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When “Learn Tanya” is a Solution And When It Isn’t

Crown Heights psychologist Yitzchok Wagshul responds to the discussion on COLlive about what forms of therapy fit frum Jewish people. Full Story

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The Commenter
January 25, 2026 6:51 pm

Thank you for your words. They are very clear and easy to understand, and I hope they will be helpful for those in need. 🙂

Goes to show
January 25, 2026 7:25 pm

How effective a piece of writing that WAS NOT written by AI can be.
Every sentence is present, healthy and REAL.
Thanks, very important article

Agree
Reply to  Goes to show
January 25, 2026 8:51 pm

Thanks. Great article, great points informative to everyone, and no fluff. Thank you

Such an important response!
January 25, 2026 7:26 pm

Kudos, Dr. Wagshul. The importance of seeking treatment ONLY from a trained professional on the master’s or doctoral level AND from a licensed professional cannot be overstated! The community needs to know that there’s a critical difference between being licensed and being certified. A certification is meaningless; I license means not only that adequate training was achieved, but more importantly, that there is a state Board that is regulating the professional’s practice and that is there to PROTECT THE PUBLIC from malpractice. A “practitioner” with a certification lacks all of the above and the consumer lacks the protection of the… Read more »

Dovid
January 25, 2026 7:37 pm

Based on what you said, that it’s the relationship and compassion of the therapist that’s most important, perhaps a compassionate and caring mashpia will do wonders?
Why do people get so angry when that is suggested?

Moshich
Reply to  Dovid
January 25, 2026 7:51 pm

A mashpia can only help if he has the humility to say i don’t know and he sends you to someone who can help
Otherwise he is doing more harm than good

The Commenter
Reply to  Moshich
January 25, 2026 8:06 pm

You emphasize on good points. Speaking about points, you’re missing periods at the end of your sentences. 🙂

Don't miss half of the argument
Reply to  Dovid
January 25, 2026 9:17 pm

Explanation why mashpia is unlikely to help in the case of mental illness (even though there may be a slight chance) is in the article: mashpia without medical knowledge does not have proper tools to identify the problem and further would not know how to address it.
If a mushpa has a chemical imbalance in the body, well, let’s see how many people would learn Tanya in such a deep way it would change the chemical imbalance. Or better not see before it is too late

First hand experience
Reply to  Dovid
January 26, 2026 12:07 am

A Mashpia totally mucked things up with one of my children and it took years to bring back from the abyss. The mashpia was kind, caring, compassionate and a yurei shmayiim bit unfortunately thought they can help in a situation that was totally beyond their depth. My family nebech paid a huge price for this mistake while the mashpia moved along and learnt nothing from the experience.

Terrible
Reply to  First hand experience
January 26, 2026 6:32 pm

Can you share more details? Why couldn’t he help?

Misdirected
Reply to  Terrible
January 29, 2026 9:10 pm

As I can’t speak for the one who wrote this comment, I can though say that I’ve seen this as well, where a well known mashpia told my son when he was dealing with disturbing thoughts, that it’s all shtusim, he should be masiach daas. Another son that seeked guidance in personal improvement, was given a diagnosis and told to learn such and such a maimar. Bottom line, a bochur or anyone going through emotional or mental difficulties needs to get the right help by going to a professional trained in the specific area of issue at hand, and yes,… Read more »

Thank you
January 25, 2026 7:38 pm

Thank you, Rabbi Wagshul, for this article. As someone who has been in therapy for many years, with an amazing therapist who primarily works with frum clients, I can personally attest to how effective therapy can be. We discuss whatever I’m dealing with, and she always helps me identify practical ways to calm myself. Often, she’ll also suggest that I daven as part of that process. Your second-to-last paragraph was especially clear. It reminded me of a Tanya shiur by Rabbi Gordon, A”H, where he spoke about people using Tanya to combat sadness and other emotional struggles. He immediately added… Read more »

The Commenter
Reply to  Thank you
January 25, 2026 8:55 pm

Although I’m famously known for my analytic comments about grammar errors and deep-dived opinions of Collive articles, your comment really moved me since I sensed from your words you being someone that struggled in some areas but fought hard to be were you are today, and I applaud you for that! Thank you for being an inspiration, and keep being the amazing person that you are!

