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Part 3 by Rabbi Shalom Ber Schapiro: Some of the overwhelming feedback I received on this series about tuition and the school's obligation to admit every child. Full Story

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To #39
September 4, 2018 12:49 am

What is the point of your post. Our schools aren’t offering anything near what is being talked about in the article you posted. Are we supposed to be focusing on #1 under reducing costs? That’s the only mention of our type of school. The only thing that some of our schools have in common with the ones in your article are that they have a dual curriculum. No comparison.

To 42
September 4, 2018 12:04 am

My only point of reference on such matters is the Rebbe . People who even care to suggest otherwise are are not coming from a place of Kedusha and I’m simply ignore them regardless of who they are.

To 40
September 3, 2018 4:12 pm

I have a child who currently receives services. I would never allow or have allowed anyone to treat my child.like a ATM machine. If I feel the provider is doing his or her best job they stay if not I request someone else.. I also don’t continue services if we as the parents deem it no longer to be useful. I don’t care who is getting paid what this is what I do as the child is my child

Administrators
September 3, 2018 12:02 pm

Many of the administrators live better off then the parents they harass for extra tuition which they cannot afford. Some even live better off and in larger and more expensive houses than the average parent. They ask for unreasonable amounts of tuition and make you go through hoops and loops to get a subsidy (which is what the administration is task to do in the first place). They ask to see parents income etc. and in return there is not transparency from their part to show how the money is used, how much are they actually fundraising. Are they doing… Read more »

What can be done NOW?
September 3, 2018 11:37 am

Until some of the broad and effective changes can be implemented from #39, what can be done NOW to expose those who are abusing their power as well as preventing children from learning due to tuition (provided there is proof)? According to comments #29 & #36 – there are children who are being prevented NOW from learning!

#41
September 3, 2018 11:18 am

IT’S NOT JUST CH, OUT OF TOWN SCHOOLS ARE DEALING WITH SIMILAR ISSUES!

To 43
September 3, 2018 10:16 am

Why give the thieves the school buildings that are worth close to 100 Million dollars?

Are you kidding ???
These institutions belong to the Crown Heights Jewish community. They are not to be run as private businesses.

Don’t open new schools, use these and run them honestly

Response to Rabbi Schapiro “bottom line”
September 3, 2018 1:51 am

“Is there a way we can clean up the mess? A practical way to revamp a system which has been entrenched for so many decades? A system with so much corruption? So that the school may regain the respect and trust of the parents and the community?“

Open new schools. BH this is already happening and I hope it happens more. Corruption at the top is no simple matter and the students feel it, even subconsciously.

REBBES OPINION
September 3, 2018 12:36 am

iF ANYONE HAs the chutZpah to say to a parent use Birth control and U could AFFORD TUITION WHAT IF THEY WERE TOLD THAT THERE HAPPENS 2 b AN ELTERER YID IN bROOKLYN WHO INSISTS THAT EACH AND EVERY CHILD IS ONLY A BROCHO FROM HASHEM AND NOT A HINDRANCE TO SCHAR LIMUD-SHAME ON YOU.

Rabbi Shapiro is on TARGET
September 3, 2018 12:21 am

I heard about this article in Shul as it was vigorously being discussed at the main Kiddush and decided to take a look and see what this is all about. From reading this article I can see that Rabbi Shapiro has really done his homework well before he wrote this very informative op ed. I would like to comment on one topic which Rabbi Shapiro briefly touched upon that discusses a outside organization that is draining resources from our schools to the tune of millions of dollars. Many Sought after therapists that used to work in our community can no… Read more »

Speak TRUTH to power......
September 2, 2018 11:40 pm

I wan’t to thank Rabbi Shapiro for speaking on behalf of 99% of our community. I am sure the powers that are controlling the institutions in CH are already threatening you and trying to silence you. I Daven that Hashem gives you the strength to continue shinning light on this very dark issue. Please don’t let the board and the “administrators” intimidate you into silence . I have one very simple question to our community: How is it that the current and recent administrators of the large schools in CH are living in beautiful overly large houses in the center… Read more »

article
September 2, 2018 10:29 pm

Will Day School Be Affordable Again? By Rafi Eis – June 4, 2018 SHARE Facebook Twitter Print Friendly, PDF & Email Rafi Eis Introduction In the decade since the Great Recession brought the day school affordability crisis front and center, we are nowhere near solving it. While some schools froze tuition for a few years, only one school significantly lowered its tuition. Every other school increased its tuition. Will we be able to solve the affordability crisis? This distressing topic however, can’t undermine our primary principles. Oscar Wilde famously defined a cynic as ‘a man who knows the price of… Read more »

#14
September 2, 2018 9:26 pm

Well said! Let’s be respectful not mean and stop blasphemy… chodesh Elul
Sweet, happy, honest, healthy and ahavas Yisroel year to All

