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How can a neighboring Rabbi decide something if he's not the Rabbi of the community
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How can a neighboring Rabbi decide something if he's not the Rabbi of the community
There is a boss
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There is a boss

This is the same eruv that the Rabbis are against the organization just got the Rabbis of a shul that pushed out a chabad Rabbi to have it under under his wing.. Shame on them shame on us

no way!!!!!!!!
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no way!!!!!!!!

attention crown heights: we must rip it down today!!!!!!!!!!! this is an emergency!!!!!!!!! there is no way we are having an eruv in ch. the rebbe clearly said not!!!!!! rabbonim of crown heights must be notified right away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yay
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Yay

Let the fun begin!!! (Sarcasm)

Pretty sad
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Pretty sad

I understand that collive is a news organisation, but one would hope it also has enough sense when it comes to that.
None of Crown Heights rabbonim hold of it. None. Why you give these people voice?
Very sad and disappointed by this publication.

Why is this being posted
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Why is this being posted

Why???

Age of the Rav
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Age of the Rav

How is it relevant to say that Rabbi Schwartz is in his late 70s? Is seems like an attempt to portray him as incompetent or over the hills, and it strikes me as less than respectful and ageist. If you disagree with his ideas, then say so and present a counter-argument. Don’t resort to personal attacks that have nothing to do with the substance of the matter.

I'm sorry, misleading headline
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I'm sorry, misleading headline

This doesn’t even cover crown heights proper. It ends North of eastern parkway. Please change the title! Ppl who don’t read the whole article can make a terrible mistake!!

Why u advertising it.....
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Why u advertising it.....

U call ur self chabad on line. The Rebbe said NO so it NO…..

dont cry later
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dont cry later

you are messing with fire

It's ok
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It's ok

This shul has members from crown heights. They are in the right.

Just One Shabbos
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Just One Shabbos

By keeping one Shabbos according to halacha we will be
redeemed from this bitter golus. Why create more problems
than we already have. A plea to Cong. Ahavas Yisroel:
Please live up to your name and help the rest of us bring
Moshiach Now by strengthening our observance of
Shabbos as it will surely bring the GEULAH immediately!
Please remove that “eiruv” !!!

this is awesome
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this is awesome

i am so excited, this shabbos, i will be able to see people carrying in ch. all the machlokes, vechulu… its just a great comedy show.

Yad  Yemin
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Yad Yemin

People, please be mindful of the fact that feelings of hate between fellow Jews is far worse than using an eruv that is not approved by local Rabbis. The world is in need of salvation and we cannot get caught up in a new civil war in crown heights. These days we are all challenged with the temptation of far worse sins than using an eruv that is against the Crown heights Rabbis. If we cannot inspire others to follow the crown heights rabbis ruling with love, than the problem is with us. There is no room for hate on… Read more »

😭😭😭😭😭
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😭😭😭😭😭

How do we have the ability to go against the Rebbe.

Crown height not chabad
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Crown height not chabad

It’s important for all to know that crown heights is NOT exclusively Lubavitch. It never was.

In fact during the election of the Badatz the rebbe made it very clear that crown heights is not only Lubavitch and therefore the badatz can NOT be part of anything Lubavitch or have any authority within Lubavitch.

חוצפה שאין כדוגמתה
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חוצפה שאין כדוגמתה

No words.

Great News!!
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Great News!!

Thank you to those who helped make it happen!

oh no
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oh no

what will happen to our children? so sad

ERUV IS POSUL!
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ERUV IS POSUL!

All those who will adhere to this eruv should know that it is a posul eruv and they are being mechalel shabbos. A rov who gives haskama on something not in his jurisdiction is going against halacha and his ruling is not valid. CROWN HEIGHTS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE REBBE’S SHCHUNA – NOW MORE THAN EVER BEFORE, and I would not want to start up with the Rebbe. It doesn’t bode well for anyone who does. Anyone who feels the desperate need to go out on shabbos while carrying should move to a neighborhood that is okay with… Read more »

Ask your Rov
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Ask your Rov

If your Rov tells you you can use it, use it. If not, not. Let’s move on.

Pushing a stroller on shabbos
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Pushing a stroller on shabbos

Pushing a stroller on shabbos by asking a gentile is chilul shabbos and now that there is an Eruv so many that were using this method are no longer mechalel shabbos! Baruch Hashem for the Eruv and thanks to all those involved to make it happen!

what do you mean?
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what do you mean?

what you do to your children thats what will happen to them… no nned to blame others and tottaly outside things!

WOW!!!
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WOW!!!

It’s about time we are not the only large frum community without an Eruv!

to 10
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to 10

Can you clarify what you meant by that?

Kol Hakavod to Kol Yisroel!
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Kol Hakavod to Kol Yisroel!

Kol Hakavod to Kol Yisroel! Thank you! Shabbos will be pleasant now!

Yasher Koach!
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Yasher Koach!

Yasher Koach for getting this done! Now so many that were carrying on shabbos won’t be mechalel shabbos!

Schneur
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Schneur

Is there even 1 Lubavitcher Rov anywhere in the world that holds of this eruv???

Israel Clapman.
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Israel Clapman.

Does this Rov make Kidush on Mashke or wine Shabbos day? Does he wear a Bendel over his Talis Koton?
Does he wear Rabaynu Tam Tefilin?
Does he do 1-3 Prokim Rambam ?

Last but not least would he Daven upstairs or downstairs in 770. We have to know his Hashkofos!

hashem yishmor
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hashem yishmor

time to make tanis tzibur

Oy oy
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Oy oy

And we trust a modern orthodox eruv? And there are “rough boundaries” ??????
I wonder how many millions they paid to get an outside Rabbi to overstep his bounds, and look the other way like this. How have we fallen so low 🙁
May Hashem Protect us!

Chillul Shabbos Bepharhesia
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Chillul Shabbos Bepharhesia

Whoever carries is mechalel shabbos bepharhesia. The Eiruv cant work because the joining in the Pas was rejected by all the CH Rabbis and many residents so even if you have waals it woudnt work.

