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Vaad Hakohol: “Go Out of Your Home This Shabbos Afternoon”

In response to the reports of a pro-Hamas rally this Shabbos near Crown Heights, the Vaad Hakohol has issued a call to all shuls of Crown Heights to conduct regular Mincha services at the unified time of 5 pm. "Let the world know we are vigilant, confident and proud of our heritage and our community," said CHJCC Chairman Zaki Tamir. Full Story

Sheya Mendlowitz, 61, OBM

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Chaim
October 27, 2023 11:01 am

THIS is the correct response.
Personally I will be visiting the Hamas protest with an Israeli flag.

Reminder
Reply to  Chaim
October 27, 2023 11:17 am

Careful not to carry on Shabbos

I AM PROGRESSIVE
Reply to  Reminder
October 27, 2023 11:40 am

why the assumption that a fine jew would desecrate the shabbos? he obviously means a pin on his lapel.

Tomim
Reply to  I AM PROGRESSIVE
October 27, 2023 12:14 pm

No, s/he can wear the Israeli flag, wrapped around the body as a large scarf or poncho

Tzitzit?
Reply to  Tomim
October 27, 2023 1:41 pm

Does it require tzitzit?

Not sure
Reply to  Chaim
October 27, 2023 11:30 am

I think you’re feeding into their agenda
אינהו בדידהו ואנן בדידן

Anonymous
Reply to  Chaim
October 27, 2023 11:35 am

When you roll with mud you get dirty.
Don’t give the רע the attention they seek.
Better spend your time among holiness and purity, actually involved in bringing more good into this world through positive, productive action: like learn something extra, engage in intentional davening, help someone out, say some more tehillim. That will annul the spiritual powers that the other side relies on for strength. May we experience miracles and wonders in peace and tranquility.

please dont
Reply to  Chaim
October 27, 2023 12:56 pm

please dont do that. we need bodies in the hood

Mendel
Reply to  Chaim
October 27, 2023 1:26 pm

A Chosid of the Rebbe with an Israeli Flag?!!

Schmerel
Reply to  Chaim
October 27, 2023 2:38 pm

Please don’t. You won’t change anyone’s mind and will only enrage the participants. For the sake of what?

To Chaim
October 27, 2023 11:10 am

I am not from the area and not familiar but would advise that you double check where the eiruv is so that there is no Chilul shabboss involved.

Trying to stir
Reply to  To Chaim
October 28, 2023 8:03 am

there is no kosher eruv in crown heights (i think)
FULL STOP

Yes, there is
Reply to  Trying to stir
October 29, 2023 12:59 am

Whether you like it or not.

The eiruv includes the whole Brooklyn
Reply to  To Chaim
October 29, 2023 12:58 am

There is an eiruv which is kosher limhadrin min hamehadrin, lechol hadeios, for the whole Brooklyn. It doesn’t matter whether the CH rabbonim like it or don’t like it, the fact is that it is there. They have no authority to pretend it doesn’t exist, or to declare it possul just because they weren’t consulted. (In addition the museum is within the Park Slope eiruv, which is also kosher lechol hadeios; but that one does not extend to Crown Heights, so before the Brooklyn eiruv went up those who are machmir like the Rambam, as the Alter Rebbe recommends, could… Read more »

Our Hishdadlus
October 27, 2023 11:21 am

I would recommend those that can get trained and licensed to carry a gun, in general during times like this. We can not fully rely on the police. A lot of Shluchim are now armed. Crown heights should not be different!

Guns
Reply to  Our Hishdadlus
October 27, 2023 1:00 pm

The shluchim with guns in red states it’s a good thing because self defense still exists there, in New York I don’t think it’s worth it to carry a gun because you could get life in prison for trying to defend yourself

In general
Reply to  Our Hishdadlus
October 27, 2023 1:43 pm

In general, not just “times like this.”
Lo aleinu, trouble can strike at any place or any time.
Carry all the time and of course get in person training and practice.

I'm a liberal
Reply to  Our Hishdadlus
October 29, 2023 4:39 am

And I can’t believe I agree with you.
But I do.
They’re coming after us.
“Every Jew
A 22!”
-Meir Kahana

How about upping the age to 75?
October 27, 2023 11:28 am

Max age of “60” seems unduly cautious, IMO.

the Torah set that age range
Reply to  How about upping the age to 75?
October 27, 2023 1:00 pm

20-60 is the age of draft in the Torah

Are you sure?
October 27, 2023 11:42 am

Isn’t it dangerous? These people can be violent.Some simply do not value our life? To me it seems reckless to walk our children right past them and protend like thete is no physical threat.