RE: #35 - Create a "Wall of Shame"?
September 2, 2018 3:14 pm

If child molesters are posted on a “Wall of Shame”, why shouldn’t these perpetrators of cruelty and embarrassment not be similarly posted on a “Wall of Shame”? The emotional abuse that a child suffers by being sent home because of a financial situation they have no control over, having to explain to their friends why they are not learning along side them, being the subject of gossip, the torment they experience and tears they cry as a result, etc etc is exactly a form of molestation just as physical molestation! If there is proof of this emotional molestation, why shouldn’t… Read more »

#29 Addendum - squeezing tactic
September 2, 2018 2:15 pm

As the writer of comment #29 above, I forgot to add an important detail which again, underscores the maliciousness of this “Dean”: At the beginning of the summer, we had already discussed tuition and payments for the approaching year. We also had additional correspondence via email in the middle of the summer regarding other Mesivta related issues but nothing about an increase in tuition. So I wonder, why were we informed about this increase only 2 DAYS before the zman started!? It seems this was a tactic to force us into paying the raised tuition since other Mesivtas have already… Read more »

Chossid
September 2, 2018 1:56 pm

Someone must come up with a way that as soon as a parent is bullied etc , they should be able to let everyone know what’s happening immediately , because these blood suckers make you feel that you are the only one , everyone should know about all others

Veteran resident of Crown Hieghts
September 2, 2018 1:29 pm

b’h #28 – you are absolutely right to say that 1.the article hurts – it hurts because it is true. If it would not be revealing the truth, it would not hurt. and – 2. our schools are by and large run by very hard-working people – teachers and principles who are devoted and very often ba’alei mesiras nefesh. It is not these 98% we are talking about. We are talking about the very small percentage – at the top, behind the scenes who are controlling the funds. Some of whom are shockingly abusing their power for their own personal… Read more »

To #28
September 2, 2018 1:24 pm

I am a full tuition paying parent and unfortunately what Rabbi Schapiro is speaking about is true. If you are not in the New York/ New Jersey area it is not really possible to just enroll your child in another school if you would like them to be in a so called school of the Rebbe. In our town many people have moved to come to the school and it takes them a couple of years to really figure out what is going on around here. It is sad to say that yes, some of the administrators are thieves. They… Read more »

#29
September 2, 2018 1:10 pm

We can relate 100% and we are sick from this. Your child is not the only one to be treated lower than an animal.

FINALLY - thank you.Rabbi Schapiro!!
September 2, 2018 12:55 pm

This public discussion is long overdue, since we’ve been having it privately for years (in horror). To the administrators commenting that parents should “stop complaining and go elsewhere” – sorry to disturb your fairy tale. Humiliating and harassing hard working families and their precious children – looking down your noses at us – perhaps you should go elsewhere since you’re clearly not following the directives of our Dear Rebbe. To the accountant who naively commented that “parents who pay less cause others to pay more” I suggest you go back and read the previous articles and hundreds of comments. Tuition… Read more »

Re: 29
September 2, 2018 9:39 am

Your “Dean” makes my blood boil. I’m afraid that my comment would be censored if I wrote the full extent of what I think of your dean and what should happen to him.
Suffice it to say, your son does not deserve to suffer a year at the hands of that wretch. I feel bad for the other boys.

Can we have Part 4 entitled "Tachlis"?
September 2, 2018 7:39 am

BS”D As painful as it is to read and live the experiences of tuition from a parental point of view as well as a personal experience this week (to be explained below) – thank you Rabbi Shapiro for clarifying the issues – yet it is more painful to accurately describe all the pain but then be left with nothing that can be done to correct it. It’s like going to the doctor, the doctor confirms that the patient is not crazy for the symptoms they describe but in fact, are dealing with a very serious, if not life-threatening, illness…the doctor… Read more »

This article hurts
September 2, 2018 3:10 am

This article hurts. Why? Because we live in a free country where one is free to enroll your child where you’d like and where you’re free to open up a school with better ethical standards than the existing ones. The author paints a picture of thieving admins scheming to empty your pockets so they can pirchase their mansion with a 5 car garage. I wouldn’t go into chinuch if I were paid a million dollars, for though many are mentshlich good people etc., too many are ingrates which would trash talk you to your wife and trashtalk you to your… Read more »

Rabbi Shapiro is a Tzadik
September 2, 2018 1:26 am

Rabbi Shapiro is a Tzadik for taking of his precious time and listening to parents that are suffering quietly. Your words are words of truth. Those commenting in favor of the admin and board members, are board members and their families. Go to any of the local Shuls and listen to what the Amcha feels about this travesty. There are no parents in this community that have a kind word to say about how they have been treated and belittled by these bullies. Now they troll this site and are attempting to cover up their behavior. Shame. May Hashem Bentch… Read more »

Out of town
September 1, 2018 10:59 pm

It sounds like a lot of the people commenting are from Crown Heights. You should know that there is the same problem in our out of town school. One family, running the school and the whole town for that matter. Literally torturing parents through a tuition committee for money, like they are hiding millions under their mattresses. The books are completely closed. Most of their children are working in the school with lots of grandchildren going to school for free. They treat parents terribly, except for the very wealthy ones. Tuition committee consists of one millionaire, a couple of social… Read more »

To #8
September 1, 2018 10:45 pm

How on earth would you know that there are absolutely no misappropration of funds?

