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After the discussion about the new tznius guide for girls for the summer months, the publishers provided COLlive with the full file for the public's reading. Download
After the discussion about the new tznius guide for girls for the summer months, the publishers provided COLlive with the full file for the public's reading. Download
Why isn’t there a booklet on Gemoroh? #thatsynoonelikesu
I think the source is a Gemora, which says that a man who has two paths to go somewhere,
1st, near the seashore where woman wash laundry – their elbows or toes sometimes get exposed.
and a 2nd regular path.
one who Rch”l chooses the first is called a “Rasha”.
seems like the decision is, that a theme park isn’t considered a crucial route.
yes for our own kids this is perfect, but for many mosdos of shluchim i dont think this is realistic. Take for example questions 1, 2 and 3. How many shluchim can really implement them in their camps with not-yet from kids? come on!
The rebbe on Tznius…
… על פי שולחן ערוך מבת ג’ ויום אחד כבר צריכה להתנהג בצניעות וק”ו לבת עשר ויותר…
אבל שלא להכביד עול… ולדבר בדרכי נועם.
(Quote from Lekutei Sichos vol.18 pg. 448)
no need to add.. this says it all!
It’s not a valid argument to say that Chalav Akum or STAM is merely what they are arguing about. They want to find every leniency and loophole in order NOT TO OBEY THE TORAH. They don’t take on any of the mitzvot and don’t care and don’t have a proper connection. Kabbalat Ohl means keeping traditional Judaism. The Sages of Israel said that it is treif and makes impure the mind. What more does a conscientious person need before they will take on Chalav Israel.
Copy and paste the link yourself into the address bar,
this link
http://www.chabad.org/1547902
won’t work otherwise
see the Rebbe’s sensitivity- while standing for halocha! 33 and 47 and whoever else… it doesn’t seem like her voice was heard by anyone else… thus i’m sure you will now agree with what the rabbonim wrote In Question # 3. (Is there any difference if – it is one girl alone or it is a group of girls- singing in front of a man?) “While there is a minority view that makes a distinction between a single girl singing and a group of girls singing, the general consensus in halacha is that no difference exists if it’s one girl… Read more »
This is an issue which has been discussed in various halachic publications, and there are many prominent poskim on both sides of the issues, as well as those who claim American cows are not subject to the procedures, and the Cholov Yisrael products produced by European companies come from cows who have had the procedure done. Consult your Rav
See the end of footnote 5,
this was the story of Kos shel brocho -23 Tishrei 5747
http://www.chabad.org/1547902
or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfL12fbcqrk
I overheard Rabbi Azdoba clarify a point in question #2 which i think all should know! The rebbe wrote that tznius starts from the age of 3! which stands true l’gabei clothing etc. (and for sure yichud, and swiming) however regarding singing they were meikel till age of five, and some as far as under 11 yrs old. -That is only for singing as can be seen in question #9… (though the rebbe’s once sent a message very politly to a girl singing by kos shel brocha, to clap instead! she doesn’t seem over 5.. brought in the end of… Read more »
As far as i remember, a new issuue arises with chalav stam.
they are not careful with injections into cow, which in certain places (veshet etc.) Render it treif, thus, the milk will be assur as well!
So its a deeper issue then just a chshash of cholov gamal
many camp songs are cheers rather than beautiful songs with tunes. would it be acceptable to cheer on the bus with a male bus driver (whos focus is the road not the hoarse voices of the counselors)
this booklet, although not officialy, is directed at girls. what about boys?
they need it just as much
being modest does not just apply to clothing- as chassidim- the way we talk -walk- act is all tznius- truthfully it would be preferable to hire women drivers for girls’ schools! that way there would be no problems with the singing! we want to keep our kids safe and yet when our Rabbonim tell us what the holy sefer Torah says about keeping them safe we complain?!
