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An Open Letter From Your Child’s Counselor and Learning Teacher

Response to "2 Emails Alerted Me to a Growing Problem in Our Midst": An open letter written by a counselor and learning teacher currently at a Chabad overnight summer camp. "Did you ever stop to think about what we actually do?" Full Story

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You're Right
August 11, 2022 9:23 pm

Sending tip right now

Bracha Miriam
Reply to  You're Right
August 11, 2022 11:07 pm

Actually, he’s wrong. Here’s why: First of all, the author doesn’t properly address the point put forth by the OP (i.e., Nechama from the original article. I’ll be calling her OP henceforth). The OP didn’t argue against tipping camp staff members. Quite the contrary. She argued that counselors should be tipped and sometimes more than camps recommend. She complained only about the counselors’ sense of entitlement, that they somehow deserve tips. The author of this article stating that he is a good and devoted camp counselor doesn’t justify his misplaced expectations of being tipped. In fact, the author himself admits… Read more »

Never said anything about being a bad kid ch'v
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 12, 2022 12:25 am

Even the “easiest camper” has their bad day ( tired of whatever it is, we all have off days), sometimes has nightmares and get hurt ch”v. Doesn’t make him a “bad camper”. But do you know who there to comfort him?.

To bracha miriam
Reply to  Never said anything about being a bad kid ch'v
August 12, 2022 2:39 am

Your point would be correct if the author here meant every example as literal, they are bringing out a true point, which is that the counselors and learning teachers and general staff are devoted to your child every moment of the day, they are there for him or her whenever they need, which differs by camper. Some kids need help overcoming nightmares and some need someone to give them a compliment for benching nicely. And the staff put in tons of energy doing that. That is the point here. Yes it is voluntary, and we do it passionately and joyfully,… Read more »

Bracha Miriam
Reply to  Never said anything about being a bad kid ch'v
August 12, 2022 11:39 am

The parents of such children should certainly tip. I was speaking only of my kids. They don’t have nightmares, nor do they have bad days. Yes, I have a lot of nachas from them, and I pity other parents who struggle to raise their children. Therefore, there’s no reason for me to tip.

Stupidity
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 14, 2022 3:45 am

U tip your waiter at the restaurant, u tip your sons counselor.
To be honest with you, your comment makes my blood boil.
Just because you have a “simple kid“ it doesn’t mean that your exempt from tipping. They still constantly look out for your sons well-being as if it’s there own by making sure he’s happy, eating, sleeping ok, ect.
You know what, I’m done. You comment and attitude is disrespectful.

Angels
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 27, 2022 10:20 pm

I’m so happy for you that G-d granted you with angels as kids and am very happy for your kids counselors who had the privilege of taking care of your angels for 1-2 months

A counselor
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 12, 2022 2:01 am

Have you ever given a shliach a present after staying in his Chabad house as “appreciation”. Shlichus doesn’t mean we’re not human.

Seriously??!!
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 12, 2022 2:33 am

your “perfect” son who is “super popular and good at sports” etc. etc. is probably bullying other children who aren’t popular or aren’t good at sports and because of YOUR “perfect” sons bullying, the counselors have to deal with crying kids and nightmares etc. so don’t go there! When I was a kid I was overweight and I got bullied by the EXACT same type of kids that you describe your son to be! It gave me bad flash backs just reading your response! I still take therapy for the bullying I went through! I’m 30 years old!!

what!?
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 12, 2022 9:43 am

Do you even realize how stuck-up you sound!? It sounds like next you will want your sons dedicated staff to tip YOU, for, in your own words, “having the PRIVILEGE to your son’s staff member”!!!!

I dont call it entitlement
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 12, 2022 10:15 am

I don’t understand how someone can send there kid away for 2 months and put there kids in the responsibility of people who are not getting paid, and they don’t even have the decency to give a tip (even if your son is well behaved as you say u still have people working 24/7 to meet your childs needs)? if bachurim felt entitled to get paid they wouldn’t have signed up for the job, they would have signed up for a paying job. People sign up for the job because they know the positive affect they can have. There are… Read more »

Your wrong
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
August 12, 2022 11:27 am

You realize that the counselors are most probably just saying that to be nice so you like them and will give them a tip But it’s very possible that in camp your sons will act differently than at home even though they are popular and to be honest you probably don’t even know how popular they are in camp cause you’re not with them And yes even though it is a huge privilege to take care of a kid but at 18 to 21 years old that is not the normal thing that bochurim do we sit and learn the… Read more »

Moshe B.
Reply to  You're Right
August 12, 2022 12:16 am

The REAL issue is not being addressed at ALL. After paying over $5,000 USD per child to sleep in a bunkhouse with fellow campers eating… whatever is being served… why is it that the camp “Directors” can’t seem to find money to pay THEIR staff? The camps today are a business like all others. They have little or no compassion for those that can’t afford to pay their way in. The counselors were employed by the camp, not the parents. The parents paid for a service and should not be pestered-non-stop with incessant emails demanding parents pay THEIR staff. Time… Read more »

Couldn’t agree more
August 11, 2022 9:24 pm

Bochurim deserve our appreciation!!

