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Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 4:27 pm

If you stopped shoving this anti-Torah right wing agenda down this communities throat, then maybe it would feel more inclusive. I can’t attend a Shabbos meal without hearing racist, misogynistic, hateful rhetoric at the table. It’s not normal. If this community could hold classes and lectures about what’s going on in our country and how it is harming not just democracy, not just women, not just the black community and immigrants and countless others, but the Jewish community as well, then maybe we would see progress and inclusivity. All this to say – please better yourselves. We need to open… Read more »

Berel
Reply to  Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 5:02 pm

You seem very concerned. Thank you for your concern.

Any time
Reply to  Berel
July 7, 2022 6:07 pm

If you’re not concerned, you’re not paying attention.

If concern doesn’t lead to action, democracies fall.

Shalom Aleichem
Reply to  Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 5:04 pm

Come to me for shabbos we don’t discuss politics.

Unstable
Reply to  Shalom Aleichem
July 7, 2022 5:24 pm

This isn’t politics.

This person has an issue with reality.

I think you missed the point of this persons post
Reply to  Shalom Aleichem
July 7, 2022 6:48 pm

We need to be discussing politics because they’re directly linked to morals which are directly linked to Torah. We just need to stop being on the wrong side of history

Unstable
Reply to  Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 5:15 pm

This is not meant as a retort or an insult. Your postings–and it’s fairly easy to compare writing styles–come across as unhinged and out of touch with reality. What “literal Nazis” were at the Capitol? The only murder there was the shooting of a white lady by a black cop. You fail to mention–yet you sound so concerned about blacks–the literal slaughter of blacks being committed by other blacks in EVERY big Democratic city in the country. You fail to mention where in the Torah (that you seem so concerned about) where there is a license to perform abortion on… Read more »

As a crown heightser
Reply to  Unstable
July 7, 2022 6:55 pm

Even I can see through the lies you’re telling. the nazis at the capitol were those men wearing the shirts that said “Auschwitz” on them. the number of black people killed by white men is drastically higher than black on black crime, not that that gets you out of the responsibility of being actively anti-racist Abortion on demand may unfortunately not be sanctioned by halacha, but it is required in some cases according to orthodox Rabbis. If this country obliterates abortion altogether like conservatives want, then that will go against halacha and there goes religious freedom. Liberals are the only… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  As a crown heightser
July 7, 2022 8:52 pm

Up is down. Right is left. Black is white. Source please for more black deaths by white men than black on black crime?

Let's consider, then...
Reply to  As a crown heightser
July 7, 2022 9:44 pm

There are cases where killing a person is required according to Orthodox rabbis. For example, if Person A is pursuing Person B with intent to kill or rape. Now, many states’ laws prevent you from carrying a gun to do so, which violates the religious freedom to follow that halachah.

Are you therefore in favor of changing such laws to allow for that, or is that different because reasons? And do those reasons just happen to dovetail with what the New York Times or Joy Behar are in favor of or against?

Actually
Reply to  Let's consider, then...
July 7, 2022 10:08 pm

Actually many states have what is called Defense of Third Party. That means you can use potentially lethal force to stop someone from killing another person.

You’ll need to articulate your circumstances and will have a large attorney bill but those laws do exist.

All if this is covered in Concealed Carry courses and defensive shooting courses.

You’re missing a key point
Reply to  Actually
July 8, 2022 11:46 am

In states or cities where you can’t carry, you won’t have that lethal force available. So I repeat: is the commenter to whom I responded in favor of making that lethal force available or not? And if not, then why not – isn’t it, by their logic, an interference with the free exercise of religion?

You're missing the point
Reply to  Actually
July 8, 2022 1:34 pm

If you can’t carry a gun in those states or localities, then you lack the potentially lethal force. So I ask again: does the poster to whom I was responding favor the broadening of rights to own and carry guns, following the same logic that otherwise it’s an infringement on our rights to practice our religion? Or is that different because reasons?

So foolish
Reply to  Let's consider, then...
July 7, 2022 10:13 pm

Even if you don’t care about halacha and support banning a woman’s right to choose, do you think these christian religious impositions in America are going to end there? It starts with taking away women’s freedom and it could lead to requiring all children to only pray from a christian book of worship, or for all people to partake of christian holidays… When you stop separating church and state, this doesn’t protect Judaism, it weakens it. We as orthodox Jews benefit from the removal of religion within our government and our laws. It allows us to practice religion however we… Read more »

Explain
Reply to  So foolish
July 8, 2022 12:35 pm

Explain, specifically, what freedom was taken away from women.

