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To Promote Tznius, Stop Talking About It

Response by Avremi Gourarie: “A recent article said tznius is the reason there is a shidduch crisis. Say what?! We fail that generation and then blame them?” Full Story

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Great response
September 11, 2025 3:14 pm

Something I learned as a parent is that when you lecture,it sounds perfectly sensible to your ears and you wish it would resonate with your child but they dont hear it that way and they’ll do their own thing or even the opposite.

As the Rebbes chassidim
September 11, 2025 3:15 pm

“Thats what the Rebbe said” should cut it.

A mechanech
Reply to  As the Rebbes chassidim
September 11, 2025 3:37 pm

The problem is – raising children who feel a connection to the Rebbe doesn’t come through lecturing, either. It also comes through watching good role models of Chasidim acting as Chasidim should. So just step up and truly be a Chosid, and kids will feel it’s relevant to them. Lecturing won’t do that.

True, but..
Reply to  As the Rebbes chassidim
September 11, 2025 3:38 pm

Perhaps it should. My point is/was that it does not for many. We ought to recognize that and pivot.

AG

For whom?
Reply to  As the Rebbes chassidim
September 11, 2025 3:49 pm

Just because you are a chassid, does not mean that your child is. And if that’s your attitude, then they probably won’t want to become one. If all you can do to justify anything is by appealing to authority, then they’ll just reject that authority.
Torah is knowledge, which must be understood.

Sadly
Reply to  As the Rebbes chassidim
September 11, 2025 3:59 pm

You so deeply don’t understand this article that I hope you haven’t had children yet so you still have time to be misbonen on what Avremi is trying to say here. Really try to understand with an open mind, it will do wonders for your future children’s chinuch.

You misbonen one way
Reply to  Sadly
September 11, 2025 9:48 pm

Another person another way

Your way or the authors way isn’t the only way.

BH we have the Rebbe’s guidance.

rebbe
Reply to  As the Rebbes chassidim
September 11, 2025 7:37 pm

correct, but you dont even listen. so how do you want others

A high schooler
Reply to  As the Rebbes chassidim
September 11, 2025 10:52 pm

I wish it cut it. But for me and 98% of my school it judt doesn’t. We’re not blind believers. We need facts and proof. And I wish it would put my mind at ease just by hearing well the rebbe said… but it really doesn’t and actually starts leading to resentment. Im not only saying this about myself I’ve spoken to many people that feel the same.

read this whole book.
September 11, 2025 3:16 pm

start reading on page 30

https://chafetzchayim.org/wp-content/single/SeferGederOlam_2020-07-01_03-36-49/SeferGederOlam_2020-07-01_03-36-49.html

read it if you are married to a nontzinius girl. read it if you are considering marrying one. read it if you would date one.

A chassid
Reply to  read this whole book.
September 11, 2025 10:55 pm

This is not the Rebbes approach. Its not how a chassid should act or think.

puleeze
Reply to  read this whole book.
September 11, 2025 11:37 pm

If you’re posting here, tell us what it says and why you think it relevant. don’t give assignments

Thank You !!
September 11, 2025 3:18 pm

Finally a sensible person speaks!!!

Wow...
September 11, 2025 3:24 pm

How much depth…

If only the mashpieim had such
Core principals

Depth!?
Reply to  Wow...
September 11, 2025 4:36 pm

Was there one jewish source in this entire article!? Sorry, this might be a nice article for a Modox crowd… not for a lubavitcher one.. “it just won’t cut it”…

Depth!
Reply to  Depth!?
September 14, 2025 10:37 pm

There are things that don’t need a source (and perhaps can’t be written – black on white – in a source).

There was once in a question sent by a reader to the מערכת of the Hatomim article, asking what is the source for קבל את האמת ממי שאמרו, the answer they gave – in the followings article – the sentence itself demands no source…

Depth!
Reply to  Depth!?
September 14, 2025 10:40 pm

There are things that don’t need a source (and perhaps can’t be written – black on white – in a source).

There was once in a question sent by a reader to the מערכת of the Hatomim article, asking what is the source for קבל את האמת ממי שאמרו, the answer they gave – in the followings article – the sentence itself demands no source…

Itchie Gross
September 11, 2025 3:24 pm

Thanks for writing this point of view. Totally agree.

Finally
September 11, 2025 3:27 pm

Something sensible

Yup
September 11, 2025 3:28 pm

Much like in the story about racism, to stop tznius we must stop talking about it.
Great idea!

