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Time to Arm the Rebbe’s Army

Op-Ed: It is admirable that the 'Rebbe's Army' is not deterred by inherent daily risks, but what can be done to minimize the security threat Shluchim face? Full Story

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AND TO CROWN HEIGHTS TOO!
January 29, 2012 3:05 am

If you can’t get a gun permit in NY then maybe…

But you can buy a shotgun at walmart and keep it safely at home.

'Sarge
January 26, 2012 10:15 pm

I would like to point out several things, but let me begin with the following. I am a US Army Sergeant, I have also served in the IDF. I have been working with or around weapons for the last 12 years. I am also a member of the NRA. I grew up in Crown Heights and I was there for the riots during which Yankel Rosenbaum was murdered by a mob of thugs, I also remember the rape and murder that was mentioned by #4. Tzivos Hashem’s comment is grossly naive. In 1948 the men who fought for Israel fought… Read more »

Already got mine...
January 26, 2012 2:33 pm

This Chabadnik packs heat. Just make sure to have ONE safe place for it and make sure you could ALWAYS get to it quickly (not behind suitcases or cases of Hamantashen…:)

Republican Rabbis
January 26, 2012 12:46 pm

woohoo- finally! a reason to become a shliach… i get a gun 🙂

RE: comment 26
January 26, 2012 11:57 am

Sefer Ha’Sichos 5681 page 21

To #23 and #24
January 26, 2012 10:36 am

From #21 the 1 in a million comparison is not relevent, how many people are killed by an attacker without arms? To think that the Holtzbergs would have been saved had they been armed is utopian but not realistic. How many armed soldiers in Israel were killed by organized attacks? I’m not against bearing arms (I’ve have relatives who pack and am quite comfortable around guns), but think it needs to be weighed against the (admittedly rare) danger of mishap and the odds of it one day saving your life (also admittedly rare). especially Shulichim that are not particularly savvy… Read more »

Elchonon Hellinger
January 26, 2012 10:21 am

#26 this is a known fact, you can see his gun at the chabad library. He carried a gun for 1 year even learning to shoot it, he was in danger from the maskilim

Asian jew
January 26, 2012 6:44 am

count me in. train me.

Come and Hear
January 26, 2012 4:59 am

Three tips to anyone interested in pursuing the article’s suggestion, SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY!

Frierdiker Rebbe Carried a Gun ????
January 26, 2012 2:35 am

Can you provide more information about what you write in the article that “the previous Chabad Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Schneerson, who, when informed of a threat from ‘gangsters’ that intended to attack him, made sure to carry a pistol.”

Elchonon Hellinger
January 25, 2012 10:37 pm

#21, Whilst sad, thats a rarity. 80 million americans own guns, how often do you hear of these cases ? 1 in 1 million ? I have carried a loaded gun for almost 6 years, you need to learn proper firearms use and storage. Forget all the media hogwash and lies, these are simple FACTS. #1 most shootings are over by the time the cops get there, from mumbai to Virginia tech, columbine etc.. #2 civilians have time and again effectively put a stop to terror attacks, from yeshiva merkaz harav to the valentines day shooting in a mall a… Read more »

to #21
January 25, 2012 10:10 pm

foolish point. Do you know, have you ever considered, how many people where mugged and shot and if they had a strong way to defend themselves it could have been avoided???

TheRealJoe
January 25, 2012 9:55 pm

#21 it’s people like you, whom make it harder for law abiding citizens, to protect themselves. The story of Arik Sharon’s son, happened many years ago, and the details might not be as you portrayed. Now how dare you decide which shluchim live in dangerous area’s, I notice you mention, in a mocking way Kabul, but forgot about a place called Mumbai. I hope you do some real research and change your negative view about the basic human and Torah right to self defense.

Akiva
January 25, 2012 8:18 pm

It is not just Shulucom who are targets. Any Chassid who looks the “part” should heed this.

2nd ammendment.
January 25, 2012 8:11 pm

Ah, so now let’s draw Chabad into the guns contreversy.

Take a look at the newly released biography of Arik Sharon authored by his son and you will note that Arik’s eldest son A”H was killed as a child by misfiring his father’s gun.

If such a general “Arik hagibur” nebach lost a son from this with all the training etc. do we still think Shluchim should pack? yes, maybe the one in Kabul. Oh I forgot, no shliach in kabul…..

self defence /firearms trainig
January 25, 2012 7:46 pm

if anyone is interested in investing in there ability to react in an emergency pleas contact me at [email protected] i teach reality based martial art and i am NRA certified to teach safe firearms use
p.s. the Rabbi Danni cohen the shliach pictured above can vouch for me

packn heat
January 25, 2012 5:51 pm

IS the only way to go. Count me in.

