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Boys Snatch Child’s Yarmulka

2 black boys snatched a yarmulka off the head of a Jewish boy on Monday morning; police took them into custody. Full Story

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LevyNo kiddingGrand larceny?Confused Comment #1 and #5 have no problem with hate crimes. How sad. Recent comment authors
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Levy
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Levy

Grand larceny? That must have been a very expensive yarmulke!

No kidding
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No kidding

Their mom (another ABW) must be seething! First they get denied for an apartment (“because you Jews won’t even rent to us”) now her poor child gets in trouble for snatching a yarmulke? Keeping the black man down in America…

Grand larceny?
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Grand larceny?

Is that correct?

Grand larceny?
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Grand larceny?

Why aren’t they charged with a hate crime.

Confused
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Confused

Is this article accurate? What they did was cruel at worst, stupid at best. Do they really deserve a criminal record over this though? I don’t see how throwing the book at two 12 year olds will do anything for our community’s relationship with our neighbors. Plus grand larceny as the charge doesn’t even make sense. This seems more like petty theft or hate crime to me…

Comment #1 and #5 have no problem with hate crimes. How sad.
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Comment #1 and #5 have no problem with hate crimes. How sad.

It’s not the item’s money value that’s the issue here. A antisemitic hate crime was committed and a victim has been traumatized. If our neighbors” care about good relations they’d stop preaching antisemitic hate to their kids all the time.

To #1 "Levy"
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To #1 "Levy"

Your snarky sarcasm is very selfish. I hope you’re not the victim of such a hate crime one day whereupon your lowlife attitude will change very quickly.

perfect
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perfect

get them scared to do crime at a young age maybe they will control themselves in the future

To #5 "Confused"
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To #5 "Confused"

What are you “confused” about exactly? Antisemitic criminals need to be punished for victimizing and/or traumatizing someone.
Something about that you disagree with?

Fact check
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Fact check

Who is fact-checking these articles? Grand larceny constitutes property exceeding $1,000 in value. Do you actually believe an eight year old was walking around wearing a $1,000 yarmulka? Not to mention the fact that, if true, entering the two older boys into the penal system for a mean-spirited but legally insubstantial offense only breeds anger, distrust, financial hardship, and potentially actual crime down the road. How many of you didn’t play a prank or even take something that wasn’t yours as a child? Were you arrested and charged with a crime for it? Have some sense.

Ahavas yisroel
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Ahavas yisroel

Let’s see more Ahava’s yisroel in the comments sections in the comment sections on COL. We can only be an example for the next generation if we learn to argue and disagree respectfully and kindly, with love.

Snarky commentors: keep your dribble to yourself!
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Snarky commentors: keep your dribble to yourself!

Just thank Hashem it wasn’t your child that was victimized.
I hope no one else becomes a victim to any kind of crime.

Result of black antisemitic hate that's constantly preached
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Result of black antisemitic hate that's constantly preached

If everyone in Crown Heights voted we’d be able to pressure the politicians to pressure black “leaders” to put an end to it.
No one in Crown Heights votes, so look in the mirror and blame yourself everyone.

Antisemitic hate diet
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Antisemitic hate diet

That’s what their children are constantly fed.
Any wonder this is the result?

To #9
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To #9

1. Why grand larceny was the charge for a yarmulke that was presumably not expensive
2. I didn’t say they didn’t deserve punishment. But I don’t think twelve year olds deserve a criminal record with a heavy charge. If you believe children should be punished so harshly, that’s your business.

We need more parents or babysitters in the mornings and afternoons
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We need more parents or babysitters in the mornings and afternoons

I see many young children walking to and from school by themselves. Unfortunately with this situation and others, I really think we need to have younger children walking in groups and/or with escorts at all times. 8 is very young to be out alone.

GRAND LARCENY PENAL CODE
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GRAND LARCENY PENAL CODE

You all write about things you don’t know. According to the NY Penal Code Article 155.30:

Grand Larceny in the 4th Degree

A person is guilty of grand larceny in the fourth degree when he steals property and when:

5. The property, regardless of its nature and value, is taken from the
person of another

If something is stolen directly from or off a person it qualifies as grand larceny regardless of the value of the object.

community service
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community service

these kids just need community service. prejudice comes from not knowing who you hate only rumors.