Reb Moshe didn’t apply the heter from pas palter. Pas akum is only assure bed it will cause taaruvos with the goyim. I.E. having meals together with goyim. If I’m not mistaken thats also the reasoning behind bishul akum. Since we go to stores, and shops and bakeries in PUBLIC, that reason doesn’t apply to pas palter. Reb Moshe’s chiddush regarding chalav STAM was the reliance of the govt. and ppl afraid of losing their license or FDA certification if they falsify the ingredients without writing it. Whether or not you use this heter ( if ur any kind of… Read more »
Dear hanhola and morahs. I am not a posek but I don’t think there is any heter to sing in front of fathers by a graduation. My children do not go to lubavitcher yeshivos, in their school fathers only come to functions if there is a Rebbe – not Morahs. I was shocked to hear that this week a family member of mine went to a graduation in a Lubavitcher mosed in Crown Heights and had to leave when he realized that the morah was going to sing. Be chassidim just like the beginning of this article says “we strive… Read more »
this is wonderful!
if it doesn’t come up on the click, copy the whole
http/…//=34…
and paste in address bar
Sir 33,
regarding your Heter of singing together: do some research-
was a דעת יחיד the sridei eish, for survives of the holocaust right after WW2 only!
ALL Poskim wen’t against, and that opinion didn’t survive in ANY Rulings-
(not lubavich, not litvish, Not chasidish, even not Modern Orthodox- /// if מיהו יהודי would consider conservative “Jewish” ח”ו then ur in business…
sorry for any sarcasm-
I just can’s take people giving opinions in halacha, as if they looked into it…
Try harder next time.
Mr. 33… If you need s/o to explain … They meant: clothed as needed based on case… Meaning in your scenario this would not apply totally. Ps there is an inyan of tznius for men, which is brought in Shulchan oruch and copied into Kitzur Shulchan Oruch: one must envision hashem over him, and with that humility in mind, leave covered what ever isn’t needed to uncover EVEN WHILE IN THE BEIS HAKISAY. same applies to girls- AND BOYS TOO- while swimming ps. Hashem exists there too – just chose to conceal himself more, therefore different levels and standards in… Read more »
The Name cholov Stam was invented after R’ Moshe’s Teshuva – we do not differentiate!
See our rebbe’s take on Cholov Akum (… and stam)
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15848&st=&pgnum=34
See there: it brings Sefikos in emuna..
B’derech Hatzachus…. as seen in your comment… 😉 sorry no offends
Don’t be irritated…
Chasidim never made a difference between them, and for practical purposes neither did Misnagdim.
Untill Reb Moshe Wrote his Famous Heter, FOR HOSPITALS -and when one can’t get חלב ישראל (which was twarted and abused to “apply” to every litvish home…)
His Yesod was to apply the heter of Pas Palter to manufactured milk. and to add the concept of Mirtas B/c of the government.
For us Lubavitcher, which our parents lost their Lives in Siberia over this- Yes there is no difference between them..
Im sorry but some things are just common sense… it doesn’t take a genius to figure out they dont expect girls to swim fully clothed.
there is no such thing as Kosher Chalav Akum
Its called CHALAV STAM and theres a huge difference…
that error is irritating bc it implies that people eating chalav stam (acceptable according to some opinions) are eating Chalav Akum(forbidden according to all)
That is a very ambiguos answer – “expose those parts that are necessary for swimming, reasonably?” so if in an all girls camp, with only girl counselors, lifesavers etc? the girls can wear regular bathing suits? Or does that mean they dont have to wear socks but have to be fully clothed? after reading that, i dont blame the girl for being confused. also, there ARE heterim for girls singing in groups in front of men – I dont know why they need to make girls feel so pressured and uncomfortable that they are doing something that is forbidden. Obvoiusly,… Read more »
well at least now you know u have questions
The title is meant to grab the readers attention. In the media it doesn’t necessarily have to do much with the content. Start to notice that titles are usually controversial or strange.. I must add collive is very good at this. Summer guide sounds boring, so they wrote tznius booklet, now it sounds juicy!
Great booklet, but don’t you think this booklet should be given to the directors too? Most of the scenarios are because the directors put them into that situation.
After reading the article more than once, and having read through numerous comments, there was finally one comment that pointed out that the booklet has nothing to do with tznius. Believe it or not, the article was titled “Tznius Booklet adds questions…”- they called it a TZNIUS booklet! And not one halacha is directly tznius! (maybe the bathing suit one, but still, to call it a tznius booklet?) I don’t know if it’s a sub-conscious cry to have such a thing about tznius, or if people automatically link halacha with tznius… Anyway, that blew me away. I’m still trying to… Read more »
This booklet is great! I would love for the Rabbonim to write
something about what are the halachos of families eating
together, having social events etc. I can’t believe my eyes,
and ears when I visit some of our bungalow colonies.