Daniel Springer(@dani)
Reply to  Are you sure?
October 27, 2023 12:39 pm

20-60 is not children

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
Reply to  Are you sure?
October 27, 2023 1:06 pm

We are in dangerous times. The Rebbe is with us, and Hashem is watching over us! Our “cousins” are coming for us, and we will erase their memory like that of Amalek, Greece, Rome, Spain-inquisition, Nazi-Germany, and every other temporary power. Hamas desecrates the name of Hashem with their actions, we will bring glory to Hashem’s name when we destroy our enemies. together. protect not provoke.

We love
October 27, 2023 12:10 pm

The Vaad Hakol!!!

rebbe on zionism
October 27, 2023 12:28 pm

no israeli flag just toirah and tefila and begging for moshiach

There is no eiruv n Crown Heights.
October 27, 2023 12:33 pm

This is not a time to be flippant about chilul Shabbos chas veshalom.

Brooklyn eruv
Reply to  There is no eiruv n Crown Heights.
October 28, 2023 11:26 pm

Lastt time i checked crown heights is part of Brooklyn and is included by the Brooklyn eruv

Agree!
October 27, 2023 12:35 pm

100%! Careful but No hiding away in our homes. Jews are free people, we are not imprisoned with hate like they are.

HETER TO CARRY WEAPON SHABIS WITH A SHINUY
October 27, 2023 12:52 pm

B’H. Rabbi Osdoba issued a ruling today concerning the Sakkana considered for this shabis, allowing the carrying of a weapon this shabis. When carrying the weapon it should be carried with a shinuy. when it is being used if necessary, obviously, it should be handled in the most regular and safe way. the contingency of employing a shinuy is for the carrying in R’HaR, not for the use of the weapon. Unrelated to the heter, please use discretion when considering the holding or using any type of weapon, adults only, and all precautions should be taken to increase safety and… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  HETER TO CARRY WEAPON SHABIS WITH A SHINUY
October 27, 2023 1:08 pm

Thank you very much Zaki 👍
You’re a tzaddik for stepping up in this time of need!
Please inform us how to go about procuring a gun and how to get good training.
In addition, where can we get pepper spray?
Tx

Not so fast
Reply to  Anonymous
October 27, 2023 1:59 pm

How much time do you have? In NY you can’t just go buy a gun…unless you’re a crook. Everyone else has to fill out forms, get interviewed, etc., etc.

THIS IS BOGUS
Reply to  HETER TO CARRY WEAPON SHABIS WITH A SHINUY
October 27, 2023 2:00 pm

LIES from likely someone outside our community wishing us harm.

Rabbi Braun just released statement that no one makes statements on behalf of the beis din, and that there is NO heter to carry a weapon this shabbos even with a shinui. Or anything else for that matter as the eiruv is halachically nonexistent.

Listen to R Brauns statement yourself circulating on Whatsapp

Not true
Reply to  HETER TO CARRY WEAPON SHABIS WITH A SHINUY
October 27, 2023 2:17 pm

Released a statement to the opposite. Not allowed to carry a weapon even with a shinuy .

Really?
Reply to  HETER TO CARRY WEAPON SHABIS WITH A SHINUY
October 27, 2023 2:49 pm

Blatant lie! Quite opposite the beis din said no carrying weapons this shabbos

Please Take Zaki’s Post Done
October 27, 2023 1:20 pm

This is a disservice and contradicts the official message of the Vaad and Chanina. There is no specific threat and the police are ready and able to handle any eventuality. If people do come to our community to do violence, you don’t need a heter.

Violence
Reply to  Please Take Zaki’s Post Done
October 27, 2023 2:00 pm

How is carrying a weapon for self defense considered violence?

Anonymous
Reply to  Please Take Zaki’s Post Done
October 27, 2023 3:29 pm

Different people can have different opinions.
We don’t censor in a free country.
And Zaki is actually facing reality of the mortal danger we’re currently facing. Lo aleinu

Not censorship
Reply to  Anonymous
October 28, 2023 8:07 am

Zakis message is clearly a mistake or someone pretending to be him. The idea is to take it down to prevent any chilul shabbos as the Beis din said no weapons to be carried.

i think

Don’t look for trouble…
October 27, 2023 1:46 pm

We can’t stop living our lives… but it is irresponsible to look for trouble. Many people protesting and rallying for Palestine. Are violent and look for trouble. There have been several attacks on Jewish people – an increase compared to in the past – since the war in Israel has started.

Finally!
October 27, 2023 1:54 pm

This is the correct response! Thank you!

Yidden will not be cowards any longer! We will follow the Torah directive and defend ourselves! Never again is NOW.

Good Shabbos!

More cops on the street
Reply to  Finally!
October 29, 2023 6:41 pm

Thats what got us here.

I want to know
October 27, 2023 3:35 pm

Why I don’t see more police in crown heights?? 2 police officers in front of 770 is a joke!
Please whoever has influence, on the police department. Or the mayors office. Ask for a serious police presents.

More cops on the street
Reply to  I want to know
October 29, 2023 6:41 pm

You gonna pay for it. Tax payers dollars.

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