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Maybe we should ask
October 4, 2021 10:10 am

If these people received early treatment. Let the esteemed Rabbi ask why it seems only “prominent” people like Nathan Sharansky ans his wife got Regeneron monoclonal antibodies.

CHT
Reply to  Maybe we should ask
October 4, 2021 10:24 am

Monoclonal works 3 days after symptoms. Some people will, some not. The point is to stop the spread which makes every sick make many others.

Regeneron
Reply to  CHT
October 4, 2021 7:15 pm

Regeneron works up to 12 days from the onset of symptoms

it doesnt
Reply to  CHT
October 5, 2021 12:16 pm

vaxx does NOT prevent spread.

so no reason to vaxxx really.

ivermectine and hdq also work and ISRAEL IS NOT GIVING!!!!!!! ONLY PUSHING FOR JAB

agreed
Reply to  Maybe we should ask
October 4, 2021 10:24 am

agreed. maybe find out why so many people in Israel are scared to go to the hospital

Hospital in israel
Reply to  agreed
October 5, 2021 12:09 pm

People in israel are told to stay home and are given oxygen at home. Only if they are very bad do they get admitted to the hospital. If they are put on a ventilator they dont usually survive. Hospitals were overwhelmed and people are safer being treated at home. Medical staff were forced to take the vaccine to keep their jobs so many quit leaving hospitals short staffed, and leaving hospitals using not well trained people. Hospitals were promised more staff, but not given it. My friend’s daughter went to the hospital unable to breath due to covid, and was… Read more »

Regeron is only just now in israel
Reply to  Maybe we should ask
October 4, 2021 10:57 am

Regeron has only become available in the last few days in israel. More to the point is why werent they given ivermectin, quercetin, vit D, and zinc

Regeneron needs to be taken very early on
Reply to  Maybe we should ask
October 4, 2021 11:22 am

I’ll answer as a speculation since I don’t know each case. Regeneron only works when given in the first few days of diagnosed covid. It’s targeted for people who get diagnosed with COVID and have other factors that could possibly lead them to a severe case of COVID. If these patients who had COVID stayed home the first few days and only presented when very sick (this is speculation) they would not receive regeneron as it would not be appropriate and it wouldn’t do anything. They might get something like Remsvidir.

Not necessarily true
Reply to  Regeneron needs to be taken very early on
October 4, 2021 6:27 pm

My children were treated (in USA) with Regeneron monoclonal antibodies; one after 10 days of high fever & other serious symptoms (the day after diagnosis), the other was treated at the same time with Regeneron on the second day of symptoms. Two days after treatment, they were B”H both almost back to normal.

your children
Reply to  Not necessarily true
October 5, 2021 10:57 am

Your children where probably at low risk and would have been fine anyways

Remdesivir
Reply to  Regeneron needs to be taken very early on
October 4, 2021 7:19 pm

Remdesivir has proven to be a killer. 25% of patients it causes kidney failure.

Regeneron needs to be taken very early on
Reply to  Maybe we should ask
October 4, 2021 11:22 am

And how do we know the above people did not get regeneron?

Maybe we should be trusting hashem not vaccine
October 4, 2021 10:54 am

Why not make a yom tefilah tshuva and tzedaka instead of putting all your trust in vaccines

Listen to the rabbi
Reply to  Maybe we should be trusting hashem not vaccine
October 4, 2021 12:43 pm

Didn’t Hashem set up a system to listen to the Rav or your community?

right?
Reply to  Maybe we should be trusting hashem not vaccine
October 4, 2021 1:09 pm

I wish people thought more like this! If I got smallpox or polio or yellow fever, or whooping cough, or any of these democrat created “viruses” there is no way I am taking the vaccine.

Everyone who got the first smallpox vaccine is now dead, THINK ABOUT IT!

#Trump2024

Please stop spreading nonsenses
Reply to  right?
October 4, 2021 3:41 pm

Stop spreading garbage.
Remember seeing people with polio missing arms and legs .
please stop spreading garbage
VACINES SAVED MILLIOND OF LIVES EACH DAY
How did wee eradicate polio meningitis and countless other deadly diseases.

You think you’re funny
Reply to  right?
October 4, 2021 3:43 pm

But the vaccines for those have been around for a long time, with few or no side effects. And they were for diseases with much higher death rates than 0.2%.