Mushkie
Reply to  Yup
September 11, 2025 8:37 pm

Do you mean to stop tznius or to stop UNTZNIUS?

To the replier "Mushkie"
Reply to  Mushkie
September 12, 2025 6:54 am

It’s called sarcasm. It may be a complex subject to teach but throwing it under the rug isn’t the solution

Rebbe
September 11, 2025 3:32 pm

The Rebbe spoken about Tznuis many times.

The Rebbe
Reply to  Rebbe
September 11, 2025 7:01 pm

was the epitome of Tznius and a role model in every way, so it works. If a parent is really sensitive the the child’s struggle and is not rebuking to “control”, but reminding with love, explanation and care, they’ll probably have much better chance of succeeding.

A mechanech
September 11, 2025 3:35 pm

This is good Chinuch! It’s much harder to step up and be a role model than to lecture! But it’s the only effective way to educate.

YES
September 11, 2025 3:42 pm

Thank you for this!!! OF COURSE we teach our sons and daughters what the shulchan aruch requires of us but can we stop the “tznius infractions” in schools?? Teach it and then LIVE it. The learning will follow and it will stick.

Prob
Reply to  YES
September 11, 2025 6:26 pm

Only prob they don’t

מכתב כ"ק אדמו"ר מוהריי"ץ נ"ע (קונטרס עה"ח ע' 5)
September 11, 2025 3:42 pm

“יש שמטעים את עצמם לאמר: בכדי לקרב את הנוער לתורה ומצוה, עלינו להרבות עליו בתהילות ותשבחות ולהזהר מדברי מוסר אזהרות ותביעות, אבל האמת כי נהפוך הוא. השומע מרגיש כי מדברים אליו בשפתי חלקות ודברי חנופה, ולא בדרך השקר זו יקרבו אותם לתורתנו תורת אמת ומצות ד’ אלקים אמת.

ימים יבואו ודור הצעיר יבוא בתביעה נפשיית אל כל מנהיגיו ובפרט אל מנהלי הישיבות וראשיהם, לאמר:

מפני מה לא הוכחתם אותנו על דרכנו.

מפני מה לא אמרתם לנו את האמת, אמתה של תורת אלקים חיים, במילואה…..

ומה נאמר ובמה נצטדק ביום ההוא?”

,זה האמת

. אנו צריכים לדעת מה הרביים אמרו.תודה רבה שמדבר על זה

Translation

A letter of the Frierdiker Rebbe (printed in the beggining of Kuntres Eitz Hachyim page 5) There are those which fool themelves and say that in order to encourage the youth (in the ways of) torah and mitzvos, we have to prioritize Davening to hashem and refrain from rebuking, warning or demanding. The truth is on the contrary: the one on the listening end will feel like they are being sweet talked. This false way will not draw the youth close to our true torah, mitzvos and hashem. Days will come when the younger generation will come to all their… Read more »

excellent post
Reply to  Translation
September 11, 2025 7:12 pm

very True

Agreed

I gave this comment a ‘thumbs up’. I remember reading this. Its beautiful. But we must pause and with great care, consider how to transmit the ’emes’ this letter refers to. I posit that current methods are not only ineffectual, they serve the greater cause more harm than good. Perhaps we ought to remind ourselves and reflect as to how exactly the Rebbeim taught us. Not admonishment or out of anger, but Chinuch from a truly holy, kind perspective. Today we chastise, we shame, we punish the child for their mothers infractions!! (or we just punish the mother) Is this… Read more »

Poster of letter
Reply to  Agreed
September 11, 2025 7:40 pm

I agree that the message has to be given over correctly, and that shaming etc. is not helpful. If the method we are using isn’t working, we should for sure make a cheshbon nefesh and try to understand what we are doing wrong and how we can do it better. However, I don’t think “not talking about it” is the solution. I think there is a way we can talk about it, teach it, in a positive, encouraging way. Yes, we must lead by example, but that does not mean we should not discuss these topics, and there must be… Read more »

Yeah?
September 11, 2025 3:43 pm

What else should we stop talking about?
Antisemitism? Keeping Shabbos? Chassidishkeit?
Beard? College?

hey all boys should grow a long beard
Reply to  Yeah?
September 11, 2025 4:04 pm

if you don’t already have one. BH

Yosef
Reply to  Yeah?
September 11, 2025 5:44 pm

What is a Bochur likes to learn and is frum but does not want to have a Beard would a mainstream Chabad yeshiva accept him?

why don't you want a beard?
Reply to  Yosef
September 11, 2025 6:13 pm

you should grow a beard

Yosef
Reply to  why don't you want a beard?
September 11, 2025 9:02 pm

Cause some ppl don’t like a beard your asking a question on a fact that someone does not like a beard.