Such chutzpah to create an eiruv against the Rebbes wishes in his community he established
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Such chutzpah to create an eiruv against the Rebbes wishes in his community he established

Whoever uses this eiruv just realize your playing with fire! Its actually very scary to think what will happen. When it comes to the Rebbes inyanim you dont play around, its not a joke.
By Hey teves the Rebbe said whoever has a sefer in their home that was stolen is keeping a live bomb in their house. Someone didnt listen to the rebbe & the Rebbes words happened to him….

Carrying this shabbas
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Carrying this shabbas

I’m putting my keys in my pocket. If you damage the eiruv and i’m not shomer shabbas…thats on you.

 Enough
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Enough

There have been enough tragedies R”L. !!! Who has the nerve to be a חוטא ומחטיא את הרבים !!!!!!!!! This better stop before they are stopped by the TRUE BOSS!!!! Wishing Crown Heights and Klal Yisroel a Good Shabbos according to Halacha! This is surely the last מעשה שטן trying to hold back the Geulah!! NO EIRUV IN CROWN HEIGHTS!!!!!!!

chabadnik
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chabadnik

To be called ‘chabad’ is to listen to the directives of the Rebbe not to be born to lubavitch parents or to be born in crown heights using the erev is against the Rebbes directives so those who use the eruv are not Chabad, yes they live in crown heights there are plenty of non lubavitchers among us. The eruv is up in crown heights but it’s not for the lubavitch community yes, sad that we came to this point but we do have all types among us, let the Chabad remain proud lubavitchers sticking to the Rebbes directives ALWAYS

To number 29
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To number 29

You’re not even remotely funny
This is the rebbe’s shchuna
Why else would anyone live here if not for this reason?
Do yourself and everyone else a favor and leave crown heights and Lubavitch.

Regardless of what you think
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Regardless of what you think

Shmira and Shomrim should make their presence known to keep the peace. There are some people with strong feelings. How awful would it be if some zealous bochur harrassed a women pushing her baby to shul for the first time?!

Thank you!
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Thank you!

Thank you to all involved.

יש דין ויש דיין
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יש דין ויש דיין

Shame on you for endorsing this Eruv

Something which is clearly against all the rabonim of crown heights and against the rebbe

Just know that you will have to answer to beis din shel ma’lah and the rebbe

Just think about telling the rebbe and trying to explain to him why you publicized and gave a link to donate money for the eruv something which is against the rebbe

הגם לכבוש את המלכה עמי בבית

i dont see it
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i dont see it

Personally passed by some of the streets, saw absolutely no sigh of an eruv…. Im no expert, so cant be sure I didn’t miss anything… but nothing like what was shown in pictures…
A word of caution to the g-d fearing wise…..

To all those saying CH is not Chabad...
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To all those saying CH is not Chabad...

Face reality. Crown Heights was and will always be the Rebbes schunah! When all other types of Jews were rapidly leaving ch and selling their homes to goyim, the Rebbe was the only one who spoke against this and actively told his Chassidim to remain amd develop the community. So if not for the Rebbe, CH would not be what it is today. Lets keep the credit where it belongs & respect the Rebbes wishes who was outright against the eiruv. If other Jews are deciding nowadays to move into ch thats fine but they need to respect the rules… Read more »

Lo Sitayn Michshol
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Lo Sitayn Michshol

‘Do not place a stumbling block before the blind’ The posting of this piece of information on COL, a public Chabad newsite , may cause a lot of people to be mislead into thinking that one can carry now on Shabbos. Many of us understand that obviously such an Eruv is a) not according to the Rebbe’s instructions and b) is not according to the Alter Rebbe’s shulchan Aruch. Therefore we may not use it. COL should remove this post not to C”V inccur on anyone to be Mechalel Shabbos. Those who are not educated or mature enough will simply… Read more »

Mordy
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Mordy

the Rebbe wanted the eruv… ppl lie for political reasons…

this is great news Moshiach is here

NO EIRUV IN CROWN HEIGHTS
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NO EIRUV IN CROWN HEIGHTS

According to the Laws of Shabbos THERE IS NO EIRUV
IN CROWN HEIGHTS!!!! That means – carrying anything
or pushing a stroller is CHILLUL SHABBOS !!
BE SMART! .KEEP SHABBOS
AND THE SHABBOS WILL PROTECT YOU!!!!

WHAT THE...!
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WHAT THE...!

You’re kidding. You’ve got to be joking. The Rebbe said not
to. This is a joke. Who do you guys think you are to do your own thing?!

Nusach Ari.
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Nusach Ari.

This is a beautiful development for the Nusach Ari Community.

Flatbush Litvak
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Flatbush Litvak

We too suffer from this. The poskim and leading Roshi Yeshiva of Flatbush (some who were almost 90 years old at the time) said no to follow the Psak Rav Moshe Feinstein and some filthy prusta baal haabos went and paid some unheard of Rov from Monsey who gave his hechsher. Now we have a fashion show, and pritzus galore prancing our streets on shabbos morning. Brace yourselves Crown Heights. The Lubavitcher Rebbe agreed with Rav Moshes Psak that it’s 100 percent assur to make an Eruv in Brooklyn. So did the Satmar Rov and every other Rebbe and Posek.… Read more »

38
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38

Why would that be awful?

Such an embarrassment!!!
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Such an embarrassment!!!

Listen to the Rabonim of our community!!! or better yet, LISTEN TO THE REBBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vigilante
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Vigilante

Sorry but there will be no Eruv. It’s already down.

ERUV or ERUV-RAV ? ? ?
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ERUV or ERUV-RAV ? ? ?

Lets remember that it was the ERUV-RAV that caused the yidden to suffer from the EIGEL HAZOHOV and we are still paying the price today…

Lets be smart . And NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE AGAIN…..

DANGEROUS
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DANGEROUS

Please, I am pleading with you all…DON’T USE THIS ERUV! All 3 Rabbonim of Crown Heights are openly against it.

Going against the Beis Din of your town publicly is worse than the issur of carrying on Shabbos (which may be
בזמן הזה דרבנן) and is DANGEROUS.

One who cannot accept the פסק דין of the Beis Din of their town are better off relocating to a town where the Rabbonim have a different opinion.