Also, let it not be forgotten that when the vaccines were announced last fall, prominent Democrats were saying that it’s bad and dangerous and so forth. There’s good reason, therefore, to be wary of the sudden 180-degree swing towards not only promoting but mandating (and threatening consequences for not taking) it.

Halacha
Reply to  Maybe we should be trusting hashem not vaccine
October 4, 2021 5:19 pm

Maybe we should see what Hashem says: which is to use science to get the refua… And prevent it with the vaccine!

In response:
Reply to  Maybe we should be trusting hashem not vaccine
October 5, 2021 9:50 pm

And here is when we say, make a Keili! You need to do your part and get vaccinated.

For vision correction, too?
Reply to  Maybe we should be trusting hashem not vaccine
October 7, 2021 10:42 pm

I guess you don’t even think of getting glasses…just trust Hashem. Or getting cavities taken care of by dentist, just trust Hashem. Or look both ways before crossing…just trust Hashem.
Is it not Hashem who enables these scientific developments…????

Good!
October 4, 2021 10:59 am

Happy to see Chabad rabbonim pushing back against the insane mass-suicide that is vaccine refusal. How our community even got to this point should require a reckoning and reevaluation of our rabbinic structure, educational institutions and practices and more.

Stop the machlokes in Lubavitch
October 4, 2021 11:10 am

Maybe it’s time to stop all the machlokes in lubavitch

Terrible
October 4, 2021 11:28 am

My friends, not everything in the world is a conspiracy.
We must listen to our rabbanim even if we don’t understand or disagree.

It’s unfortunate when right wing commentators and thing we see on social media and online takes precedent over our Torah.

“Right-wing”
Reply to  Terrible
October 4, 2021 12:10 pm

And with those two words, the commenter’s real agenda is revealed. Has nothing to do with saving lives. It’s that he or she or it is peeved that we frum Jews have the chutzpah to not be leftists. (Never mind that we Chabad Chassidim have plenty of experience with the left in Russia, and that then as now the left are no friends of ours.)

You are so wrong
Reply to  “Right-wing”
October 4, 2021 12:53 pm

I am right wing and appalled by the anti vax stance of many conservatives. You don’t have to toe the party line on every single issue just because they sat so. They were wrong when they said this virus was like the flu and most are wrong on vaccines.

Right wing
Reply to  You are so wrong
October 4, 2021 7:05 pm

They were not wrong. If treated correctly it is just like the flu. I know this from personal experience of a number of family members. Whilst other members took the vaccines like it’s one of the Ten Commandments and came down with the virus after.

I am the one who said they were "wrong"
Reply to  Right wing
October 5, 2021 3:25 am

I said they were wrong. And it so happens my father died of the virus despite treatment. It is not like the flu but hopefully one day it will be.

Not like the flu
Reply to  You are so wrong
October 11, 2021 2:57 pm

You’re right it’s not like the flu. It’s way worse than the flu for elderly people, and less dangerous than the flu for younger people.

Right wing
Reply to  Terrible
October 4, 2021 7:00 pm

In other words the thousands of Rabbonim who forbid this vaccine don’t know what they’re talking about? I seem to recall a rule that when it comes to pikuach nefesh, even if 99 say take it and only one says don’t , you listen to the one. It’s so sad to see people so brainwashed, I guess out of fear, that they don’t even do their own research.

Brainwashed
Reply to  Right wing
October 5, 2021 3:27 am

The brainwashed are the large portion of Crown Heighters who are anti vax

Listen to the 1
Reply to  Right wing
October 6, 2021 2:52 pm

Exactly! Even if 1 says no!!

Instead of starting this conversation again though how about we do 1 more good act of kindness today and smile at everyone 😊

Have a great day dear community members and breathe and thank Hashem for everything!!

Is access to Regeneron easy in israel?
October 4, 2021 12:08 pm

Data has been showing regeneron should be given within the first 5 days of experiencing symptoms. Elderly or compromised people should therefore get the infusion right after experiencing symptoms even if the symptoms are not severe. Is access east in Israel? Do people know about this? There should be a very efficient system making it easily available as soon as a doctor suspects covid.

No.
Reply to  Is access to Regeneron easy in israel?
October 4, 2021 1:33 pm

Regeneron is not readily available, especially not in Israel at this time, it is also an expensive treatment and needs to be started early for it to work.

In any case, avoiding an infection is always preferable to getting infected and then trying to treat it.

