By COLlive reporter
A historic synagogue in Brooklyn is behind the construction of the “Greater Crown Heights Eruv” in hopes to attract young Jewish families to the area.
Members of Congregation Kol Israel in Prospect Heights put the final touches on the Eruv this week to enable local Jews to carry freely on Shabbos.
The Eruv is part of 5 Eruvin that cover Brownstone Brooklyn, including Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, Carroll Gardens, Boerum Hill, Gowanus, Park Slope, Prospect Heights, Windsor Terrace, and now Prospect Lefferts Gardens and Crown Heights.
All 3 members of the Crown Heights Beis Din (Badatz), Rabbis Avraham Osdoba, Yaacov Schwei and Yosef Braun, voiced their objections in recent months to an Eruv being built locally citing various reasons.
The new Eruv runs on the north along Pacific Street, continuing on the east down Buffalo Avenue, along a part of Rockaway Parkway and Ruthland Road to Utica Avenue. On the south, it crosses Clarkson Avenue to Washington Avenue on the west.
Speaking to COLlive.com on Friday, Kol Israel’s Rabbi Elkanah Schwartz said the members of his synagogue built the Eruv “because they feel (that) as least those that want to carry, won’t be desecrating Shabbos.”
Asked how he reconciled that with the opposition of Crown Heights rabbis, Rabbi Schwartz said the Eruv was created for “those not part of the Chabad community.”
He deferred additional questions to the “Eruv Committee” of Kol Israel and the Prospect Heights Shul: Michael Chasan, Naftali Hanau, David Katz and Kol Israel longtime activist Abe Haspel.
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Kol Israel was founded in 1924 and is the oldest continuously practicing Orthodox community in Prospect Heights. It is frequented by “Chassidic to Modern Orthodox to just plain curious,” according to their website.
Hanau, who grew up in Rochester, NY, says his father, a physician, would walk without water on sunny Shabbos days to visit patients because the local Eruv was yet to be constructed.
“Now, those in our community going to do rounds can take water with them,” says Hanau, a coordinator of the Eruv Committee in Brooklyn.
SUNY Downstate Medical Center is just outside the new Eruv border, but the Kings County Hospital Center is included in it.
Hanau said he felt sorry that the new Eruv, which has been in the works for several years, is the subject of controversy among the Chabad-Lubavitch community in Crown Heights.
“I understand that some don’t like it,” Hanau told COLlive.com. “We’re not trying to antagonize and not trying to change anyone’s way of life. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to use it.”
Hanau said the Eruv was intended “for our shul,” citing some 15-20 families who live within the borders of the new Crown Heights Eruv. “We’ve been here since the 1920s. It has nothing to do with them,” he added, referring to the neighboring Chassidic community.
Chevra Ahavas Yisroel, a modern Orthodox congregation in Crown Heights, announced the new Eruv on Facebook. But Hanau said they had no relationship with them, adding that it’s possible some of their members contributed individually.
“The Eruv is very expensive to check and upkeep,” he said. “It is incumbent on those using the Eruv to support the Eruv financially.”
A weekly update on the eruv status of the Kol Israel Eruv, Brower Park Eruv and Greater Crown Heights Eruv will be sent by ckibrooklyn.org/eruv.
Update, 2:45 pm:
Naftali Hanau of the Eruv committee stated that a message being shared on WhatsApp messaging service about the suspension of the Eruv is “absolutely false.”
The message, supposedly signed by Rabbi Schwartz, who is in his late 70’s and lives in Boro Park, claims that he will “take down the Eiruv, and rebuild it only with clear permission from the Crown Heights Rabbis.”
“I just spoke to Rabbi Schwartz, and he never wrote such a thing,” Hanau told COLlive.com. “The eruv is a project of Congregation Kol Israel and any statement regarding this will be made by them.”
The Eruv was built by the lay leadership of Kol Israel with the guidance of an Eruv expert, Hanau said. He would not name the rabbi because of fears of badgering.
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The Rebbe may have been against an Eiruv.
Maybe.
The Rebbe was definitely against our Rabonim fighting openly with each other.
For sure.
I grew up in Monsey, and hardly anyone uses the eruv there. The children play in their backyards, while the mothers enjoy some peace and quiet inside. It is actually pretty rare to see a stroller out, because it is prohibited to push it over grass. The up and coming neighborhood of Pomona does not have an eruv yet, and people are still moving there in droves. There are plenty of opportunities for women to go out on Shabbos, without an eruv being around Crown Heights. Eastern Parkway is always full of married women walking, on Shabbos afternoons. Just because… Read more »
I have been living in CH for decades and Crown Heights has changed a lot since the Rebbi was here, and everyone is talking about the eruv being up and there are more important things going on in CH then someone putting up an eruv, that could prevent someone from carrying on Shabbos, get a life and stop talking about taking it down,
you know that we are ruining the eruv so if you deicde to carry its your problem that you get the aveira not ours
But not all who live in the area are Lubavitch. And for Jews who want affordable housing, kosher stores and a shul for shabbos, an eruv is a must. For most Shabbos is about community, and not locking women up at home with babies and nowhere to go or still shlepping to your mothers house. Plus, these people can actually sustain a community here as prices go up its doubtful many Lubavitchers will be able to afford to stay.