Nothing will happen to them. The DA will make sure of that.
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Nothing will happen to them. The DA will make sure of that.

Do you vote? No? So thank you for this.

The children will be let free
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The children will be let free

I wonder why…

The District Attorney will not charge these punks
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The District Attorney will not charge these punks

Because he doesn’t care about “petty” crimes against us.
If everyone in Crown Heights voted he would care.

They will not be prosecuted
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They will not be prosecuted

They’ll be sent right back to their parents.
They don’t care about these kinds of crimes against Jews.

To #5 & #15
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To #5 & #15

I believe children should not even dream of doing such crimes against people from other communities (Jewish kids would never). The only way for that to happen is if there are deterrents.
If you disagree that’s your business.

to #5/#15
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to #5/#15

There has to be deterrents so this can never happen again.
If you disagree that’s your business.

Facts
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Facts

For those who were confused or wondering, the boys were charged with grand larceny because they stole a religious article. It didn’t qualify as a hate crime because they only laughed and didn’t say anything hateful. The purpose of arresting them is to deter more such behavior from them or their peers. Instead of being the cool kids who got away with the yarmulka they are now in trouble. They won’t get serious punishment. It’s meant to shake them up. My sympathies are with the young children who live in fear and not with the culprits. If we let them… Read more »

Did them a favor
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Did them a favor

They are probably bullies and pull these shenanigans all the time on their classmates. They went too far and thought they can play their games on random people in the street and now they will learn the hard way.

As I see it, we did their entire school a big favor. These kids will get disciplined and think twice before bullying people.

Alternative consequence
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Alternative consequence

Instead of giving them a record with punishment, why not have them read three age appropriate books about Jews and Jewish history, and write reports on them. Much more likely to bring about change. At 12 y.o., theses are children acting from ignorance and prejudice.

I used to teach
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I used to teach

In that school, MS 61. Many of the kids are wonderful and some are clearly headed in the wrong direction.

Yidden are a tough bunch, we’ve made it through quite a lot more than this. Hope the kid is alright and his parents used it as an opportunity to teach him well. Hope the little black kids get on track.

Just my suggestion.
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Just my suggestion.

They should have been charged with a hate crime, and as a punishment made to do some kind of cimmunL functions with a Jewish organization perhaps, so they can get to relate and acknowledge that we are not that bad after all. But, the argument that they are just twelve years old, my son was held up at gun point by a twelve year old kid.

To #29
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To #29

I’m assuming you have not lived in this neighbor hood long or at all. They know we are ‘not that bad’, we don’t have to show them. In fact it’s precisely because they know that we don’t assault and intimidate and do violence that they feel brave enough to continually harass this community. A sad fact but it’s just the nature of the beast. I’m sure you mean well- but we have nothing to prove to anyone.

liberals
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liberals

if they attacked your son , you would be yelling and screaming. this 12 yrs old soon will be mugging and killing. throw the book now at them and hopefully they might have a shot in life. and by the way the larceny is getting off instead of a hate crime

to #28
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to #28

teach him what? self defense, so next time he knocks out those animals?

crown heights
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crown heights

I don’t think that these 2 12 year old new what they were doing

they thought it was funny he was waiting for the bus to go to school and they came along and took off his yammukah and laughed and thought it was funny and they ran off went to school. the point was that they cant get away with this we are entering the summer it taught them a lesson. and the rest of class when they went to arrest them.

Paralysis by Analysis
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Paralysis by Analysis

Chevra a mere 73 yrs ago they weren’t brown or black colored skin they wore Brown Shirts…..stop rationalizing hate

what grand larceny means legally in NY
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what grand larceny means legally in NY

A person is guilty of grand larceny in the fourth degree when he steals property and when: 1. The value of the property exceeds one thousand dollars;  or 2. The property consists of a public record, writing or instrument kept, filed or deposited according to law with or in the keeping of any public office or public servant;  or 3. The property consists of secret scientific material;  or 4. The property consists of a credit card or debit card;  or 5. The property, regardless of its nature and value, is taken from the person of another;  or 6. The property, regardless of its nature and value,… Read more »

#17 - still does not equal grand larceny
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#17 - still does not equal grand larceny

Post the whole statute. You think he was wearing a $100 kippah?

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