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‘Coercion Won’t Improve Schools’

Op-Ed: The government fails to provide a quality education at their own schools. You think they'll improve chassidic schools? Full Story

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not fair or right
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not fair or right

to rob children of the opportunity to learn secular studies, including english, and math. when grown men in our community can’t spell or talk properly it’s so utterly embarrassing. and it is SO COMMON.

What a dumb article
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What a dumb article

This is so disingenous and dumb. There are MYRIADS of kids that go through the public school system that learn, come out amazing, etc. To compare myopically to the inner-city schools is ridiculous. Instead, we churn out uneducated and very mentally limited students. The yeshiva’s don’t teach l’mudie kodesh well, and secular subjects are banned. This is insanity.

Reading writing and ...
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Reading writing and ...

1 simple question: Which boys in Crown Heights can read and write correctly in any language?
Who are you kidding; “graduating” without basic skills

Wow
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Wow

Where to start with all the fallacies in this article. All because there is a serious flaw with the education of the state, it does not mean that there is no problem with the Yeshiva system. Next point, that the study of Gemara gives great analytical skills. This point is debatable, but even if one were to assume that it is in fact correct, as someone who went through the system, I know first hand that Bochurim aren’t required to actually learn anything. Tests in Yeshiva are practically meaningless and people are further pushed from class to the next without… Read more »

Great article.
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Great article.

Respectful and logical.

Proud Oholei Torah Parent
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Proud Oholei Torah Parent

This is not the place to give an “education” on what the Rebbe felt about secular studies taught. Go study it and you will realize it’s not the holiest education for a child. If you feel you would like a secular education coupled with limudei kodesh- go to lamplighters or move out of town and send your kids to a Hebrew day school. When will people finally shut their mouths about our Yeshivahs. If you don’t believe in chinuch Al taharas hakodesh, leave the schools alone that bravely and unwaveringly stick to the Rebbe’s principles in this area and don’t… Read more »

Ch resident
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Ch resident

Our children benefit from positve education.
The children who are encouraged by their parents to succeed do succeed. Those parents who choose to influence their children with negativy are seeing the failure.
Parents, be positve and your children will be successful beyond your dreams.

Chasiva Vchasima Tova

not so dumb
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not so dumb

i think this article is right on target . do you see how wonderful all the public school kids turned out ??? think about it. i agree this group is trying to destroy not to build. tthere are other ways of getting a good secular education. the govt . does not do a good job and we see the results

Live and let live
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Live and let live

To make mention how the Yeshivas aren’t serious about learning Gemara, has nothing to do with whether they should teach secular subjects. To say it’s debatable whether Gemara gives you analytical skills, is to be completely ignorant and disconnected from Gemara and/or what are analytical skills. I went through the system, have a Masters degree, and wrote all my school papers in less than 24 hours and received almost exclusively A’s on each and every paper. I heard (it may not be true) that when entering Law school Frum people have a relatively easy time getting in because the schools… Read more »

LOL
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LOL

I love how the Oholei Torah parent gives some the option of “getting out of town”. Is this sense of entitlement taught in Chabad yeshivas? Did the Rebbe advocate this approach? And I’m glad you feel that that Oholei Torah, which churns out more and more self-entitled Bochurim is better than the Wharton school of business, where people actually have to work hard in order to get in.

Lashon Hakodesh
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Lashon Hakodesh

Some previous commenters have mentioned that Crown Heights students leave Yeshiva illiterate in any language. Can someone please explain why that is the case? I would think that by studying so much Torah, one would at the very least be literate in the Classical Hebrew found in Chumash and Mishnah. How is one able to translate a posuk if one doesn’t know the language? Please enlighten me.

Peace
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Peace

Most are missing the main point and that is you are taking government money, so the government has a say in all this. You can end this by simply not accepting the governments money and be self-sustaining just like the Amish.

#11
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#11

Being able to read and understand does not automatically develop one’s ability to express himself in writing.

Our Schools are Better than Theirs
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Our Schools are Better than Theirs

Since when was reading and writing the sole metric of success? What about our community’s crime, drug abuse, divorce, and homelessness rates? They are all well below the national average. Does that not count for anything? (That is not to say that it is zero, and we must do all we can do bring it closer to that number, but who are they to tell us how to educate our children when their rates in these areas are considerably greater than ours?) Moreover, our students volunteer their time to help others, be it special children, senior citizens, orphans, and even… Read more »

I'm number 6 and to number 10 I say...
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I'm number 6 and to number 10 I say...

Sounds like u are a bitter “hard worker” realizing that your English education only got you a mid level position in a corporation and realized now all the uber successful ones in business 99 percent of time have gotten positions through nepotism. Learn Torah as long as u can (aka until marriage) and figure it out with parnossah when have a family to feed and then necessity is the mother of invention. Almost all figure it out and those that don’t wouldn’t with the best college prep education. Rebbe said a bochur who is learning should do so until he… Read more »

Misleading
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Misleading

Some facts for the bubble people of Crown Heights. 1. Most of the state of New York and the United States looks nothing like Crown Heights. The majority of public schools and colleges in this country do a decent job of educating students, and contrasting yourself with poor minority schools in your self imposed ghetto, is a fallacious argument at best. Get out a bit. Take a drive. There’s a whole country out there. 2. As a general rule, you may be correct that the government has no right to dictate the curriculum of private schools. However, What you conveniently… Read more »

To 12
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To 12

You are missing the point that it is the government who takes our money and when they give it to our schools they are just returning it to us.
They are the ones who should end this by not taxing us for their sub-par educational system and then we won’t ask them to give it back.

Excellent article
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Excellent article

Agree with every point!

When will some if u open ur eyes abd realize that being financially successful is up to GD abd not up to ur education.
Look around!!!! The best businesman here in ch are israily- not only didnt they learn spelling- they hardly speak english well- k thats just one example but seriously stop this narrow mindedness that if they would spell better they would earn more
Its not reality

Yaffed & assocs: Start conducting yourselves like adults.
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Yaffed & assocs: Start conducting yourselves like adults.

If you don’t like the education your parents afforded you ‘Take it up with them’ (or don’t ..if you appreciate them), but certainly don’t blame the schools they sent you to. Some parents and their children [when they become adults too] WANT the specific education those Yeshivos provide .. End of Story! If you don’t like the portion you got, start liking it, because that’s all you can do to make the best of it. Besides, other people actually WANT precisely that which you don’t like about your portion. The bigger issue is your [Yaffed & assocs’] poor emotional developments,… Read more »

to 17
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to 17

From the government’s point of view, we are a community with a high rates of single mothers and children below poverty level. These statistics are skewed, but I don’t think a plausible explanation of the reasons would be in our favour.

The yeshivos most likely are getting more in various subsidies than all the property taxes collected from parents.

my opionion
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my opionion

I think if they did have some secular education studies in the Chassidic yeshivas there would not be so many men shopping with food stamps, and they stay home while there wife has to go to work

12 year old Proud Lubavitcher
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12 year old Proud Lubavitcher

We are the Jewish people. We are real different from other people. We learn Hebrew and Hebrew subjects. We go to our own schools. We have the Torah. And why isn’t anyone appreciating that? I went to a Hebrew Day School. Did I like it? No. You know why? The only Hebrew subjects were Hebrew ( the language) and Judaics ( only Mishna when half the students can’t read Hebrew properly). I like lubavitch schools. My neshama thirst to learn torah. I would of loved to stay in a lubavitch school my whole life. You’re taking everything for granted. All… Read more »

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