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Tznius Lecture: Now Online
EXCLUSIVE: A speech last week on modesty of women and girls by Rabbi Aharon Dovid Gancz in Crown Heights drew large attention. Over 50 comments were submitted to COLlive, making the hot-button issue a topic of community discussion. COLlive now presents a recording of the shiur in its entirety. Audio
EXCLUSIVE: A speech last week on modesty of women and girls by Rabbi Aharon Dovid Gancz in Crown Heights drew large attention. Over 50 comments were submitted to COLlive, making the hot-button issue a topic of community discussion. COLlive now presents a recording of the shiur in its entirety. Audio
whata read!!
https://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=3132
GREAT STUF
this was found on collive maybe two weeks ago!!
click on THIS link!!!!! (gave me chillz)
collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=3132
of course i am chabad! although i do pride myself on not falling to the lowliness that some who call themselves chabad do…. What exactly do you mean by a conflict between minhag bais harav and bakasha nafshis in this situation? (if your grammer were better, i might have understood it more clearly). It seemed to me that you are implying that minhag bais harav was not to wear a sheitel – as one might THINK based on looking at the picture of the Rebbetzin without any prior knowledge, while the Rebbe’s bakasha nafshis and “overt campaign” are all out… Read more »
what exactly is really bothering u??!!
do you not like, free and open exchange!
where you cannot promulgate your anti-tznius agenda?!
…where u cannot get away with attempting to TARNISH the Rebbetzen a”h
you gotto either accept the truth or let it hurt!! but don’t try to re-invent or justify your perverse attraction to the lowest kind of self denigration!!!! i feel really bad for ppl like yourself who are conflicted by their lowly issues and a clever brain subservient to the heart!
2 years ago i was in a melave malka and rabai krinsky was speaking to a group of visitor women.
we had the oportunity to ask him question regarding his memorys w- thw rebbetzin, and one lady asked him if the rebbetzin was wearing a sheitel under the hat, in the famous photo ,and he look at her very serios and said OF COURSE SHE WAS WEARING A SHEITEL!!
One things certain. When people like Rabbi Ganz, who’s chassidus and families dress code ARE consistent, then people listen. People are inspired by real chassidishe yidden!
He Ment Chabad Chasidus Not Chabad Chasidim vd”l
#39 for your info I am interested in finding out more about this and when people think there’s a conspiracy, I think those who are so paranoid need more medication.maybe you!What the heck does Satmar have to do with this?Get detoxed from other groups if they effect you that much!!
thank you rabbi gancz perfect shiur!
be aware
i have a strong intuition that a few satmar pranks are writing some of this comments for alterior reasons (self explenetory) please don’t let yourself be sucked in
HATZLUCHO
unfurtunetlly this is a very sad fact in Lubavitch in general and especially in CH, As someone who was Lubavitch for many years but left watching the detriation spiraling downward of this great place (aldo i still learn chabad all the time and practice the minhagim) it trully hurts to observe the feedback of a lot of the surfers WHY such resistance to constructive criticism isn’t it time to start realizing how far we went and how much demage it has done 1) to our own future 2) chilul shem lubavitch 3) how many people were turned away from chasidus… Read more »
since it affects the children in the neighborhood! and it lowers the MORAL, and DIGNITY of C.H. in general! also it evidently Hurts sooo many,.. i get your point re “not my own private business” i never really had the implications (my personal dress) spelled out soo clearly! honestly Thank U i DO consider myself not that into Halacha etc. yet i dont consider my self, SELFISH or HATEFUL or INCONSIDERATE to sooo many, if not for this forum, i’d honestly be affending many, w/o wanting to! i know i’m not untypical, i have a best friend who would be… Read more »
Can u explain what you are talking about?Why is Chabad Chass. higher than polish Chass? In what way?What is the difference to those of us who do not know?I have been to Boro Park and yes, their tznius is on a more stringent one than what I saw on Kingston. Just the way they are covered and carry themselves.So why are you on a higher level than them?Is is about who is higher? Explain yourselves so we, the ones who are ignorant, can understand.
unfortuanetly the buttons got dirty again we have to pollish a little better (not mentioning un tznius button but untzniys ….)and chabad chsidos his higher than poilishe chasidus B H but chabad his not higher than halacha chabad has enforce halacha in C H to be pushete erlacha yiden and or ortodox jews Mosiach now
Regardless of Rabbi Ganz’s few examples, the fact is that the vast majority of the Rebbe’s talks was about Chabad being higher than the Poilishe Chasidum. The Poilishe are busy telling their wives to close the buttons. We are more elevated. We polish the buttons for the Geulla. When you combine that together with, what young girls see, when they compare the Rebbitzen’s pictures to pictures of Poilishe Rebbitzins, they clearly come to the conclusion that we do not have to follow the poilishe Rebbitzins, to be completely covered or not to have red nail polish, we are higher than… Read more »
I do see your point.I am not saying that holochos are not being violated.Yes they do violate them.I understand that.I am pointing out that the other groups-the highly modern who live elsewhere do not seem to follow holocho.I am not saying it is right.But they don’t mind and their husbands don’t seem to mind for whatever reason.They do not live in chassidic areas either.But what can you do?You cannot go shouting in someone else’s yard about how they do their backyards.I am getting the picture better Re: the ship with a hole.I see it is very important to those who… Read more »
are you chabad??