The eruv is not for everyone If you are not happy with the eruv being up, just don’t use it, but there are some people that are happy with it being put up,
number 12 the rebbe said NO LO MIT groser ALEF
Rabbi Heller just addressed the eiruv issue in kolel and asked to share his words. The following was written up by one of the people in attendance. 1. Eiruvin is from the three most difficult sugiyos in halacha. To make an eiruv in a city (which is a different ballgame then a bungalow colony etc). Is extremely complicated, there are only יחידים in our dor that know how to do it properly. It’s like a heart surgery, you cant just be a regular dr. you have to be a regular dr plus specialise in hearts… He said its actually harder… Read more »
חוצפה שאין כמותה did you חס ושלום forget about the Rebbe the Rebbe said clearly not to make a eruv
One good news…the Crown Heights Rebbeim agree on something …I guess this is what it takes to unite us…?
people are misreading the boundries of the eiru from the map and are under the assumption that the greater CH are is under Eiruv and were carrying on shabbos
this is horrible
were are the rabbonim ????
I think the reason why people are going nuts and not calming down, is because they can only feel at ease with themselves when they are putting others down. I think it’s clear that the Eiruv is not being organised by the Chabad community and is therefore not intended to serve the needs of the Chabad community. If that’s the case, why the uproar? Because machlokes is fun! Divisiveness makes me look frummer! If I become more tolerant and accepting of other expressions of Orthodox Judaism, I might lose my connection with Chabad because it is so, so strong. We… Read more »
you write “Crown height not chabad It’s important for all to know that crown heights is NOT exclusively Lubavitch. It never was. In fact during the election of the Badatz the rebbe made it very clear that crown heights is not only Lubavitch and therefore the badatz can NOT be part of anything Lubavitch or have any authority within Lubavitch” ALL RESIDENTS OF CH INCLUDING ALL THE MOSDOS IN CH (LUBAVITCH OR NON LUBAVITCH) ARE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE BADATZ OF CH. INCLUDING THE SHUL KOL ISRAEL ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY TOOK PART OF ALL THE ELECTIONS DONE IN CH… Read more »
says 179, who is sitting on COL, writing offensive comments and who clearly ALSO doesn’t have a life!
The Rebbe was so against an extensive eiruv which is used publically…. WHY ARE WE MAKING ONE!!!
What has happened to US Chabad Chassidim!!!!! 🙁
Imagine if this was a new CH restaurant that will be opened on shabbos and a mystery rabbi/hechsher is claimed to give it a heter mechira
Honoring tradition, obeying the great leaders of the recent past, and modest dress and behavior earns the respect of our neighbors and helps them to resist the demagogues who call for violence.
Would you eat in a restaurant without the Hechsher on display?
Would you buy a Sefer Torah from Walmart?
In order to be able to use the Eruv, you have to know if it really is a kosher eruv, or if this is just a ploy to divide us, without there really being an eruv up.
My heart literally goes out to all of you that have nothing better to do but to sit on col and write these comments
I think it’s a bigger problem that you all have no life than the machlokes about the Eruv
Go and get a life!
I cry for people like you
Hope you all grow up and find a purpose in your life
i don’t care whether there is or isn’t an eruv, but i like that things get done by people that want them done and those who think they can control the actions of others don’t get their way
Mazal tov.
BH they didn’t succeed
BH Enough arguing. We know what’s right. Its sad to see people going against the Rebbe and the Rabbonim in His Shchuna, whether they consider him their Rebbe or not. There are obviously alot of things going on behind the scenes that we’re not aware of. Bribes and so on. Its quite sad that this is in relation to CH. I’m 20, and its painful to see what goes on.. All the machlokes. I don’t plan on raising my children in CH among all the machlokes although I wish I could raise them in the Rebbe’s Shchuna. I believe if… Read more »
The Rebbe also said to love your fellow Jew like your own. You’re so concerned about what the Rebbe thinks about the Eruv. Maybe your should think about what the Rebbe would think about all your hatred to one another.
This is amazing for nowadays the people of crown heights have great need for an eruv. This is the best thing to happen to ch since Kingston pizza
All the comments with people pig bananas are ridiculous because this has ZERO to do with Chabad. In fact other non-Lubavitch Jews were there first. Be respectful and decent. Everyone knows that Chabad won’t use it, so don’t! Non-Lubavitch Jew don’t need permission of Chabad to conduct their own Judaism. Speak for yourself! I as a Sepharadi Jew do it use these strings on posts. We don’t jump up and down and have a fit when other Jews do.
How will we be able to bring kids games from one house to the next without it
To put it in simple words, it seems there are a number of people that are trying to distance themselves from their upbringing, but cannot make the jump because of guilt feelings (- a form of Bipolar disease). Its time to make the jump, either move out of the CH Lubavich community to Tribeca or anywhere else and you will not have to live with the constant reminder and family embarrassment when you cut your beard, or your wife walks around with pants or worse etc. kids going to public school. or return to your roots and join the community… Read more »
@158
Post 131 Was meant for post 126 – it moved down after I commented. It might sound a little different now ;).
OP 131
The eruv is pusul, because Rabbi Schwartz no longer endorses it.
It’s about time Crown Heights had an eruv!
The people of Prospect Heights had no right to put up an eruv, in a neighborhood they do not live in.
Of people with yellow flags as they did the grand opening of the eriv #The one with the yellow thing on a shirt pulled out a Pier of scissor on a ladder and cut it while singing so so
#154 says it all. Its NOT meant for all you gedolai hador so dont get mad and flatter yourselves about something that is NOT intended for you. Also by ripping it down you think you are so smart and mighty but anyone that will carry will be mechalel Shabbos in your name. So how smart will you be then?