Agree totally
January 25, 2012 5:51 pm

Not just for shluchim, but for every Jewish household that is willing to undertake the responsiblity and training involved.

TheRealJoe
January 25, 2012 5:09 pm

OK to do this on a large scale is a dream with all the money and legal issues however IF any Shliach or anyone for that matter wants to get some GUN training there is a certified NRA instructor email [email protected]

aprpeh
January 25, 2012 4:44 pm

if you are in NYC, you live at the mercy of the great and powerful nanny bloomberg. he doesnt like guns, so you cant have one. whatever nanny michael wants, nanny michael gets. move chabad headquarters to the south and learn to be free.

Security Guy
January 25, 2012 4:42 pm

There are more appropriate Jewish community security groups across the world who can provide training, advice and physical security from well trained and law abiding volunteers versus placing another responsibility on the shoulders of a shliach. They should definitely be trained and equipped, but security is a lot more than packing heat.

False Security
January 25, 2012 4:24 pm

Possessing guns would only serve to create a feeling of false security and bravado. It wouldn’t really help if ch’vch there was an emergency. It would increase risk of accidient, risk of the wrong people getting hold of it, risk of use in the wrong circumstances, etc. Yankel Rosnbaum Hy”d was an expert in self-defense. He was doing a doctorate on the Holocaust, and felt that Jews should be able to defend themselves. ……… The Rebbe quoted many times that “we are day workers” (meaning that we have to deal with positive stuff). Let’s leave the security to the security… Read more »

Love it.
January 25, 2012 3:51 pm

I think that once the work gets out that the rabbi is packing it will get a lot quiter during his sermon

It's a no brainier
January 25, 2012 3:46 pm

And to those that will argue that they will be no match against well armed terrorists, at least they’ll have a fighting chance. Dozens of terrorist attacks in israel have been stoped by Israeli civilians armed with handguns

chabad in the idf
January 25, 2012 3:44 pm

there are well over 100 chevra many from crown heights who are currently serving or have served in the idf. we have our own army and a really good one.they can be organized and used to protect chabad houses in the u.s and abroad.there is what to talk about.

Judah warriors
January 25, 2012 3:29 pm

Comment 3, we no doubt have hashem on our side but dovid hamelech did arm his army, binayahu was a huge torah scholar and monumental warrior, your apparent lack of jewish history/jewish war history is only perpetuation the victim mentality.

Elchonon @ 1 and 2
January 25, 2012 2:56 pm

The boys in Nmb are lucky to have you on our side

The kids
January 25, 2012 2:40 pm

The problem is most Shluchim are busy 24/7 and not always concentrating on where their gun is. If a Shliach who is maybe not so responsible forgets where he left his gun and his kids find it later, the result could be tragic (C”V).

That's whaat I really like about the Russian immigrants.
January 25, 2012 2:36 pm

1)They know what a Nazi is.
2) They know how to deal with them.
3) Are willing to help other Jews by putting their money where there mouth is.Bolshoi Spacebo and A Groisse Yishar Koach!
Never again!
-Benveniste,Tsfat

tzippy
January 25, 2012 2:12 pm

This brings me back to my youth when the JDL (Jewish
Defense League) had their famous motto. A 22 FOR
EVERY JEW!

Blow the evil shtunks to All*h,just like they pray.
January 25, 2012 2:08 pm

Bs”d
Then and there they can receive the reward of 70 wives …that all look exactly like Usama Bin Ladin.
It’s halacha.

training at the kinus
January 25, 2012 2:06 pm

is a great idea, but – as any responsible gun carrying person knows – training needs to be ongoing, at least once a month. also, very important, is that gun safety training take place since a gun is an extremely dangerous around a house. also, shluchim’s wives need to carry weapons. many of them living in communities and where their husbands are out all day. think 20 years ago in Crown Heights…

Tzivos Hashem
January 25, 2012 1:59 pm

The army of Hashem uses better weapons than guns.

Elchonon Hellinger
January 25, 2012 1:34 pm

As far as the last line goes, I have stressed this hundreds of times, if a religious person defends himself with a gun and does so effectively, the word on the street will change, every time a religious person (at least outwardly) gets mugged or beaten, you portray us all as victims

Elchonon Hellinger
January 25, 2012 1:30 pm

Very right although not sure why this took so long, I have long advocated gun ownership and training.

If any shluchim in the state of florida want to learn to shoot or get the concealed license, contact me and i’ll arrange it free

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