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OK Kosher Supervision's Rabbi Don Yoel Levy says his suggestion from 2007 could have prevented the Doheny Meats scandal. Full Story

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Mashgiach in L.A.
May 5, 2013 8:49 pm

I’ve worked as a mashgiach in FL and in CA.

In South Florida they do things right.

Cost
May 2, 2013 11:07 pm

To answer the question how much it will cost. I believe sincerely that it will cost much less then going to hell for eating tarfus.

When was the last time you argued sales tax?

problem
May 2, 2013 7:25 pm

how would you track the meat once it is cut-up in the butcher room? Not so simple to track once you are taking pieces apart, grinding meat etc. What about store and caterer kitchens?

The problem lies with the mashgichim who are there but sleeping/learning/texting/watching movies on their phone etc. If the mashgiach is not aware then a “non tracked” box of product can be cooked, ground or cut up into a retail package and noone would know. All the while having a huge OK stamp on the package…

London
May 2, 2013 5:37 pm

Kedassia in London, UK is installing such a system at the moment and don’t think it cost as much as #18 is implying.
They are also getting their Restaurants, bakeries to have CCTV with remote access.

Leibel
May 2, 2013 2:19 pm

I work in the IT sector, and know first hand how to implement this type of tracking system. A typical install can be from 100k – 1m. Its not even on the radar for companies that gross less then 50m. Nevertheless as a frum yid, I would much rather purchase from a reliable local shochet (like with a farm) then a big conglomerate meet factory that ships nationwide….even worldwide……
In every system there will be holes, the bigger the system the more holes there will be, and more room to cheat the system no matter how sophisticated it is.

Not to worry
May 2, 2013 2:12 pm

The lettuce at douheny were looked over and nakie m’chashash telaim

In the know on miami
May 2, 2013 1:22 pm

#13, they had mashgichey temidi, i went in once and was concerned there was no mashgiach and the place was hefker, i contacted the OK who replied to me asking questions.

The OK dropped the hechsher for a few reasons including a offsite catered even that did not have a mashgiach

to #10
May 2, 2013 12:23 pm

you’re right about better quality mashgichim but that would also cost more money. here in LA there are mashgichim for the the big kosher agencies that are not shomer shabbos.they work in restaurants and kosher food production facilities.apparently it’s not that hard to get these jobs and lots of people want them because the job doesn’t involve a lot of real work.

Tracked meat is a leg up for the restaurant or store.
May 2, 2013 12:02 pm

The cost of the machine and the scan could easily be absorbed by the increased sales.

Not convinced in Miami
May 2, 2013 12:01 pm

sounds good but if the OK truly believes that is the way to assure better supervision of Kashrut, why didn’t they insist on that system before taking on a new client?

Monday Quaterback
May 2, 2013 11:12 am

It easier to be a monday quaterback. Instead of selling yourself and your organzation be more concern of the standard you represent. yerei shamayim.

IIf the OK or the OU began using the system
May 2, 2013 10:49 am

,with a special guaranty of package tracking certainty…wouldn’t that create the need in the marketplace for that?

Its about the quality:
May 2, 2013 10:19 am

More Mashgichim means more money for kashrus agencies and with these tight rules the price of kosher meat will go even higher causing even more people not to keep kosher.

How about doing background checks on the mashgichim that are hired? its not about how many mashgichim you have, its about the quality. Kashrus agencies should do a better job hiring honest mashgichim.

To #6
May 2, 2013 9:34 am

Where would the OK implement this? I don’t think it has such certifications (do you know of any?). And as it says in the article, if just the OK did this, everyone would go to others that don’t. The CHK, the OU, etc.

To #3
May 2, 2013 9:07 am

A good question, but in light of “frum” people scamming the kosher consumer, do we have a choice? Something has to be done.

Good idea
May 2, 2013 7:18 am

But will never be implemented

So why hasn't the OK implemented this?
May 2, 2013 6:28 am

So why hasn’t the OK implemented this? If they suggested it in 2007, why has 6 years passed, and the OK has still not implemented it?

To Hershel (number 3)
May 2, 2013 5:23 am

I don’t get it. You are already paying for kosher meat far more than what treifeh meat costs… May as well do it right and make it be worth something.

Besides, I don’t think it needs to make the meat more expensive.

100 percent right
May 2, 2013 3:51 am
Hershel
May 2, 2013 12:47 am

How much would this increase the cost of kosher meat?

ok come to Los Angeles
May 2, 2013 12:45 am

It’s time for OK to come to Los Angeles

I agree
May 2, 2013 12:16 am

Rabbi levy and the ok are %100 right

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