SIGH
yeridas hadoros
Who is frum and who is not.
Who is a chossid and who is not
Who cares about the Torah and mitzvos.
And those who don’t will use the eiruv and violate shabbos cv”s..
Just like they violate the laws af kashrus (cholov AKUM) and taharas mishpacha (lack of kosher clothing and intermingling).
You have been warned. The eruv will be torn down. Don’t use it.
May Hashem have mercy on the fools and bring them back too the ways of Torah.
M.Z.
YOU ARE LUBAVITCHER SHLUCHIM. You’re supposed to bring other Jews closer! I think an eruv is an excellent idea. You’re preventing those who carry on shabbbat to carry and break shabbat! Even if they don’t keep shabbat or whatever, you’re still helping them with one aspect! Just because there is an eruv, there is no need to feel threatened. Just don’t use it. Don’t be jerks about it. And the rebbe would probably allow one in this day and age.
Oy givalt ich ken nemen a tuna bigel ztom 770 nisht inter talis ven kiner kookt (Anonymous cause I don’t want to get) stoned
thay are going agints the rebbe dont cry later when its too late
The fact that you guys are on col means you have nothing better to do including me. But none of you guys actually know what you are saying.
Yours truly
The Eruv
@131
I never mentioned anything about American law.
you might want to clue your self into what it means to be a chossid.
PS America iz nit andersh
O.P.#125
That’s a dum conclusion, the rebbe was not against putting it up, so just because it was publicized, that doesn’t make sense to take down, and that’s not what the rebbe wanted.. So use your head and think how it’s going to make things better through taking it down, you will realize how stupid it it to take down, making people carry, are you taking the responsibility of those carrying..?
But it is also not for the crown heights community since the ch beis din is against. It is only for people from prospect heights since they put it up, not any ch shul
Regardless whether it’s torn or not: it’s the same. They are both not allowed.
The Airuv was not built for the Lubavitcher’s of crown heights, period! So why are ppl getting all crazy and worked up? If you wanna use it, that’s your own deal. And those that plan on ripping it down, that’s a real chilul lubavitch and you will cause other yidden to be michalel shabbos.
For all those excited about the Eiruv, i recommend this gorgeous pet carrier:
https://jet.com/search?term=Designer%20Pet%20Products%20Scarlett%20Pet%20Carrier
The fact that it WAS made known to the public is going against the rebbes words and is reason enough to take it down
To all this that plan on using the eruv this shabbos. I can guarantee you right now that within 10min. Of shabbos the eruv will be down. And you all know that very well. I don’t support tearing it down during shabbos.
We all have to face reality
The first part of the rebuttal of Rabbi Levine’s thesis
http://eruvonline.blogspot.com/2016/06/part-1-rebuttal-eruv-in-crown-heights_45.html
As far as I remember the rebbe said not to publicize that there is a eiruv, but the rebbe didn’t say a thing about putting it up.
So all those עמרצים, do some research before taking down the eiruv
There are other people who have a right to live where ever they want and they chose to put up an eruv . It’s not chabad members and they don’t follow our dinim. We don’t have to accept their eruv and use it. Let them live. That’s true Ahavas Yisroel, tolerance.
We live out of new York and there is an eruv but we don’t use it. Our kids don’t use it. We don’t own crown heights. Why can’t you live peacefully and let people who aren’t chabad make an eruv and use it if they want. Chabad members shouldn’t use it. It’s up to us to hold our standards and not carry, just like we do out of town. Our children know that we don’t use the eruv but those who hold by it can.
Its not even in the Crown Heights shcuna!
Anyone who lives out there and decides to use it, that is on your own head.
Lubavitch as a group does not rely on an eruv. If one does decide to use it, please do it at your own discretion.
Further more if you plan on using it, it would be appreciated if you made it very clear you are doing it on your own and not as a Lubavitcher.
thank you
some who is proud to be called a Lubavitcher and live up to its standards.
Most of the people are missing the point that the zechoi of the pas doesn’t help which is the real meaning of Eiruv mixing the food, because of those that oppose it even if the mechitzsos would be good
But to take it down is make another person be מחלל שבת
When Rabbi O write a letter against BRAUN AND SCHWEI saying if you eat there Hescher it is TRAIF AND visa Versa we then have no BAIS AND NO rabbonim they dont even talk to one another.
This is an ERUV for BROOKLYN people and people in CH who want to us it like the SHABBAS ELEVATOR we have here on Crown St
It doesn’t mean ahavas haeruv. It is ok to say the eruv is a bad idea and to tell people not to use it. But if you see someone using the eruv using and she says oh I am not chabad, I belong to that other shul which holds it is ok then that’s it, don’t bother her
Please find me one good source that the rebbe said it’s not something we should do.
Till then I think this eiruv is a very good thing and it will help so many people..
Is this what the Rebbe earned??
יתמו חטאים ולא חוטאים
NOT TO BUILD AN ERUV IN CH?
