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BH
January 1, 2024 12:32 am

A parnes

Anonymous
January 1, 2024 1:43 am

You are young and clueless. What we need is to take back jurisdiction of how our own local tax dollars are spent. Simply put we need honest and secure elections that we can audit and verify as thoroughly as the IRS controls us. And we need universal school choice, where each student is allocated the same amount in a designated account that will be left entirely up to the parents to spend only on their kids schooling as they deem fit with no government interference or strings attached. (Ie non of the you must poison your sick kids with the… Read more »

Halacha
Reply to  Anonymous
January 1, 2024 10:41 am

This has been practiced in every Jewish community in Eastern Europe.
It’s also in the Shulchan Oruch.

Yenem chochom
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 12:45 pm

Are you my Rov?

Halacha
Reply to  Yenem chochom
January 1, 2024 1:28 pm

Open a Shulchan Oruch

מה הקשר
Reply to  Yenem chochom
January 1, 2024 1:33 pm

He quoted Shulchan aruch

Anonymous
Reply to  מה הקשר
January 1, 2024 4:39 pm

You don’t get to read a shulchan aruch and then decide what someone else should do.
There’s general halacha and specific for the individual.
For you to volunteer what you own is commendable but to confiscate and redistribute from someone else is called theft and is against the shulchan aruch too.
So please go ahead read the shulchan aruch for yourself and be extra medayaik with every halacha like bitul torah loshon hara zman krias shma etc… Before you look to take from what belongs to others.

Halacha
Reply to  Anonymous
January 2, 2024 3:53 am

I didn’t set any policy but only quoted what I learned in the Shulchan Oruch.
If you have an issue with the words I wrote perhaps write a letter to the grave site of Yosef Caro, the author of the Shulchan Oruch.

good point
Reply to  Anonymous
January 2, 2024 1:19 pm

who?!
no one is forcing anyone to do anything. in sh”u it actually says, we force someone to give tzedaka if he is able to. everyone gains from this idea.

Anonymous
Reply to  מה הקשר
January 1, 2024 9:12 pm

The kesher is that you can’t give what was already stolen from you.
So stop the theft and people will have more to share with others that need.
Pretty simple

Halacha
Reply to  Anonymous
January 2, 2024 3:54 am

The Shulchan Oruch sees it differently and your argument is not with me but the Shulchan Oruch.
The irony of all this is that these taxes existed for 1900 years in the most impoverished communities.

The flu shot didn’t exist in EE
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 5:17 pm

No, the local cheder did not demand the students to be vaxxed.

Anonymous
Reply to  The flu shot didn’t exist in EE
January 1, 2024 9:27 pm

And the mothers were not expected to have babies AND go to work

Halacha
Reply to  Anonymous
January 2, 2024 3:55 am

We’re speaking actually about the most impoverished communities in history

Halacha
Reply to  The flu shot didn’t exist in EE
January 2, 2024 3:55 am

I really don’t understand the connection here but whatever

good point
Reply to  Anonymous
January 2, 2024 1:17 pm

yes maybe, but its not a contradiction. we can have both. askanim are working on “your” idea of school choice, will it ever happen? who knows, but a communal tax would be a good idea like it always was in the shtetal.

Anonymous
January 1, 2024 1:51 am

We are in an abusive relationship with our government and it got so bad that the parasites are killing the hosts they depend on to exist.
That’s the 30000 feet view.
But yes we can keep ignoring the elephant in the room until we are destroyed.

Anonymous
January 1, 2024 2:04 am

Times have changed
We all are desperately trying to make ends meet.
Unless you are super rich and make upwards of 250000 a year, you will not have enough to pay your tuition and bills to make ends and care for others in the community.
That’s the reality nowadays.
And the people in authority who supposedly run the community are comfortable or blissfully asleep and will never dare stand up for the people if it will ruffle some feathers.

Yungerman
January 1, 2024 2:27 am

And which king will get the job to collect these taxes AND make sure they’re distributed 100% properly?!?

I’m surprised COL gave space for this nonsense!

Halacha
Reply to  Yungerman
January 1, 2024 11:46 am

The Shulchan Oruch writes about what you term nonsense and every single Jewish community in Eastern Europe had this “nonsense” as well.

Anonymous
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 12:50 pm

They also had real men and real leadership who put the needs of the community first.
Will you arrange to bring that back too?
As of now we have way too many grifters in charge and an endless amount of passive and wimpy men.

Anonymous
Reply to  Anonymous
January 1, 2024 9:29 pm

Good times make weak men.
Weak men make hard times.
Hard times make strong men.

We just moved to stage 3

Stage 4
Reply to  Anonymous
January 2, 2024 1:24 am

Strong men make Good times.

Rinse, wash, repeat. History repeats itself.

