the Rebbe emphasizes. 1. We rule Shishim Ribu trans versing on a passageway is a condition for Reshus harabim according to the Admur Hazakein (Baal Hatanya and Shulchan Aruch) and therefore a Reshus harabim is not in existence in our present time. 2. There are those that cause conflict and confusion about Eruvin, but its… Read more »
Different place, different halacha
The Rebbes letters on this subject are clear, unequivocal and widely circulated…. do a basic Google search and you will see a trove of letters. Aside for the fact that every Rav in crown heights strongly maintain that this eiruv is not halachacly kosher and those that use it are desecrating Shabbos… anybody that considers themselves a chosid, regardless of what the halacha is would not use this eiruv because of the Rebbe’s strong opposition to an eiruv in Crown heights. The confusion expressed in the comments, behooves the editors of this site to publish the Rebbe’s opinion on this… Read more »
Did a google search couldn’t find any letters
But its hard to keep a toddler stuck inside all shabbos in beautiful weather. You dont have to accept the eiruv while also not judging those with no backyards or porches in buildings where even the windows face another building.
What happened at 770?
Oh yknow… just some casual tear gas being sprayed, ignoring directions of police officers, seats that anash pay for being thrown out. Just typical -guest- in-a-different-city behavior.
No need for concern
I don’t rely on the crown heights eruv but on the Brooklyn eruv endorsed by R Tzinner
Was thought put into the fact that a large part of CH use the eruv.
Brooklyn eruv or CH eruv.
I don’t see how we can tell such a large portion of our community that they are Mecalael Shabbos.
Something is off that a reason why and how the Eruv is Treif is not clearly written in the notice.
It’s a small minority.
For every mom you see pushing a stroller in shabbos there’s a hundred moms not using the eruv, and guess what, you can’t see them cos they’re sitting at home.
“Large part of CH” doesn’t need to mean “majority of CH”. CH is KA”H big enough that even “the small minority” that use the Eruv, is a significantly large amount of families
I can understand why the Badatz should be consulted on the CH eruv. No question about it.
However there is a Brooklyn Eruv which has the Hechser of many Brooklyn rabonim and Dayonim.
The Brooklyn Eruv is not under the CH specific jurisdiction. So not sure why they will publicly say it can’t be used in Brooklyn.
mass chilul hashem in the rebbes shul on rosh hashana and this is what we are worried about?!
again: literally violence – in a shul – in the rebbes shul – on rosh hashana!! not a single letter!!
Not sure how I’m supposed to explain to my daughter that this was once a holy place.
How would a letter help?
Please tell the whole story. I don’t think I even want to know.
Rabbi Braun put out several statements about the incidents in 770.
Enough with this nonsense “the rov can’t oppose the eiruv because there were incidents in 770”
Teshuva,Teshuva, Everyone in Chabad should begin reviewing and re-studying halacha, starting with tzeniut. HaShem yirachem
I have no issues with Eruv’s and use them in other neighborhoods. However in crown heights I do not. As Rebbe’s was against it in his neighborhood and the local rav’s say no. So for me personally I won’t. I try not to judge but because of the reasons above I do find it a little disconcerting when I see someone using it. But I also believe we all have to live in our own skins and make personal decisions.
“וְעָשִׂיתָ עַל-פִּי הַדָּבָר, אֲשֶׁר יֹאמְרוּ לְךָ; מִן-הַמָּקוֹם הַהוּא, אֲשֶׁר יִבְחַר יְהוָה, וְשָׁמַרְתָּ לַעֲשׂוֹת, כְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר יוֹרוּךָ” (דברים יז
We should listen to Rabbonin regardless of our “feelings”
So what about the Chabad Rabbonim who say the Brooklyn Eruv is Kosher L’mehadrim? Can’t we listen to them regardless of your kano’us feelings?
I’m eagerly awaiting proof that the rebbe was against it.
