By Yitzchok
We just received a rejection letter for our daughters from the overnight camp they attended last summer. It’s the camp they loved, and to which we paid full tuition.
And now, a flat rejection. No explanation. No phone call. No conversation. Just a letter that says: not this year.
I don’t know the reason.
Is it truly a space issue? Is it a waiting list? Is it something else entirely? If there was a concern, why wasn’t it discussed? Why no clarity?
Because the hardest part isn’t only the rejection. It’s what comes next: confusion, scrambling, and the feeling of being stuck with nowhere to turn.
Here are the facts.
We have two daughters. My older daughter had a strong summer. She thrived. She was happy, involved, and successful. There were no issues.
My younger daughter needed some extra support. Nothing extreme. Nothing that should disqualify a child from returning to camp. Children needing support are normal.
We addressed it responsibly. We paid for additional help in camp, including extra staff support. That support wasn’t just for our daughter. It became a resource that the camp itself used.
Which is why I’m struggling to understand how we go from a summer that worked, with collaboration and full payment, to a rejection letter with no explanation.
I’m asking a very basic parental question: What are we supposed to do now?
At this point in the process, applying elsewhere means landing at the bottom of every list. There are no obvious alternatives. Everywhere, the answer seems to be, “We’re full.”
So what is the expectation in our community?
Are parents supposed to apply to multiple camps “just in case”?
Are families expected to spend thousands of dollars on application fees to protect themselves from being left without options?
Most families can’t do that. And no one tells you this is how the system works.
Which leads to a more troubling question.
Do children now need to be “perfect” to deserve camp?
Is needing extra support enough to quietly close the door, without conversation or guidance?
Camp is not meant to be a prize for perfection. It’s meant to be a place where children grow.
I keep thinking about a story shared by Rabbi Shlomo Cunin, who spoke about Gan Yisroel years ago. When told there was a waiting list, the Rebbe responded, “Build another bunk.”
Not “turn them away.” Not “sorry, we’re full.” Build another bunk.
Rabbi Cunin described how they literally built extra bunks in the final week of camp preparation so there would be room for more children. The Rebbe even visited camp himself, underscoring how central overnight camp was to Jewish chinuch.
So I ask camp directors, respectfully and honestly.
When rejection letters go out, is there clarity behind them? Is there conversation? Is there guidance?
Because when a child is rejected without explanation, it’s not just an application being declined. It’s a child losing her summer, and parents having to break that news without answers.
What is the actual system right now? Which camps still have space? Who is helping families who are rejected find alternatives? What is the process when a child needs support, before the door is closed?
Parents aren’t asking for favors. They’re asking for somewhere to send their children.
And we shouldn’t be a community where a parent has to look at their child and say, “I’m sorry. There’s just no place for you.”
There are few Chabad camps. We need more. Same for seminaries. There’s just no space.
Camp
There’s a period missing at the end of your comment.
But honestly, camp is important for children. I can’t speak for you, but I went as a child and had a great time and Jewish experience.
We also need alternatives for kids that for some reason can’t attend. We also may be the exact people that need to change the system.
Did it ever occur to you that COLLIVE tries hard to please everyone, even people like “The Commenter” who are looking for things to kvetch and nitpick about?
Getting into zal with his friends was a nightmare. There’s no room. We need more schools
It’s probably worthy of It’s own article but people should always prepare for plan B. If there are camps and seminaries that accept those who have been rejected, consider those before getting people together to form a new program. I have seen where small breakaway endeavors became major players due to the level of need.
Usually mighty & wealthy are accepted by donation and connections, the poor & weak are left behind – true reality
Sign up to another camp.
First of all, there are deadlines. Most have passed, and most applying now will be told the camps are full.
Secondly, if you apply for 4 kids to camp, its a few hundred dollars as “a nonrefundable deposit.” Want to apply to 3 camps? We’re expected to spend thousands just to APPLY!?
Most camps return the application fee if you aren’t accepted. Very mentchlich. Not like seminaries.
Take the seminary to Bais Din, and demand they pay back the application fees. Disgusting when the interviewer of the seminary takes money from a prospective student and tells them in their face your not accepted.
Yes please name all the camps with space still accepting girls now ????
CGI UK
CGI UK! registration opens during 1st month it’s in 2nd month
Emunah is known for accepting everyone. I highly suggest you try!