The Rebbe said to build it quietly and this was built quietly it is the people who are against it that are making publicity from it. Just imagine that an eruv was built around the entire BROOKLYN that is what this is. YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT IF YOU DONT WANT
Why are people making such a big deal out of this eiruv, at least someone is doing something.. Whoever wants to take it down doesn’t really want to make things better, rather make problems. Are you trying to help the situation? Well this way will definitely not help. And trying to blame it on the rebbe, the rebbe would definitely not want you to go take it down, it’s not the derech of the rebbe to do things by force, the rebbe would maybe tell you to go speak with the one that put it up, but to go cut… Read more »
חוצפה שאין כמותה did you חס ושלום forget about the Rebbe the Rebbe said clearly not to make a eruv
I got a little chaser that some people say it’s kosher because it’s has signs of Kosher fit in fact some very big Rabbi said it’s okay. and we going to sell it in Crown Heights not for her chabad
Bh
Congratulations to all those who expressed their individuality in judaism by getting an eruv done in the Rebbe’s home despite the rebbe’s deeply personal objections.
Whel here’s mine: i will cut it. Perhaps on shabbos in a permissible way, perhaps right before. Perhaps this week, perhaps another week.
This is my belief, this is my custom and i hope you all respect it.
But by all means please don’t ever assume a full eruv in the Rebbe’s back or front yard
Quote: disgusted. I’d rather go to borough Park.
You sound so stupid.
If you go to Boro Park you are just showing how much you really care about this whole thing.. There the eiruv is up already.
To 125 We are jews first and americans second. We follow halacha first and american laws second. American law may say that a person has the freedom to do what he wants, but Halacha gives the power to the Rabbanim to “dictate” and control how the community lives and to excommunicate those who dont follow. People are able to choose which community they live in. But once they choose the community, the are bound to live by the community rules. Espescially if one wants to use comunity services (mikvahs, hatzalah etc.). In fact, sharia values may be more in line… Read more »
This is America, and the majority rules here. The majority of CH is opposed to this “eruv”.
There is a Rebbe of lubavitch
Just like there is a eiruv in other communities where people walk all the time on shobbos, for example Boro Park, so to here in ch and around there is a eiruv, does that mean YOU MUST USE IT?
Love how so many ppl are pulling out ahavas yisroel. This is a case of prikas ol! Ahavas yisroel is standing up for whats right….. and that is to follow the psak of,the local rabbanim.
Because you live in CH that does not mean you control or dictate the way people in CH should live. People have the right to choose.
Dictating the way people should live and attempt to shame them for it Sounds Like Sharia law and not Judaism. I am thoroughly disgusted with this community.
The crown heights community is a Chabad Community all those who are part of the confines of that community MUST adhere to the laws and customs. It is a shame that members of crown heights are fishing other “Rabbis” to help them break those laws. The Lubavitcher Rebbe was AGAINST AN EIRUV. PERIOD. Who is “Rabbi Schwartz” and why are we endorsing him to go against the Rebbe? We are Lubavitch NOT Modern Orthodox! Lubavitch has clear methods of ” bringing people closer to bring moshiach” we dont need modern Orthodox “Rabbis” showing us how. Disgusted. I’d rather go to… Read more »
Berry shwarts the person that brings machlokes to crown heights. This is already the second time you are dividing this community get out of here. U have no place.
I finish with a blessing, may you see no success in all your endeavors and let this community stay united
U have created more strife in this community than any other shul. U may want to change ur name to something you can really live up to…maybe chevra sinas chinam’? Maybe chevra ‘ mechalel shabbos’? Anything along those lines would be more truthful to demonstrate who you are.
For those that are worried about the rebbes approach to ahavas yisroel. If you want to say that the Rebbe was against Machlokes then The Rebbe was against Machlakos and therefore against starting things that cause Machlokes. For example, putting up an eiruv that the majority of people disagree with. That would be starting machlokes. But in reality, having ahavas yisroel did not stop the Rebbe from fighting and storming and screaming about shleimus haaretz and mi hu yehudi and many other things. So having ahavas yisroel does not mean that one cannot make a machaah when something that is… Read more »
Have any of you given Rabbi Schwartz money, to become a partner in his eruv?
To be called Lubavitchers you got to listen to ALL what the Rebbe said. No matter if its the Eruv of shaving “a little bit” or to waist your time . It`s the same people who want to reform our SOLID values and way of life.
If this was Facebook or Instagram i would like your comment!
Ha Rav Yoel Pesso For new Crown Heights Beis Din 2016
Rabbi Schwartz does not come close to even a pulpit rabbi!
A ROV? WHAT A JOKE!
YOU GUYS ARE ALL NUTS IN THE HEAD!!!
HONESTLY FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME OTHER THAN ARGUE WITH EACH OTHER ALL DAY ITS EREV SHABBOS YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL BE AT THE MARKETPLACE SHOPPING OR SOMETHING
-Ha Rav Yoel Pesso
The most deplorable effect generated by this development will be that the women of Crown Heights will now have a free pass to leave their homes on shabbos. We are opening a can of worms here. a toddler bearing woman that is being given the option to leave ones home on shabbos will lead to them neglecting their duties as wife and balabusta. The Rabonim were always adamant about women knowing their rightful place in the community, and they instituted strict laws against the use of any eiruv to ensure that their wishes were upheld with the greatest of urgency.… Read more »
i hope no one thinks its still up and carries on shobas.
may we have only good news to shear from now on!