Appalling anti vax stance in the community
October 4, 2021 12:58 pm

You can like Trump and still be pro vax. A lot of hard right people in the community don’t get that this is not a political issue. Vaccines are saving the world. There may be risks, but the risk of Covid fatality is KNOWN (my father died from it and no, not from anything else like treatment or lack thereof). That said, people who have the best kind of immunity drop having had Covid should not be forced to vaccinate because in that case the risk doesn’t balance out.

And that risk…
Reply to  Appalling anti vax stance in the community
October 4, 2021 2:31 pm

is somewhere around 0.2% for the population at large (higher only for those with comorbidities). The risks of the vaccine are as yet unknown, but there’s certainly enough examples of serious illness, even (r”l) deaths, to give pause and to not just carelessly assume that they’re “saving the world.”

Gee, maybe you should check
Reply to  Appalling anti vax stance in the community
October 4, 2021 3:47 pm

who made it a “political issue.” That would be the prominent Democrats who, when the vaccines were first announced a year ago, claimed that they’re bad and dangerous (because Orange Man Bad, you know). That suddenly they flipped 180 degrees and are putting it forward as the best thing ever (naturally without giving credit to Trump for Operation Warp Speed), indeed mandating it on pain of firing and so forth, must give one pause.

Again w the politics
Reply to  Gee, maybe you should check
October 5, 2021 3:29 am

This is not a political issue.

Hypocrite
Reply to  Appalling anti vax stance in the community
October 4, 2021 11:38 pm

All those anti democrats are very happy doing their “shtick” and “feinegeling” to get Medicaid , food stamps, section 8 etc. . All those benefits are only there because the Democrats want it. If Republicans had their way none of this cheating would go on.
It says on the Torah : don’t spit into the well you drank from. You get countless benefits only because the Democrats fight for it and vote for it.
Stop being a hypocrite: you want Republican’s values ? live like one.

regeneron helps first 10 days but better earlier
October 4, 2021 2:05 pm

I got it regeneron antibodies on day 8 and went from being on oxygen support to getting up and walking around after 24 hours

It never stops
October 4, 2021 2:23 pm

A father of 12, 43 years old, died a couple of days ago from Corona in Jerusalem. He was never vaccinated. This epitome of stupidity, shortsightedness and arrogance has left his family without a father. And now we’ll see multiple appeals to support them. It’s an avoidable tragedy.

Dying of Corona obviously looked like a better option than getting a couple of jabs. But from my own personal experience, getting vaxed then getting Corona is nothing worse than having a mild cold. It’s certainly better than being dead.

THINK OF YOUR FAMILIES! Get vaccinated!

Hashem runs the world
Reply to  It never stops
October 4, 2021 3:06 pm

If it was someones time to die, no vaccine would save them. Whatever happens its because it was meant to be. Dont make this vaccine an avodah zarah
Many died who took the vaccine as well

Keilim
Reply to  Hashem runs the world
October 4, 2021 3:35 pm

Excellent logic, we shouyldn’t be making Avoda Zara out of seatbelts either, or building codes, or speed limits, or helmets, or……

Hashem still wants us to make a Keli, he sent us an amazing Refua’ah in the form of a vaccine and it shows a complete lack of Hakaras Hatov to spit in His face and not take it!

Sure vaccinated people died of covid, no vaccine is 100% effective, that doesn’t chage the fact that more than 90% of current covid deaths are among unvaccinated people. There is no doubt that vaccines save lives, and a lot of them!

Get your facts straight
Reply to  Keilim
October 4, 2021 6:13 pm

More people are dying of covid since the vaccine came out. Most cases in israeli hospitals were those fully vaccinated with 2 doses, not unvaccinated. Then they started calling those with 2 shots who got covid, not fully vaccinated, as fully vaccinated means 3 shots. Before vaccines 2.5 million died of covid in a year. After the vaccines another 2.5 million died in 8 months
India wiped out covid there by giving everyone ivermectin, not thru vaccination

Well said!
Reply to  Get your facts straight
October 4, 2021 9:24 pm

We’re any of these people given ivermectin? It worked for my husband and daughter, and countless others! (Along with vitamins protocol, budesonide, steroids (anti inflammatory). Take the vaxx if you think that’s the only way! BUT tragically, many medical authorities are doing their utmost to make this treatment unknown, when it’s the greatest treatment out there, with no side effects! Ivermectin is also taken by many, to PREVENT Covid, without harm to our bodies. There are unknown dangers of the vaccine (and known ones), and no known dangers of ivermectin plus vitamins. The choice is yours. May Hashem keep us… Read more »

Did you even read this article?!
Reply to  Get your facts straight
October 5, 2021 3:34 am

These young Lubavitcher fatalities were of the unvaxxed.