So don’t use the Crown Heights Eruv. Use the Brooklyn Eruv. The new Brooklyn Eruv is only a few years old and did not exist before Gimmel Tammuz
When is the 3rd member of beis din going ro be appointed
לכבוד הרבנים שליט״א, הנני פונה אליכם מתוך צער גדול על חילול השם הנורא שנעשה בבית רבינו שבבבל, 770, בימי ראש השנה ולפניו. עניין זה חמור עד למאוד, כאשר במקום אשר הוא מרכז ההפצה והקדושה של דורנו, נעשים מעשים הפוגעים בכבוד התורה ובקדושת בית הכנסת. ידוע לכולנו גודל קדושת המקום, ושחובה עלינו למסור נפשנו לשמור על כבודו. ובפרט כאשר קמו יחידים אשר הוציאו את הספסל ממקומה בלא רשות, וגרמו לחרדה ולבהלה בין אנ״ש – אין זו אלא מעשה של טרור ופגיעה בציבור כולו. ובכן, בעת שהנכם עוסקים בעניינים צדדיים, כענין העירוב, אשר כל מטרתו אינה אלא להסיט את הדיון מהבעיות האמיתיות… Read more »
אפשר כבודו יכול להסביר איך הוצאת ספסלים (זה איסור גזל? מקסימום) ע״י קבוצת בחרים חמור יותר מאיסור הוצאה בשבת ויום כיפור של מאות ( !) לא עלינו
Why are all pretending the rabbanim weren’t mocheh when they were!?
I don’t use the eruv as rabbonim said but i think there should be an exception for mothers and babies just like on pesach i dont eat any products but let my little kids eat them
You don’t let them eat treif right?
Chilul shabbos is very different then chumros on pesach
I’m not mixing into what the Rebbe said or didn’t say.
The beis din (having been elected by the community [I’m specifically ignoring politics of this aspect]) has the right to make decisions on behalf of the community.
Whether you like it or not, they represent the community and have provided clarity.
It’s better to have an answer than be stuck in the void of what happened before this.
There is only two ppl
They are not a beis din
Let’s assume they elect a 3rd member, it won’t negate what what they’ve stated.
I’m not attacking you by saying the follow, it’s an observation.
If going out and carrying on shabbos is something that you prioritize, then the solution seems to be to move somewhere that would allow you to do so.
We have to assume that the Rebbe accounted for mother’s like yourself that feel stuck and I can empathize with you.
Can we use the Brooklyn Eruv?
Let the CH Rabbonim talk about the Chrown Heights Eruv, and we’ll use the Brooklyn Eruv
I don’t know if it’s such a smart move to encourage crown heights families to shop somewhere else if they use the Eruv. (Which I personally don’t use but many of my customers do).
Life is hard as it is. Do we want to be that type of community? Everyone else’s chabad house kids are welcome to come visit our stores and restaurants… we just won’t do business with our own neighbors…..
Seems like you misunderstood the reference in the beis din letter and that others are confused why this is being addressed now
Many stores in crown heights have a screen in their front windows that displays an assortment of ads… lately, one of the ads is a promotion of the CH eiru, it is misleading and can be understood as an endorsement by the store owner. In addition, this website has also been running this ad which they removed (i would assume due to the beis din letter). Hope this clarifies
please stop advertising the eiruv. The Beis Din is our Beis din, and it has authority over us. It is a mitzvah to listen to them (Parshas Shoftim), even if we disagree halachicly.
Good Shabbos and good yahr!
Our Rabbonim need to focus on the real issues in our neighborhood. We need to make sure our young generation respects our Rabbonim, as such they have no right to keep on posting negativity about the Eruv, that is clearly kosher. For those that don’t want to use it, that’s their right and for those that do, that’s their right. We have bigger issues in CH Stop telling the Hoodlums that stole seats in 770 that they are not Yotzei with Tekios, clearly they don’t care, or they wouldn’t have behaved the way you they did. Report them and deport… Read more »
Some things are the job of askanim and some are the job of the Rabanim.