Wow
August 11, 2022 9:25 pm

Now that I read it from their perspective, my entire outlook has changed!
I apologise for not having considered all of that. You couldn’t blame me, it’s not like I could’ve known until now

Your sons waiters
August 11, 2022 9:25 pm

אנחנו מסכים בזה

WAITER!
Reply to  Your sons waiters
August 11, 2022 10:10 pm

WAITER!

Father of a camper
Reply to  Your sons waiters
August 12, 2022 11:24 am

Definitely tip your kids Waiters just as much as the counselors people don’t realize but they work extremely hard getting whatever your kids need

Dedicated Staff Member
August 11, 2022 9:25 pm

I really couldn’t agree more, amazing response!

Lol
August 11, 2022 9:40 pm

Please you were dying to go to camp to be a staff member. It’s an experience of a life time! You’re loving your summer!

The fact that you don’t get paid is camps problem and the directors issue.

Parents pay more money for camp then school. If they don’t tip. Well yes, we wish they did but please don’t be a nudnik.

You sound like an ungrateful parent
Reply to  Lol
August 11, 2022 10:48 pm

At least send a thank you message

Levi
Reply to  Lol
August 11, 2022 10:51 pm

The facts are you could pay 50,000$ and send your child to the most luxurious camp on earth, but still without proper counselors he won’t enjoy it. Money isn’t everything, even a sincere thank you is nice. And such a comment like you left is the exact opposite.

Emes
Reply to  Lol
August 11, 2022 10:56 pm

Your not paying, it’s called a Tip it’s a well due appreciation to a really hard working staff taking full care of your child

What
Reply to  Lol
August 11, 2022 10:57 pm

What school, are you sending your kids to? Public school? Tell me the name, I want to save thousands

Omg
Reply to  Lol
August 11, 2022 11:19 pm

They pay more for camp not because camps are more greedy, it’s because the grounds need to be sustained 52 weeks a year, for a scant 8 weeks of use. Not to mention that camps include all meals and sleeping accommodations for its duration, whereas schools don’t

And local camp??
Reply to  Omg
August 12, 2022 10:33 am

Makes me wonder why the local camp costs so much… They are not paying for all meals it sleeping accommodations! And they don’t even pay for rent or the shul’s utility bills that the camp is located in.

Wow
Reply to  Lol
August 11, 2022 11:25 pm

The above article was spot on as the mother of a learning counselor who is working extremely hard and not only isn’t expecting tips but is using any money given to him to reward his campers I was quite dismayed by the previous article and frankly shocked with your personal response. These counsellors are working hard and deserve our respect and appreciation.

Thank u
Reply to  Wow
August 12, 2022 7:20 am

Lots of nachas your son sounds amazing

Totally agree
Reply to  Wow
August 12, 2022 10:37 am

Couldn’t agree more! Our bochurim are beyond dedicated and give so much of themselves to their students in learning class.

Lies
Reply to  Lol
August 11, 2022 11:31 pm

We were dying to be a staff member only when we were campers. But after yeshiva not really

What are you talking about
Reply to  Lol
August 12, 2022 2:10 am

When your son’s school starts paying for room and board and trips and activities and color war… Then get back to me

Oh plz
August 11, 2022 9:43 pm

Quit whining and get back to the shlichus you signed up for… If you want to earn money for the summer, your best bet is packing boxes at empire kosher. How dare you even use your time for writing an article? Who asked you for your opinion enough that you needed to waste the time given for you to spend on your campers and how long did this article take you to write anyways?? I’m 24 years old. Not some Zaide from Gan Yisroel in the mems. I was a dedicated staff member in camp for over five years! I… Read more »

Yossi S.
Reply to  Oh plz
August 11, 2022 10:53 pm

I pitty the camper who was in your bunk..