Please do not use this Eruv.

 To #43
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To #43

Very irresponsible and ignorant!!!

to 21 - ask your rav
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to 21 - ask your rav

This is really good stuff!

Ask you Rav! our ‘Rav” is the Rebbe and the Rebbe was against it, so what is the question?

If you are Chabad Lubavitch, than our ‘Rav” already has spoken about this, and we have first person accounts from his Mazkir. Not to mention the Beis Din which the Rebbe instructed us to setup.

Sounds like...
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Sounds like...

Here we have a new “Liozner Rebbe.” Same motive, different clothes. Unfortunately, as our Rebbe is not “visible”, we all take advantage. VHMY

To 34
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To 34

Using a benedel would be a simple manner in which you can completely avoid chilul shabbos, regardless of whatever else may happen.

Ari
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Ari

For all those who dont consider themselves Lubavitcher Chassidim, good for you, enjoy carrying within an Eiruv. For all those who would like to consider themselves as part of Lubavitch, before you step out of the house holding your tallis tomorrow morning, you might want to declare first to yourself – “i am about to carry outside, where the Alter Rebbe Paskens there is currently no Eruv, and therefore there is Chilul Shabbos, and i am happy that there is an Eruv where the Rebbe was against. I have new Poskim who i follow, the Alter Rebbe isnt my posek… Read more »

To number 37
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To number 37

I live in ch cause I grew up here and my parents and my wife’s parents live here. Nothing to do with the rebbe! Let us live our lives in peace and quiet. Take your rebbe nonsense somewhere else. Also, I have great respect for our late rebbe and hate when people talk in his name. Unfortunately, he has not been here with us for 22 years and we simply do not know what his opinion would be now in 2016. One thing is for sure he was never for hatred between Jews, never. Have more ahavas Yisroel and stop… Read more »

crown heights is not chabad
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crown heights is not chabad

Neighborhoods change, just as ch was not chabad in the 50’s. so too today, learn to get along with others, leave your cave, embrace that others have different opinions

To 58 - correction
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To 58 - correction

Is it only according to the Alter Rebbe?

Which Halachic authority would say that an Eruv which is opposed by ALL local Rabbonim may be used? If I am not mistaken, you would not find one serious halachich authority that will say that one may use an Eruv which is opposed by local Rabbonim.

This goes beyond the technicalities of an Eruv, it goes into basic Halacha principles of authority of Rabbonim.

Happy
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Happy

Those who don’t want to carry won’t but people should have the option to ! So happy

Im not shocked...but very saddened
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Im not shocked...but very saddened

I knew this day was coming but I still find it very sad. Another nail in the coffin of our future . Along with the tzniyus and other stuff that has gone by the wayside.

"Eruv Shaming"
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"Eruv Shaming"

I think that those who use the eruv should be publically shamed. Anyone who carries on Shabbos should be shamed by all those who pass them by. We will not stand for this!

To #64
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To #64

Just be careful. Some eruv users can carry weaopns and you can’t..i’d tread lightly

over on lifnai eaver
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over on lifnai eaver

Nebach,simply over on lifnai eaver lo seatain michshol.

Like using a phone shell that doesn’t have any electronics inside, or less = to a reform rabbi’s hechsher .
a sad day ,let’s daven for rachamim & chesed for everyone to see and do what’s right.

Time To Move Out of Crown Heights
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Time To Move Out of Crown Heights

Anyone that Lives in Crown Heights is directly and indirectly going against the Rebbe. The only sensible solution to avoid this issue (because tearing down the Airuv is illegal) is to move out of Crown Heights.

Everyone just calm down
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Everyone just calm down

I think you all just need to get a life. Find another profession besides for fighting over comments on col. Like seriously people…….

Eruv Rav
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Eruv Rav

There is a terrible eruv rav in Crown Heights. On issue after issue, the neighborhood has proven itself more frei than even the most modern communities in NYC. The tznius, the chillul Hashem, the machlokes, and now this. IMHO, it’s game over.

I hear the eiruv has been damaged
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I hear the eiruv has been damaged

I hear the eiruv has been damaged already. Can anyone verify

eruv
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eruv

There are so many things the Rabbonim are silent about. Why are they waking up now?

Eruv is boruch hashem taken down
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Eruv is boruch hashem taken down

Mazal tov.
BH they didn’t succeed

SARA G
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SARA G

I want the eruv. I don’t believe that the Rebbe didn’t want it for our day and age. It’s not the 1950’s anymore. I have a nice bag for Shabbos and I’m using it !!!

Thank You
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Thank You

I will be using the Eruv. Finally I can take my daughter to Shul and let my wife rest a bit!

We need to stand for whats right
Guest
We need to stand for whats right

By beating around the bush to get what you want done By not officially doing it for crown heights. It still upright wrong a chutzpa and should not be able to get away with it… This is going against what the rebbe stated in simaller situation and against the opinion of all the rabonim of our community crown heights. Who is this shwartz that can just decide what he wants to do and feel that he doesn’t need to answer to the rabonim that don’t hold of it. Is he even a lubavitcher guy, apparently not by his actions and… Read more »

Disgusting
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Disgusting

These guys are messing with the Rebbe and I don’t recommend that.
If it’s a neighboring area shouldn’t cover CH at all.

Simple Simon says
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Simple Simon says

Simple Simon says pick up your mouse. Simple Simon says X out this page. Simple Simon says get a life and stop hating on others. Simple Simon says have ahavas yisroel.

Watching
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Watching

Let the fierce popcorn munching begin.

Other Chabad Communities
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Other Chabad Communities

There are many other Chabad communities around the world that have an Eruv.

BTW us ladies of crown heights are very happy. we are not in lockdown anymore while the men are out drinking and Shul hopping.

SHAME ON THOSE WHO DAMAGE THE ERUV!!!
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SHAME ON THOSE WHO DAMAGE THE ERUV!!!