Never....
September 1, 2018 9:53 pm

….would I apply for admission to a school for my child until I knew the inner dynamics of that institution. I do not want to be part of a sham, because such a sham means that the system I am part of is part of the same behavior! Either we exercise integrity or we do not. And if not, we have plenty of opportunity to atone. Make it it a sacred blessing.

A victim
September 1, 2018 9:27 pm

The large Moissad OT hired a young married man to extract tuition from the parents ,a newly married man is telling a father of eight or ten he must pay this amount of money or else , the fault is the person who hired him in the first place , his father , the father cares so little about the parents , just take their money and run , when your children get off of school never donate a penny to these money grabbers abuseive garbage .

I will NEVER forget
September 1, 2018 4:28 pm

Years ago, when my one of my older children was in a CH moisad, with B”H a few kids under her, we were struggling financially, but still paid what we could. I was told by one of the administrators (only a few years older than me) that, “yes, you are paying in the top 1/3, but that is still considered a discount. And why should I fund-raise for you? With grandparents X and parents Y, you go fund-raise for yourselves.” My parents and grandparents didn’t pay our bills. We didn’t drive fancy cars or own a summer home, and he… Read more »

Fundraising
August 31, 2018 5:06 pm

It’s not as simple as 123. There’s a reason why not many of our Yungeleit are looking in that direction. Plenty want Shlichus or Chinuch or a regular job, but not fundraising.

@15 Whats the joke?
August 31, 2018 4:46 pm

That’s only if you look at it from a bottom up approach where you are saying the amount of tuition charged by schools is reasonable and fair, every parent should be paying the same amount of tuition regardless of kids or finacial status, that schools should be supported by tuition only and the problem of not being able to afford tuition is solved by having less kids. Unlike the rest of the American world where public schools are funded through LOTS of federal money and Property Tax! The more valuable your house is and the more property tax(tuition) you pay.… Read more »

To #15
August 31, 2018 4:17 pm

You are dead wrong about who’s responsibility it is to educate a child. It is our’S as a community. It’s the only way we survived as a people through history.

to 14
August 31, 2018 3:33 pm

Rabbi Shapiro never mentioned anything about the Menahalim. he is not talking about the honest hard working staff or board members. He is talking about those that are dishonest and deceitful and sadly those seem to be the majority.

Thank you Rabbi Shapiro for speaking on behalf of the silent majority!!

Wow !!!
August 31, 2018 3:10 pm

Words of TRUTH. Finally someone is speaking up for ANASH​! Rabbi Shapiro שליט”א, אשריך!!! דער אויבערשטער זאל אייך בענטשן מיט אריכות ימים ושנים טובות. אמן ​ The Rebbe’s words are incredible and are relevant as ever before especially with the current administrations that have hijacked the schools​. Some on the new board along with their administrators feel entitled to belittle anyone and everyone. They were self appointed by those that want to control the schools, a public community asset. These “BOARD MEMBERS” have not contributed to the schools nor raised any money for the schools. All they do with the… Read more »

Special Needs fraud?
August 31, 2018 1:47 pm

If this is truly the case, even once it should be reported to the proper government authorities and the police. This is not something that can be resolved internally and shouldn’t be either . Derech Eretz Kadmah LeTorah. A true chillul Hashem can be avoided if this is headed off now before the problem compounds over time. Better to weed out the problem sooner than later.
KVT”LTU

What a sad joke...
August 31, 2018 1:15 pm

The reason the schools don’t have enough money is because the parents by and large don’t have enough money to pay tuition. And the reason the parents by and large don’t have enough money to pay tuition is because they are educated and raised until after marriage (and their first child) not to give two thoughts about making a living or what life costs today; they aren’t given proper academic training (by the very schools under discussion); and they don’t use birth control. It might hurt to raise these points because they ultimately call into question the policies “from the… Read more »