Emes
Reply to  Oh plz
August 11, 2022 11:00 pm

Correct, except from the מקבל side the parents should know this

This is the attitude is op-ed is talking about
Reply to  Oh plz
August 11, 2022 11:00 pm

No one goes to camp for the money. ( If he gets pay check in the end, B/c he spent his pay check on his campus.) The $300 for 2 months of sleepless nights, hard work and other and complete dedication. The least you can do is show a bit of thanks for his hard work. ( I think we’d both agree, directors should be paying their stuff more.)

It’s not a mitzva to give without limits
Reply to  Oh plz
August 11, 2022 11:20 pm

People are fully entitled to ask for what they feel they deserve the same way you’re fully entitled to do what works for you. Calling this article stealing campers time is disrespectful and shows a certain attitude as well. A lack of understanding and acceptance, a lack of gratitude, and this attitude is behind many a mistreated and taken advantage of young motivated chabad girl/ boy. This is why Many people have difficult experiences with certain shlichus jobs, because of this ENTITLEMENT ATTITUDE to the work of the youth in the name of giving them a good experience yet lacking… Read more »

Appreciation
August 11, 2022 9:44 pm

I agree with the concept, I disagree with the tip. Funny thing when we girls end up dating you bochurim – most bochurim dont even know what appreciation is but for wanting money you know? Our Rebbe never taught for money you know appreciation but to date or appreciate your fellow bochurim for doing a kind deed you dont know?what message are you sending? Remember appreciation is a midah but money is not. Do not hide behind appreciation in order to get money. Express: we would like to be recognized for the hard work we did and IF you can,… Read more »

Umm
Reply to  Appreciation
August 12, 2022 2:11 am

Good luck on those dates of yours

Thank you
August 11, 2022 9:47 pm

When I read the article – https://collive.com/2-emails-alerted-me-to-a-growing-problem-in-our-midst/ I was horrified that someone could have even missed the point so far, and it left me with a bad feeling for a while.
Seeing this made me realize that I’m not the only one with the right point of view and it’s a great feeling knowing that other people aren’t afraid to go out there and respond to such stuff

A validated counselor

Nogeh B’dvar
August 11, 2022 9:49 pm

All true, but since you are nogeh b’dvar you should not be allowed to post your opinion on this. Joking.
Haha.
Yes, true and I am also sending in tips. Maybe not tonight. But I will

Saying thank you
August 11, 2022 9:52 pm

Even a text to that staff member, saying thank you for his hard work, goes along way!

normal counselor
Reply to  Saying thank you
August 12, 2022 12:37 am

or a letter for those without a phone

Wow
August 11, 2022 9:55 pm

My son didn’t like camp very much this year, and said that he will only go back next year if he gets the same counselor he had this year, he said he was so caring.
Thank you counselor!

been there, done that.
August 11, 2022 9:55 pm

But by the same token, when you sign up as a counselor or learning teacher for camp, you know what you are in for. Your responsibilities were no secret when you took the job. If you look at it as a shlichus, then you are on call 24/7. If you look at it as a job, then the camp administration should compensate you for your efforts. And truth be told, the camp staff has a great time being with their friends and farbrenging with their chevra. Most staff members go to camp with their friends and have plenty of down… Read more »

Ymh
August 11, 2022 9:56 pm

Disclaimer I’m not a staff member and I have no children old enough to be in overnight so I feel that I’m unbiased in this case
A bunch of nonsense written by someone that bichlal doesn’t understand the plight of some parents
Have you seen the financial problems of some of them
The camps should maybe appreciate/pay more I don’t know the answer to that
But how can you demand a tip from parents that May not even have money to put bread on the table

A parent
Reply to  Ymh
August 11, 2022 10:54 pm

Yes this, we were living off of savings and food boxes. We had an unexpected injury that barely brought in any income. I did not tip the counselors yet. Iyh when the income goes back to the regular levels we will tip.

No issue
Reply to  A parent
August 11, 2022 11:57 pm

If you’re unable to tip, you still can be grateful in other ways, and express it.

The emails came from the camp administration
Reply to  Ymh
August 11, 2022 11:29 pm

Not the counselors

A happy parent
August 11, 2022 9:59 pm

I am a parent and I gave Lots of tips this summer.
 counselor and learning teachers totally deserve to be tipped!!!

Practical
August 11, 2022 10:02 pm

This visiting day I gave my child’s staff a bar of chocolate and a stick of deodorant. What do bochurim need money for??

Hans zimmer
Reply to  Practical
August 11, 2022 10:57 pm

Definitely from England.