Emunah Pishuto. We applied last year and were told were rejected. I’m not the first or last unless Emunah just had a change of policy for this season?
so no thats not true
Thank you to col for being transparent on this issue. Unfortunately, our community has been too silent on this issue.
It’s interesting to see how the legacy & institutional camps pre Gimmel Tammuz have no issue rejecting campers because they are full. The camps started by askanim after Gimmel Tammuz take all children.
no camp takes all children
they like to all call themselves camp that go in the way of the Rebbe
but while they may talk the talk, they don’t walk the walk if it’s not convenient for them
We received rejection letters as well. No phone calls, no reasons, and we have to tell our kids that sorry, they’re not going to be able to go to camp with their friends this year, and we don’t know why.
I do have to say thank you to camp emunah, which makes an effort to accept everyone, even providing a “sunshine bunk” so those with special needs don’t need to feel excluded for reasons beyond their control.
Camp Emunah is very welcoming to all the Rebbes Children.
Maybe the schools can have something put in place to ensure that any child who wants to go to camp at least has an option?
it’s not the right thing
But needs someone to fundraise, hire staff, create programs, etc. It never works to say that someone else should take responsibility. Those families who need the program need to be willing to get involved.
Boys camp do it as well.
It’s a game on purpose to make everyone want to run to them. And this way they can charge a fortune! That’s why Chayolei opened up! Time to only send to camps that are ready to take everyone at a normal cost
The “Ysp” in the subject line is supposed to be “YSP” since all the letters stand for its name “Yeshiva Summer Program”. I had the pleasure to spend a summer there and it’s a great program. 🙂
I keep reading the comments with the corrections and i assume it’s the same person. I am tempted to do it too. But I see I don’t have to.
Stop commenting all day? Go do homework and learn some Torah?
The question marks shouldn’t be used since your statements aren’t questions.
That’s why I’m happy chayalei will accept all of the schools that’s are endorsing. It would be nice if the girls schools someday do a similar approach in that no child is rejected!
I believe “that’s are endorsing” is supposed to read “that they are endorsing”. That’s quite a confusing statement… 😀
With all the promises made to us, yes — we fell behind in school tuition for a period. But we were never in debt, and we paid the camp in full.
Our children became the korban.
You can say it was our fault for having an outstanding school balance — but the moment ULY and Chayol came under the same leadership, we were rejected.
No one cared where my son went.
He stayed home.
When decisions are driven by money and internal politics, children are the ones left behind. That reality is painful — and unacceptable.
They ultimately don’t care about your child, unless it suits them to take them in. Where have the days of old gone??????????
Save the money!
Idk how much it costs
Camp chomeish is open till Tu beshevat great camp.
No their not they reject as well..finally glad someone is speaking up about this though because it’s important. I recommend CGI United they started accepting more
They are open, some bunks are full already.
nope they rejected us for no reason. we applied before other kids who got accepted.
They don’t reject for no reason lol. They’re full for most grades in first month, try second month. They also don’t always do first come first serve, it’s many times who came last year etc… Lol they don’t reject for no reason
Try 2nd month
They started filling up very quickly, and have very limited beds so apply as fast as possible
Write an oped
How old are your girls?
Would they consider a mother’s helper job or junior counselor?
Great opportunity to learn responsibility, gain experience and confidence and a bit of personal money.
We used to do that some 20 years ago. And we all felt so mature
I let my daughters be mothers’ helpers one year. I was so disappointed in how they were treated I am not going to let them do it again.
Many mothers who hire girls to help have unrealistic expectations and it can be a negative experience.
B”H, when my adult daughter was younger, starting at 11, she was a mother’s helper for our rebbetzin at Gan Izzy. Incredible experience! Hashem is guiding you in a different direction and although it seems harsh, it is a brocha in disguise. Hatzlacha and brocha!
If the child wants, EVERY child should be able to have this opportunity.
We keep hearing about the camp issue. The solution is simple and it is something the Rebbe requested.
Keep school open for an additional month, like Europe and israel. Simple.
With only 5 weeks of summer, camp becomes less important.
Lest you argue that the Rebbe wanted camp, that is not accurate at all. Camp Gan Israel and Emunah were opened for non frum/public school kids, not Chabad day school kids.
The reason schools don’t stay open for an additional my month is a combination of pressure from camps, and an unwillingness to break out of the mold.
It’s time!
Nebach this can not be an outcome of this problem!