The rabanim made their opinion very clear on what happened in 770. Not quite sure what else you want from THEM.
B”H Dear Rabbonim, First, let me state clearly: I do not use the eruv in Crown Heights, and anyone who knows me is aware of my longstanding position on this matter. I am not here to debate the merits or demerits of the eruv in Crown Heights itself. Rather, I wish to raise several questions that I believe are important for consideration, especially given the far-reaching impact of your recent letter. It is undeniable that there are great Rabbonim who have given a hechsher on various eruvin throughout New York, Rabbonim whom the Rebbe himself considered highly respected. There is… Read more »
I really really hope someone with power reads this.
You’ve very skillfully managed to turn this topic on its head. For starters, the beis din letter is in response to a recent huge PR push to promote the eiruv and make its use mainstream. There was an ad published in the local circular, this website and on screens in many stores in crown heights. For the majority in Crown heights that try to follow the Rabbonim, this campaign was extremely misleading… your outrage should be directed at those behind the campaign…the beis din has an obligation to set the record straight. If one were to follow your argument to… Read more »
We are not reforming Judaism for your feelings
This is exactly what the letter states, so you will not let your children marry their children, you will not have non mevuzal wine in your home and if they are the only witness to an act that will help you, you willl not use them.
You are either an imbecile or a fake, phony and a fraud .
Please publish this comment as an op-ed response.
The Rabbinim Paskened unequivocally that it’s assur. That’s their Job.
They are not politicians and they are not Campus shluchim they are not here to protect people’s feelings.
I’m sure if the men had to stay home and watch the kids all day while the woman go to shul, things would be very different. The double standard is out of hand.
Rabbi Braun and Crown Heights Rabbonim should focus on more important things!! So many more important things to address. I dont understand. Moshiach now!! Im sure itll come with this bashing of a kosher eiruv in crown heights. Or with forcing woman to stay home 24 hours of the week, while the men “schmooze” in shul.
The Rabbonim made their psak in accordance with halacha.
If it’s אסור, that doesn’t change based off of the gender of the person using the eiruv.
Should a woman be rov, baal koreh, mohel, sofer, etc., because otherwise it would be a “double standard?”
What you’re proposing already exists. It’s called reform Judaism.
The rabbonim have no right to call thousands of Jews michalel shabbos because they don’t agree with it. Tons of rabbonim hold of an eiruv in Brooklyn. Is everyone who follows the chazon ish being michalel shabbos? We live in a democracy. Arguing is fine. You can agree to disagree.
Don’t quote moshe fenstein when you go against his words by calling out other yidden.
My point isn’t anything close to Reform Judaism. But it’s to make you think. It’s not black and white.
They are the elected rabbonim of this community. They decide if it’s kosher for anash in Crown Hieghts to use.
If they say it’s not kosher then your not allowed to use it.
That is the point of a beis Din.
I personally don’t and have never used the eruv. This has little impact on my life as a male, it just means i have to sweat in my talis and cant walk with a coffee on shabbos. My wife on the other hand, cannot go anywhere with an infant. The lack of sun is affecting her mental health. The loneliness is affecting her mental health. I get that the chassidish thing is not to use the eruv, but having such an ironclad and draconian approach has real life consequences for certain populations. The rabbanim just saying “asur” when it is… Read more »
Why don’t you stay home and offer to watch your baby in the afternoon so your wife can go for a walk or visit a friend?
Alternatively, people have babysitters so they can go to work, if the mental health is crucially important, get a babysitter on Shabbos too
That’s what I do. I stay home with the kids in afternoon so my wife can go out for a couple of hours. Not a big deal.
A woman’s lack of sun for a day affects her mental health?
This comment is ridiculous. The lack of sympathy and understanding of how much a woman goes through. I personally was told by a Rov (not a ch Rov but a respected veteran Chabad Rav) that as a mother of many young children I must get out in the sun daily and no I didn’t write
the above comment. I don’t use the eruv but I completely understand the person who wrote the comment.