Bochurim??? Deodorant????
Reply to  Practical
August 11, 2022 11:25 pm

Halevi! Chas veshalom for a bochur to use deodorant

a mom of a camper
August 11, 2022 10:07 pm

very well put and i agree 100%, i have tipped and will again!

LIFEGUARDS!
August 11, 2022 10:15 pm

While you’re at it, might as well put in a few extra bucks for “your dear son’s” amazing lifeguards!

They guard the kids lives
Reply to  LIFEGUARDS!
August 12, 2022 1:01 am

Tip ’em or they tip you.

Resident
August 11, 2022 10:16 pm

To the bachur who wrote this letter, thank you for explaining your feelings in a beautiful way . This was well written and informative in bringing in helping us understand another point of view . You sound like an amazing person and the kids are lucky to have you !!! I have deep appreciation for all the work bachurim do in any capacity . They keep the fire burning for our children in this dark generation after gimmel taamuz. May you all be bentched with success in the upcoming year in your personal life and community work that you do.

Absurd
Reply to  Resident
August 12, 2022 4:40 am

You’re condoning horrible behavior. This counselor has real chutzpah expecting tips. Sense of entitlement is disgusting. He should’ve known all the details before signing up and not read some stories to parents whose life revolves around taking care of children how it is to stay with someone with a headache till 2 AM. Pathetic. does not sound like a chossid at all

Resident
Reply to  Absurd
August 12, 2022 4:46 pm

My friend , the author is just showing his side of the story . You don’t need to agree but can we please have some respect for some one else’s point of view ?

Dedicated canteen manager
August 11, 2022 10:23 pm

Appreciation for giving your son free canteen when he’s waiting for money to be added to his account

A mother
Reply to  Dedicated canteen manager
August 12, 2022 2:03 am

He only needs to add canteen money because all the food is way overpriced. Despicable.

The Truth
August 11, 2022 10:26 pm

The camps charge so much yet pay the staff nothing. We should all turn to the camps administrators and demand they pay fair wages to their staff. They make it like it’s a privilege to work for free for 2 months 24 hours a day and then tell the parents to add a tip. I believe every parent should tip handsomely regardless because the staff do an amazing job and dedicated their summers to ensure each kid in their care has a great summer but this is on the administration to pay.

Brilliant
Reply to  The Truth
August 12, 2022 12:07 am

The camps charge so much, so let’s force them to pay counselors well so they will need to charge the parents even more! Lol. Just be a grown up and be happy that there is one aspect in camp that you have autonomy in how much to pay, which is the tips for the counselors (/waiter/ teacher). It cost like $150-$175 per month to tip your kids staff a median tip. Just be a grown up and tip. You are financially strapped? Send a nice card or at least text message. Ingrates here. Nobody is getting rich off of camps.… Read more »

Brilliant
Reply to  The Truth
August 12, 2022 12:10 am

I meant $150-$175 combined (waiter+LT+ 2 counselors = $175)

a apologetic parent
August 11, 2022 10:30 pm

I have a kid in camp, I didn’t tip his counselors…I thought they didn’t really deserve it, how foolish I was! Thank you for knocking some sense into my head! I just cash apped my son’s counselors 300$ EACH, and my sons learning teacher 200$, I hope others will follow in my new ways, as in truth the devotacated staff deserve a lot more.

What?!
Reply to  a apologetic parent
August 11, 2022 10:43 pm

Why did you give the learning teacher less?
Ungrateful!

ummmmmm
Reply to  What?!
August 28, 2022 12:09 am

ummmmmmmm
maybe because the counselor is the one who is busy with the kid 24/7 and the learning counselor like 1/7….

Lol
Reply to  a apologetic parent
August 11, 2022 11:01 pm

This comment sounds fake

Waiter
Reply to  a apologetic parent
August 11, 2022 11:28 pm

I think your actions are great and the staff members really deserved it However not take away from what you did sofar there is one more staff member who often goes unlocked and that is your sons waiter who sets up three times a day every single day has to give up his lengthy shabbos davening like he usually does in yeshivah every week in order to set up to ur sons shabbos meal He cleans up the tables sets up the tables and refills the Food when it runs out and helps your son find what to eat when… Read more »

i agree
Reply to  Waiter
August 28, 2022 12:10 am

well put

Omg
Reply to  a apologetic parent
August 12, 2022 12:12 am

That’s super generous, half that would more than suffice. But i applaud your humility, and willingness to grow and be generous

I am a counselor
August 11, 2022 10:36 pm

By the way when a parent shows appreciation it strengthen’s the counselors motivation to keep up his hard work.