The commenter
Reply to  The Commenter
January 25, 2026 11:16 pm

Please change your title as you are taking my persona and people are confusing the two of us. Thank you for your understanding.

The Commenter
Reply to  The commenter
January 26, 2026 6:33 am

I understand your concerns, but I will always remain the mysterious Commenter. I haven’t seen you around since I started a year and a half ago (to which I admit I wasn’t as active until recently) which leads me to believe that you only took on the title to stir rivalry.

So many experts, so little movement.
January 25, 2026 8:15 pm

All these experts are weighing in here on COL, yet no one steps up to mitigate the one malignant thread which underlies a multitude of our communal woes. Mental health shortfalls are responsible for the many struggling individuals who roam the streets, walk the corridors, and disturb our mosdos because we punish the disruption rather than attempting to understand and resolve. Even the way we talk about community members with mental deficits, and I am not void of this fault, leaves us far from our capability to merit a community with unparalleled mental health and sense of safety for those… Read more »

The commenter
Reply to  So many experts, so little movement.
January 25, 2026 11:15 pm

I believe, you may be biting off more then you or other can chew. But that is just my humble opinion. Thank you – for reading

So many experts, so little movement.
Reply to  The commenter
January 26, 2026 9:30 am

Please explain what I bit off? I did not take on any initiative. Only included is an assessment that our community can do so much to improve mental health because of our great gifts and yet we do not. I would love to know what you think I bit off here. Further do you suggest we continue not to try improving in these areas because it is too difficult. That would hardly be in line with the Rebbe’s teachings. When did he ever say something is too difficult and not to try? Sources for that please.

Step into any public school
Reply to  So many experts, so little movement.
January 26, 2026 7:21 am

And find that nobody is immune to mental illness.

Shmaya Balberg, Republican District Leader
January 25, 2026 11:14 pm

Tanya is to the nefesh as healing (healer yedid veyira shamayim) is to a guf! As I was told when I asked in my only Yechidus when I asked what Tanya will accomplish for me. “Tanya will be for you a source for Torah and Yiras Shomayim”. Before Chanukah I slipped and fractured my humerus and after I prevailed with a surgeon to put the 2 pieces together (“rapoh yerapeh”) ,I now rely on Hashem’s miracle to actually mimush the cure. Rav Yitzchok, all the best!

Tanya
January 25, 2026 11:20 pm

The Alter Rebbe states clearly that you must have someone to explain it to you, say, a mashpiah that cares about you [the same way he, the Alter Rebbe, talked the Tanya to his own Talmidim], or, in more modern word, a therapist.

THANKS for your words, Dr. Yitzchok!
January 25, 2026 11:45 pm

Clear and concise. The Rebbe was clear too! No a”z, no syncretism (Avizrayhu d’avodah zora). I have written extensively about this as well as do workshops on breathwork as you have explained. Not the “BREATHWORK” that’s the vogue – Fast, activation – Holotropic-type breathwork. This hyperventillatory breathwork can bring people to different non-ordinary states of consciousness. It has to be monitored, and can be dangerous and have syncretic elements as well. THANKS AGAIN! Rus Devorah Wallen, LCSW, CIMHP

Healthy people shouldn’t meditate?
January 26, 2026 12:20 am

“and it was therefore inappropriate for an emotionally and psychologically healthy person to meditate in the manner discussed in the sichah.”
I understand that healthy people should primarily focus on accomplishing good things. But why shouldn’t a healthy person use meditation to MAINTAIN their emotional health?