It’s a halachic issue, not a chassidishness issue….
This is why you need a personal rav with which you can discuss personal issues
The eruv ad that was up for the last couple weeks is suddenly removed I see
Kudos to col for removing the ad
1) Aguch refusing 770 to be expanded and remodeled so guests and bochurim could have space and the Rebbe’s Shul would be bekovod. It’s overdue 30+ years. 2) Our community becoming Modern Orthodox which brings such a lack of tznius on our streets and the whole Eruv question, going against the Rebbe’s wishes and the local Beis Din. Where is the respect for our Rebbe and our Rabbanim? Bottom line: 1) We are one community. Whether we say Yechi or not, we need the Rebbe’s Shul to be expanded and repainted, treated with the honor it deserves. 2) Our community… Read more »
Right. Ofc. The fighting in 770, stealing the rebbes chair, stealing peoples paid for seats, punching people, breaking walls, throwing benches, is only because of aguch not expanding 770.
Maybe if Israel expanding Gaza Hamas would lay down their arms?
Can we have a list of chabad rabonim who support the Eruv and its use.
There are many rabonim in chabad and if the eruv was supported by rabonim that would bring credibility (if there those that do).
The support on the eruv website is from rabonim who are deceased
They don’t support it.
They don’t publicly support it.
Here you will find some of teh Chabad Rabbonim who publicly support the Brooklyn (not CH) Eruv:
https://www.brooklyneruv.com/rabbinic-letters/
. I am wondering why the Rabbonim have not addressed the matter of Ahavas Yisroel (love for fellow Jews), which the Rebbe emphasized so strongly. Additionally, why is there no discussion about the very high cost of housing, whether buying or renting, which is extremely challenging for families and surely not something the Rebbe would be happy about? The issue of high tuition fees at educational institutions also seems largely unmentioned, even though it places a heavy burden on many parents. Personally, I do not have family nearby for support, and I have, Baruch Hashem, young children. It is very… Read more »
All the people in power,rabbonim included,do not face the poverty challenge and so they cannot relate. They may think they can understand, they may even regard themselves as not being financially well off ,but they dont get it. So many donations to less important organizations….
You obvioulsy have no idea what financial challenges some of the CH Rabbonim face.
They’re in it like the rest of us.
To tell our teenagers erev shabbos shuva that an עירוב that hundreds of thousands of not a million erliche yidden are being mechaleh shabbos is at best the equivalent to a fatwa at worst the worst form of לשון הרע which is a sin of בין אדם לחבירו good luck with that on Yom Kippur And good luck with our teenagers who already have so much on their plate Please rabonim STOP You have the right to say what ever you want want but how many גזירות did our נביאים not implement because they knew the people couldn’t follow it… Read more »
I would not be so cavalier with an issur D’oraisa..this is NOT a hashkafa thing to ask a mashpia your talking about actual chilled shabbes one of the asres hadibros. People need to wake up here
There is a kosher Eruv! The Rebbe didn’t want one in CH. THAT is the issue! It doesn’t mean people are being mechalel Shabbos!
Why are so many comments complaining that the rabbanim are making such a big deal out of this while there are “bigger issues”? Oh please, It’s just a letter.
And besides, chilul shabbos is indeed a “big issue”.