Purses (like umbrellas) are muktzah, whether there eruv or not.
i called and no one answered
1st of all the rebbe is alive look in sotah daf yud, taanis daf gimmel/daled not to mention lkutei sichos chalek 26 parshas shemos toras menachem 1 page around page 20 and many more. we can know what the rebbe holds BY WHAT HE SAID until the rebbe says clearly otherwise what he said still stands maybe the torah also should not apply now and halacha and if you could say that about the rebbe say about the alter rebbes shulchan aruch and everything else. i can imagine a criminal in court when asked why he did something saying “well… Read more »
If only everyone would be as machmir about following the Rebbe’s hora’ah of ahavas yisroel as they are about not having an eruv in crown heights, Moshiach would’ve already been hear and we wouldn’t have to fake shouting “ad mosai?!” anymore. If you are all as serious of chassidim as you portray yourselves to be, ask yourselves this important question: “would the Rebbe be using col comments to incite Jew against Jew? Did the Rebbe differentiate between Jews?I think the answer would be no. The whole “us and them” mentality seen in Meshichist vs. non-Meshichist is rearing its ugly head… Read more »
When a Litvak talks about pritzos they are in trouble. You are simply not trustworthy.
stop spreading false information…..
It’s is such a shame that the Rabbis are apposing Eiruv. I don’t think people realize that now we won’t be allowed to cook food the next time there’s a friday Yomtof! What’s a yomtof without a hot meal?
I love how people are going crazy over an Eruv when there are far worse things going on in ch…for example the rebbes school?!?
Rabbi Schwartz says this isn’t for the Chabad community and Mr. Ganau is quoted with similar sentiments. Hereby, dividing between the community and the chabad community.
Well, that Shul wouldn’t have been here if not for our Bachurim who kept up the Shabbis and yom Tov Minyanim for decades! In dust, in freezing cold, in scirtching heat, the Bachurim were always there! The conflict they have with Rabbi Kurshenbaum can’t erase that historical factor. For them to turn around and make it sound like there’s a “us” and there’s a “them” is painful and unfair.
*IMPORTANT* *MESSAGE* FROM RABBI E. SCHWARTZ REGARDING THE CROWN HEIGHTS EIRUV!!! – *READ* *AND* *FORWARD!*
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*IMPORTANT* *MESSAGE* FROM RABBI E. SCHWARTZ REGARDING THE CROWN HEIGHTS EIRUV!!! – *READ* *AND* *FORWARD!*
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Yeah you should take them to the CH Beis Din
The other question is will they be honest when people rip it and inform everyone that it is down or will they deny it because it shows defeat and goes against their agenda.
Can’t rely on the eruv if it will be taken down all the time
*IMPORTANT* *MESSAGE* FROM RABBI E. SCHWARTZ REGARDING THE CROWN HEIGHTS EIRUV!!! – *READ* *AND* *FORWARD!*
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So many people on hear professing to know what the rebbe wanted. I can assure you one thing the rebbe did NOT want machlokes! look what is happening here on erev shabbos when we should be helping our wifes out! not on our cellphone arguing. Live and let live. If you dont want to use it dont but lets not be our own enemy and create sinas chinum
What a way to show respect to your Rebbe in preparation for Gimmel Tammuz. Wow.
Get out of crown heights. there are way to many people who are going to make sure the eiruv wont happen, We have spies in your camp and will know where you dont have cameras
you are disgracing the rebbes name and will not win.
We too suffer from this. The poskim and leading Roshi Yeshiva of Flatbush (some who were almost 90 years old at the time) said no to follow the Psak Rav Moshe Feinstein and some baal haabos went and paid some unheard of Rov from Monsey who gave his hechsher. Now we have a fashion show, and pritzus galore prancing our streets on shabbos morning. Brace yourselves Crown Heights. The Lubavitcher Rebbe agreed with Rav Moshes Psak that it’s 100 percent assur to make an Eruv in Brooklyn. So did the Satmar Rov and every other Rebbe and Posek. It was… Read more »
In gimmel tamuz 5746 Rabbi Eliezer Zirkind wrote to the Rebbe that the elected Crown Heights Beis Din will be called
“בי”ד רבני ליובאוויטש – קראון הייטס”
The Rebbe wrote sharply against this proposed name and wrote:
פירוש הצעתם – על פי שולחן ערוך – שכל אלה שבשכונה ואינם ליובאוויטש יבחרו רבנים ובית דין וכו’.
The Rebbe foresaw these things coming and insured that the elected Beis Din is to be called the “Crown Heights Beis Din” period, for all those who live in Crown Heights.
Rabbi Dovid Nissan Bressman
Los Angeles
Carry-ons it’s on you….don’t blame anyone for tearing it cuz torn or not- it’s not a kosher eruv
We no longer have a united community. :(:(:( why do we need this eruv. The ones who will use it, don’t keep Shobbos anyways. We Need the Rebbe. Ad mossi.
I am shocked. The eruv is down. I just verified it with my own eyes.
We will put cameras and catch the perps, we will go after thise who will rip it down with the full extant of the law. You have won the battle for this Shabbos but the Law os on our side, we will win the eruv war.
Who is frum and who is not.
Who is a chossid and who is not
Who cares about the Torah and mitzvos.
And those who don’t will use the eiruv and violate shabbos cv”s..
Just like they violate the laws af kashrus (cholov AKUM) and taharas mishpacha (lack of kosher clothing and intermingling).
You have been warned. The eruv will be torn down. Don’t use it.
May Hashem have mercy on the fools and bring them back too the ways of Torah.
M.Z.