Ps even just a thank you without money

Love this
August 11, 2022 10:38 pm

He hit the nail on the head. This has nothing to do with how much camps pay and everything to do with why we go to camp as counselors- to give back what we got as campers.

And the tip
Reply to  Love this
August 11, 2022 11:17 pm

You forgot to mention tip. Both beautiful articles were about tipping. If you don’t include this vital vital detail, I’m afraid you’re missing the whole purpose of the vital vital discussion.

A counselor
Reply to  And the tip
August 12, 2022 2:05 am

I’m afraid you have an agenda

Clarify
August 11, 2022 10:46 pm

Appreciation meaning money or appreciation meaning a SIMPLE thank you message?
Don’t have the money? I won’t ask for it or expect it. But I have the right to expect an appreciation message

$$$
August 11, 2022 11:07 pm

I totally agree and you all deserve the bigger salary and tips, free time for yourself etc . I do give whatever is suggested, I wish to give more, but we just can’t, When you see my $50 per two month it’s nothing for you, but when I have an extra bill of $1K just for tips per my few kids that were not mentioned when I signed the camp tuition & I need to find this expense in my budget… I wish camp could put Tips in a tuition agreement as part of the camp expense that we should… Read more »

I agree 100%
Reply to  $$$
August 11, 2022 11:36 pm

I agree 100%

About last article
Reply to  $$$
August 12, 2022 2:38 am

It’s funny how different this comment is to the first article, where the author was complaining how the camps suggest tips even before the summer.
I don’t understand why the author of the first article was so upset about this what you’re saying here makes much more sense

Nudnik
August 11, 2022 11:25 pm

Wow you are money hungry

A counselor
Reply to  Nudnik
August 12, 2022 2:06 am

Looks like you forgot to read the article…

Simple
August 11, 2022 11:26 pm

Parents owe appreciation to the people that take care of your kids. If you’d tip the bellboy for handling your luggage for 2 minutes, you should tip the ones handling your most prized possession for an entire summer.

If you can’t afford it, then thank them effusively, but to be an ingrate isn’t good. The fact that the staff enjoy their summer isn’t your license for being an ingrate.

(I’m a parent of campers. Not a staff member in a camp. Of course I tipped my children’s staff!)

Night activity
August 11, 2022 11:29 pm

Speaking of camp this my night activity for tonight… Mamish entertaining comments
Bringing out my popcorn… might as well get comfy in my camp merch comfy that CAMP gave out for APPRECIATION FOR THE HARDWORKING COUNSELORS

Esther Malka
August 11, 2022 11:33 pm

I just want to make something very clear. I visited one of these so called summer camps, and the way the staff members were looking was utterly disgusting. How dare you pull the “shlichus” card on hard working parents. Shame on you. You don’t need tips, you need therapy.

A counselor
Reply to  Esther Malka
August 12, 2022 2:07 am

And then you wonder why your son has a bad chinuch…

CGI Florida Girls
August 11, 2022 11:36 pm

As an advocate for the girls camps. What about the female staff? Where’s our tips? Shame on you, you are the problem. Nothing left to say. #shocked # unthinkable #freetheelbow

Utter shock
Reply to  CGI Florida Girls
August 12, 2022 10:35 am

You write #freetheelbow if that’s how you feel in life you have no place going to the rebbes camp and you have no reason to demand tips because you are not appreciated all you care about is your own comfert not about the rebbes guidelines and shulchan aruch
#stayfrum #wearechasidim

Tzvi noach
Reply to  CGI Florida Girls
August 12, 2022 12:54 pm

I dont want to make a whole feminist movement cv”s, cause I love hashem so much and keeping the decades old Jewish tradition and laws are very important, but I definitely understand the last hashtag you poor girls wrote, it’s 98 degrees in Florida! But girls, you have to understand that your elbows are truly free if you keep the guidelines that our holy sages have established for us! I am a mechanich for boys and I understand what your all talking about, I have to walk around in a hat and jacket in the boiling hot sun as well…… Read more »

Truth
Reply to  CGI Florida Girls
August 13, 2022 10:10 pm

Number one – who counted the girls out??
Number 2 – especially after the last #, you made it a joke and if it’s serious then you don’t belong there, forget about the tip.

anonymous
Reply to  CGI Florida Girls
August 28, 2022 12:16 am

and if were talking about other camps what about the day camp counselors
we also work extremely hard taking care of your kids for most of the day and just because im 15, and not 17 i deserve less appreciation…?!?!?!