Crown heights is a place on Google maps with 150 mini communitys and class shuls that are enjoying ther own program ther is no Crown heights single community with any one in power or respected that’s the current reality
The Rebbe keeps Crown Heights as one Shchuna, calls it Kan Tzivo H’ Es Habrocho
We all want to be under that Brocho umbrella, no one wants to exclude themselves as a separate pocket ch”v
And smell the coffee
Crown heights is not one community as much as you want to believe it is. People living 2 streets from each other don’t know each other
It’s blesst with 150 successfull mini community’s
Let’s keep bringing up other issues that need to be dealt with. Torah says follow the Rabonim. No one asked you to open a shulchan aruch or to look into the Rebbe’s opinion. It’s irrelevant to all ppl in ch after the local rabonim have made their opinion clear. Going against the local beis din is worse than carrying on Shabbos. It’s undermining Torah. It is possible that the eruv endorsed by chassidishe rabonim would technically be kosher if there was no local beis din. But there is. And there’s only one in ch so their ruling is binding. And… Read more »
If some Rabbonim say it’s Kosher and some say it isn’t, what’s your source that you must follow the Rav who happens to live in your town? And what if you don’t live in CH and just visiting? Can you follow your own local Rav? And whatever you answer, with a source please, not hergesh and assumption.
B”H
In Germany many people disgarded laws that they felt were out of touch and inconvenient.
Let’s not do what is convenient. Let’s do what is right. Even if you can’t see the blessings, they are coming to you. Ask to see the Rebbe’s letter on the Crown Heights eiruv to help yourself understand the issue.
Moshiach now!
Thank you Rav Osdoba and Rav Braun shlita for putting out this letter. I was becoming bothered that this Crown Heights Eruv was being publicized on Collive and other store fronts on Kingston ave. What fellow yidden do on Shabbos is up to them and Hashem but all our rabbonim came out against this eruv, including Rav Schweii, zl. It was one of the few things they came together on before peace was made amongst the Rabbonim. Some may not like the psak and we may feel that they fought for so many years so why should we listen to… Read more »
כבוד הרבנים שליט״א,
די להטפל אל מבקשי העירוב, ולהסיח את הדעת מעניינים צדדיים! הגיע הזמן ליתן דעתכם על העניינים האמיתיים – על מצב בית רבינו שבבבל, 770, אשר נהפך להפקר עד שאין שום שליטה וסדר, וכל אחד עושה בו כטוב בעיניו.
הלא תראו ותשפטו בעצמכם: הרבנים שותקים, ובינתים מתרחשים מעשים חמורים הפוגעים בקדושת המקום ובכבוד התורה. וכי עד מתי תמתינו? וכי לא מוטלת עליכם החובה לקום כגוף אחד וליטול הנהגה אמיתית לשמור על בית ה’ ועל שלומו של הציבור?
“מה אתם יושבים ואינכם עומדים על כבוד שמים?!
The Rabbonim put out statements on both
לא נכון
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What about eiruv for 2 houses together?
Maybe put 4 too like?
What about just 1 street
President st for the orchim suka example
What about 2 street together.
What about 4
Maybe do like a few small eurivim
Idea?
We need to ask Rav Malkiel Kotler what he thinks
My wife is not from a Chabad family and we live in Crown Heights. We use the eiruv. 2 weeks ago on shabbat a very very very well known Eltere Chossid saw us and screamed at me “Sheigitz” in front of my wife and kids. At the very least this was הלבנת פנים ברבים. While I laughed it off, my wife was taken aback and deeply offended. As an outsider who joined Chabad in marriage, this made a very negative impression of the community we call home.
How disgusting of that chossid to do that !
Your perspective isn’t a Torah one.
Whther or not the eltere chosid was meant to scream at you isn’t theissue. You were being mechalel shabbos and that’s a very serious issue.
The local rabonim made it clear THERE IS NO ERUV.
They didn’t say not to use an existing eruv they don’t want you to use.
Whether he carries or not isn’t your issue, shaming someone publicly is your issue. (You also ignore the fact that other prominent local Rabonim say that the Brooklyn Eruv is 100% Kosher L’miahadrim, like the esteemed Rabbi Tzinner. Rabbi Tzinner is a Brooklyn Rav as much as Rabbi Braun is a Brooklyn Rav. So when the non-Chabad woman of that comment followed the Brooklyn Rav Rabbi Tzinner, you are calling her a Mechalel Shabbos??)
let’s focus on bigger issues, e.g. smart toilets are growing in popularity, many people don’t realize the flush uses electricity…
In Lakewood, Reb Aharon ZTL Paskened that there cannot be an Eiruv across Route 9, and Ad Hayom Hazeh there is no eiruv across route 9. Many block Eiruvs, or small neighborhood Eiruvs but nothing across Route 9.