Who are you to decide what halachically exists? You can say the Rebbe is against it and this Eruv does not follow the Alter Rebbe’s shita, and I would agree. However, to say that there is no halachic premise for this Eruv, is foolish. You, my friend, are a part of the problem. Shame on you! If anyone should walk down the street ashamed, it should be those who favor damaging the Eruv.
Exactly how are you a chabad chossid if you are going against a clear psak of the local beis din?
Everyone is invited to join us for our Shabbos meal in the park as long as you bring your food, tables and chairs would be there. Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
Breaking the Eruv does not cause Jews to be M’chalel Shabbos since the Eruv does not halachically exist at all.
The only effect of breaking the eruv is so that people who think they have a shita to rely on, do not have the physical eruv to carry out their Shita.
The person who sets up the eruv is causing chillul shabbos, and the person who destroys it is preventing chillul shabbos.
I’m a chabbad chossid who agrees with this Erev.
Good job to whoever was envolved!!!!
For the record: When setting up the beis din, the Rebbe insisted that it not be a CHABAD beis din.
He insisted that the elections be open to EVERY single JEWISH member of the Crown Hights community! This way – al pi torah/halacha – the Beis Din has jurisdiction over the ENTIRE community! – not just a specific shul(s).
For members of the community to seek outside “rabbonim” to OVERIDE the UNANIMOUS opinion of Crown Heights RABBONIM – is clearly against, mentclichkeit, yosher, Torah and Hashem!
Eruv is going to be down every Shabbos
many bochrim has this job and are taking care of this
Finally, one sensible man in this entire thread. It is and has been a long time coming for all the women of the community to have an Eruv so they too can enjoy Shabbos!
So well said! Glad to have a voice of reason!
I do not agree with this Eruv at all. But I do know that whoever damages or is an accessory to the damaging of this Eruv is worse then an animal (Yitosh kodmoch). You are causing Jews (Chabad or not) who are relying on this Eruv, to be mechalel shabbos. The fact that you think you are doing it for good cause, makes you a bigger idiot. SHAME ON YOU!!!
There are many other Chabad communities around the world that have an Eruv.
BTW us ladies of crown heights are very happy. we are not in lockdown anymore while the men are out drinking and Shul hopping.
Let the fierce popcorn munching begin.
Simple Simon says pick up your mouse. Simple Simon says X out this page. Simple Simon says get a life and stop hating on others. Simple Simon says have ahavas yisroel.
These guys are messing with the Rebbe and I don’t recommend that.
If it’s a neighboring area shouldn’t cover CH at all.
By beating around the bush to get what you want done By not officially doing it for crown heights. It still upright wrong a chutzpa and should not be able to get away with it… This is going against what the rebbe stated in simaller situation and against the opinion of all the rabonim of our community crown heights. Who is this shwartz that can just decide what he wants to do and feel that he doesn’t need to answer to the rabonim that don’t hold of it. Is he even a lubavitcher guy, apparently not by his actions and… Read more »
I will be using the Eruv. Finally I can take my daughter to Shul and let my wife rest a bit!
I want the eruv. I don’t believe that the Rebbe didn’t want it for our day and age. It’s not the 1950’s anymore. I have a nice bag for Shabbos and I’m using it !!!
Mazal tov.
BH they didn’t succeed
There are so many things the Rabbonim are silent about. Why are they waking up now?
I hear the eiruv has been damaged already. Can anyone verify
There is a terrible eruv rav in Crown Heights. On issue after issue, the neighborhood has proven itself more frei than even the most modern communities in NYC. The tznius, the chillul Hashem, the machlokes, and now this. IMHO, it’s game over.
I think you all just need to get a life. Find another profession besides for fighting over comments on col. Like seriously people…….
Anyone that Lives in Crown Heights is directly and indirectly going against the Rebbe. The only sensible solution to avoid this issue (because tearing down the Airuv is illegal) is to move out of Crown Heights.
Nebach,simply over on lifnai eaver lo seatain michshol.
Like using a phone shell that doesn’t have any electronics inside, or less = to a reform rabbi’s hechsher .
a sad day ,let’s daven for rachamim & chesed for everyone to see and do what’s right.
Just be careful. Some eruv users can carry weaopns and you can’t..i’d tread lightly
I think that those who use the eruv should be publically shamed. Anyone who carries on Shabbos should be shamed by all those who pass them by. We will not stand for this!
I knew this day was coming but I still find it very sad. Another nail in the coffin of our future . Along with the tzniyus and other stuff that has gone by the wayside.
Those who don’t want to carry won’t but people should have the option to ! So happy
Is it only according to the Alter Rebbe?
Which Halachic authority would say that an Eruv which is opposed by ALL local Rabbonim may be used? If I am not mistaken, you would not find one serious halachich authority that will say that one may use an Eruv which is opposed by local Rabbonim.
This goes beyond the technicalities of an Eruv, it goes into basic Halacha principles of authority of Rabbonim.
