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Bochurim leaving Oholei Torah Mesivta on Monday evening were attacked by a group of teens, punching one of the bochurim before fleeing. Full Story

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Troy Zal - Back in 2000
November 22, 2018 10:37 pm

When I was there it was fun. Every day these punks would come to the front of the building sometimes with a baseball bat. Needless to say, a small number of us were always ready for them, we would come out and face-off, and invariably they would back off and slink away when the prospect of having their heads busted in became a possibility in their minds. On Halloween, I on the way back from Dinner to night seder I overheard 2 of them whom had eggs in hand and were mumbling to one another how they were about to… Read more »

to number 34
November 22, 2018 2:07 pm

i am a student in that school and the second the teen punched my friend we all ran after him and tackled two out of the three thugs. so dont say we dont defend ourselves

Just thinking
November 21, 2018 1:47 pm

Maybe these boys should have a bus to take them home at such a late hour

How about teaching boys SELF DEFENSE.
November 21, 2018 12:22 pm

Theyll never start up again.
The Torah does expect a person to do all in his power to protect themselves.we cannot rely on police.

Cops not instilling fear
November 21, 2018 7:21 am

No way the cops are doing there jobs if the perp is smiling and looking like he going to Disneyland. The kids family and the cops get a “Failure” grade and this is why it continues for no fear of authority. They need to bring this kid to jail to the general population for a day or two.

@ #39
November 20, 2018 10:04 pm

Blaming the victim should not be the final comment. Yeah.. the Bochur was so immature for not avoiding the punch! 🙂 Counter intuitive logic.
Actually, my son was there and he reported that the Bochur took the punch and immediately went right after the perp. Good for him!

The blacks got beaten up-as they deserved.
November 20, 2018 9:51 pm

3 of my son’s were there. The misivta bochurim ran after them and beat up all 3 of them before the police got there… I think the perps will think twice before trying to start up on bochurim again.
Serves them right! It’s all on the school video.

to 39
November 20, 2018 8:21 pm

they were leaving to go home. Notice the article says 9:45. That’s when yeshiva ends more or less.

Immature
November 20, 2018 5:50 pm

If the bochurim would have just closed the door & gone back to learn, nothing would have happened.
Why did they hang around & even come outside the building BEFORE the punch?

Stick up for yourself y.a.l.s
November 20, 2018 4:42 pm

They won’t stop doing this if you keep running away

NYS Troopers in NYC - NYS can get federal community block grants
November 20, 2018 2:38 pm
NYS TROOPERS in CH and DRONES for SHMIRA/SHOMRIM
November 20, 2018 2:32 pm

1) Step One – Realize that you can get more cops on the street with more dollars 2) Step Two – Realize that Gov Cuomo gave $1.4 billion to Brooklyn for “Vital Brooklyn” , and the amount that went to crime prevention was bubkas 3) Step Three – Put Pressure on Borough Pres Eric Adams to allocate budget dollars to have a commensurate amount of cops proportional to the crime need 4) Put pressure on Federal Rep Yvette Clark for more money for more cops 5) Put Pressure on Gov Cuomo to have NYS Troopers in CH because the NYPD… Read more »

888 montgomery
November 20, 2018 12:09 pm

I was there I witnessed the and it was an extremely chaotic scene , bh the perps were caught . I witnessed the professionalism of Shmira keep up the great work

Why don't we fight back?
November 20, 2018 11:57 am

Does anyone have an answer? Sitting lame ducks who never defend ourselves- I’m not talking about the young bochurim, but it seems no one goes after them including, no one gives them a taste of their own. They are really cowards at heart and will be plenty scared at a sign of retaliation. The Torah supports defending ourselves, including pre-emptively to PREVENT attacks.

Put the fear in them
November 20, 2018 11:52 am

The criminals are not afraid of the police because the police let them go without even keeping records of the report. The whole thing is a joke to them.