Tags shouldn’t be the fist thing after seeing this article…
Nebach to the children!
And teachers😅
Now that chayolei is accepting the schools that endorse it, it appears to be rejecting many of the kids who do not come from those few schools. Shame.
Why did those schools not open their own camp. Why did Chayolei accept such a thing? What gives a Moisad the right to say they go in the Rebbe’s ways when they don’t even follow the Rebbe’s directives in crucial things?
How do they sleep at night knowing this?
Perhaps your child didn’t YET get accepted but wasn’t rejected? Could be they are still processing applications. I’m hopeful about this, as some kids got letters already and not others
We got a rejection letter.
Good to know it’s not a space issue since they’re still processing applications…and that the children are just being rejected with no reason given.
“till” is supposed to formerly be “until”, and there should be some separation between “beshevat” and “great” since they are two different ideas that don’t flow smoothly within the same line.
The most important part of education is to know how to treat another person with respect, and that, dear fellow human being, is much more important than proper grammar.
I’m not coming to attack, but I legitimately do treat my fellow humans as equals and am there to help whenever I can. It may seem that I’m coming to attack, but I genuinely come in peace. It’s not fair of you to think otherwise… 🙁
How well do YOU write in Yiddish, Hebrew, French, Russian, etc. — languages many Lubavitchers also speak as their mamalashon?
If you can’t get past a few typos and grammar errors, move to Princeton, Cambridge, New Haven, or London, please.
Is your comment in the assumption that only Crown Heights residents go to Collive? :-/
So what if I’m from Belgium or Iran? I want to view the articles too and provide my own insight like everyone else. There’s no reason to be aggressive or snarky. I’m just trying to help while pitching in my own thoughts and opinions.
How about you open up a girls’ camp where you will teach the girls how to be just like you: extremely and distractingly critical instead of showing empathy and love to the writer of this article and her daughters?
(This blog is not the SATs, OK?)
There’s no need for you to be snarky. The same way everyone has their say on articles, whether they are aggressive, in agreement, or neutral to the subject, I’m allowed to pitch in and friendly point out some errors while also providing my own insight to the article if so desired.
It is a free country, and yiu have your “rights” all figured out.
It’s too bad “responsibilities” toward your fellow Yid in pain for good reason (the writer of the article) don’t also figure in prominently for your posting priorities.
Hashem is in charge!
Wow!
You remind me of the story where a Chosid said to a self proclaimed Talmid Chacham – Kush in…
The person became incense, “how could you speak to me in such a disrespectful manner!?!”.
The Chosid responded: אנטשולדיק, קושט איר אין…
So, did YOU understand this?
Is it written correctly?
Of course, the great “wise man”, missed the whole point.
So did you genius
First off, the end of your paragraph/comment is missing a period. But more importantly, there’s no reason to be agitated by how I decide to respond to comments. I genuinely try to be polite in my comments and point out some errors, while also making a comment of my own thoughts about the article in question.
This is exactly the goal of this camp, that no child should be turned away.
Stop running to these camps which turn down campers
What about for our boys?
The article IS about GIRLS
That’s why it’s written for girls
How BR girl is not a best fit to the camp?
I have no idea … I’m not a name or relative to anyone we are first time trying to register to the camp…
Don’t know how to tell my daughter that she is not going to any camp…
As a teen who applied to their teen camp this year, I can say that although I was accepted, many of my friends were not.
We got that same letter, probably from that same Camp. My older daughter was there for two summers in a row and had no issues now we applied for a younger daughter. There would be no reason why they would reject her other than the fact that they actually have no space. And honestly, I actually think there’s a way different and bigger than the Camp is not accepting. And that is the price of camps. What’s the deal??…….
I was told that in satmar camp every child goes to cmp
We can learn alot from their community!
Have you asked the camp the reason?
Together they should make sure that every camper that wants to go to camp has a place in camp, and they should honestly try to help that those that don’t want should have alternative plans that are appropriate.
It’s a no best fit answer .. I wish
Also have a-lot bully in the camp.
Also talk with your kids about it!!!
Also have competition who have more, and what brands.
A lot of camps have a staffing problem as well.
Please encourage your 10-12th graders to work at overnight camps. This will allow for more room in the camps
Pay & treat them nicely – all will come to work even young couples
I got rejected from WORKING in a camp so maybe we should stop blaming people when it’s not their issue
The system is a disgrace Children being rejected is breaking them for life. They are not raffle tickets
No good at all.