the abc’s of your discussion is unfounded!
the concept of Beis Rebbi! has always meant somthing!
to us, casidim, to choose minhag beis Rebbi over clear direct Bakasha Nafshis?!
what are you suggesting,
you sound clever, but simply lacking some basic knowledge of Hashkafa and chasidus chabad!
when you see an apparent conflict between “minhag beis rebbi” and an overt camapign by the rebbeh!…
you entire focus is a whole lot of chatter, but not consequential or reliant to the Bakasha nafshis of how we chasidim behave, especially if we wish to attract the rebbe’s brachos!!
Sorry, one more thing I meant to include in my last comment- you asked about general sheitel wearing not being prevalent before the Rebbe made a big deal of it. I myself am not married yet, and as such, don’t claim to know a great deal about the background of sheitels, but what I can tell you is this – whether it was the custom then or not, we can be assured that our Rebbetzin, who was the epitome of tznius in every aspect, would defiinitely be most stringent in this too. I did not want to post this earlier,… Read more »
What I posted earlier regarding the Rebbetzin’s sheitel is, as I stated before, to the best of my knowledge. Meaning, I do not claim to know first hand facts about people who lived before I was born. Rather, what I posted was based on what I recall hearing at either a farbrengen or shiur. It is worth looking into, by asking those who were close to the Rebbetzin, to verify it. Your question was valid, and it’s good that you are interested in knowing the truth, not just simply getting by, based on hurtful comments to others. However, it is… Read more »
you write that the way they choose to dress is their own bussiness, and doesn’t concern anyone else in the community, my non-jewish step cousin dresses modestly to the (best of her understanding) when she visits me in CH, out of respect for the people who live in this community!! re ur own private bussiness, driling a hole in your own cabin on a ship (which u share with a 1000 other ppl) is far from ur own private business, and absolutely is very much a legitimate concern to all parties on the ship, which will sink!! and only narcissistic… Read more »
do you really mean what you just wrote! #1) simply calling yourself modern orthodox, doesent automatically entitle you to a free pass, to violate “undisputed” halachos!! no posek or Rav in the world would claim any heter for expossing knees and up, elbows, hair, etc, your comments are more in line with liberalism than anything based in jewish law! some laws are open for different communities, but the core basics of Halachos of tznius, is simply universal, and dosent vary from jew to jew, (minor customs yeh, but not the law!!!) no rabbi would say, “oh if you call yourself… Read more »
I agree with you 100%!!
And R”L means Rachmono Litzlan
what does this stand for?
people with vitriol call themselves chabad- read with some glasses on. You have a problem with “modern”? Maybe they have a problem with you too- read who is making the name-calling.Can you read? There are those who choose to be identified as the “modern orthodox”. They are not chassidic and therefore do not follow your criteria of tznius.If you have issues with that concept, you do not need to affiliate with them at all nor be the ones to dictate how they must live.Are they telling you how to live?They are not chassidim- period.you can be critical of your own… Read more »
1000% on the$$
true, self evident and sad!
how do we help these young women who suffer from “self image issues” and R”L male-attention issues!
its not their fault! they are suffering w/o willing to admit it!
how do we mainstream, counseling or at least a good-wise mashpia?
wow! soo much defensiveness, and vitriol spewing forth from the “modern” types, all whikle they acuse the rest of us of being devissive and namecalling,
i read all the comments, most pro tznius, are rational and thoughtful, making sound arguments,
while,
the anti… sound angry, defensive, like a charlatan whose cover was blown, and true bitter colors exposed!
i make my observations as an outsider, not chabad nor religious!