You didnt follow the article links
Reply to  Did you even read this article?!
October 5, 2021 12:16 pm

These were not all young fatalites.
The woman was 90 yrs old
One 45 yr old man had a compromised immune system as he had a kidney transplant. He had to be on immuno supressive drugs
Follow the links! You didnt

For real?
Reply to  Hashem runs the world
October 5, 2021 3:32 am

This is an imbecilic argument, by which you should also drive drunk and not wear a seat belt bec if it’s your time to die…

Doctors refuse to treat covid patients.
Reply to  It never stops
October 4, 2021 4:06 pm

People die not because they are not vaccinated, but because they are not treated. Doctors make a crime and a violation of the Hippocratic Oath by refusing to treat covid patients, though there are very effective, cheap, and safe treatments, like ivermectin and the Zelenko protocol. Why are hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin banned? It is a crime against humanity.

The only post worth reading.
Reply to  Doctors refuse to treat covid patients.
October 5, 2021 12:59 am

This is the only reason people are dying.

You are right
Reply to  It never stops
October 6, 2021 10:26 pm

Thank you for standing up for sechel!
Listen to the rav, as is required by halacha.
Trump is not Torah.
(an independent voter).

How do we know these people weren’t vaccinated?
October 4, 2021 2:24 pm

How do you know they weren’t vaccinated if the medical establishments definition of not vaccinated is 2 weeks after the final dose, which is now the 3rd dose

There are
Reply to  How do we know these people weren’t vaccinated?
October 4, 2021 4:04 pm

There are plenty of cases reported, including 1 of the above, that the family claims was vaccinated and died anyway. Many neglect the findings of a study with over 250k covid patients that showed that the vaccinated are 7x more likely to contract the virus than those with antibodies. I am not vaccinated because I have antibodies. I poshut do not understand how this government was perfectly happy taking my plasma 15 months ago when they ran plasma drives and loads of frumme donated due to high antibody counts, and now they’re trying to force me to take a vaccine… Read more »

Were they healthy?
October 4, 2021 3:02 pm

We don’t know any underlying /other medical condition of these people, and what exactly causes their death.
Were they not vax? It’s 3 doses for all Israeli people, I believe they had at least 2… or they don’t?

We don’t keep any practical things – people who need to be quarantined are going freely everywhere;(…

You have a good point
Reply to  Were they healthy?
October 4, 2021 6:20 pm

One person who died was 90 yrs old so im sure there were underlying conditions
One person who died had a kidney transplant 10 yrs before so was on immuno suppresive drugs so their ability to fight disease was compromised

Facts, questions and explanations
October 4, 2021 3:49 pm

First and foremost many people are questioning the efficacy of THIS specific vaccine including many medical professionals. Number 1: If the vaccine creates immunity to the virus then why do you have to keep getting vaccinated every few months when other vaccines have never required that? Number 2: If it really immuned people why is it that over 90 percent of patients severely ill with the virus WERE VACCINATED?! Number 3: Many people have been sick or got infected following their vaccination-so how is it effective if in fact not only are they getting COVID but additional issues that have… Read more »

Yes everything you wrote is logical!
Reply to  Facts, questions and explanations
October 4, 2021 5:26 pm

However, most who take the vaccine are just brainwashed by the media and no matter what you write even if it is 1000% correct their minds will not change as they follow whatever the cultish media tells them to.

Oy Vey
Reply to  Facts, questions and explanations
October 4, 2021 5:30 pm

Your arguments are inane. But I can’t be bothered explaining why because intelligence can’t be transmitted via COL comments. You’re hopeless.

Well
Reply to  Oy Vey
October 4, 2021 7:36 pm

Perhaps intelligence can’t be transmitted via comments, but facts and answers can be. So rather than pretending that the questions shouldn’t even be asked, how about presenting some facts – if you have any, that is?

Inane?
Reply to  Well
October 7, 2021 9:45 pm

Tell that to the thousands of PhDs and MDs around the world whose “inane” opinions about this experimental drug therapy are being censored and banned due to the financial interests of drug companies and our current government.