I do not agree with this Eruv at all. But I do know that whoever damages or is an accessory to the damaging of this Eruv is worse then an animal (Yitosh kodmoch). You are causing Jews (Chabad or not) who are relying on this Eruv, to be mechalel shabbos. The fact that you think you are doing it for good cause, makes you a bigger idiot. SHAME ON YOU!!!

to #59
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to #59

So well said! Glad to have a voice of reason!

Finally
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Finally

Finally, one sensible man in this entire thread. It is and has been a long time coming for all the women of the community to have an Eruv so they too can enjoy Shabbos!

Eruv down
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Eruv down

Eruv is going to be down every Shabbos
many bochrim has this job and are taking care of this

AGAINST THE TORAH
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AGAINST THE TORAH

For the record: When setting up the beis din, the Rebbe insisted that it not be a CHABAD beis din.

He insisted that the elections be open to EVERY single JEWISH member of the Crown Hights community!  This way – al pi torah/halacha – the Beis Din has jurisdiction over the ENTIRE community! – not just a specific shul(s).

For members of the community to seek outside “rabbonim” to OVERIDE the UNANIMOUS opinion of Crown Heights RABBONIM – is clearly against, mentclichkeit, yosher, Torah and Hashem!

Good Job Finally!!!!!!
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Good Job Finally!!!!!!

I’m a chabbad chossid who agrees with this Erev.
Good job to whoever was envolved!!!!

to #80
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to #80

Breaking the Eruv does not cause Jews to be M’chalel Shabbos since the Eruv does not halachically exist at all.
The only effect of breaking the eruv is so that people who think they have a shita to rely on, do not have the physical eruv to carry out their Shita.

The person who sets up the eruv is causing chillul shabbos, and the person who destroys it is preventing chillul shabbos.

Shabbos meal at prospect park
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Shabbos meal at prospect park

Everyone is invited to join us for our Shabbos meal in the park as long as you bring your food, tables and chairs would be there. Looking forward to seeing all of you there.

#85
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#85

Exactly how are you a chabad chossid if you are going against a clear psak of the local beis din?

To #86
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To #86

Who are you to decide what halachically exists? You can say the Rebbe is against it and this Eruv does not follow the Alter Rebbe’s shita, and I would agree. However, to say that there is no halachic premise for this Eruv, is foolish. You, my friend, are a part of the problem. Shame on you! If anyone should walk down the street ashamed, it should be those who favor damaging the Eruv.

So now we know.
Guest
So now we know.

Who is frum and who is not.
Who is a chossid and who is not
Who cares about the Torah and mitzvos.
And those who don’t will use the eiruv and violate shabbos cv”s..
Just like they violate the laws af kashrus (cholov AKUM) and taharas mishpacha (lack of kosher clothing and intermingling).
You have been warned. The eruv will be torn down. Don’t use it.
May Hashem have mercy on the fools and bring them back too the ways of Torah.
M.Z.

Barry S
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Barry S

I am shocked. The eruv is down. I just verified it with my own eyes.
We will put cameras and catch the perps, we will go after thise who will rip it down with the full extant of the law. You have won the battle for this Shabbos but the Law os on our side, we will win the eruv war.

Worst day ever
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Worst day ever

We no longer have a united community. :(:(:( why do we need this eruv. The ones who will use it, don’t keep Shobbos anyways. We Need the Rebbe. Ad mossi.

There is no eruv
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There is no eruv

Carry-ons it’s on you….don’t blame anyone for tearing it cuz torn or not- it’s not a kosher eruv

The Crown Heights Beis DIn is not the Crown Heights Lubavitch Beis Din.
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The Crown Heights Beis DIn is not the Crown Heights Lubavitch Beis Din.

In gimmel tamuz 5746 Rabbi Eliezer Zirkind wrote to the Rebbe that the elected Crown Heights Beis Din will be called
“בי”ד רבני ליובאוויטש – קראון הייטס”
The Rebbe wrote sharply against this proposed name and wrote:
פירוש הצעתם – על פי שולחן ערוך – שכל אלה שבשכונה ואינם ליובאוויטש יבחרו רבנים ובית דין וכו’.

The Rebbe foresaw these things coming and insured that the elected Beis Din is to be called the “Crown Heights Beis Din” period, for all those who live in Crown Heights.
Rabbi Dovid Nissan Bressman
Los Angeles

Flatbush Litvak
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Flatbush Litvak

We too suffer from this. The poskim and leading Roshi Yeshiva of Flatbush (some who were almost 90 years old at the time) said no to follow the Psak Rav Moshe Feinstein and some baal haabos went and paid some unheard of Rov from Monsey who gave his hechsher. Now we have a fashion show, and pritzus galore prancing our streets on shabbos morning. Brace yourselves Crown Heights. The Lubavitcher Rebbe agreed with Rav Moshes Psak that it’s 100 percent assur to make an Eruv in Brooklyn. So did the Satmar Rov and every other Rebbe and Posek. It was… Read more »

you will not win
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you will not win

Get out of crown heights. there are way to many people who are going to make sure the eiruv wont happen, We have spies in your camp and will know where you dont have cameras
you are disgracing the rebbes name and will not win.

To all the eruvists
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To all the eruvists

What a way to show respect to your Rebbe in preparation for Gimmel Tammuz. Wow.

The rebbe
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The rebbe

So many people on hear professing to know what the rebbe wanted. I can assure you one thing the rebbe did NOT want machlokes! look what is happening here on erev shabbos when we should be helping our wifes out! not on our cellphone arguing. Live and let live. If you dont want to use it dont but lets not be our own enemy and create sinas chinum

IT'S DOWN
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IT'S DOWN

*IMPORTANT* *MESSAGE* FROM RABBI E. SCHWARTZ REGARDING THE CROWN HEIGHTS EIRUV!!! – *READ* *AND* *FORWARD!*

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So much for that idea
Guest
So much for that idea

Can’t rely on the eruv if it will be taken down all the time

Eiruv down
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Eiruv down

The other question is will they be honest when people rip it and inform everyone that it is down or will they deny it because it shows defeat and goes against their agenda.

Barry S
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Barry S

Yeah you should take them to the CH Beis Din

Saw this on whatsapp...  Can someone verify?
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Saw this on whatsapp... Can someone verify?