Yes we should stop talking about antisemitism
Reply to  Yeah?
September 11, 2025 8:12 pm

Like it’s the number one focus of being jewish

Makes sense
September 11, 2025 3:45 pm

Mechanchim should take more notes from Morgan Freeman, Albert Einstein and a tribe in the Amazon and less focus on what the Rebbe says. Brilliant 👏

Curiosity
Reply to  Makes sense
September 11, 2025 4:27 pm

Plus they can get distracted just looking up these people.If you need shock value, quote an authentic Litvisher Godol who was respected by our Nesiim.It will show that there is no escape from the truth.

Torah
Reply to  Makes sense
September 11, 2025 4:30 pm

Chazal said קבלו את האמת ממי שאמרה

Guess what
Reply to  Makes sense
September 11, 2025 5:21 pm

The rebbe also never said what you and all,the judgemental yappers say

You missed the point of this article
Reply to  Makes sense
September 12, 2025 1:31 am

If you are mechanech with truth.
Then no words are needed.
If you talk to your kids with respect. They will respect you.
The tone of voice a parent uses towards a child, eventually becomes the child’s self talk. If he or her has a loving relationship.
Then usually the child won’t be looking and searching for attention. Validation etc.
There is a difference between having firm boundaries. And talking down to a child.
The rebbe never ever talked down or belittled.

Tznius is Yiras Shomayim
September 11, 2025 3:45 pm

See what the Rebbe said about how to instill Yiras Shomayim in our kids- the topic of this weeks My Story with Rabbi Stein from Detroit. Very similar if not exactly the point Rabbi Gourarie is making- about being an example.

I disagree with
September 11, 2025 3:47 pm

We are not talking of the kids or adults who want to dress or behave modestly anyway—that’s preaching to the choir.”

Why the assumption that these people would be tznius anyway? I am sure that many people are tznius because of the hadracha they received.

Nevertheless
Reply to  I disagree with
September 11, 2025 4:31 pm

It could be negative motivation.
We need positive motivation.

He's right
September 11, 2025 3:52 pm

And the older adults who don’t understand the huge struggles of our generation, and make it more difficult, are themselves in the darkest Galus (Exile).

Visitor
Reply to  He's right
September 11, 2025 7:17 pm

It’s not like older generations never struggled. I would say that tznius was about the overall look and not about nit picked details.

A true wake up call
September 11, 2025 4:00 pm

If all the parents in Lubavitch will just pause.
Breathe. If you don’t understand the point of this article or you find yourself getting defensive- pause and think. Avremi has heard the personal stories of so many of our youth. He knows what he’s talking about. It’s time to listen. To love.

A school in CH
September 11, 2025 4:06 pm

I was shamed about tznius by a celebrated mechanech who is literally 100 years old btw as were many other girls.
LOOK AT OUR MECHANCHOIS.

Alright
Reply to  A school in CH
September 11, 2025 6:33 pm

Most unfortunately are not examples

Schools need to get a grip
September 11, 2025 4:07 pm

The women in charge of the girls education need to start behaving like menschin. they embarrass girls they shame them and then they wonder why they aren’t frum anymore. be for real.

dont put everyone into one basket
Reply to  Schools need to get a grip
September 12, 2025 2:47 am

what you wrote is not true, and I doubt that you would feel comfortable to promise that all the women in charge of education embarrass girls and shame them

Yosef
September 11, 2025 4:09 pm

What’s does Aguch say about this?

Finally....
September 11, 2025 4:15 pm

someone with common sense.

I like this article
September 11, 2025 4:41 pm

Totally agree . At the community leaders and teachers would be better role models we just want to emulate them. Stop preaching and start being a role model that youth want to emulate.

Things need to change
September 11, 2025 4:46 pm

About time someone stands up as says this. Too many kids have been turned off or traumatized from the schools here imposing tzinuis like it’s a military law.