Rabbonim we need to hear from you NOW!
After reading the article more than once, and having read through numerous comments, there was finally one comment that pointed out that the booklet has nothing to do with tznius. Believe it or not, the article was titled “Tznius Booklet adds questions…”- they called it a TZNIUS booklet! And not one halacha is directly tznius! (maybe the bathing suit one, but still, to call it a tznius booklet?) I don’t know if it’s a sub-conscious cry to have such a thing about tznius, or if people automatically link halacha with tznius… Anyway, that blew me away. I’m still trying to… Read more »
I’m now proud to be a member of a community, who’s rabbi’s care so much as putting in these hours upon hour to put together this masterpiece!
For those who aren’t familiar… look at those heoros and the amount of deios quoted and the הכרעות
We owe them More then we can give…
In our name and in name of our future,
Thanks To These unnoticed heroes!
They need to make one for boys!! Hellooooo
Why don’t i hear any talk of the מראי מקומות?
did any of you go through it before suggesting your own take on these issues?
…THEN JUST DON’T SING!
if you didn’t read clearly, it was a suggestion for in middle of the ride if girls feel they must,
or they cant use the other solution mentioned (that if girls are under the age, the counslers voices can blend softly so will be heard only by campers)
you cant drive with ear plugs
come on
Kinder, don’t be Tipshim, each one of you is giving their feelings on this or that halocha.
while other readers think that your words are equal Chas V’esholom to those of our Rabonim, who hold the power of Torah
Please think before you write!
In many states it is against the law to drive while wearing ear plugs. I would check with the local DMV before I would ever encourage anyone to wear ear plugs while driving. If you do drive, I am sure that you realize how important it is to use hearing while driving.
ear plugs is also verry dangers R”L
You need to hear too in order to drive safely.
in case u misread it says EAR PLUGS not an EYE MASK
The book does not state that you can’t allow kids bring cholov akum (or such) food from their own homes. It merely says that YOU are not allowed to give them such food.
THANK YOU!
to all those that invested much much effort,
This pamphlet means a lot to many of us.
Thank yuo for taking the time to explain Hashem’s will!
why is this the girls issue?
Dont give the Bus driver ear plugs that is the most ridiculous idea in the world!!
Do you want a crash??RL?
Why call it “Tznius Booklet” if the cover-page calls it “Summer Guide”
The reason behind that is simple…
the general concept was so over chewed that its hard to get through that title to girls
I understand the Halachas but in reality I think and know (from experience and BH they were good ones) the camps are not so strict in alot of areas spoken about especially trips and letting the campers eat the food they bring from home in reference to opening the trief food for them. It is a sticky situation. The frum girls who are counslers learned one thing and the Chabad House Shluchim tell them to do another with much lenience.
See a very rich discussion earlier this week about this booklet, things were very well put there by ALL readers!
Its worth your time.
https://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=20494&alias=tznius-booklet-adds-questions
a very necessary booklet for counselors of gan izzy’s
1) You are right,
2) Why do you say “Not The Girls”…
we are in the times of בת קמה באמא, וכלה בחמותה…
the directors will get it, but why not hear it from the girls as-well
I am glad that my daughter will be working at camp Emunah. So many of these situations will not arise in an all girls camp. In the past she worked at a Chabad House camp, and was in many comprimising situations.
That need to read the book, and not the girls.
wow. we are all on such a high level, we keep all the halochois of tznius that we need a booklet of hashkofois.
written in a very clear way
This is the best thing hitting chinuch since… I don’t know!
I’m Crying
How many girls were lost, while waiting for this booklet to happen?
Regarding the girl from the discussion, You could use some help in reading comprehension..
you were was way off…
dont seem to see the problem.
What, chabad is against halacha??!! It’s actually about time rabbonim unite for a cause of clear halacha that many are starting to create gray lines and causing confusion amongst the public. I hope a self-respecting lubavitcher is frum.