*IMPORTANT* *MESSAGE* FROM RABBI E. SCHWARTZ REGARDING THE CROWN HEIGHTS EIRUV!!! – *READ* *AND* *FORWARD!*

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A message from Rabbi Schwartz
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A message from Rabbi Schwartz

*IMPORTANT* *MESSAGE* FROM RABBI E. SCHWARTZ REGARDING THE CROWN HEIGHTS EIRUV!!! – *READ* *AND* *FORWARD!*

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Reminding some history
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Reminding some history

Rabbi Schwartz says this isn’t for the Chabad community and Mr. Ganau is quoted with similar sentiments. Hereby, dividing between the community and the chabad community.
Well, that Shul wouldn’t have been here if not for our Bachurim who kept up the Shabbis and yom Tov Minyanim for decades! In dust, in freezing cold, in scirtching heat, the Bachurim were always there! The conflict they have with Rabbi Kurshenbaum can’t erase that historical factor. For them to turn around and make it sound like there’s a “us” and there’s a “them” is painful and unfair.

Wake up
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Wake up

I love how people are going crazy over an Eruv when there are far worse things going on in ch…for example the rebbes school?!?

Noach M
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Noach M

It’s is such a shame that the Rabbis are apposing Eiruv. I don’t think people realize that now we won’t be allowed to cook food the next time there’s a friday Yomtof! What’s a yomtof without a hot meal?

to no 104
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to no 104

stop spreading false information…..

To #95
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To #95

When a Litvak talks about pritzos they are in trouble. You are simply not trustworthy.

being machmir
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being machmir

If only everyone would be as machmir about following the Rebbe’s hora’ah of ahavas yisroel as they are about not having an eruv in crown heights, Moshiach would’ve already been hear and we wouldn’t have to fake shouting “ad mosai?!” anymore. If you are all as serious of chassidim as you portray yourselves to be, ask yourselves this important question: “would the Rebbe be using col comments to incite Jew against Jew? Did the Rebbe differentiate between Jews?I think the answer would be no. The whole “us and them” mentality seen in Meshichist vs. non-Meshichist is rearing its ugly head… Read more »

to 59
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to 59

1st of all the rebbe is alive look in sotah daf yud, taanis daf gimmel/daled not to mention lkutei sichos chalek 26 parshas shemos toras menachem 1 page around page 20 and many more. we can know what the rebbe holds BY WHAT HE SAID until the rebbe says clearly otherwise what he said still stands maybe the torah also should not apply now and halacha and if you could say that about the rebbe say about the alter rebbes shulchan aruch and everything else. i can imagine a criminal in court when asked why he did something saying “well… Read more »

to #103-4
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to #103-4

i called and no one answered

To #73
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To #73

Purses (like umbrellas) are muktzah, whether there eruv or not.

im very impressed! with the change
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im very impressed! with the change

i hope no one thinks its still up and carries on shobas.
may we have only good news to shear from now on!

Aveira Gorreres Aveira
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Aveira Gorreres Aveira

The most deplorable effect generated by this development will be that the women of Crown Heights will now have a free pass to leave their homes on shabbos. We are opening a can of worms here. a toddler bearing woman that is being given the option to leave ones home on shabbos will lead to them neglecting their duties as wife and balabusta. The Rabonim were always adamant about women knowing their rightful place in the community, and they instituted strict laws against the use of any eiruv to ensure that their wishes were upheld with the greatest of urgency.… Read more »

Crazy
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Crazy

YOU GUYS ARE ALL NUTS IN THE HEAD!!!

HONESTLY FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME OTHER THAN ARGUE WITH EACH OTHER ALL DAY ITS EREV SHABBOS YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL BE AT THE MARKETPLACE SHOPPING OR SOMETHING

-Ha Rav Yoel Pesso

RABBI SCHWARTZ ROV???
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RABBI SCHWARTZ ROV???

Rabbi Schwartz does not come close to even a pulpit rabbi!
A ROV? WHAT A JOKE!

To Number 116
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To Number 116

If this was Facebook or Instagram i would like your comment!

Ha Rav Yoel Pesso For new Crown Heights Beis Din 2016

Shame on you
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Shame on you

To be called Lubavitchers you got to listen to ALL what the Rebbe said. No matter if its the Eruv of shaving “a little bit” or to waist your time . It`s the same people who want to reform our SOLID values and way of life.

To the Pro-Eruv CH'ers
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To the Pro-Eruv CH'ers

Have any of you given Rabbi Schwartz money, to become a partner in his eruv?

ahavas yisroel
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ahavas yisroel

For those that are worried about the rebbes approach to ahavas yisroel. If you want to say that the Rebbe was against Machlokes then The Rebbe was against Machlakos and therefore against starting things that cause Machlokes. For example, putting up an eiruv that the majority of people disagree with. That would be starting machlokes. But in reality, having ahavas yisroel did not stop the Rebbe from fighting and storming and screaming about shleimus haaretz and mi hu yehudi and many other things. So having ahavas yisroel does not mean that one cannot make a machaah when something that is… Read more »

To chevra 'ahavas yisroel'
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To chevra 'ahavas yisroel'

U have created more strife in this community than any other shul. U may want to change ur name to something you can really live up to…maybe chevra sinas chinam’? Maybe chevra ‘ mechalel shabbos’? Anything along those lines would be more truthful to demonstrate who you are.

Boruch
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Boruch

Berry shwarts the person that brings machlokes to crown heights. This is already the second time you are dividing this community get out of here. U have no place.
I finish with a blessing, may you see no success in all your endeavors and let this community stay united

just finished 2 bags of pop corn GEVALD!
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just finished 2 bags of pop corn GEVALD!
Utterly disgraceful
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Utterly disgraceful

The crown heights community is a Chabad Community all those who are part of the confines of that community MUST adhere to the laws and customs.

It is a shame that members of crown heights are fishing other “Rabbis” to help them break those laws.

The Lubavitcher Rebbe was AGAINST AN EIRUV. PERIOD.

Who is “Rabbi Schwartz” and why are we endorsing him to go against the Rebbe?

We are Lubavitch NOT Modern Orthodox!