Parent & Accountant
August 31, 2018 1:10 pm

As a parent and an accountant, I’m reading this article with shock. It takes more than a calculator to understand the numbers. Every organization or school is different. People make mistakes and so do organizations – so it’s impossible to speak to an individual situation of a parent. There are definitely mistakes that schools have done. However, it cost a lot of money to run a school. Teacher’s salary is not the only cost. Fundraising can always be better, but it’s also extremely difficult. Schools are competing for donations with Shluchim and other organizations. This article is helping spread misconceptions… Read more »

Veteran resident of Crown Hieghts
August 31, 2018 12:59 pm

The picture of our local schools – blurry and confusing for so long – has now been put into sharper focus. The picture is becoming clear and accurate – thank you SO MUCH Rabbi Schapiro for adjusting the lens and letting us see the truth… I think I get it now. Our schools are like a wagon being pulled by four horses (updated: a car with four wheels). The wagon is wobbling along – horses barely able to pull the wagon. WHY? The rider is basically whipping ONE horse, thinking that if only this horse will keep going faster, the… Read more »

Consulting a rav
August 31, 2018 12:21 pm

We had children thrown out of school for lack of tuition and the board nor the administrators would meet with a rav to resolve. The Rav told me he has no say in school matters. How is it possible that a board or administrators won’t listen to Rav before throwing out children?

Please
August 31, 2018 12:20 pm

I don’t have children in schools anymore
I’ve paid my share of tuitions and camp fees ….
I am not a relative of any board member

But please,,,,,,those that take responsibility don’t do it for kovoid or money.
They surely don’t get any and it costs them plenty
There are always people who will use their position to help those close to them but to accuse them of crimes….please,!i wouldn’t do that job no matter what you pay me
I’m glad someone is doing it
They’re not perfect but then neither is any one of us

Ksiva vachasima toiva

Shocking
August 31, 2018 12:01 pm

It’s hard to send my children and continue to support this kind of criminal behavior. And it is criminal. Does an institution like this deserve to have the Rebbes name on it. That is the question. Rotten. Seriously it’s so dishrheartening although I know many ehrliche people are teaching in our schools and bearing the weight of all of this.

Equalizer
August 31, 2018 11:56 am

Let’s see the tax returns from these so called administrators not just from last year but from the last twenty years , we shall then know where our many went to .dont get suckered in , give these creeps and thieves what they deserve ,don’t let them bully you any more , you all have a good shabbos

upset
August 31, 2018 11:45 am

I work in one of our community mosdos. I cannot believe the bitterness and jealousy that exists in our community, There are absolutely no misappropriation of funds. People do not realize how much it costs to run a school, Our administrators and board members work tirelessly to raise the much needed funds to cover all costs. All parents much share the burden by paying for the chinuch of their children. Many of these comments are totally unfair. May we all unite to work together to make this community a better place, May we all be bentched with a year of… Read more »

Too Painful to Read, it brings back too much pain!
August 31, 2018 11:42 am

BH my children have grown up and have families of their own now and yet these articles have brought back painful memories which I have tried to blot out. Judgments are made about families based upon what those “judges” assume are valid judgments, such as: “This person has a fancy car, so why do they need a scholarship?” However the reality is that the car was gifted by a generous donor, or a former student is told that when he was younger, his parents paid “little” tuition. Again, I am not using the exact derogatory term that the administrator used.… Read more »

stop complaining
August 31, 2018 11:26 am

to all those parnst who dont stop complaiing about the schools… are you doing anything active to help the schools? if not then keep quiet!!! STOP BASHING PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP if you are not willing to help out yourself. and FYI i believ most schools in our nnighborhood are transparent- that DOES NOT MEAN OPEN TO ANYONE LOOKING TO SNOOP but for big donors etc they have full acces to the books. So ignorant people out there who are crticisizing every administration out there i suggest you either step up and volunteer to help fix or school or LEAVE… Read more »

to number 4
August 31, 2018 11:23 am

so pay full tuition you wont have to show tax returns. if you expect your tuition to be subsidized its very fair to ask that you document income

Form 990
August 31, 2018 10:42 am

The Schools should be required to file a form-990 before they can ask any parent for their Tax paperwork.

Trailblazer
August 31, 2018 10:38 am

Maybe a stint in the slammer for these thieves might help our community

Emmes man
August 31, 2018 10:32 am

Beautifully written , all is 100 percent truth , continue the great work , save people from financial ruin , stress heart attacks and shame , throw out the crooks , let’s really bring Nachas to outhe Rebbe

Reminds me of the old joke...
August 31, 2018 10:27 am

Two litigants go the Rabbi complaining:
L1: “such and such!”
Rabbi: “you’re right!”
L2: “but wait! such and such!”
Rabbi: “you’re right!”
Rabbi’s wife: “how can they both be right?!”
Rabbi: “you’re right!”
LOL
Here too, the parents, the teachers, and administrators are all right.
VD”L
Good Shabbos to all.
PH

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