Agree!
Reply to  Facts, questions and explanations
October 4, 2021 6:06 pm

100%!
I’ve personally seen a video of a Dr responding to a whole bunch of qs regarding the vaccine. When it got to the q “are there long term effects” his answer was clearly I DON’T KNOW, THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING for it is very recent and hasn’t passed enough time to prove it!!
Please think what you’re doing with your lives!!
I do have a link if the video which was meant to be published

Understanding Statistics
October 4, 2021 5:11 pm

1.If 100 % of the people are unvaccinated and 50 people get Covid 100 % of the ppl who got covid were unvaccinated . Yet….
2. If 80% of the people are vaccinated and now if even only 10 people get Covid ( 40 less than before , it got better) but it’s also possible that of those 10 ppl who are coming from the majority ( from the 80%) 7 were breakthrough cases so statistics would say that 70% of cases are from vaccinated people . Even though the total number of ppl getting COVID was now reduced .

Zelenko method is garbage
Reply to  Understanding Statistics
October 4, 2021 8:54 pm

Most Lubavitchers don’t have the math skills to understand your correct explanation.

Why so many in Chabad say the Poskim and Rabbonim are all wrong baffles me.

Remember
October 4, 2021 7:03 pm

To respect another for their choices. No doubt it’s a massive decision. Some ppl can’t can’t vaccinated.. medically. And there is only one GD who decides who will live and who will not. Again, respect each other for their views even if you disagree (or know they are wrong)

Life is full of confusing facts

Let’s not create more death by fighting or fear

No words
October 4, 2021 10:36 pm

I have seen a lot but as much as I try I can’t begin to understand how my community became anti vaccination, It’s not complex math. This will be ultimately very unstable for the future of our community. I understand the black and Hispanic and Deep South and Arab communities but not ours the conspiracy is so deep and so illogical baffles me every day.

Really simple, actually
Reply to  No words
October 4, 2021 11:40 pm

First of all, let’s be clear: your community is not “anti vaccination,” it’s against _this particular_ one. There is a vast difference between diseases that had mortality rates in the double digits, in all age groups, and one where the rate is 0.2% overall, and higher only for people with comorbidities. To pretend that this is being “anti vaccination” is itself a lie. Second, let’s look at some history from that far-off time of a year ago, when the vaccines were first announced, and when Trump was still in office. At that time various Democrat officials (including Pelosi, Harris, etc.)… Read more »

Our community almost all was sick
Reply to  No words
October 5, 2021 1:42 am

Almost all people in Ch were sick, did they check their natural immunity of antibodies? Is there anyone who keeps track of it? After Sukkos I believe many got sick second or more times, did they check the antibodies? Did they quarantine? We have it again and again because people are not doing strict quarantine or people just hide it…. Why? Who knows … Would be interesting to know if someone who contracted it 2nd or more times what is your life now? How do u feel? Do u have natural antibodies or not? If not – we all need… Read more »

Who is conspiring, do you think?
Reply to  No words
October 5, 2021 3:32 am

And what are they conspiring to do?

Agreed but...
Reply to  No words
October 5, 2021 3:42 am

I don’t fully understand why so many anti vaxxers amongst us. Hesitancy, yes. But then the logic of the fatal possibility w Covid should win out. That they don’t is probably attributable to KGB trauma in a population that is heavily of Russian descent

Come On People... ENOUGH!
October 5, 2021 8:04 am

Lets please stop impressing readers about how much we think we know about the virus and vaccinations . Everyone is an expert. Really??.

The bottom line is that many are dying and as a result many children are being left orphaned and wives being left widows.

Stop the selfish big shot macho posturing and put on your big boy pants – GET VACCINATED NOW !!!

We have a choice – vaccine now or intubate later !

Tough choice ? I think not!

Well said!
Reply to  Come On People... ENOUGH!
October 5, 2021 11:17 am

…and entertainingly presented as well. Shkoyach.

What about the israel bochurim quarantined here
Reply to  Come On People... ENOUGH!
October 5, 2021 12:46 pm

People in israel all ran to get 2 shots and many ended up dying of covid more than the unvaccinated. Now they say 3 shots but really dont know. They admit now that vaccinated can get mild cases and spread covid, while some died in israel after 3 doses Do you know that a hotel set up for tishrei bochurim on montgomery street had to be quarantined due to covid? These bochurim came after taking 2 doses of vaccine since it was required in israel, and yet they got covid. Taking the vaccine doesnt guarantee anything People have a right… Read more »

Not true
Reply to  What about the israel bochurim quarantined here
October 5, 2021 10:09 pm

Stop embarrassing yourselves repeating hearsay. The OP is right people need to grow up already. Enough.

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