Lubavitch has clear methods of ” bringing people closer to bring moshiach” we dont need modern Orthodox “Rabbis” showing us how.

Disgusted. I’d rather go to Borough Park

Who Do People Think They Are
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Who Do People Think They Are

Because you live in CH that does not mean you control or dictate the way people in CH should live. People have the right to choose.

Dictating the way people should live and attempt to shame them for it Sounds Like Sharia law and not Judaism. I am thoroughly disgusted with this community.

Ahavas yisroel
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Ahavas yisroel

Love how so many ppl are pulling out ahavas yisroel. This is a case of prikas ol! Ahavas yisroel is standing up for whats right….. and that is to follow the psak of,the local rabbanim.

Let me make it really clear!!!
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Let me make it really clear!!!

Just like there is a eiruv in other communities where people walk all the time on shobbos, for example Boro Park, so to here in ch and around there is a eiruv, does that mean YOU MUST USE IT?

I'm shocked out of my wits!!!
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I'm shocked out of my wits!!!

There is a Rebbe of lubavitch

@126
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@126

This is America, and the majority rules here. The majority of CH is opposed to this “eruv”.

american jews
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american jews

To 125 We are jews first and americans second. We follow halacha first and american laws second. American law may say that a person has the freedom to do what he wants, but Halacha gives the power to the Rabbanim to “dictate” and control how the community lives and to excommunicate those who dont follow. People are able to choose which community they live in. But once they choose the community, the are bound to live by the community rules. Espescially if one wants to use comunity services (mikvahs, hatzalah etc.). In fact, sharia values may be more in line… Read more »

To #125
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To #125

Quote: disgusted. I’d rather go to borough Park.
You sound so stupid.
If you go to Boro Park you are just showing how much you really care about this whole thing.. There the eiruv is up already.

Yey individuallity!!!!
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Yey individuallity!!!!

Bh
Congratulations to all those who expressed their individuality in judaism by getting an eruv done in the Rebbe’s home despite the rebbe’s deeply personal objections.
Whel here’s mine: i will cut it. Perhaps on shabbos in a permissible way, perhaps right before. Perhaps this week, perhaps another week.
This is my belief, this is my custom and i hope you all respect it.
But by all means please don’t ever assume a full eruv in the Rebbe’s back or front yard

טרייף איז טריף איזה טרייףי
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טרייף איז טריף איזה טרייףי

I got a little chaser that some people say it’s kosher because it’s has signs of Kosher fit in fact some very big Rabbi said it’s okay. and we going to sell it in Crown Heights not for her chabad

If i am pro Eiruv does that make me a Meshichist or an Anti?
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If i am pro Eiruv does that make me a Meshichist or an Anti?
רחמנא ליצלן
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רחמנא ליצלן

חוצפה שאין כמותה did you חס ושלום forget about the Rebbe the Rebbe said clearly not to make a eruv

Seriously?? Give me a break!!!
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Seriously?? Give me a break!!!

Why are people making such a big deal out of this eiruv, at least someone is doing something.. Whoever wants to take it down doesn’t really want to make things better, rather make problems. Are you trying to help the situation? Well this way will definitely not help. And trying to blame it on the rebbe, the rebbe would definitely not want you to go take it down, it’s not the derech of the rebbe to do things by force, the rebbe would maybe tell you to go speak with the one that put it up, but to go cut… Read more »

Where did the Rebbe evewr say publicly
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Where did the Rebbe evewr say publicly

NOT TO BUILD AN ERUV IN CH?

The Rebbe said to build it quietly and this was built quietly it is the people who are against it that are making publicity from it. Just imagine that an eruv was built around the entire BROOKLYN that is what this is. YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT IF YOU DONT WANT

Outraged
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Outraged

Is this what the Rebbe earned??
יתמו חטאים ולא חוטאים

To all those saying, the rebbe was against it!
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To all those saying, the rebbe was against it!

Please find me one good source that the rebbe said it’s not something we should do.
Till then I think this eiruv is a very good thing and it will help so many people..

Ahavas yisroel
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Ahavas yisroel

It doesn’t mean ahavas haeruv. It is ok to say the eruv is a bad idea and to tell people not to use it. But if you see someone using the eruv using and she says oh I am not chabad, I belong to that other shul which holds it is ok then that’s it, don’t bother her

When u have no Local Rabbonim
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When u have no Local Rabbonim

When Rabbi O write a letter against BRAUN AND SCHWEI saying if you eat there Hescher it is TRAIF AND visa Versa we then have no BAIS AND NO rabbonim they dont even talk to one another.

This is an ERUV for BROOKLYN people and people in CH who want to us it like the SHABBAS ELEVATOR we have here on Crown St

I wouldn't use the erev
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I wouldn't use the erev

But to take it down is make another person be מחלל שבת

Missing the point
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Missing the point

Most of the people are missing the point that the zechoi of the pas doesn’t help which is the real meaning of Eiruv mixing the food, because of those that oppose it even if the mechitzsos would be good

lol
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lol

Its not even in the Crown Heights shcuna!
Anyone who lives out there and decides to use it, that is on your own head.
Lubavitch as a group does not rely on an eruv. If one does decide to use it, please do it at your own discretion.
Further more if you plan on using it, it would be appreciated if you made it very clear you are doing it on your own and not as a Lubavitcher.
thank you
some who is proud to be called a Lubavitcher and live up to its standards.

Calm down
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Calm down

We live out of new York and there is an eruv but we don’t use it. Our kids don’t use it. We don’t own crown heights. Why can’t you live peacefully and let people who aren’t chabad make an eruv and use it if they want. Chabad members shouldn’t use it. It’s up to us to hold our standards and not carry, just like we do out of town. Our children know that we don’t use the eruv but those who hold by it can.

It's not the chabad community
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It's not the chabad community

There are other people who have a right to live where ever they want and they chose to put up an eruv . It’s not chabad members and they don’t follow our dinim. We don’t have to accept their eruv and use it. Let them live. That’s true Ahavas Yisroel, tolerance.