Waiter
August 11, 2022 11:38 pm

Your sons waiters also puts in a lot of time for you kid, from clearing the tables ,trying to find a good substitution for a food that’s not his taste to making do and continuing to pull that tablecloth off the table into the garbage despite how many holes your son has managed to make in it and as a waiter I am telling no matter how good ,well behaved or brought up your son is he has multiple demands by every meal. Yes we come here as a shlichus but that does mean you can’t show a little appreciation… Read more »

Menucha
August 11, 2022 11:40 pm

I am sorry you do have a future in writing but maybe for cnn all you write is fake news you do feel in titled for money when you are busy hiding in the staff lounge when I come during visiting day to hear a couple of words of nachas what I can say is that this year was the first of many that my son’s counselor was very mentchlech and would you believe it his tip was doubled

You got his job wrong
Reply to  Menucha
August 12, 2022 2:20 am

So what if a bochur is too shy to meet you? That’s why he doesn’t deserve a tip? Because he’s doesn’t make a good impression on the parents!?

Find out how he treats your child, and tip accordingly.

Say thanks
August 11, 2022 11:43 pm

The point is to show your appreciation, although money is appreciated by staff, it doesn’t necessarily need to be in that form of appreciation (especially if you can’t afford). Even a simple thank you note can make the staff member feel appreciated, needed and that he matters.

Camp Admin
August 11, 2022 11:43 pm

Can’t get enough of parents and counselors arguing with each other while they run off with all the money.

Parents pay a lot of money and counselors don’t get paid while the admins make a profit. I believe there is a word for profiting off unpaid labor but I can’t remember it.

You got his job wrong
Reply to  Camp Admin
August 12, 2022 2:22 am

What are you talking about? Do you know what goes into running a camp?

Everyone pays and everyone gains.

CH Resident
August 12, 2022 12:01 am

BH, all my children have since grown up, and I haven’t had a child in camp for 15+ years. However, judging from these camp emails, I really see no difference to the tipping attitude before, or now. It’s just that now that we have new technology that makes you be able to send money from wherever you are, and automatic emails to all parents, that’s the camp uses it out to remind about and stress tipping. Yes, the suggested amount has gone up, but so has the price of everything gone up, it’s life. No this isn’t coming from a… Read more »

Tip your waiter
August 12, 2022 12:04 am

Your sons waiter 3 times a day, starting half hour before the meal and ending way after the meal is there for your child, to care for his needs and make sure he eats, and fun fact! They don’t get paid by camp, sooo the least you can do is tip your waiter

Absurd
Reply to  Tip your waiter
August 12, 2022 4:35 am

Camps should be paying waiters something. Tips should not be relied on

Love this reply
Reply to  Tip your waiter
August 12, 2022 9:33 am

In fact some camps make the waiters pay to come, just adding to your point

Just want to say
August 12, 2022 12:24 am

I am currently a staff member in CGI Montreal and I just want parents to know that when you send me a text thanking me for what I’m doing and show gratitude, it means a lot more to me than the extra $30 you add to my $50 tip to make it $80.
So parents who can’t afford to tip highly, please don’t feel bad, I value your recognition of my efforts over any money.

If they gave us the counselors number
Reply to  Just want to say
August 12, 2022 4:34 am

If they gave us the counselors number I would be texting and showing appreciation.

Buchrim vs parents
August 12, 2022 12:30 am

BUCHRIM: They like Money they want money and most comments will be based off of that but the fact is they don’t go up to a parent demanding money. No email say in order for your son to come to camp he needs to pay his councler its definitely suggested but it’s optional the amount is just for alot of parents that just don’t have any idea how much there ment to give. PARENTS: Dont listen to Buchrim comments that they should get money remember bottom line is its your choice no email ever said u have to thers alot… Read more »

Love this reply
August 12, 2022 12:58 am

I couldn’t agree more on this answer I’m a counselor in a overnight camp this year only because when I was a camper I had 4 summer’s of a lifetime and I want to give the kids the summer of a life time, it’s not about the money it’s about having an awesome time and if that means asking the parents to help out then that’s what we’ll do, (either way most of our tip money goes straight to the campers for late nights etc..) so please don’t make a fuss about a tip, it’s not the reason we signed… Read more »

Feeling excluded
August 12, 2022 1:23 am

Just wanted to comment on the fact that for some reason I’m seeing only “him” “bochur” “my son” what happened to other half of the population, all the staff in the girls camp, we also work 24/7 for your child spiritually ,physically, and emotionally, how come our efforts go unnoticed?
I do appreciate the authors attempt to bring up this important topic, however a more inclusive article would have been more appreciated.

