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Adams Names First Black Female NYPD Commissioner

Keechant Sewell of Long Island is expected to be announced as the new NYPD commissioner, the first female to hold that title on Wednesday morning. New York City Mayor-elect Eric Adams called her "a proven crime-fighter." Full Story

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YES!
December 14, 2021 11:06 pm

Love seeing a woman of color in a leadership role.

Correction
Reply to  YES!
December 15, 2021 11:01 am

Love seeing the most qualified person in a leadership role. Gender and race are the last reasons for putting the security and welfare of millions in one persons hands.

How about competent
Reply to  YES!
December 15, 2021 11:13 am

Who gives a d— about about race and gender!

What’s with these politicians choosing people for their race and gender. Am I supposed to be excited about this?

Perhaps she was chosen for her competence but all the headlines beg to differ. Touting her race and gender rather than her strength against crime

Should be a man
December 15, 2021 12:03 am

Even if she is very capable

Police and combat should be men’s territory

It is the way Hashem made the world

And I don’t think it’s healthy for a police force of mostly men, to be lead by a woman, as amazing as she might be

This is in line with the Hashkafos of the Torah

What?!
Reply to  Should be a man
December 15, 2021 6:04 am

Is this a real comment?

I think I’m going to be sick.

Well, yes
Reply to  What?!
December 15, 2021 3:02 pm

See, just because you’re not familiar with relevant Torah sources that say that men and women have different roles, and that the man’s is to “conquer” and dominate, doesn’t mean that the commenter is wrong. It means you have some learning to do.

No way
Reply to  Well, yes
December 15, 2021 3:44 pm

Are there really still people who think like this?

Men are supposed to conquer and dominate?

…. I’m actually in shock.

Please don’t ever participate in mivtzoiyim, you’re going to make secular Jews think that all religious Jews are misogynistic.

Yes, we still believe in the Torah
Reply to  No way
December 15, 2021 9:01 pm

Shocking, I know. Why, we’re supposed to believe in “liberalism” and “science” and so forth, not in the old-fashioned Torah.

Well, sorry, we don’t play that way. Doesn’t mean it would be the first thing we’d say on mivtzoim (and no one but you is pretending otherwise), but if you’re expecting that we falsify and deny Torah ideas because they’re not politically correct, then you’ve got another think coming.

Hold the phones
Reply to  Should be a man
December 15, 2021 6:32 am

Is it the 1950’s again and no one told me?

Why am I not in the kitchen slaving away to serve my husband and breeding a thousand babies!

As far as I know
Reply to  Hold the phones
December 15, 2021 3:03 pm

the Torah is a lot older than the 1950s, and its ideas – including that men and women have different roles, and that the man’s is to “conquer” and dominate, and the woman’s is not – are eternal.

Hahahahahahaaa
Reply to  Should be a man
December 15, 2021 6:35 am

hahahahahahahahahahahaaaa. Chauvinist alert!

Yes?
Reply to  Should be a man
December 15, 2021 9:58 am

Which hashkafos exactly? Please give a source

Start with
Reply to  Yes?
December 15, 2021 3:01 pm

Yevamos 65b, איש דרכו לכבש ואין אשה דרכה לכבש (a man’s way is to conquer, a woman’s is not).

Then look at Rambam, Hilchos Melachim 9:14: ולא תדון אשה להם (a woman should not be a judge [even] for non-Jews).

Huh?!
Reply to  Start with
December 15, 2021 4:37 pm

We don’t pasken on a gemara or Rambam. Besides, NYC is subject to the 7 mitzvos of Noach not 613 mitzvos.

In western countries, the military reports to the President/Prime Minister. Golda Meir, Angele Merkal, and Margret Thatcher are better sources here if you want to look specifically at how women as the top leader of a nation performed.

head of a nation vs head of army/police
Reply to  Huh?!
December 15, 2021 5:40 pm

they are not the same

Sorry, try again
Reply to  head of a nation vs head of army/police
December 15, 2021 7:26 pm

“A woman may not be a judge” is not “a head of a nation” either. The point is that positions far below “head of state” aren’t meant for women.

Sorry, try again
Reply to  Huh?!
December 15, 2021 7:24 pm

The Gemara I quoted has many halachic implications, for example about pru urvu (which, by the way, there are opinions that that’s binding on Bnei Noach too).

The Rambam I quoted, if you’d bother looking it up, I’d specifically talking about the 7 laws of Bnei Noach.

As for women leaders’ practical performance: Golda Meir nearly got Israel annihilated (r”l) at the beginning of the Yom Kippur War. Merkel has presided over her country’s descent into anarchy, with attacks by “migrants.” So far that’s 2 out of 3 to the bad – not exactly confidence-inspiring.

Curious
Reply to  Sorry, try again
December 15, 2021 10:28 pm

How do you explain Devorah Haneviah?

Answer to Curious
Reply to  Curious
December 16, 2021 8:04 am

Tosafos to Yevamos 45b address this, and offer two answers. One is that she didn’t actually judge the people, just instructed the judges what do do. The second is that there was a specific command from Hashem at that time to accept her as a judge.

