By COLlive reporter
Doheny Kosher Meats might be under new ownership, but the kashrus industry is still reeling over the smuggling of uncertified meats into the store in Los Angeles.
And at least one kashrus professional says the scandal could have been prevented.
Rabbi Don Yoel Levy, CEO of the OK Kosher Certification, says that innovative suggestions he made back in 2007 would have tightened the way food establishments are monitored.
“In an article I wrote in 2007, I advocated for much more than a mashgiach temidi,” he said in a recent interview with Ami Magazine, referring to a permanent kashrus supervisor.
“Obviously, you need a mashgiach who is reliable, and someone should be above the mashgiach, making sure he is doing his job. We have a mashgiach on the mashgiach, someone to whom he has to send reports and so on,” he said.
Another suggestion Rabbi Levy said he made was a ‘track and trace’ system used by distribution and package delivery companies to record the arrival or departure of items and recording their location and the status.
“If you order something in the mail, your package is tracked,” he says. “There’s no reason why the kashrus organization shouldn’t get together and utilize this technology to track meat. The certifying agency should know how much meat they will find and have a record of each piece and where it is going.”
The tracking concept can he used another way, he said. If a food establishment indeed has a mashgiach tamidi, that person can be in charge of tracking the meat. “A mashgiach shouldn’t just be sitting in his office, reading a sefer. He should be working,” he said.
“Every meat store has a barcode system. When you go into a hardware store, they know how many screws went off the shelf, how many hammers, and they know when they have to buy new ones. Every store has a cash register. Why shouldn’t the mashgiach be part of that system?”
“This was suggested in 2007. It is now 2013. Obviously, no one found it important enough. I said then that if we don’t do this, it will happen again. And till today, there are still meat establishments that don’t even have a mashgiach temidi.”
Rabbi Levy said that the key to its success must be its full implementation by all major kashrus agencies, noting that if only one introduces measures that seem expensive or complicated, establishments can simply opt for hechsherim with lower standards.
He cited a food operator in Florida who recently lost the OK certification by refusing to follow the rules. “The hashgacha that took over removed the mashgiach temidi we had there,” he said. “Remember, the case in Monsey and the case in Flatbush involved frum owners.”
The OK, for example, sends out rabbinic coordinators to pay random visits to stores to make sure the mashgiach is present. “There should also be a camera system. Why wasn’t there one in the store [of Doheny Meats]?” he wonders.
“Unfortunately, all the kosher consumer can do is demand that the supervisory agencies implement these improvements. Regrettably, it’s the kosher consumer who suffers. They are the ones being fed meat from dubious sources at best.”
Ami Magazine pointed out that the story of Doheny Kosher Meats is a sign that the lessons of past scandals have yet to be learned.
I’ve worked as a mashgiach in FL and in CA.
In South Florida they do things right.
To answer the question how much it will cost. I believe sincerely that it will cost much less then going to hell for eating tarfus.
When was the last time you argued sales tax?
how would you track the meat once it is cut-up in the butcher room? Not so simple to track once you are taking pieces apart, grinding meat etc. What about store and caterer kitchens?
The problem lies with the mashgichim who are there but sleeping/learning/texting/watching movies on their phone etc. If the mashgiach is not aware then a “non tracked” box of product can be cooked, ground or cut up into a retail package and noone would know. All the while having a huge OK stamp on the package…
Kedassia in London, UK is installing such a system at the moment and don’t think it cost as much as #18 is implying.
They are also getting their Restaurants, bakeries to have CCTV with remote access.
I work in the IT sector, and know first hand how to implement this type of tracking system. A typical install can be from 100k – 1m. Its not even on the radar for companies that gross less then 50m. Nevertheless as a frum yid, I would much rather purchase from a reliable local shochet (like with a farm) then a big conglomerate meet factory that ships nationwide….even worldwide……
In every system there will be holes, the bigger the system the more holes there will be, and more room to cheat the system no matter how sophisticated it is.
The lettuce at douheny were looked over and nakie m’chashash telaim
#13, they had mashgichey temidi, i went in once and was concerned there was no mashgiach and the place was hefker, i contacted the OK who replied to me asking questions.
The OK dropped the hechsher for a few reasons including a offsite catered even that did not have a mashgiach
you’re right about better quality mashgichim but that would also cost more money. here in LA there are mashgichim for the the big kosher agencies that are not shomer shabbos.they work in restaurants and kosher food production facilities.apparently it’s not that hard to get these jobs and lots of people want them because the job doesn’t involve a lot of real work.
The cost of the machine and the scan could easily be absorbed by the increased sales.
sounds good but if the OK truly believes that is the way to assure better supervision of Kashrut, why didn’t they insist on that system before taking on a new client?
It easier to be a monday quaterback. Instead of selling yourself and your organzation be more concern of the standard you represent. yerei shamayim.
,with a special guaranty of package tracking certainty…wouldn’t that create the need in the marketplace for that?
More Mashgichim means more money for kashrus agencies and with these tight rules the price of kosher meat will go even higher causing even more people not to keep kosher.
How about doing background checks on the mashgichim that are hired? its not about how many mashgichim you have, its about the quality. Kashrus agencies should do a better job hiring honest mashgichim.
Where would the OK implement this? I don’t think it has such certifications (do you know of any?). And as it says in the article, if just the OK did this, everyone would go to others that don’t. The CHK, the OU, etc.
A good question, but in light of “frum” people scamming the kosher consumer, do we have a choice? Something has to be done.
But will never be implemented
So why hasn’t the OK implemented this? If they suggested it in 2007, why has 6 years passed, and the OK has still not implemented it?
I don’t get it. You are already paying for kosher meat far more than what treifeh meat costs… May as well do it right and make it be worth something.
Besides, I don’t think it needs to make the meat more expensive.
How much would this increase the cost of kosher meat?
It’s time for OK to come to Los Angeles
Rabbi levy and the ok are %100 right