From my experience, camps usually accept campers that attended other years, then they accept new people.
They don’t want to deal with kids that might need extra effort, (camp is actually meant for all kids, especially if the parents are willing to work with the camp), but many camps have no problem hiring staff that don’t belong being counselors, learning teachers, and what not, especially if they are related to someone in the upper echelons of camp staff.
There are not enough space for the amount of girls that want to attend.
What’s the solution ??
Easy to say open more bunks …
Does anyone have a practical solution besides just venting ?
You all say that you are either the Rebbe’s camp or are run under the guidance of the Rebbe’s principles. So let me ask you a few questions: 1- When you are accepting children, do you first, or only, take the kids that will be the most convenient for you to have in camp? 2-Do you hire head staff that tell you they won’t work for you if you take children that are a bit more challenging in behavior or that might need extra patience or time? 3-Do you teach your campers how to properly have Ahavas Yisroel as it… Read more »
They cannot campaign and brand themselves as a camp of the rebbe when they do not accept and give everyone a chance
Many camps don’t have space for any more kids to come, and are unable to build more bunkhouse’s, and if they don’t take kids that need extra help or are more challenging it’s because they have hs girls as counselors who are overworked and underpaid as it is.
How I’ll tell to my daughter that we are not the best fit to the camp, we are not chosen, privileged and noting … how child that goes to BR from age 3 is not going to the overnight camp? We are not part of any family or related to anyone … I’m Baal Tshuvah and my child was born in CH Rebbe’s quarters – but we are second hand here?
The problem that I don’t have money to rent summer house or go to summer family vacation …
How to tell the news to your children?
I’m on a very tight budget. There’s no summer house, no vacation, no special plans. Now I’m facing the hardest part — how to tell my child that there will be no overnight camp at all, and that she will spend the summer at home. Not every family can afford camps, trips, museums, or activities. And what hurts most is knowing that come September, when children talk about their summers, she will have nothing to share. It’s painful to realize that when you’re struggling financially, you are often left alone — and no one asks how the child will feel.… Read more »
You can get IDNYC cards to visit museums in nyc for free.
How you can compare a museum trip vs summer camp with friends? No one in CH over summer ;( … no story to tell after summer … no one cares … Did you ever had 14 year boys sitting home? What can I offer him? Museum???? No this is not an answer – all kids belongs to camp … and this is school responsibility to make all kids who left here in CH to find a place and fit them in …. Common the same people run school & camps all same board Schools should ask themselves where the students… Read more »
Getting memberships to museums, bounce places, etc, is much cheaper than sending a child to sleepaway camp!
The library has free passes to visit museums
There’s a strong desire on the part of the directors to take every girl and to give them a meaningful and fun summer.
Especially if you’re a bal tchuva family. My daughter was automatically rejected even though our shluhim’s kids were automatically accepted.
When my son was rejected we took camp money and traveled the world was a fantastic experience. Highly recommended
Wealthy families can afford – we can’t … I don’t have money to travel even to upstate
Whenever any of my kids were rejected from one place, they ended up in a better place!!! It happened many times!!!
Firstly, they might actually be out of space. That happens too. Second, did you try contacting the people who you know who work there? Or people who know the people who work there?
Do it nicely, and they might come forward
This community is broken. Everything is exclusive, expensive and full of jealousy. Why should I stay?
I call out.
Good riddance.
Why don’t u be part of the solution and open your own program?
But is this what the rebbe would say. Than its just an exclusive camp but definitely not conducting themselves according with the rebbes directives.
someone of authority needs to have a conversation with the leaders of this camp. This is not the way to conduct things. Whose decision was it to send this kind of letter? I don’t think I would even send my child into an atmosphere that condones this unprofessional practice.
This is the direction for breaking children!!
The Rebbesaid build more bunks.
Stop putting all the responsibility on the directors. Step in and help. Fundraise to make the space.
It’s all about money? Because someone that invests in our camps and schools. Don’t have your own money? Figure out ways to get involved
Everyone is always complaining
But how do you expect directors to do so much!!??
Help them out !
Don’t be fooled by the poverty crying camp directors/owners.
If it was a loosing proposition they would have closed and sold the property years ago.
When the rebbe told rabbi Cunin “Build another bunkhouse” it wasn’t only because he cared about every child. The Rebbe was giving a lesson in business. If you’re full “Build another bunkhouse”. Invest in your business, yes there’s an upfront cost but what’s the return on investment?