Neighborhoods change, just as ch was not chabad in the 50’s. so too today, learn to get along with others, leave your cave, embrace that others have different opinions
I live in ch cause I grew up here and my parents and my wife’s parents live here. Nothing to do with the rebbe! Let us live our lives in peace and quiet. Take your rebbe nonsense somewhere else. Also, I have great respect for our late rebbe and hate when people talk in his name. Unfortunately, he has not been here with us for 22 years and we simply do not know what his opinion would be now in 2016. One thing is for sure he was never for hatred between Jews, never. Have more ahavas Yisroel and stop… Read more »
For all those who dont consider themselves Lubavitcher Chassidim, good for you, enjoy carrying within an Eiruv. For all those who would like to consider themselves as part of Lubavitch, before you step out of the house holding your tallis tomorrow morning, you might want to declare first to yourself – “i am about to carry outside, where the Alter Rebbe Paskens there is currently no Eruv, and therefore there is Chilul Shabbos, and i am happy that there is an Eruv where the Rebbe was against. I have new Poskim who i follow, the Alter Rebbe isnt my posek… Read more »
Using a benedel would be a simple manner in which you can completely avoid chilul shabbos, regardless of whatever else may happen.
Here we have a new “Liozner Rebbe.” Same motive, different clothes. Unfortunately, as our Rebbe is not “visible”, we all take advantage. VHMY
This is really good stuff!
Ask you Rav! our ‘Rav” is the Rebbe and the Rebbe was against it, so what is the question?
If you are Chabad Lubavitch, than our ‘Rav” already has spoken about this, and we have first person accounts from his Mazkir. Not to mention the Beis Din which the Rebbe instructed us to setup.
Very irresponsible and ignorant!!!
Please, I am pleading with you all…DON’T USE THIS ERUV! All 3 Rabbonim of Crown Heights are openly against it.
Going against the Beis Din of your town publicly is worse than the issur of carrying on Shabbos (which may be
בזמן הזה דרבנן) and is DANGEROUS.
One who cannot accept the פסק דין of the Beis Din of their town are better off relocating to a town where the Rabbonim have a different opinion.
Please do not use this Eruv.
Lets remember that it was the ERUV-RAV that caused the yidden to suffer from the EIGEL HAZOHOV and we are still paying the price today…
Lets be smart . And NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE AGAIN…..
Sorry but there will be no Eruv. It’s already down.
Listen to the Rabonim of our community!!! or better yet, LISTEN TO THE REBBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would that be awful?
We too suffer from this. The poskim and leading Roshi Yeshiva of Flatbush (some who were almost 90 years old at the time) said no to follow the Psak Rav Moshe Feinstein and some filthy prusta baal haabos went and paid some unheard of Rov from Monsey who gave his hechsher. Now we have a fashion show, and pritzus galore prancing our streets on shabbos morning. Brace yourselves Crown Heights. The Lubavitcher Rebbe agreed with Rav Moshes Psak that it’s 100 percent assur to make an Eruv in Brooklyn. So did the Satmar Rov and every other Rebbe and Posek.… Read more »
This is a beautiful development for the Nusach Ari Community.
You’re kidding. You’ve got to be joking. The Rebbe said not
to. This is a joke. Who do you guys think you are to do your own thing?!
According to the Laws of Shabbos THERE IS NO EIRUV
IN CROWN HEIGHTS!!!! That means – carrying anything
or pushing a stroller is CHILLUL SHABBOS !!
BE SMART! .KEEP SHABBOS
AND THE SHABBOS WILL PROTECT YOU!!!!
the Rebbe wanted the eruv… ppl lie for political reasons…
this is great news Moshiach is here
‘Do not place a stumbling block before the blind’ The posting of this piece of information on COL, a public Chabad newsite , may cause a lot of people to be mislead into thinking that one can carry now on Shabbos. Many of us understand that obviously such an Eruv is a) not according to the Rebbe’s instructions and b) is not according to the Alter Rebbe’s shulchan Aruch. Therefore we may not use it. COL should remove this post not to C”V inccur on anyone to be Mechalel Shabbos. Those who are not educated or mature enough will simply… Read more »
Face reality. Crown Heights was and will always be the Rebbes schunah! When all other types of Jews were rapidly leaving ch and selling their homes to goyim, the Rebbe was the only one who spoke against this and actively told his Chassidim to remain amd develop the community. So if not for the Rebbe, CH would not be what it is today. Lets keep the credit where it belongs & respect the Rebbes wishes who was outright against the eiruv. If other Jews are deciding nowadays to move into ch thats fine but they need to respect the rules… Read more »
Personally passed by some of the streets, saw absolutely no sigh of an eruv…. Im no expert, so cant be sure I didn’t miss anything… but nothing like what was shown in pictures…
A word of caution to the g-d fearing wise…..
Shame on you for endorsing this Eruv
Something which is clearly against all the rabonim of crown heights and against the rebbe
Just know that you will have to answer to beis din shel ma’lah and the rebbe
Just think about telling the rebbe and trying to explain to him why you publicized and gave a link to donate money for the eruv something which is against the rebbe
הגם לכבוש את המלכה עמי בבית
Thank you to all involved.
Shmira and Shomrim should make their presence known to keep the peace. There are some people with strong feelings. How awful would it be if some zealous bochur harrassed a women pushing her baby to shul for the first time?!
You’re not even remotely funny
This is the rebbe’s shchuna
Why else would anyone live here if not for this reason?
Do yourself and everyone else a favor and leave crown heights and Lubavitch.
To be called ‘chabad’ is to listen to the directives of the Rebbe not to be born to lubavitch parents or to be born in crown heights using the erev is against the Rebbes directives so those who use the eruv are not Chabad, yes they live in crown heights there are plenty of non lubavitchers among us. The eruv is up in crown heights but it’s not for the lubavitch community yes, sad that we came to this point but we do have all types among us, let the Chabad remain proud lubavitchers sticking to the Rebbes directives ALWAYS
There have been enough tragedies R”L. !!!