Sounds more like the Rebbe's camp :) then the Rebbe's Shechunah
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Sounds more like the Rebbe's camp :) then the Rebbe's Shechunah
The rebbe never said DONT PUT UP A Eiruv.
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The rebbe never said DONT PUT UP A Eiruv.

As far as I remember the rebbe said not to publicize that there is a eiruv, but the rebbe didn’t say a thing about putting it up.
So all those עמרצים, do some research before taking down the eiruv

Rebuttal of Rabbi Levine's Thesis
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Rebuttal of Rabbi Levine's Thesis

The first part of the rebuttal of Rabbi Levine’s thesis

http://eruvonline.blogspot.com/2016/06/part-1-rebuttal-eruv-in-crown-heights_45.html

The Eruv will be down within the first 10min- HARVAX
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The Eruv will be down within the first 10min- HARVAX

To all this that plan on using the eruv this shabbos. I can guarantee you right now that within 10min. Of shabbos the eruv will be down. And you all know that very well. I don’t support tearing it down during shabbos.
We all have to face reality

To number 149
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To number 149

The fact that it WAS made known to the public is going against the rebbes words and is reason enough to take it down

Designer Pet Carrier
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Designer Pet Carrier

For all those excited about the Eiruv, i recommend this gorgeous pet carrier:

https://jet.com/search?term=Designer%20Pet%20Products%20Scarlett%20Pet%20Carrier

Lunacy
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Lunacy

The Airuv was not built for the Lubavitcher’s of crown heights, period! So why are ppl getting all crazy and worked up? If you wanna use it, that’s your own deal. And those that plan on ripping it down, that’s a real chilul lubavitch and you will cause other yidden to be michalel shabbos.

The point is that they are being Michalel shabbis
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The point is that they are being Michalel shabbis

Regardless whether it’s torn or not: it’s the same. They are both not allowed.

It is not for the chabad community
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It is not for the chabad community

But it is also not for the crown heights community since the ch beis din is against. It is only for people from prospect heights since they put it up, not any ch shul

To #152
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To #152

That’s a dum conclusion, the rebbe was not against putting it up, so just because it was publicized, that doesn’t make sense to take down, and that’s not what the rebbe wanted.. So use your head and think how it’s going to make things better through taking it down, you will realize how stupid it it to take down, making people carry, are you taking the responsibility of those carrying..?

We are Chassidim first.
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We are Chassidim first.

@131

I never mentioned anything about American law.

you might want to clue your self into what it means to be a chossid.

PS America iz nit andersh

O.P.#125

Guys get a life
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Guys get a life

The fact that you guys are on col means you have nothing better to do including me. But none of you guys actually know what you are saying.

Yours truly
The Eruv

#25
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#25

thay are going agints the rebbe dont cry later when its too late

 Yippee doodle
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Yippee doodle

Oy givalt ich ken nemen a tuna bigel ztom 770 nisht inter talis ven kiner kookt (Anonymous cause I don’t want to get) stoned

EVERYONE
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EVERYONE

YOU ARE LUBAVITCHER SHLUCHIM. You’re supposed to bring other Jews closer! I think an eruv is an excellent idea. You’re preventing those who carry on shabbbat to carry and break shabbat! Even if they don’t keep shabbat or whatever, you’re still helping them with one aspect! Just because there is an eruv, there is no need to feel threatened. Just don’t use it. Don’t be jerks about it. And the rebbe would probably allow one in this day and age.

So now we know.
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So now we know.

Who is frum and who is not.
Who is a chossid and who is not
Who cares about the Torah and mitzvos.
And those who don’t will use the eiruv and violate shabbos cv”s..
Just like they violate the laws af kashrus (cholov AKUM) and taharas mishpacha (lack of kosher clothing and intermingling).
You have been warned. The eruv will be torn down. Don’t use it.
May Hashem have mercy on the fools and bring them back too the ways of Torah.
M.Z.

and the slippery slope begins...
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and the slippery slope begins...

SIGH
yeridas hadoros

#154
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#154

#154 says it all. Its NOT meant for all you gedolai hador so dont get mad and flatter yourselves about something that is NOT intended for you. Also by ripping it down you think you are so smart and mighty but anyone that will carry will be mechalel Shabbos in your name. So how smart will you be then?

 When I was driving down Empire its  when I saw the parade
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When I was driving down Empire its when I saw the parade

Of people with yellow flags as they did the grand opening of the eriv #The one with the yellow thing on a shirt pulled out a Pier of scissor on a ladder and cut it while singing so so

@156
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@156

The people of Prospect Heights had no right to put up an eruv, in a neighborhood they do not live in.

Finally!
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Finally!

It’s about time Crown Heights had an eruv!

@168
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@168

The eruv is pusul, because Rabbi Schwartz no longer endorses it.

american jews
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american jews

@158

Post 131 Was meant for post 126 – it moved down after I commented. It might sound a little different now ;).

OP 131

 Urgent! Time to decide.
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Urgent! Time to decide.

To put it in simple words, it seems there are a number of people that are trying to distance themselves from their upbringing, but cannot make the jump because of guilt feelings (- a form of Bipolar disease). Its time to make the jump, either move out of the CH Lubavich community to Tribeca or anywhere else and you will not have to live with the constant reminder and family embarrassment when you cut your beard, or your wife walks around with pants or worse etc. kids going to public school. or return to your roots and join the community… Read more »

אני בעד
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אני בעד

How will we be able to bring kids games from one house to the next without it

Nothing to do with Chabad
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Nothing to do with Chabad

All the comments with people pig bananas are ridiculous because this has ZERO to do with Chabad. In fact other non-Lubavitch Jews were there first. Be respectful and decent. Everyone knows that Chabad won’t use it, so don’t! Non-Lubavitch Jew don’t need permission of Chabad to conduct their own Judaism. Speak for yourself! I as a Sepharadi Jew do it use these strings on posts. We don’t jump up and down and have a fit when other Jews do.

YES!
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YES!

This is amazing for nowadays the people of crown heights have great need for an eruv. This is the best thing to happen to ch since Kingston pizza

Sinas Chinum
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Sinas Chinum

The Rebbe also said to love your fellow Jew like your own. You’re so concerned about what the Rebbe thinks about the Eruv. Maybe your should think about what the Rebbe would think about all your hatred to one another.