Yes!
Reply to  Things need to change
September 11, 2025 5:26 pm

Hard truth ,but i really think this is where it stems from,so unfortunate. Maybe the tznius issue is all about changing the girls school system.

How about
September 11, 2025 4:47 pm

The author of this article Send it to someone with the same last name That runs a school in Crown Heights
I walk up and down the hallways, looking at the girls and commenting. . .

Truth
September 11, 2025 4:56 pm

It’s the harderpath, and the results might take longer… And it’s worth it.
When we enjoy our way of life, our children will come to us with curiosity.

Men
September 11, 2025 5:03 pm

Men should NOT call out women who aren’t tznius. Let them consult with there rav and people who they feel comfortable with. This includes COLLIVE articles.

Exactly
Reply to  Men
September 11, 2025 5:47 pm

And no women should ever tell a man about men’s issues. And no adult should tell a child about child issues. No white person should ever tell a black person about black issues. No rich person should ever tell a poor person about poverty issues. Same with gender issues, who you marry issues, immigrants issues, you can only open your mouth if you share the exact life experience of the other person.

A tznius girl
Reply to  Men
September 11, 2025 11:04 pm

I couldn’t agree more.
Men, you dont know the struggle that girls go through. You may think you do but you dont. Even if you have 17 daughters at 8 sisters. You can’t understand it and you won’t.
Its also very humiliating as a girl to see these articles/talks or whatever against us. Im not concerned about the length of your beard simply because its not my business and im not a man so I dont anything about the topic let alone the struggle or whatever. So please dont talk about my tznius.

Confused
September 11, 2025 5:06 pm

I can’t tell if the reason the people walking in this image are blurred because of tznius or the camera focus.
i hope it the latter.

Title*
September 11, 2025 5:10 pm

From Hayom Yom 17 Elul: The Alter Rebbe himself was the regular Torah-reader. Once he was away from Lyozna on the Shabbat of parsha Tavo, and the Mitteler Rebbe, then not yet Bar Mitzva, heard the Torah-reading from another. His anguish at the curses in the tochacha (section of admonition) caused him so much heartache, that on Yom Kippur the Alter Rebbe doubted whether his son would be able to fast. When they asked the Mitteler Rebbe – “Don’t you hear this parsha every year?” – he replied, “When Father reads, one hears no curses.” We must always factor in… Read more »

BRHS parent
September 11, 2025 5:10 pm

I tuned into BRHS 12th grade parent zoom this week. One of the educators spent a good portion of time asking parents for help in supporting the schools tznius requirements and NOT BUYING OUR KIDS SNEAKERS, because they are no longer allowed as they are not tznius. I’m just shaking my head. This is what we worry about? Sneakers that were fine last year – suddenly they are not tznius? My daughter confirmed that her friend was called aside and told “you’re such a nice girl why wear such unrefined shoes” ( as opposed to the blundstones 😳- which are… Read more »

That's just ridiculous
Reply to  BRHS parent
September 12, 2025 1:15 am

If they don’t want the girls wearing sneakers, enforce it as a dress code thing and worry about the fact that the uniform skirts don’t cover the knees because that’s actually a halachic problem unlike sneakers.

they are not obligated to BUY
Reply to  BRHS parent
September 12, 2025 5:27 am

your kids sneakers in the first place.

Avremi?!
September 11, 2025 5:21 pm

Im not sure who this man is whether its a bochur trying to be funny or a dillusional mashpia/rabbi but the ones who should be addressing and giving advise on tznius should be us women and us ONLY. As a girl who enjoys wearing stylish clothing, this is a struggle for me and having to hear an unqualified GEVER talk about MY life is highly degrading.

Hmmm
Reply to  Avremi?!
September 11, 2025 6:58 pm

Sweetie, maybe take two minutes to see who the author is, he did put his name on the article, unlike you bravely leaving an anonymous comment. You sound very frustrated, but a little respect and using a few more braincells could take you far in life.

Rude
Reply to  Avremi?!
September 11, 2025 7:01 pm

I don’t think your parents should be allowing you access to the internet… that would be a good start

Yes I hear you
Reply to  Avremi?!
September 11, 2025 7:35 pm

I half agree with you ,only because I feel as if the man writing the article is more understanding than half the woman writing tznius articles lol

Huh?
Reply to  Avremi?!
September 11, 2025 8:15 pm

If you read the article, you will see that he wasn’t talking about Tznius, and he wasn’t telling you anything about your dress.

he's the father of Yehudis Gourarie...
Reply to  Avremi?!
September 11, 2025 9:51 pm

and speaks with a lot of care and concern, having faced tragedy head on. google his name and you’ll hear his interviews etc. He’s also an accomplished musician.