Who has the nerve to be a
חוטא ומחטיא את הרבים !!!!!!!!! This better stop before they are stopped by the TRUE BOSS!!!!
Wishing Crown Heights and Klal Yisroel a Good Shabbos according to Halacha! This is surely the last מעשה שטן trying to hold back the Geulah!!
NO EIRUV IN CROWN HEIGHTS!!!!!!!
I’m putting my keys in my pocket. If you damage the eiruv and i’m not shomer shabbas…thats on you.
Whoever uses this eiruv just realize your playing with fire! Its actually very scary to think what will happen. When it comes to the Rebbes inyanim you dont play around, its not a joke.
By Hey teves the Rebbe said whoever has a sefer in their home that was stolen is keeping a live bomb in their house. Someone didnt listen to the rebbe & the Rebbes words happened to him….
Whoever carries is mechalel shabbos bepharhesia. The Eiruv cant work because the joining in the Pas was rejected by all the CH Rabbis and many residents so even if you have waals it woudnt work.
And we trust a modern orthodox eruv? And there are “rough boundaries” ??????
I wonder how many millions they paid to get an outside Rabbi to overstep his bounds, and look the other way like this. How have we fallen so low 🙁
May Hashem Protect us!
time to make tanis tzibur
Does this Rov make Kidush on Mashke or wine Shabbos day? Does he wear a Bendel over his Talis Koton?
Does he wear Rabaynu Tam Tefilin?
Does he do 1-3 Prokim Rambam ?
Last but not least would he Daven upstairs or downstairs in 770. We have to know his Hashkofos!
Is there even 1 Lubavitcher Rov anywhere in the world that holds of this eruv???
Yasher Koach for getting this done! Now so many that were carrying on shabbos won’t be mechalel shabbos!
Kol Hakavod to Kol Yisroel! Thank you! Shabbos will be pleasant now!
Can you clarify what you meant by that?
It’s about time we are not the only large frum community without an Eruv!
what you do to your children thats what will happen to them… no nned to blame others and tottaly outside things!
Pushing a stroller on shabbos by asking a gentile is chilul shabbos and now that there is an Eruv so many that were using this method are no longer mechalel shabbos! Baruch Hashem for the Eruv and thanks to all those involved to make it happen!
If your Rov tells you you can use it, use it. If not, not. Let’s move on.
All those who will adhere to this eruv should know that it is a posul eruv and they are being mechalel shabbos. A rov who gives haskama on something not in his jurisdiction is going against halacha and his ruling is not valid. CROWN HEIGHTS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE REBBE’S SHCHUNA – NOW MORE THAN EVER BEFORE, and I would not want to start up with the Rebbe. It doesn’t bode well for anyone who does. Anyone who feels the desperate need to go out on shabbos while carrying should move to a neighborhood that is okay with… Read more »
what will happen to our children? so sad
Thank you to those who helped make it happen!
No words.
It’s important for all to know that crown heights is NOT exclusively Lubavitch. It never was.
In fact during the election of the Badatz the rebbe made it very clear that crown heights is not only Lubavitch and therefore the badatz can NOT be part of anything Lubavitch or have any authority within Lubavitch.
How do we have the ability to go against the Rebbe.
People, please be mindful of the fact that feelings of hate between fellow Jews is far worse than using an eruv that is not approved by local Rabbis. The world is in need of salvation and we cannot get caught up in a new civil war in crown heights. These days we are all challenged with the temptation of far worse sins than using an eruv that is against the Crown heights Rabbis. If we cannot inspire others to follow the crown heights rabbis ruling with love, than the problem is with us. There is no room for hate on… Read more »
i am so excited, this shabbos, i will be able to see people carrying in ch. all the machlokes, vechulu… its just a great comedy show.
By keeping one Shabbos according to halacha we will be
redeemed from this bitter golus. Why create more problems
than we already have. A plea to Cong. Ahavas Yisroel:
Please live up to your name and help the rest of us bring
Moshiach Now by strengthening our observance of
Shabbos as it will surely bring the GEULAH immediately!
Please remove that “eiruv” !!!
This shul has members from crown heights. They are in the right.
you are messing with fire
U call ur self chabad on line. The Rebbe said NO so it NO…..
This doesn’t even cover crown heights proper. It ends North of eastern parkway. Please change the title! Ppl who don’t read the whole article can make a terrible mistake!!
How is it relevant to say that Rabbi Schwartz is in his late 70s? Is seems like an attempt to portray him as incompetent or over the hills, and it strikes me as less than respectful and ageist. If you disagree with his ideas, then say so and present a counter-argument. Don’t resort to personal attacks that have nothing to do with the substance of the matter.
Why???
I understand that collive is a news organisation, but one would hope it also has enough sense when it comes to that.
None of Crown Heights rabbonim hold of it. None. Why you give these people voice?
Very sad and disappointed by this publication.
Let the fun begin!!! (Sarcasm)
attention crown heights: we must rip it down today!!!!!!!!!!! this is an emergency!!!!!!!!! there is no way we are having an eruv in ch. the rebbe clearly said not!!!!!! rabbonim of crown heights must be notified right away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the same eruv that the Rabbis are against the organization just got the Rabbis of a shul that pushed out a chabad Rabbi to have it under under his wing.. Shame on them shame on us