And who
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 1:11 pm

Will collect it when we can’t even get on one page and respect our Rabbonim??

Yenem chochom
Reply to  And who
January 1, 2024 4:49 pm

I wonder why

This is a beautiful idea
January 1, 2024 3:49 am

The Shulchan Oruch actually has the dinim that apply for this. This existed in every single Shtetl in Eastern Europe. You can read about it in many memoirs and history books about Shtetl life. The taxes covered, among other things, housing, food and free medical care for the poor and the latter for everybody else. Some Shtetelach even paid the doctor’s full salary. To some, this may seem like a socialist agenda, but just remember that some of the good ideas Marxist Jews received from their own backyard. The new Jewish philosophy of charity being voluntary and not coerced is… Read more »

This is a beautiful idea
January 1, 2024 3:54 am

Whoever wrote this is a holy man.
Of course all Jews are holy, but this Jew is even holier.

Anonymous
Reply to  This is a beautiful idea
January 1, 2024 8:56 am

It’s always easy to decide how to spend someone else’s money for them. Especially when you have no idea how little they have to stretch to cover their own needs.
Super righteous.
Work for and spend your own money and then let’s see how generous you feel. Or tax the overburdened families some more until they crash.
Somebody has absolutely no idea how bad it is for the average working family of 4 kids and more

Read shulchan aruch
Reply to  Anonymous
January 1, 2024 9:40 am

You have no idea, shulchan aruch addresses that poorer people do have to give tzedaka, in fact are foolish if they give and then themselves have to ask for tzedaka. Obviously if we made a tax, we would follow shulchan aruch …

Halacha
Reply to  Anonymous
January 1, 2024 10:40 am

Taxes on the community are literally in the Shulchan Oruch.

Anonymous
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 9:09 pm

So is lo signov

May you be blessed
January 1, 2024 5:05 am

What a thoughtful person you are!

Enough!
January 1, 2024 6:01 am

Are you freaking kidding me? A community tax? We are taxed to our gills and the concept of taxes is absurd.

Besides, who would you trust to run such a program? Our American taxes are spent by corrupt officials to fund wars overseas and buy themselves extravagant lives. Local taxes would be no different.

Get your hands out of our pockets.

Yenem chochom
Reply to  Enough!
January 1, 2024 9:00 am

How about we get taxed less so we actually have a few extra dollars left over to share with others?

Community vs Shul
January 1, 2024 7:09 am

Crown Heights is not one community, it’s a collection of communities. BH there are close to 100 shuls in the greater CH area. Many Shuls have funds for their members. Be part of one and then people will help.

CH is too big to be “one community” like back in the shtetl. A community tax won’t work.

Great article for awareness but this already exist
January 1, 2024 8:37 am

There are many, many shuls, that have such things in place. Join a “community” shul and you will find what you are looking for.

Unificaiton
Reply to  Great article for awareness but this already exist
January 1, 2024 9:03 am

100% CH is like a city which is host to a huge group of communities. When someone is sitting shive or has a baby, there are food trains on WA groups, support etc. The people that fall through the cracks are those that dont necessarily belong to any specific group. In addition, those who daven at 770 or not part of specific community “shuls,” are indeed not part of these thoughtful “communities” and will fall through the cracks when hardships befall them. This needs attention. Isn’t this what the CH council is for? Dont they get central funds for this?… Read more »

The community tax should come from the collectors
January 1, 2024 9:01 am

If you want to collect money within the community for an outside cause you should need to pay taxes to the community fund.

Not fine the community itself.

Anonymous
Reply to  The community tax should come from the collectors
January 1, 2024 1:08 pm

Also we need to implement a vetting system for the many individuals that pose as Jews and shnor. The Rov does research, verifies the claim and gives out certificates in other communities. That way people aren’t being deceived by con-artists.

Crown Heights Chessed and other resources
January 1, 2024 9:11 am

If I’m not mistaken, there are a number of chessed organizations that are functioning and have major budgets. They are helping people and doing a good job of it. To start a ‘new’ organization, initiative or such would take away from them. These organizations provide food help with clothing, medical, simchas and household help to name a few. They are well run and cover most things that people need. In regards to housing help if people need the City helps with One shot deals, welfare and City vouchers which you can get assistance with at several places including but not… Read more »

The Great Reb Yoel
January 1, 2024 9:12 am

The schools should stop fundraising and have a central tuition fund. Then if people need scholarships they should apply there. The parents take those dollars to the schools. This helps keep the schools in check.
Or else its business as usual.

Good idea
January 1, 2024 9:13 am

This is a good idea. Also cuz the one in charge of distributing to those in need should verify if it is a true case. Many ppl are afraid to give cuz there are so many phonies.