Name
Reply to  he's the father of Yehudis Gourarie...
September 11, 2025 11:07 pm

His daughter was Yocheved

Correction
Reply to  he's the father of Yehudis Gourarie...
September 11, 2025 11:24 pm

Yocheved. Obm

You missed the entire point.
Reply to  Avremi?!
September 11, 2025 9:54 pm

This isn’t a buchur. He is well respected man.

You missed the point of this article
Reply to  Avremi?!
September 12, 2025 1:47 am

That’s exactly the point of the article..
That we shouldn’t talk about it.
AG actually knows whats going on because he actually cares.
He’s been saying this for years.
One day it will be mainstream and a non issue

There has to be another way
September 11, 2025 5:27 pm

I agree with some of the author’s points. In truth, the yeshivos have a lot of competition today. With phones, the internet, and social media proliferating, not to mention the allure of alcohol and drugs among other temptations, it is very challenging to be mechanech the next generation after gimmel tammuz. Personally, I believe chinuch needs to start with establishing a positive relationship or connection with the child. When the child knows you care about them, then your values are meaningful and when some guidance is necessary, it is more well received. Somehow, it has become customary to use a… Read more »

Perhaps?
September 11, 2025 5:38 pm

Perhaps the writer has a point,

We see that in the Hungarian communities (Like Kiryat Yoel, Williamsburg, etc) they are totally obsessed with “tzinus” Like the color of the socks of the ladies how long or short the ladies Shaitel could be,

They talk about this all the time non-stop.

Perhaps this causes them to actually have an issue with it and thus causing them to struggle with it!

so..
Reply to  Perhaps?
September 11, 2025 7:08 pm

why are they so tzniusdik? (of course there r exceptions, like the only ones chabad women know from social media………

but they don't
Reply to  Perhaps?
September 11, 2025 9:51 pm

so this doesn’t make sense to me…

Agreed
September 11, 2025 5:46 pm

Thank you
So real

Tired of these Articles
September 11, 2025 5:49 pm

Every article misses the actual problems by avoiding them. I will not elaborate but here they are: a) Gezhe or not Gezhe b) Rich family or working on it c) dating social hierarchy d) educated or not e) physical and emotional attraction (thank you social media) f) anything else is an extension, an offshoot, and/or a combination of the above And the community continues shooting itself on the foot by keeping the “systems” the way they are. The worst part is that every person thinks they’re right and deserving the best of the selection (each to their own “beauty in… Read more »

Seriously, can we just stop this already
Reply to  Tired of these Articles
September 11, 2025 9:55 pm

I’m every society in the entire worldyou have some people that are more into status than others, so meeting that BH it’s not what you’re into, just stay away from all of that. These plenty people BH that get married from many various backgrounds. Why would you anyways want someone that doesn’t want you. I’d personally rather stay away.

we will never stop until we win.
Reply to  Seriously, can we just stop this already
September 12, 2025 5:29 am

and we are not marrying YOU the mother. we are not marrying YOU the shadchan. we are marrying the man. it’s not the man that doesn’t want us, it’s the mother or the shadchan. the man wants us. and the man Will marry us.

Always the same
September 11, 2025 6:22 pm

This sort of comment always comes from people who are not careful with hilchos tznius and become super defensive. The people who value tznius and are makpid on the halachos never have an issue hearing more about tznius.
If hearing about tznius bothers you so much, its time for you to reflect. If you are perfectly confident that you are not doing part of the issue, hearing about tznius wont be an issue.
Breaches of tZnius are never just about tznius- they play out in all inyanei yiras shamayim

Always the same
September 11, 2025 6:22 pm

This sort of comment always comes from people who are not careful with hilchos tznius and become super defensive. The people who value tznius and are makpid on the halachos never have an issue hearing more about tznius.
If hearing about tznius bothers you so much, its time for you to reflect. If you are perfectly confident that you are not doing part of the issue, hearing about tznius wont be an issue.
Breaches of tZnius are never just about tznius- they play out in all inyanei yiras shamayim