And!
Reply to  Curious
December 16, 2021 8:53 am

Esther! And Miriam! And Yocheved! And all Sara, Rivka, Rochel and Leah! All feminists.

What about them?
Reply to  And!
December 16, 2021 11:11 am

Esther was the queen. She had no power of her own. And she deferred to Mordechai’s leadership. Some “feminist.”

Miriam was a prophetess, and she led the women, not the men. Tell me, is this Sewell a prophetess?

Yocheved was the mother of Moshe. What about her? Did she lead the nation or any part of it?

Sara, Rivkah, Rochel and Leah were the wives of the Avos. Again, were they leaders of the nation, or judges, etc.?

Wow
Reply to  What about them?
December 16, 2021 12:08 pm

The lengths you’ll go to deny women’s strength in Tanach. Esther saved the Jewish people. Who do you think was in that palace doing all the work and risking her life? Miriam and Yocheved saved Moshe’s life. He wouldn’t have even existed had the two of them not been courageous enough to defy the law. And don’t belittle the pain and strength that goes into pregnancy and labor, and the absolute faith required to put your newly born baby into a basket and believe Gds going to look out for him. Yocheved was basically a superhero. What did the Avos… Read more »

Who's "denying"?
Reply to  Wow
December 16, 2021 2:57 pm

Yes, Esther saved the Jewish people. _By listening to Mordechai_, not by saying that I’m a feminist and I’ll decide on my own what to do. Yes, Miriam and Yocheved saved Moshe’s life. And? Did they step out of their women’s role – you know, the one mentioned upthread about not being the “conqueror” – to do that? Next: who’s “belittling” the pain of labor, etc.? That would be the typical feminist, for example the one upthread who claimed that there’s something wrong with “breeding babies.” Talk to her, please. The point is: of course these women were heroines. Of… Read more »

You asked for sources
Reply to  Huh?!
December 16, 2021 4:13 am

The other commentator provided…we might not pasken like the rambam but we can’t dismiss it either

Crown Heights 1
December 15, 2021 5:03 am

It should have been DEVORAH Helberstam!

She has the experience and knowledge.

Yay!!
December 15, 2021 6:34 am

Female power! This is what the future looks like!!

yes, females have power
Reply to  Yay!!
December 15, 2021 5:43 pm

just as men have power-each have their own special role
a woman never needs to be LIKE A MAN to feel she is important or has power, women don’t need women at the head of the police force to feel powerful

Good news!
December 15, 2021 7:11 am

It’s nice to see a woman of color up there.

is that why she was chosen?
Reply to  Good news!
December 15, 2021 5:46 pm

if yes, then it is not a good decision
we should not choose people because of things that have nothing to do with their job
color should have nothing to do with it, not for NOT having someone be chosen or for YES having someone be chosen
if someone is the best person for the job, that is who should be chosen

Craziness
December 15, 2021 8:18 am

The head of NYPD of the largest city in the United States should be chosen based on capability. experience, and qualifications, not based on skin color and because she is female. Btw I read that he chose her because he wanted a woman, even though she is inexperienced. I shudder at the consequences of this seemingly stupid decision, and yes policing is a man’s profession. Which policemen are going to feel confident having a woman as head of the department. Which citizens will feel safe with an inexperienced woman in charge of NYPD at a time that crime is at… Read more »

Disagree
December 15, 2021 9:14 am

Men haven’t been doing a great job!

2 points
Reply to  Disagree
December 15, 2021 5:49 pm

1-specific men not doing something well, doesn’t mean men as a whole
2-even more than anything is how the hands of the NYPD have been tied by De Blasio and cronies. Not to forget to mention how these same people have villified the NYPD as a whole

She will be great
December 15, 2021 10:09 am

Amazing that she is a woman of color. Here in Chicago where I live, we were blessed with an amazing woman of color, Lori leftfoot as mayor, and bless the science she is doing an amazing job.

Yep
Reply to  She will be great
December 15, 2021 11:50 am

767 people killed in Chicago this year (and the year ain’t even over yet). Such a bang-up job Leftfoot is doing for her fellow “people of color”…

Judging from our experiences in crown hts
December 15, 2021 11:03 am

I can only hope this will not be more of a problem than a solution.

Berel
December 15, 2021 11:11 am

WOW!

No kidding. Who would of thought? This is great news. We need to mark this day somehow. Historical!

great news
December 15, 2021 12:48 pm

women tend to be more empathy so this is good in a role like this and as NYC is majority people of color the population will relate to her more than the current Irish fellow, so good choice.

empathy vs gevura WITH EMPATHY
Reply to  great news
December 15, 2021 5:52 pm

which kind of cop would you like coming to help you

either way, no one is saying that she is not a wonderful officer, but asking more if a woman should head the police and questioning if she was chosen mainly because of her gender and color, and then subsequently asking if indeed she was chosen for those reasons, then one must ask if the best possible candidate was chosen

Tough on crime
December 16, 2021 4:08 am

Eric promised to be tougher on crime so maybe this pick will make it easier for his reforms to be accepted

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