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Can I Order a Non-Dairy Latte in Starbucks?

Stump the Rabbi: Can I order a non-dairy latte in Starbucks? Rabbi Yoni Rappaport of OK Kosher answers. Video

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Black coffee?
June 2, 2021 6:16 pm

Is black coffee so poshot? A yira shamayim /talmid chochom doesn’t drink coffee brewed by a non jew. Plus you need to rely on an additional heter that if the pot was put in a dishwasher with treif food, that the dishwasher detergent makes it nosen tam lfgam….that’s a kula that not everyone would want to rely on. The coffee pot could have easily been heated up in a dishwasher together with ham… Many people wouldn’t feel comfortable drinking from such pots that come from a Starbucks where treif food is served. Drinking from Starbucks isn’t for yira shamayim and… Read more »

Wrong
Reply to  Black coffee?
June 2, 2021 11:15 pm

Its not a heter, or kula
Also, being a yira shomaim etc its beyond the scope of the article, you can stay at home and dont go to ANY restaurant, vein ladovor soif..

The cleaning process
Reply to  Black coffee?
June 2, 2021 11:38 pm

Your assumption that the detergent is the only heter is inaccurate. The water used to wash the equipment creates a “not bar not” scenario. Yes – its “de’isura” but it is bieng coupled with the l’fgam aspect as well.

Trusting a non jew with the milk
June 2, 2021 6:26 pm

I wouldn’t feel so comfortable trusting a non jew that the milk in an opened container is kosher and simply pour it in to my cup. I wouldn’t enter into a non jews home and eat or drink from an open kosher product even with my hechsher, so I wouldn’t feel comfortable doing it in Starbucks. I personally once witnessed a crown Heights store that served dairy milk poured from a cholov ocum container into a cholov Yisroel milk bottle in the back kitchen when it looked like nobody could see. They put it out for people to pour in… Read more »

bishul
June 2, 2021 6:35 pm

is it ok for a yira shamayim to drink from a starbucks? The lecture seemed to imply it simply ok for all standards. Perhaps on a program like stump the rabbi aimed for a big lubavitch audience, the teacher should specify that this halacha isn’t for the stringent. Chassidim in general have a very high kashrus and bishul standard.

bishul doesnt apply to liquid
Reply to  bishul
June 3, 2021 11:10 am

shulchan aruch paskens that theres no issue of bishul akum by water. arizal holds there is which is not the accepted halacha. if one wants to be machmir like the arizal he may but definitely not an issue to follow the shulchan aruchs psak.

Response
Reply to  bishul doesnt apply to liquid
June 3, 2021 2:33 pm

Shulchan oruch also paskens you can eat pas palter and that it is good to me machmir during 10 days of teshuva. But chassidim in general don’t the whole year.

The maggid shiur on a program designed for lubavitchers should make the point that these halachas are not for G-d fearing people or chassidim standards.

What do you expect from the article then?
Reply to  Response
June 3, 2021 9:31 pm

This is halochoh, not a mashpiah

Coffee
June 2, 2021 6:48 pm

Thank you for this, but the first question that comes to mind is if Starbucks drinks are kosher altogether, regardless of the issue with dairy/cholev stam. I’ve been told most drinks aren’t kosher because of the way they wash and and clean the equipment together with things that have treif on it. Thoughts?

Question
June 2, 2021 6:52 pm

At the end of the clip the Rabbi states to pour the non dairy milk in yourself. Why is that required. When they show me the carton, i typically say that works and they pour some in…

Idk
Reply to  Question
June 3, 2021 6:24 pm

Maybe because sometimes they keep those drinks in their container and they may make a mistake/forget to clean/?

DE= Parve?
June 2, 2021 6:56 pm

He never answered the question of DE is considered Parve . One wonders ?

answer
Reply to  DE= Parve?
June 3, 2021 3:41 pm

many in chabad hold that DE is still not pareve b/c there could a chance that it had traces of dairy and DE is normally used for cholov stam, which chabad avoids. but halachikally speaking, DE is just as pareve, just cheaper for the companies to pay for DE sign than a pareve sign

Yisroel
June 2, 2021 7:16 pm

Thanks. Does that mean that it is ok to have black coffee at a Starbucks? What about all the other keilim issues?

What about the passion fruit ice tea and the drago
June 2, 2021 7:26 pm

Are they allowed

Black coffee
June 2, 2021 8:21 pm

So a black coffee at Starbucks is not potentially contaminated by the coffee pot being washed with other dairy equipment?

With Ou parve milk
June 2, 2021 9:08 pm

What about cold non dairy latte?

Standards
June 3, 2021 2:47 pm

According to these standards on the shiur… You can enter a non Jews home, pull out a pot that has put in dish washer with his treif food and then make yourself kosher food from his unsealed products in his home that has your hechsher.

Was this shiur designed for the modern orthodox?

Maybe just add in the shiur that you can al pi shulchan oruch have non pas Yisroel bread with the meal or drink you make in the non Jews ‘s home since bread is a staple food.

Keilim
June 3, 2021 7:30 pm

First of all, at Starbucks there is no coffee pot. Coffee is brewed directly in the cup. The only component that is sometimes washed in the same dishwasher as treife keilim is the brew basket. And not every store does so. You have to ask at each full-service store how they wash it. Stores that are not full-service and do not serve sandwiches are not a problem at all in this regard. As for keilim of cholov akum, there is one important aspect to consider: Keilim Divnei Reinus. The halacha is that if there is a community of Jews who… Read more »

Very Interesting
June 13, 2021 3:41 pm

Thank you, this was a very interesting brief shiur. I was unaware of this before watching Rabbi Rappaport.

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