Sara
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Sara

BH Enough arguing. We know what’s right. Its sad to see people going against the Rebbe and the Rabbonim in His Shchuna, whether they consider him their Rebbe or not. There are obviously alot of things going on behind the scenes that we’re not aware of. Bribes and so on. Its quite sad that this is in relation to CH. I’m 20, and its painful to see what goes on.. All the machlokes. I don’t plan on raising my children in CH among all the machlokes although I wish I could raise them in the Rebbe’s Shchuna. I believe if… Read more »

Eruv is boruch hashem taken down
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Eruv is boruch hashem taken down

Mazal tov.
BH they didn’t succeed

great news
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great news

i don’t care whether there is or isn’t an eruv, but i like that things get done by people that want them done and those who think they can control the actions of others don’t get their way

My heart goes out to all of you
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My heart goes out to all of you

My heart literally goes out to all of you that have nothing better to do but to sit on col and write these comments
I think it’s a bigger problem that you all have no life than the machlokes about the Eruv
Go and get a life!
I cry for people like you
Hope you all grow up and find a purpose in your life

How can you trust an item that needs a hechsher without knowing the Rov?
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How can you trust an item that needs a hechsher without knowing the Rov?

Would you eat in a restaurant without the Hechsher on display?
Would you buy a Sefer Torah from Walmart?

In order to be able to use the Eruv, you have to know if it really is a kosher eruv, or if this is just a ploy to divide us, without there really being an eruv up.

what will the gentiles say?
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what will the gentiles say?

Honoring tradition, obeying the great leaders of the recent past, and modest dress and behavior earns the respect of our neighbors and helps them to resist the demagogues who call for violence.

180 even better analogy
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180 even better analogy

Imagine if this was a new CH restaurant that will be opened on shabbos and a mystery rabbi/hechsher is claimed to give it a heter mechira

London
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London

The Rebbe was so against an extensive eiruv which is used publically…. WHY ARE WE MAKING ONE!!!
What has happened to US Chabad Chassidim!!!!! 🙁

responding to 179
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responding to 179

says 179, who is sitting on COL, writing offensive comments and who clearly ALSO doesn’t have a life!

to no. 16
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to no. 16

you write “Crown height not chabad It’s important for all to know that crown heights is NOT exclusively Lubavitch. It never was. In fact during the election of the Badatz the rebbe made it very clear that crown heights is not only Lubavitch and therefore the badatz can NOT be part of anything Lubavitch or have any authority within Lubavitch” ALL RESIDENTS OF CH INCLUDING ALL THE MOSDOS IN CH (LUBAVITCH OR NON LUBAVITCH) ARE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE BADATZ OF CH. INCLUDING THE SHUL KOL ISRAEL ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY TOOK PART OF ALL THE ELECTIONS DONE IN CH… Read more »

@146 calm down
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@146 calm down

I think the reason why people are going nuts and not calming down, is because they can only feel at ease with themselves when they are putting others down. I think it’s clear that the Eiruv is not being organised by the Chabad community and is therefore not intended to serve the needs of the Chabad community. If that’s the case, why the uproar? Because machlokes is fun! Divisiveness makes me look frummer! If I become more tolerant and accepting of other expressions of Orthodox Judaism, I might lose my connection with Chabad because it is so, so strong. We… Read more »

Gevallllddddd
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Gevallllddddd

people are misreading the boundries of the eiru from the map and are under the assumption that the greater CH are is under Eiruv and were carrying on shabbos

this is horrible

were are the rabbonim ????

Bubby Brooklyn
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Bubby Brooklyn

One good news…the Crown Heights Rebbeim agree on something …I guess this is what it takes to unite us…?

רחמנא ליצלן
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רחמנא ליצלן

חוצפה שאין כמותה did you חס ושלום forget about the Rebbe the Rebbe said clearly not to make a eruv

from Rabbi Heller
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from Rabbi Heller

Rabbi Heller just addressed the eiruv issue in kolel and asked to share his words. The following was written up by one of the people in attendance. 1. Eiruvin is from the three most difficult sugiyos in halacha. To make an eiruv in a city (which is a different ballgame then a bungalow colony etc). Is extremely complicated, there are only יחידים in our dor that know how to do it properly. It’s like a heart surgery, you cant just be a regular dr. you have to be a regular dr plus specialise in hearts… He said its actually harder… Read more »

other sid e of the world
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other sid e of the world

number 12 the rebbe said NO LO MIT groser ALEF

Miri
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Miri

The eruv is not for everyone If you are not happy with the eruv being up, just don’t use it, but there are some people that are happy with it being put up,

It may surprise people
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It may surprise people

But not all who live in the area are Lubavitch. And for Jews who want affordable housing, kosher stores and a shul for shabbos, an eruv is a must. For most Shabbos is about community, and not locking women up at home with babies and nowhere to go or still shlepping to your mothers house. Plus, these people can actually sustain a community here as prices go up its doubtful many Lubavitchers will be able to afford to stay.

your prob
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your prob

you know that we are ruining the eruv so if you deicde to carry its your problem that you get the aveira not ours

haniC
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haniC

I have been living in CH for decades and Crown Heights has changed a lot since the Rebbi was here, and everyone is talking about the eruv being up and there are more important things going on in CH then someone putting up an eruv, that could prevent someone from carrying on Shabbos, get a life and stop talking about taking it down,

@193
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@193

I grew up in Monsey, and hardly anyone uses the eruv there. The children play in their backyards, while the mothers enjoy some peace and quiet inside. It is actually pretty rare to see a stroller out, because it is prohibited to push it over grass. The up and coming neighborhood of Pomona does not have an eruv yet, and people are still moving there in droves. There are plenty of opportunities for women to go out on Shabbos, without an eruv being around Crown Heights. Eastern Parkway is always full of married women walking, on Shabbos afternoons. Just because… Read more »

Rebbe
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Rebbe

The Rebbe may have been against an Eiruv.
Maybe.
The Rebbe was definitely against our Rabonim fighting openly with each other.
For sure.

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