The Constitution does not grant freedom to abort a fetus. The supposed 14th Amendment Right to Abortion was an incorrect ruling that was corrected by the Supreme Court.

A woman’s life being in danger from a pregnancy is very rare.

FALSE
Reply to  As a crown heightser
July 10, 2022 7:09 am

You stated “the number of black people killed by white men is drastically higher than black on black crime”.

According to FBI data, in 2018 (the latest year available)
2,925 black people were murdered. Their murderers broke down into 234 white, 2600 black, 17 other, 74 unknown.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Do you think
Reply to  Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 5:16 pm

that maybe it has to do with you? If you start spouting off at the table about how anyone who opposes abortion for any reason is anti-woman, then yes, you’re going to get pushback (and this is true whether you’re a man or a woman). Same with a lot of other topics. (You might also try toning it down with the “literal Nazis” and “white men with guns” junk, when not a single protester on Jan. 6 used a gun, and indeed it was a black officer who fatally shot one of them.) Before you start tarring our entire community… Read more »

Berel
Reply to  Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 5:21 pm

I can count with less than the figures of one hand the shabbos meals I have attended in my life that met your description. If you cannot attend a single one without hearing it, then perforce you define these terms differently than does the community at large. It’s therefore impossible to be inclusive of you and those that think like you if those modes of behavior repel you, unless there is a conscience effort to refrain from speaking about current events at the shabbos table (though that too may not be enough to accommodate the wokest among us). But we… Read more »

Politics by a shabbos table?
Reply to  Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 5:36 pm

Not sure where you eating. Most people I know don’t discuss politics by their shabbos table

Anonymous
Reply to  Include the liberals
July 7, 2022 7:33 pm

Projection at its finest. How about you practice what you preach and show acceptance, tolerance, open-minded inclusivity to these terrible right wing view points you cannot relate to?

Thanks Gd NY is a blue state
July 7, 2022 4:52 pm

The way this community votes terrifies me, but BH the state as a whole is progressive and overpowers the conservative fascists within.

Do you think
Reply to  Thanks Gd NY is a blue state
July 7, 2022 5:19 pm

And by “progressive,” you mean that it supports such things as disposing of unwanted babies on demand, allowing men to claim that they’re women and vice versa, and so forth.

As for “conservative fascists,” you do understand that “fascist” doesn’t just mean “someone with whom I disagree,” right? Fascism is the belief that “everything within the state and nothing outside of the state,” which sounds an awful lot like the Democrat platform.

MY BODY MY CHOICE
Reply to  Do you think
July 7, 2022 10:57 pm

You sound like someone who refused to get vaccinated for Covid. That was your body, your choice, even though I completely disagreed with it. So how dare you even reference what I do with my body.

YOUR Body?
Reply to  MY BODY MY CHOICE
July 8, 2022 12:43 pm

Since when is a fetus “your body?”

Your body and everything else that ever was, is, or will be belongs to G-d.

Really, now?
Reply to  MY BODY MY CHOICE
July 8, 2022 1:42 pm

Here I didn’t say a word about vaccines, yet you confidently state that I “sound like” I hold a particular view on the subject. I think we begin to see the source of the problem at the Shabbos tables you attend: the unfounded assumptions, the question-begging, the chip on the shoulder.

Berel
July 7, 2022 5:03 pm

This is a great letter. Can you next time write this, say, a week or two before the election. Things seem to work out better than way in terms of turnout.

Get the popcorn
July 10, 2022 3:15 am

These comments are pure entertainment

Progressives
July 11, 2022 1:00 pm

I am shocked to read that there is support for left wing progressives amongst our own. Whoever supports them is delusionary. The progressives are out to destroy yiddishkeit and all the values that we stand for. We are facing a much bigger threat of anti semitism from the progressive left. The conservatives are not nazis even though there are a few in that camp. The alliance between the far left and radical islam is alarming. The defund police and bail reform movement, are the biggest threat to our safety. The conservative governor of the state of Florida is a true… Read more »

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