Tried it last night
January 26, 2026 7:31 am

There was a session for women with someone who led breathing and visualization. Nobody came home cured of anything but I can see how it could be used as a helpful tool for anxiety. I didn’t detect anything non Jewish about it. The woman leading it first talked about Hashem being in control and not us.

The Commenter
January 26, 2026 7:57 am

Thank you for your kind words. Speaking of words, you’re missing a period after “CIMHP”.

Rebbetzin Yehudit Chana Chaya Mark
January 26, 2026 8:12 am

I am a former Art Teacher and since 1977 I have struggled with severe mental illness until recently. Mental Illness is know as a cursed situation for not living a completely pure Torah Observance as a baby, child, young adult and older adult. G-D does punish those who turn their back on H-m and choose alternative means of praying to treife gods or sadly, not praying at all. I am firm about this Yidden, After so many serious severe decrees and aveirahs G-D has most Mercifully and thankfully removed what was injuring our relationship for most of my early life… Read more »

The Rebbe would take issue with this statement.
January 26, 2026 9:21 am

“Although he said healthy people shouldn’t meditate, the Rebbe didn’t call for nonhealthy people to learn Tanya (and no one knew the benefits of Tanya like the Rebbe). Instead, he said they could meditate. They could learn Tanya once they were well enough for it to do them any good.” The implication here is that someone with mental illness should wait until they are healed to learn Tanya. I highly doubt the Rebbe would appreciate this statement. Of course Tanya will not heal their mental illness and therapy is needed. But that does not mean that a person should only… Read more »

You are right.
Reply to  The Rebbe would take issue with this statement.
January 26, 2026 2:02 pm

Thank you for pointing that out. I definitely did not mean it that way.
Best regards,
–Yitzchok Wagshul

Misinterpretation
Reply to  The Rebbe would take issue with this statement.
January 26, 2026 5:17 pm

I don’t think anybody understands the author that way. And I don’t think that was his intention.

Dr Wagshul's contact info?
January 26, 2026 2:31 pm

How do we find Dr Wagshul’s practice?

Dr. Wagshul's contact info:
Reply to  Dr Wagshul's contact info?
January 28, 2026 7:27 pm

Website: http://www.doctorwagshul.com
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 929-WAGSHUL (929-924-7485)

Mashpiim clueless on recognizing mental illnesses
January 26, 2026 4:20 pm

Mashpiim, often of high repute, often do not recognize mental illness, addiction, or personality disorders. As a result, when dealing with marriages acutely affected by mental illness, they often give well-meant but seriously inappropriate advice. Sometimes the other spouse does not know that their problematic spouse may need psychiatric evaluation and intervention. That makes the futility even worse, when the couple is only taking the mashpia route for help. For example, if the wife of someone with NPD (the real thing, not merely a “self-focused” spouse) follows the usual advice, “Treat him like a king and he will treat you… Read more »

What Dr Wagshul brings to mind..
January 27, 2026 12:46 am

I want to share something very personal: I was divorced a year before my oldest son’s bar mitzva. i moved somwhere else and trimmed my beard. bieng that my family was Chabad, and ex was surely strongly so. I was confused and advised in varied directions as to whether i should show up to his bar mitzva as my family had not seen me since i left, and my kids would become confused seeing me such, without my long traditional beard. i finally met up with a brilliant psychologyist who fully understood the ramifications, and the beard issues. He told… Read more »

Needs it's own Op-Ed
January 27, 2026 8:30 am

Several comments have been made in this and other threads on the issue that the community has an unacceptable degree of mental illness. Jews have been on the forefront of psychology but studies on the incidence of mental illness in Jews versus non Jews are mixed. Some show no correlation between Judaism and mental health disorders while others show that at least in the Orthodox community, there are more eating disorders and more alcoholism. The stereotype of the neurotic Jewish mother has either been determined to also happen in other groups or is not a mental illness. We definitely do… Read more »

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