Yaacov Yudewitz
November 20, 2018 11:12 am

I recall watching a video, where the Rebbe was greeted by Senator Moynihan, and the great Senator asked what he could do for the Rebbe. I was surprised while watching the video, in some shul in CH, that the Rebbe said to Moynihan to do something to help the Chinese since they are such a good people.

I hope to see a future alliance between the conservative Asian-American communities and the Orthodox Jewish.

mendel
November 20, 2018 10:42 am

I must say about 9 I was on my way to a wedding at razag. I noticed noise coming from east new york ave near the park.

I bet it was those kids. I wonder if shomrim noticed them as well??

Witness
November 20, 2018 10:21 am

I was there last night and saw this happen. The one thug who threw the punch was being held against a car very gently and started yelling about how he couldn’t breathe. Meanwhile, he got on the phone with his mother and said to send his brother. (Explain to me how someone can have a full conversation without being able to breathe? Physiologically nearly impossible.) A minute later some huge black man comes running down the street whooping and hollering about how Shmira is not the police and they can’t hold him and they can’t do it and you’re racists… Read more »

Important to remember
November 20, 2018 10:17 am

In America the police are not supposed to protect people. In fact, police have one job and that is to enforce the law. A police officer is intended to stop or bother a person only in the event that they are breaking the law or there is reason to believe they are or will be. If someone is not involved in breaking the law, the police have no justifiable course of action to be involved. Unfortunately they poke their noses into everything nowadays. As far as protection, that’s not their job. The intention of those who founded this country was… Read more »

Change your neighborhood
November 20, 2018 9:24 am

Old timers here in Boro park remember how one side of Boro park was Italians and the other side Puerto Rican’s. Trouble happened all the time. Every Friday nite Italian youth would drive by yelling or throwing eggs at Jews. About 25 years ago things changed. Some smart jewish activists began movie big in loads of Chinese. Within a short time all of Boro parks dangerous borders turned Chinese. It serves as a buffer zone between drug gangs and the Jews. Today over 150 thousand Chinese sorround Boro park and it’s very safe. Crown Heights gut jewish landlords can do… Read more »

Goes both way
November 20, 2018 9:13 am

First of all, to those saying “Cancel night Seder”, stop it. If you must know, this incident occurred long after night Seder ended if I am not mistaken. Either way, cancelling night Seder and cowering down is not the answer.

Also, in these situations, would it not be best to go back inside and lock the door behind you? As opposed to adding fuel to these animals fire?

^5 @ Comment # 17
November 20, 2018 8:35 am

1) Demand Future Mayoral Candidate Eric Adams spend $1 million on more cops and surveillance cameras, just like when Eric Adams said Crown Heights needed the $1 million more then Borough Park, when it came to NYS Budget dollars, a few years ago.

2) Hook up with the Bodega Owners who are demanding more cops and more crime prevention after the gang attacks on youths inside Bodegas in the Bronx

3) Hook up with and coordinate with the Asian American Community

Just the Beginning
November 20, 2018 8:19 am

Raise the Age Law changed the age in which a sucker punch, which does not result in serious injury, can send you to jail. The age of responsibility used to be 16, but “Raise the Age” changed the minimum age for a misdemeanor without serious injury in a assault to 18. So now, young thugs know that they won’t go to jail for a sucker punch. Thank you former Sen Jessie Hamilton for championing this law which protects younger CRIMINALS from going jail and gives them more opportunity to sucker punch Jews. And thank you to the Jews in the… Read more »

ELECTIONS
November 20, 2018 8:14 am

Change of new Blood is needed in our leadership to standing up for rapid crime increase. Housing etc…

Nothing new....
November 20, 2018 7:29 am

When i was in mesivta 15+ years ago, we had the same type of stuff happen….wild stupid kids just having fun making trouble….and probably some bad friends or parenting added to the mix. The only difference is, now its being reported…before it was just ignored. Not going to change – their parents acted the same at that age too.