Yes and no
Reply to  Always the same
September 11, 2025 9:59 pm

Everyone has an area that is extra challenging for them, for some it might be Tznius. The question is how to BEST go about encouraging someone who is struggling in this (or any) area. Based on the Torah, it’s a combination of a few things, but should definitely be done with love and care. Also, people who are struggling still need to realize that while a student is in school, they do need to adhere to school rules. The school can’t allow people to do whatever they want. It would create mayhem. At the same, in certain things, the school… Read more »

Spot on!
September 11, 2025 6:32 pm

Really enjoyed this piece, so on point and beautifully said

Thank you
September 11, 2025 6:34 pm

This article is so refreshing. I love the perspective of leading by example instead of constant criticism—it really hits home. It’s true that our kids and students need role models who inspire them, not lectures that push them away. Such an important and beautiful reminder.

Yes!
September 11, 2025 6:36 pm

Wow, this really resonated. So simple yet so true that constant pressure just creates pushback, while kindness and authenticity inspire naturally. Such an important message.

Parents
September 11, 2025 6:41 pm

Parents have to stop blaming schools for everything
The best way to enforce something is that the parents should show by example and stop fighting the school policies
Because big kids see the parents fighting the schools it definitely makes it worse

100%
September 11, 2025 6:43 pm

Avremi, your perspective really makes me pause and rethink how I lead by example. Thank you for sharing this.

Thank you Avremi 👏
September 11, 2025 6:44 pm

Every. Single. Word.

Been through alot
September 11, 2025 7:02 pm

B”H

I just want to say in defense of Avremi that he knows exactly what he’s talking about. He lost his daughter when she was a teenager.
Trust me. He totally gets it. May he know of much reveal good be”H.

COMPLAINING
September 11, 2025 7:32 pm

The reason most people complain about it, is that’s how their life is. they complain about everything , and its easier to blame someone else on hardships, than their selves

authentic
September 11, 2025 7:37 pm

the best part of this article is the fact that the author has signed his name!! thats progress and makes the message so much relatable. thank you

Irony
September 11, 2025 8:05 pm

It is not Tznius to talk openly about Tznius. Unless you are a Rebbe or extremely refined.
So if i want to be somewhat provocative in my dress and you comment negatively, the messaging is that instead of you seeing my attributes, all you can see and focus on, is my dress, so really your lacking and not a tzinua.
It reminds me in day-camp where the director kept pulling the curtain in shul as he didn’t want us to get the smallest peek. It said more about him…

Mushkie
September 11, 2025 8:40 pm

Makes so much sense. Stop talking about it, and it will go away. Stop the shidduch crisis by stopping to talk about it. Stop the Off The Derech children by stopping to talk about it. I wonder why the Rebbe spoke so much about Mi Hu Yehudi – would it not have stopped if he stopped talking about it?

Visitor
Reply to  Mushkie
September 12, 2025 2:15 pm

He means stop harping about it to the point where the kids ignore it or become so triggered by it that they can’t handle the topic. Kids have needs that have to be met and they resent it when everything is about one aspect of life.

Mushkie
September 11, 2025 8:41 pm

How do we stop crime in the neighborhood? Stop talking about it.

To all who blame women - stop it!
September 11, 2025 8:53 pm

Real men don’t blame — they lead. Tznius starts with you: take responsibility, show respect, and be the mentch your family and community deserve.

Chaim
September 11, 2025 9:09 pm

I was in top Chabad Yeshivas and was a strong learner in Talmud but never wanted a beard or to lean chasidus or farbrang or liked the lubavitch negonium, and the obsession and books about beards felt very off putting.

so? that's fine.
Reply to  Chaim
September 12, 2025 5:30 am

u dont have to like to farbrang or negonim. but chabad isn’t the only one with beards. Chofetz Chaim wrote entire essays on why jews should grow a beard. you don’t have to be chabad.

Chaim
Reply to  so? that's fine.
September 12, 2025 12:19 pm

I am referring to most yeshivsh Mir, Lakewood, Chaim Berlin etc no on has beards

Sorry, but no
September 11, 2025 9:46 pm

As with everything, you need a balance of having people be a dugma Chaya and alsoteaching it. As one of the people in this generation that you are talking about, I actually DO want to learn about Tznius, obviously in a proper caring way, and I don’t want to learn about it just from having role models.
Plus
It’s always easy for people to comment and talk, but it’s a whole different story when you’re the one with the responsibility of running a moisad or being a teacher or Rebbi or counselor….