Yes the camp directors are free to chooses who attends their camp as they please but no, do not call yourself a camp following in the rebbes footsteps
Are all the camps under Markos?
I didn’t read all the comments. But just this year Camp Emunah rejected 3 teenagers to teen camp. Camp Emunah in my days excepted EVERYONE, How are you able to look in Rabbi J.J. Hecht and Rebbitzen Chava Hecht in there eyes when moshiach comes and say, We couldn’t accept the girls. We HEARD they are troublesome. Camp Emunah was a Camp that accepted every child, every neshama. I cried all night for these 3 neshamas. With the right love that Camp Emunah was known to give, they have the koach to change these girls around. I am asking please… Read more »
In general the chabad world, and much of frum Jewry, seems to be having an identity crisis.
Sending kids to boarding school at 14, overnight camps- even for families who cannot afford it.
The system is unsustainable and will crash. Then it will hopefully be rebuilt in a more sustainable way.
Perhaps with some of the ideas mentioned above
Was the best thing that happened to me. Leaving home at 14 gave me such a healthy sense of independence in a safe environment. I know there are people who are going to say “it’s not always safe etc etc”, but the kids that act out at boarding school will often act out at home also. Doesn’t matter where you’re from or what community you live in, boarding school is place for girls to blossom.
But then explore ways to have a healthy independence at home.
The finances don’t make sense for the average frum family (making 160k a year).
Send your girls to CGI Sweden. The namdars are amazing.
Every year, the same issue repeats itself with camps. Families are told their child is “not a good fit,” and once that label is given, there is no real path to acceptance. Whether it’s because of a last name, financial struggles, or quiet assumptions — families are left with nowhere to turn and no one to help. These camps do operate as businesses and generate revenue, so the issue is not the ability to include another child — it’s the decision not to. So the real question is: what are families supposed to do, and who is actually responsible for… Read more »
CGI UK!! it’s 12 days during 2nd month but it’s really fun and really worthit and its signing up not applying… They get the BEST counselors every year and it’s the most unforgettable experience ever!!!!!!
Yesss everyone send there!!!! Best camp and accept everyone!!! Such a good camp!!!
Oy, my heart hurts just reading this. It’s the saddest thing to have to tell your children they weren’t accepted. Been there 🙁
All the mosdos and directors who accepted everyone, ran things the way Chinuch was run throughout all generations, saw things work despite obstacles, gave the Rabbeim real nachas and raised generations of Shomrei Torah have been replaced with micromanaging corporate-style killjoys who are wrecking everything. Where are the zekainim to step in, or at least those who learned from the zekainim and who will support them so they’re listened to?
This was not the way chinuch was run for generations TT was extremely strict about who they accepted and kept in the yeshiva.
There was room in Lubavitch for everyone, even if not in Tomchei Tmimim and those who really wanted got it. It was also based on merit. This isn’t. In America the Rebbe said that the difference between Lubavitcher Mosdos and others is that all are given a place in school. The same should go for camp – for sure not this level of undeserved rejection. This has no place in any Yiddisher group, much less from our mosdos.
is not Tomchei Temimim Yeshiva in Russia
Space is a problem. If there is no space ….there is no space. Not all campers are a fit for all camps, the same way not all students are a fit for all schools. Camp is for fun and growth and for kids that behave like mentchen. Why should a camp struggle with obnoxious or difficult behavior. It is ok for a camp to work with children but they are not required to accept those that are consistently difficult. Camp resources are not as expanded as those in schools with young counselors doing their best. Just some food for thought… Read more »
Why the sane child is blooming with one Rebbe and spend time in the hallway with another?
Stop blaming kids, unfortunately some adults do not belong to be teachers …
My children well behoved & good students were rejected -because who knows why I guess our last name doesn’t sounds right to the people who run it…. As they do not know us personally o and do not know our kids….
Application fees are a few hundred dollars a piece!
It should be refundable if child isn’t “accepted” into camp!
Same is true for seminary and yeshiva.
Why should a child feel stuck and rejected because there are no funds to keep on applying, in the hopes that a place will be secured for them…somewhere?
This is not to mention the exorbitant fees for tuition and transportation and all the necessary extras!
May Hashem give us the wisdom and the tools to fix the system which is in bad need of repair!
I agree with you 10000%.