ואנן מה נענה אבתריה?
On that note, if the mothers and children need to get out, why not make block Eiruvs?
+1 for small multi-block Eruvs
B”H
Because the Rebbe said no eiruv in Crown Heights.
But ask your Rov
You are actually incorrect
My ruv confirmed the Rebbe never said that
The Rabbonim should write a letter that you can’t touch your beard.
If you google his name, nothing comes up except for the Eruv. If you google Mishmeres Haeruv Lakewood. Also no results.
I have read all comments to this bery hot debatable subject. I lived in CH years ago when thinhs were very different. When the Rebbe was there physically, it was different. But even then some things occured which turned me off from living in CH etc Let us ask ourselves a simple question: Does all this infighting bickering, lack of respect for Rabbonim, violence and open Chilul Hashem on Rosh Hashana in the Rebbe,s shul No respect for older people…all doing what they want … saying what they want etc. brinh any respect to the Rebbe, to the Community, to… Read more »
Elections for rabbonim were held back in 80’s under the directives of the rebbe. The rabbonim today are no different than the those of back in the 80’s. If you are a true chossid of the rebbe, then you obey what the rabbonim say, regardless of how you feel about the situation. I’m sure you know about the story with the chicken. If the Rov says it kosher, then it is kosher. I know there are other important things to address and this is also important issue. Let’s listen to the rabbonim and there will be peace between us. Gmar… Read more »
They should not be yotze with Shaffer too
Every time an issue is adressed people kvetch ‘why don’t they focus on bigger issues’? Pathetic response- there will always be bigger issues in life and that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t adress anything. Besides that keeping shabbos is pretty important. 2- why are the rabonim for the eruv not signing their names ? Understood that they should be embarrassed of themselves but a kosher sign means nothing without a name behind it. Would u buy a bag of chips that just said ‘kosher’ with no name/hechsher? Going out of their way to advertise but no name doesn’t look good. And… Read more »
Well it would be so nice for my husband to stay home and watch our kids so I could go out – My elderly mother cannot just leave her Walker at home, she cannot forgo her cane, and this attitude completely negates the children who need assistance while getting who rely on a stroller and traps people at home and it’s isolating! Why should my mother not get to go to Shul? Because she’s not supposed to use an Eruv?
The halacha is that someone who needs a cane their cane is considered a third leg. Go speak to your rabbi your mother is likely allowed to “Carry” her cane on shabbos without an eruv
We don’t have any family here, and we live far from 770 or Kingston Ave/Albany. I’m home all day with the little kids, and we don’t even have a backyard. Even during the summer, we’re still here in Crown Heights. With rent so high, I can’t afford to live within walking distance of a shul, so the kids and I are stuck at home. My husband has his social life, but the kids don’t even have a simple kids’ program or anything that would give me an hour of relief. How is this fair? It’s not. I dream of renting… Read more »
Move out to the Boston Jewish community. If you can afford to even live near crown heights, just move to Brighton/boston and have a yard and community.
Those who choose to carry are relying on respected rabbonim, both within Chabad and among leading poskim outside of Chabad. Using terms like “חוטא ומחטיא” is not right — Beis Shammai and Beis Hillel never spoke that way to each other, and it’s certainly not the Rebbe’s way. Everyone’s situation is different, and for some families an eruv — a basic element of Jewish life — is an absolute necessity. What we need is ahavas Yisroel and compassion, not judgment. Perhaps our rabbonim would be wise to consider the impact their words have on youth and on those already struggling… Read more »
Let’s vote on it. Also what does the vaad hakohol say about this ?
Most of the vaad hakoel would like for the eruv as it will help the community.
and then people wonder why crown heights is where it is…
kesiva vachasima tova!