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from flatbush
August 8, 2014 12:09 am

I think this is natural way of what happens with all communities in our generation. We can’t do anything about it

Love it
May 9, 2013 9:19 pm

I love when minorities show they are just as racist as those they cry about.

January 13, 2013 7:30 pm

25, 41, 80, 86, and the others talking about this being an opportunity from Hashem are the tzadikim here.

Oh come on
July 23, 2012 3:43 pm

Maybe you guys should start a pogrom. That’d solve all the outsiders coming in with their money and changing the socioeconomic culture.

I love Crown Heights
January 25, 2012 2:52 pm

and I find this “article” racist and insulting. You should be very careful what you ask, writer: “Why are we bringing in more outsiders with open hands?” Tables turn very quickly. We are all exiles, and holy, in the sight of God.

back when
January 25, 2012 2:42 pm

I lived in Crown Heights back in the 50s 60s we all lived in peace – Satmar, Spinka, Bobover, Lubavitch, Misnagdim, Conservative Jews, Reform Jews, Irish, Italian, Afro-Americans. It was America after the War. Now you want to bring back the fears from the shtetl, Minsk, Lodz – get your heads out of the Ghetto – mashiach is not happy about this one – I know

Non Jew Landlord
January 25, 2012 2:24 pm

And if I tried to keep Jews out of my properties, you’d be screaming about the discrimination. What hypocrites you people are!

American Citizen
January 25, 2012 1:58 pm

This is disgusting bigotry — you do not own your neighborhood. Religious bigotry is why we must demand that our government remain secular — God forbid these religious radicals start passing laws that support this ignorance.

Debora Crown Heights
January 25, 2012 1:08 pm

I live in Crown Heights, I am Jewish. And I am shocked and embarrassed at the comments here by fellow Jews. Did we learn nothing from the Holocaust? When I Agree 1005 writes, ” We have to do whatever we can to try to keep our neighborhood as holy and as pure as possible!” Does this remind no one of anything? Pure? Like Aryans? Thsi is NYC. This is America. When did we decide to be as xenophobic and hateful as those who have discriminated against us for over a 1000 years? The neighborhood does not belong to anyone. It… Read more »

to 111
January 25, 2012 2:35 am

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. You had someone help you write this time, but you can’t fool me. It is not as if I don’t agree with you, but trolling, which includes assuming a false identity to prove a point, is not acceptable.

It happens that I do agree with your fake persona and I am disgusted by this op-ed.

Reb Yid.
January 24, 2012 10:34 pm

I believe that most of the Lubavitch community disagree strongly with the author.

Most of us live with the belief of live and let live.

To #110
January 24, 2012 5:09 pm

Thanks so much!!!!
And you’re absolutely right- the many frum neighbors I do know personally are amazingly kind and wonderful people and I adore each and every one of them!

Discrimination is alive and well.
January 24, 2012 4:26 pm

And lives in Crown Heights.

Think about making a better life for yourself and your family, not hiding in fear of the real world.

January 24, 2012 4:04 pm

I’m white AND Jewish and I live in Crown Heights, where my non-religious Jewish family has lived for 60 years. If you want to call me a yuppie because I have a good job, make a decent living and live in a nice apt., go right ahead. It’s called EQUALITY in this country–people live where they want to live and how they want to live and it is ILLEGAL to discriminate against non-Jews or anyone else for that matter. Don’t forget–it is precisely YOUR BRAND of intolerance for other faiths, beliefs and values that causes people like Hitler to gain… Read more »

To #105
January 24, 2012 1:11 pm

I think we have different ideas about what constitutes a “troll.” I thought that a troll uses the cover of online anonymity to post inflammatory, insulting, or otherwise divisive comments. You have labelled me a “troll” because you imagine that I am writing in character or from the perspective of someone who does not share my background. Like, say, a novelist… In the meantime, your arguments for why I must be a Lubavitcher dredge up some nasty stereotypes, ie bad spelling. As we’re on the same page about not dismissing people by putting them into boxes, let’s recognize that this… Read more »

#105 is a troll's TROLL
January 24, 2012 12:58 pm

Go back to sleep #105 . Hey #98 don’t despair most of us have no problom with you at all. I won’t even bother to elaborate but just assume most commentators here have nothing to do and feel like belching on the airwaves so this is their outlet. They probably number fewer than you think. If you really live in CH and you really know your neighbors then you know what I mean. You likely have none of these “problems” with any of your Chabad neighbors. All are welcome here – this is chabad central after all! OH, for those… Read more »

To #101
January 24, 2012 12:02 pm

Thank you so much for your well thought out comment. I really appreciate your having taken the time to write to me. I by no means believe that every frum Crown Heights resident hates me, nor do I believe that every member of the community hates all non-religious and/or non-Jewish people. My words were ” SO MANY neighbors,” as in the so many people who used insulting language here or made assumptions about my behavior based on the actions of people I’ve never met. I live in the neighborhood. I interact with people. I understand as well as anyone that… Read more »

To #8
January 24, 2012 11:07 am

Your headline speaks a lot about your golus reality – wake up! AMERICA is NO different!