Tznius
September 11, 2025 10:01 pm

Is for women
And for men
And probably not the best thing for a man to be writing an article on Tznius for women.

The point
Reply to  Tznius
September 12, 2025 9:51 am

The article is not about Tznius.
It about not talking about it.
Sorry that many here can’t understand this.

Clothing
September 12, 2025 12:39 am

I only remember being told in תומכי תמימים about the type of לבושים in the third perek of תניא, which are מחשבה דבור מעשה, and in this type of clothing – real clothing – the people who are the focus of this discussion are TOPNOTCH!

We care too much about secular beauty standards
September 12, 2025 1:43 am

I think tznius is about pride.
Just because the secular worlds standard of beauty is the external doesnt mean we need to take them seriously. they’re nuts. Let them fly a kite. We have the dignity and depth to know that inside is what counts most. And we like to get people’s focus on who we actually are and not our superficials.

to all the shluchim, leaders, rebbitzins
September 12, 2025 5:33 am

who don’t even follow the basic tzinius halacha, you better either start, or quit your position of leadership. unacceptable to be a fake role model.

He's an exception
September 12, 2025 6:38 am

Avremi is an exception as far as a man being able to give direction.
He lost a young daughter and is talking from the heart.
May he and his family together with all klal yisroel have a kesiva v’chasina tovah!

THANK YOU!!!
September 12, 2025 11:48 am

Finally! I’m married with kids and don’t dress tznius. I don’t struggle with anything else but that. It’s never crossed my mind to not keep Shabbos or eat non kosher. I’m strict about CY, I’m strict abt Jewish music, I’m not strict abt tznius. Just hearing the word makes me cringe. This article is so spot on, I’ve never had a will to break Shabbos bec Shabbos in my home was so positive and special. Kashrus was never spoken about, but tznius? Tznius was the devil. If I wasn’t tznius I wasn’t going to be happy, I wldnt get a… Read more »

Local Rov
September 12, 2025 1:10 pm

There is only one solution to the tznius plague in our neighborhood: Enforce a dress code – have signs in shuls that require all those entering to follow the dress code. Have signs in all stores that customers can only enter if they follow the dress code. Have signs at all schools that parents arriving at school for pick up or drop off must follow the dress code. Heck, restaurants and many stores have signs that clearly state: Shirts and shoes are required. Why not post and enforce similar signs (covered elbows, knees, hair of married women) required to enter… Read more »

This is not the chabad way
Reply to  Local Rov
September 14, 2025 4:21 am

Not accepting another yid because they are not at your level maybe worse.
Its like kicking a not tznius child out of your home.
The rebbe was soooo against that!!!
Again, this article is all about living by example.
Most of tznius issues are rooted in someone that wasn’t accepted for who they were.
If you accept and love your children unconditionally.
Don’t belittle them, don’t be harsh etc.
You have way more chance that your kids will be tznius.

Thank you!
September 12, 2025 2:51 pm

I haven’t even read the article yet, but as a single girl I feel so so grateful that there are older, married people who don’t singularly blame singles (specifically girls) for situations beyond their control!

this whole subject fascinates me...
September 13, 2025 10:08 pm

I usually dont judge the article or writer, but rather by the amount of people responding. It intrigues me by how many are fascinated or troubled or interested in this matter – one way or another. so here are my thoughts. I have been through the entire Lubavitch system. I liked many things and stongly rejected many things. In particular, it was the image expected from me [us] but not genuinely conveyed with love or much consideration from those above us. e.g i had a beard. and as soon as it was trimmed ( for reasons i will not get… Read more »

Shmuly
Reply to  this whole subject fascinates me...
September 14, 2025 1:44 pm

Why did you trim you beard? According to the great Goan Rabbi Moshe Wiener it’s assur to trim or shave

A BRHS student- CH
September 14, 2025 5:20 pm

I fully agree with this article! Speaking as a high school student, the more our teachers and parents talk about tznius, scold us, or “teach” us about it, the more we start to resent it. When we’re getting ready to leave the house and our parents say things like “fix your skirt” or “that dress is too see-through,” it actually pushes us to want to wear it more. When our principals stop us in the hallway with “close your buttons” or “change your skirt,” it doesn’t inspire us — it just makes us frustrated. Instead of associating tznius with dignity,… Read more »

Thank you
September 15, 2025 11:50 pm

Thank you, a wise perspective!

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