Wrong
Reply to  Feeling excluded
August 13, 2022 10:07 pm

But he’s writing about his own personal experience….

A Staff Member
August 12, 2022 1:25 am

I’m currently a staff member in camp. I did not come to camp with tips in mind. I came to give back. I have no problem speaking, jumping, or dancing in front of campers. But, when parents started pulling in on visiting day, I got nervous, and did not approach any parents. I stuck around as I was instructed to incase any parent would wish to speak to me. I don’t need your money. A message. An email. A note of gratitude would make me and any staff member feel seen, and appreciated. I’m writing this to let the previous… Read more »

Concerned Chossid
August 12, 2022 1:46 am

I don’t think we could blame the staff for anything, they’re all post Gimmel Tammuz chassidim. They don’t fully know the feeling of having a rebbe B’Gashmiyus with them.
It’s the parents, which many were alive then, that feel this and give that feeling to their children.
We need Moshiach now. We need the rebbe here B’Gashmiyus to help us and guide us to do the right thing…

Some outstanding camps going on this summer!
August 12, 2022 1:55 am

Just want to say — that I had children in several camps this summer — two boys camps, two girls camps — and they are all having an AMAZING summer. So their counselors, and head staff, and waiters, and learning teachers must be working hard, and well, and doing things right — because the children don’t want to come home!! And are learning and gaining so much — as we know from what the Rebbe said about overnight 24 hour camps! So, just wanted to chime in and say THANK YOU to everyone behind these wonderful camps! I’m not really… Read more »

We do not have the counselors /teachers phones
Reply to  Some outstanding camps going on this summer!
August 14, 2022 1:13 am

The camp doesn’t give personal information and not a personal camp email ( which is easy to create). So we have zero communication between parents & counselors/teachers.
It’s maybe better idea to have some sort of communication between us at least to send thank you notes & tip or just a thank you note & maybe gift card

Keep it quiet
August 12, 2022 1:57 am

Asking for a tip or bichlolus yoiser asking someone to thank you is extremely magnetic. This whole discussion is off. When I get my $100 tip per month from gone few decent parents of my bunk, I appreciate it, and am low-key happy but I don’t tell them “hey you just did what you were supposed to do”. Some rules are meant to remain unspoken

Pre gimmel tamuz staff member
August 12, 2022 2:06 am

Don’t even get me started on hard working staff, the general staff are the backbone of camp without them the counselor’s wouldn’t be able to function if your on the note of tipping tip your son’s general staff.

A counselor
August 12, 2022 2:09 am

I treat the campers based on the tip…

Focus on a solution, not on the problem!
August 12, 2022 2:27 am

Almost every single comment was absolutely missing the point! Unfortunately there has become a war between the parents and the counselors! Instead the “war” should be the parents and counselors on one team united fighting against the rigged socialist style billionaire camp directors who take in the cash leaving the poor staff penniless in the name of shlichus, and sucking more hard earned money out of the already struggling parents! Let’s stand together, parent and staff, and demand that the money hungry camp directors give the staff a proper pay check, so the staff aren’t so desperate for tips. Tips… Read more »

Thanks for the entertainment everyone
August 12, 2022 3:28 am

But seriously, camps should just pay their staff half decently. Its not the parents job to pay the salary and not the staffs job to expect tips from everyone. Dont try to change the system. Every bunk has tipping kids and dont. I am a staff in a day camp and probably working harder than any overnight and not gonna get tipped at all. (Im working on my op ed for that… ) so directors im talking to you. Unless u enjoy reading these, plz just start paying…

seems to miss the point.
August 12, 2022 3:30 am

I don’t think anyone argues that counselors in camps and volunteers in chessed organizations work hard and well. The discussion was about money. Should they be paid? Is this a shlichus or chessed? If they should be paid, by who, how much, and does that pay need to be supplemented by “tips”? Parents pay camps tuition – sometimes more than they pay schools. Chessed organizations raise funds for their operations. Do camp directors and other staff get paid? Do chessed organization directors get paid? What’s the relationship between money and organization directors and other staff and counselors and volunteers? Seems… Read more »

They need to be educated
August 12, 2022 4:24 am

Counselors are accepted to do the job. If they’re going for the tips they’re going for the wrong reason. They are shluchim and they should assume they’re getting zero in tips. Every dollar that they get they should appreciate. I like how they’re telling parents what it’s like to be caring for kids. This whole thing is pathetic and they should be ashamed. Today’s 18 year olds have a sense of entitlement which is completely wrong.