Tzedoka
January 1, 2024 11:43 am

Because of social media we are deluged with organizations and people needing and asking for tzedoka. While all these cases are worthy and needed one can’t give to everything. And personally I give to whom and what I can. I will flat out say I will not contribute to a “community “ tax. As I said I give where and how much I can. We all have our personal places where we give our tzedoka and I am sorry if some people are left out but no one can tell me or force me to give more or to places… Read more »

Halacha
Reply to  Tzedoka
January 1, 2024 1:08 pm

The Shulchan Oruch says about people with your opinion, Koifin Oisoi, we coerce him to pay the taxes for the community.

Another one here
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 2:41 pm

Coerce the people on charge. Or the super rich.
It’s not nice what you say, go learn the halachos from the begining first

Is like the story of taxing the stomach (fasting) instead of taxing the eyes mouth (not looking wherr we are not suppossed to, talk bad things).
And besides that, you first have to have a complete functional beis din. Maybe start with that first.

Halacha
Reply to  Another one here
January 1, 2024 3:44 pm

Of course every man according to his means and the poor hardly pay.
Am haratzus is still a thing in Chabad apparently.

Anonymous
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 8:57 pm

Well that’s what’s happening already.
Instead this proposal will create a bureaucracy that will override the individual’s judgement.
Again who should get to decide every man according to his needs?
Compare the difference in spending from what you worked hard to earn yourself or the funds you took from someone else….

Anonymous
Reply to  Halacha
January 1, 2024 9:32 pm

Let’s make a deal
I’ll get to collect and spend the taxes
And you’ll be taxed according to my judgement
Then I’m on board with your approach.
All men are equal but some are more equal than others…

Yenem chochom
January 1, 2024 4:46 pm

We already pay this tax
It’s called tuition
And we can’t afford it

Tuition
Reply to  Yenem chochom
January 1, 2024 8:13 pm

Has nothing to do with helping someone who needs help

Yenem chochom
Reply to  Tuition
January 1, 2024 9:01 pm

Does your money grow unlimited on a tree?
All of mine goes to tuition and I got nothing left for you or even me.

Halacha
Reply to  Yenem chochom
January 2, 2024 3:58 am

Then you wouldn’t have to pay, or pay a negligible fee.
Remember that these laws were set up by our holy rabbis in the poorest communities, when actual starvation was a fact of life.

Anonymous
Reply to  Halacha
January 2, 2024 11:07 pm

I shouldn’t have to pay more than I have for tuition either. And the Rabbonim are responsible to help my child still attend yeshiva but they don’t get involved.
What guarantee will I have that this tax will be any different?

Anonymous
January 1, 2024 9:05 pm

Communism always fails because…
At some point one always runs out of spending someone else’s money…

good point
January 2, 2024 1:33 pm

just to point out because it seems people don’t understand correctly. imagine instead of paying 50k a year on tuition for your 6-10 kids, you would support the community school (like property tax) so an average child you spend a total of 60k in elementary and 60k in yeshiva = 120k x 8 kids = 960k. instead of paying it all in 20 years = 48k a year, you’ll pay it in 60 years (25-85) = 16k a year total tuition. this is just one example. imagine the community had a community owned chasunah hall, with all the necessary things… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  good point
January 2, 2024 11:28 pm

Property taxes are meant to pay for our kids education. How about we reclaim what rightfully belongs to us and use it for our kids?
We need school choice now!
That will free up 50k per person to support the poor.
And take away the gvt ability to use our $ on housing violent criminals and illegals in shelters in our community or educating illegal children in public schools?
Do the math.

Good luck
January 2, 2024 2:02 pm

You write “B”h I am young and clueless…”. The premises with which you wrote those noble aspirations are faulty. The world that you think you live in is a mirage.

More taxes?
January 2, 2024 5:40 pm

You try to extract a cent in your make-believe tax. You’ll find out quickly why we have the 2nd Amendment

Anonymous
Reply to  More taxes?
January 3, 2024 5:08 am

Easy buddy.
Use it only if your life is in immediate danger.
Bh there still are alternative ways to sort out our grievances for now.
Good on you for taking a stand to protect yourself and that which is yours.
But easy buddy. Go easy.
Carry responsibly.
Much love.

This ain't Williamsburg
January 3, 2024 11:53 am

The central theme of our community is to build other communities and ask nothing in return We’re very good at it. Yet If we keep sending our resources out we’ll be left with mosdos that don’t have the resources to enliven a lot of our neighbors kids. We accept that Teaching our kids is often a part time gig for young couples looking to go. We accept that B.R has classrooms in coat closets and resource rooms in corridors. That O.T which overall does better, has no resource rooms and a total of 1 person in the resource dept (last… Read more »

Your idea is better
January 4, 2024 5:25 pm

Better than the online fundraisers where some get thousands and some dont.

Surely this can and should get implemented.

And after that, we can still do online fundraising.

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