Thank you for at least answering my question without fanfare and accusing me of being disrespectful.I mean it. I personally never heard anything and I do not live there.I do not appreciate the hurtful comments I received for asking something that others asked before without response.Is your information a fact? I understand that years back it was not something readily practiced until the Rebbe made more of an issue.Is this correct?(meaning a sheitel)
To the one who asked the question about the Rebbetzin’s hat, it is a question that has been asked, and answered. To the best of my knowledge, the Rebbetzin had a sheitel custom-made to fit her head, kind of like a cap, and she wore the pretty hat on top of it, that you’ve seen in the famous picture. Now back to the issue at hand, the recordings of the lecture posted here are excellent, and leave me wanting to hear more. Is it possible that the rest of the lecture could be posted online as well, or at least… Read more »
IF chabad is becoming mordern orthodox or semi reform R L
With no respect for halacha and no red lines you wont have to makarev yiden to yidishket you will be makarev reform to reform
Listen a nd enjoy!
and who are you? the big 100% chosid who is without sin too? wow- so impressive. and oh noooo-the reform-the real monsters.well stay away from them and stop trying to mikarv them if they are monsters.and don’t ask or accept their donations either!!!!!!
we need some shlucus to be mekarev to yidishkeit and tznius and stand on kinkston like we do in manhaton and give out flyers abaut halachas of tznius and make real ball thuvas moshiach now
Yes, you are a perfect example of what I was trying to say.And modern orthodox are the toxins of Jewry????You all jumped on me when I see how you feel about the Satmar, the modern orthodox,the snags- SHALL I GO ON? and then I was being disrespectful to the Rebbetzin?ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU ARE DISRESPECTFUL to your fellow Jews and then try and pull the Rebbe’s teachings into it.The Rebbe would never condone or appreciate your own ugliness so stop with the tznius only.Look at your own ugliness against your fellow Jews and don’t tell me I was disrespectful because… Read more »
Thank you Rabbi ganz
you are 100 % right modern orthodox semi reform is the right word
Would someone take a look at how condescending many of these comments are? People downgrading others, other groups and then themselves too?Instead of looking at all the positves that go on in Crown Heights, it all points to the disasters and the gloom and of course the women are to blame. They are at fault for the children, the household and maybe even global warming.Who knows?yes, tznius may be a big problem but just the way people write in-negativity upon negativity.You think anyone is getting a spiritual uplift from all this?Read again.You can see for yourself what the answer is.
crown hights is becoming more and more modern orthodox
or semi reform we need to wake up thank you rabbi ganz
This Rabbi is verygood. Anyone knows where I can get more of his stuff?
Calm down!! First of all, no one is disrespecting the Rebetzin but it is a question that has been asked only because of people who saw the photo and there is no need for the hysteria here!A question doesn’t equal disrespect and you should be able to answer it without calling anyone stupid. No one is saying anything about the rebbe and his stance on tznius either but the point was that many women live in C.H. and are not necessarily Chabad and therefore do not exactly follow tznius on any level.Some are visitors and some are not Chassidic and… Read more »
You are correct. It’s funny though as many of these girls have tons of friends, and you would never think from looking at them, that they have shattered self esteem.
Instead of taking care of the ppl outside lub. as you say..I think it’s time to take care of you.
Doesn’t seem like you talk out our a lub. mouth…since ur comment depicts total ignorance. Maybe ask ur mammy for the answer before u let the whole world know what u think. Sometimes it’s just better to stay quiet rather than reveal stupidity.
yup agree thousand percent!!! these soo called
“tznius-challenged” are nothing more than bratty selfish inconsiderate snobs, devoid of any respect for their own body, or the neighborhood they live in, shame on you all! i’m not even a chabatzker! yet i feel the betrayal that the self respecting women must feel!!
how dare you be so cold blooded! shame on you!
(you dont have any respect for your Rebbe’s wishes either!)
you are missing one obvious factor! namely that as chasidim we trust the REBBE’s words as 100% sooner or latter all (scientists and DRs who ever) disagreed with the Rebbeh were always proven wrong! with the Rebbe’s track record, why would any mother risk depriving her entire family (children) of all the promises and fortune the Rebbeh guaranteed to those who go out on ms”n for tznius! why would a mother: a) doubt the Rebbeh b) deny her family all the brachos, c) disgrace her dignity d) shame the name of chabad e) hurt and offend soo many in the… Read more »
I’ve been to CH.What is the hysteria about?!It didn’t look so bad to me- maybe many of those women are not even Lub. so why is everyone in such an uproar? I’ve seen pictures of the Rebetzin and I daresay that it doesn’t look like a sheital underneath the hat- is this a pink elephant that no one seems to ever talk about?How come no one ever mentions or explains this to people outside of Lub. who is puzzled by this famous photo.
the real problem is young women with deplorable self image issues its got nothing at all todo with KNOWING the halachos its got everything todo with knowing (thinking) that i am a worthless nothing and therfore anything goes,! RL i’ve never met a Happy well adjusted young women with a craving to expose more than halacha allows get to know any one of these women personally (let them open up to you) you’ll see, that behind those fake smiles is a “shattered-selfesteem” probably by a bully -teacher or student these girls feel no shame b/c there is no inner (toichin)… Read more »
this the hole thing
this is a issue of major concern to all of us and if not – it should be