Sorry but I don’t agree
August 12, 2022 4:30 am

Yes you deserved appreciation yes we Thank you for what you do and I’m happy to express it and send you an email to express our appreciation but what’s the connection with money ? salary need to be pay from camp director we paying them very expensive they making a lot of money on you deal with them don’t come to us parents to pay

Agree
August 12, 2022 4:47 am

I completely agree a tip should be given, it is still so hard after all the summer expenses you think your done and then the tips come up.

Absurd
August 12, 2022 4:54 am

And telling a boy 5 stories til he falls asleep. Please…just stop

anonymous
Reply to  Absurd
August 28, 2022 12:26 am

excuse me?!?!
also u totally missed the point
he was not saying that he shld be tipped for telling ur kid 5 stories, hes just pointing out all the extra that goes in to helping your kid have the best summer ever!

Camp is expensive - kind of
August 12, 2022 6:31 am

Yes camp is expensive, but quite frankly the Chabad camps are a whole lot less than most other frum camps. Camp Moshava is $8200 for the whole summer, camp romemu is $5300.
I fail to understand the debate at all. You tip the waiter in a restaurant, the uber driver and the guy who delivers groceries, but you’re not sure if you should tip the bochur that cares for your child?

tipping
Reply to  Camp is expensive - kind of
August 12, 2022 1:01 pm

Actually I dont tip any of those people unless theyve done something super out of the ordinary.

Same rates what are u taking about?
Reply to  Camp is expensive - kind of
August 14, 2022 1:24 am

Rommemu 5K for full summer our camp was 4,2K…
CH is not so wealthy or even not middle class to afford expensive camps, and our camps are not fancy shmancy 5 star hotels …

anonymous
Reply to  Camp is expensive - kind of
August 28, 2022 12:26 am

well put

Emes
August 12, 2022 7:05 am

I love how camps masks themselves trying to “Force” to tip so they can stay out of the picture and still be able to hire more staff the following years.

Counselors on visiting day
August 12, 2022 12:53 pm

To that article that counselors don’t come to parents on visiting day: it happens to be that on visiting day a situation came up that i was busy insuring a camper’s safety. So I didn’t come over to you, because I was too busy taking care of my campers. Sorry.

Is this for real
August 13, 2022 10:29 pm

Are these op-eds for real, or just some post Tisha B’Av entertainment?
You take a taxi/Uber, you tip on top of the payment. You go to a restaurant, you tip on top of the payment (18%!)… etc…
When you send your son to camp, and you pay, you also tip the counselor and learning teacher… Unless your children are less important to you then your restaurant meal and Uber…

Everyone has it wrongg
August 14, 2022 12:23 am

The counselors LT and waiters dont go to camp to become millionaires they are there to have fun and to give your child a summer of a lifetime. They are brave and awesome and us parents need to see all they do to ensure our children are safe and having fun. No need the 1000$ tip just a nice card text email or a chocolate will do the job. So dont spend 200$ per kid spend 2$ a chocolate bar and a nice heartfelt THANK YOU. The messege of tipping is a token of appreciation not to make them rich… Read more »

I was a counselor in 1959 and 1960
August 14, 2022 1:18 am

As I recall, my salary for two months at an overnight camp was $200 the first summer and $300 the second summer. No tips for anyone. I would have thought salaries for counselors would be much larger now. Consider that I was making $1.00 an hour — that’s one dollar — at my sales girl job the previous summer. What’s the minimum wage today? If camp salaries had risen proportionally, ask yourself what the counselors today should receive. It’s pretty obvious that they are underpaid.

From a parent with several campers
August 14, 2022 5:12 am

Great article – every counselor, learning teacher and waiter must be tipped they deserve it more than anyone
I hope all parents do this for the pple that took care of their kids in camp
It’s part of the expense and it’s a must no matter how hard it is

anonymous
August 28, 2022 12:34 am

Well put! One thing i want to point out is the tipping of day camp counselors, specifically jcs. We all know that the jc works way harder than the main counselor in most situations, mainly because they are veiwed as the shlepper who’s job is to do all the annoying jobs that no one else wants to do, like taking the kid to the bathroom even tho you just took 5 others, and had to walk up THAT hill in camp. And how much do we get tipped? Just because im 15 instead of 17/18 doesnt mean i didnt work… Read more »

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