All smiles
November 20, 2018 6:38 am

I’m so glad the cops found what 2 smile about with this budding criminal , that really builds my confidence in my security! How about as a good will gesture & 2 show that the cops r with us for the next week after such an incident when ever a cop stops a Jew or any law abiding community member he sends them away with a smile & a warning as a show of good will & that they are here to protect us .

Hurt
November 20, 2018 6:35 am

You guys are making as iy the bochrim got hurt the bochrim caught them right away

Time to bring back Guiliani policing policies
November 20, 2018 5:49 am
Perpetrator released 30 minutes later
November 20, 2018 5:12 am

Perpetrator was released 30 minutes later so he can continue looking for trouble. No wonder he was grinning. What a joke the system is.

Oy Vey!
November 20, 2018 1:24 am

Just another day in the CH hood!

must demand more police patrol
November 20, 2018 1:05 am

the old timers among us will remember that we’ve had periods like this come and go over the years. what makes it more worrisome today is that anti-semitism in general is on the rise and is somehow becoming more de rigueur despite protestations to the contrary. b’derech hatevah, the only way to squelch this new wave of crime is to plant more plainclothes detectives AND regular foot patrol on the streets from mid evening til early morning. we need to keep doing this til it’s the criminals who start feeling unsafe. of course our good mayor will tell us that… Read more »

To #4
November 20, 2018 12:23 am

The Forward article was written by an African American. So not only do they read it but they also write for it as well. You don’t have to be Jewish to write for or read the Forward.

Folks, please note another 2 troubling details here!
November 20, 2018 12:10 am

1) These Oholei Torah talmidim are mesivta boys — ages 13-16, approximately.
They are even younger than the Toronto talmidim who were attacked recently, who were yeshivah gedolah boys, age 17. (Not that it’s any more OK to attack zal talmidim!!)
And, keep in mind that our even younger fourth-grader (and up) cheder boys are walking around at night for the extra learning programs they are participating in, too!

2) This kind of attack has also happened to O.T. mesivta boys in broad daylight — eerily similar to https://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=40858 — so banning night seder will NOT solve the problem.

Resident
November 19, 2018 11:57 pm

The picture that’s posted here is not Perp that actually got arrested. These were two teens that were with him. Shomrim apprehended them until police arrived.

Btw
November 19, 2018 11:57 pm

The bochurim were the one’s that chased the guys and caught them

Unknown
November 19, 2018 11:47 pm

The bochurim were the one’s who chased the guy

To #4
November 19, 2018 11:37 pm

That’s just cowering down, if you go down that path we might as well move out of ch to “avoid” confrontation. We’re jews and were have constantly had to fight for our survival. Why give up now? We’re clearly have ppl in the community who are doing a great job! Let’s keep standing up

Animals
November 19, 2018 11:27 pm

CH has really turned into a zoo, every day there’s problems now

The hypocrisy, the silence....
November 19, 2018 11:26 pm

Imagine it was the other way around

Eisav sonai ess Yaakov

The perps seem to be grinning and very much at ease
November 19, 2018 11:22 pm

after being apprehended by authorities. Looks like they have no worries!

where are the leaders
November 19, 2018 11:09 pm

if you have a title
do something with it NOW

Unknown
November 19, 2018 10:52 pm

Maybe for the time being there shouldn’t be night seder! This is crazy why can’t people walk the street in peace without being attacked??

Relieved to know...
November 19, 2018 10:51 pm

…that two alleged perpetrators were caught, and that at least one perp was not released right away.

To #2
November 19, 2018 10:50 pm

I didn’t know that African-American teens and their parents read The Forward.

Glad
November 19, 2018 10:48 pm

I’m very happy that the bochrim took the situation into their own hands and gave the thugs what they deserved. Aka. Don’t mess with yiden, you’ll end up in jail!

So it starts
November 19, 2018 10:37 pm

I wonder if this is repercussions from the Yehudah Webster incident and the Forward publishing an article yesterday comparing Crown Heights Hasidim to the Klan.

There is a video
November 19, 2018 10:31 pm

Please post the video of the assault from the yeshiva camera

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