So glad I don't live in Crown Heights
January 24, 2012 7:43 am

So this is the type of bigots and racists you have become.

Hardly anyone is posting their name - mine is Michal
January 24, 2012 4:59 am

I don’t live in Crown Heights, not a Lubavitcher, but it seems to me that your problems could be easily solved if you live and let live.

Teach your children according to the laws of the Torah, perhaps make aliyah and pray for the best.

Kicking people out of your neighborhood will hold your kids in line until they accidentally leave the neighborhood and their eyes will open up – as did Adam and Eve’s.

It’s better to simply educate your children in your way – there is no insurance policy for any chasidut or family.

Troll zach nisht - #98
January 24, 2012 4:16 am

Everyone, 98 is a troll. Please note that the syntax of the post, several blatant misspellings, and the use of certain words are clear indications that the poster is from unzerer. I am poster 91/92, so it is not as if I am writing this to argue against the content. I’m a Web pro and I have zero patience for trolling even when I do agree with some or all of the troll’s message. If your point is so weak that you need to troll to make it, either let someone else do the posting or rethink your position. Trolls… Read more »

January 24, 2012 2:09 am

Class A stupidity. I like the new people moving into crown heights. If the area is booking more desirable it can only be of benefit to all of us.

I wanna wish a big Shalom Alaichem to anybody that comes in peace – be he a yid or a goy.

A Criwn Heights chabad girl
January 24, 2012 1:52 am

This op-Ed and most of the comments are disgusting!!! I am so embaressed as Lubavitcher that this was posted!! This is shocking on so many levels. After all the hate and discrimanation that we Jews have faced throughout our history and in crown heights we now wanna label an entire group of people (who are only a group in that their skin color is white and they don’t dress like us) and encourage not giving them equal opportunity to live where they want in the UNIUTED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! This is such a chillul Hashem! This is the Internet. You… Read more »

Florida Lawyer
January 23, 2012 11:22 pm

As an attorney who defended one of the largest recent fair housing discriminarion cases in Miami for more than three years in federal court (the case was closed only last week) all I can say is: be very very very careful.

As for COLLive, please review the ninth circuit court of appeals decision in “roommates” that addresses possible violations of the FHA through Internet postings.

For those who would like to address this matter further, I’m sure you can find my contact info.

Mendy H

Dear neighbor from comment #98
January 23, 2012 10:52 pm

First of all, please calm down. No one hates you. Really, no one hates you and you aren’t anybody’s enemy. You say you are an educated and moral inclined person, yet you were so quick to make a demeaning generalization of the whole Crown Heights Jewish community based on a few comments. I do not agree with what the op-ed has called for and I didn’t like what some comments have written, but that’s not the point. The discussion here is about residents of the United States wanting a quality of life. For others, quality would a suburb of Boston.… Read more »

it is abundantly simple:
January 23, 2012 9:54 pm

Whereas Williamsburg developers, management, and landowners develop and rent outside of the community as to maintain the standard of a Chasidishe Kehila, a number (not all) of ours do just the opposite. A) because they themselves are of the “cooler persuasion, and B) and this is important and cannot eb ignored: Lubavitchers and our own are very very difficult to deal with. the so called “yuppies” rent or lease legally and pay their brokers fee and rent ontime. they are clean and easy to deal with. when they are not the law is followed and takes care of it all.… Read more »

crown heights is blah
January 23, 2012 9:40 pm

sooo happy i dont live in ch omg
goooooo calis!!!!

Walk a Mile in My Shoes
January 23, 2012 9:40 pm

I’m a secular resident of Crown Heights. And I cried for several hours after I read this article. I had no idea that I was so deeply despised by so many neighbors I have never met, neighbors who will always hate me no matter what I do. My individual character is irrelevent to the discussion. One commenter went so far as to label me “white trash.” Nevermind that I would never in a million years sunbathe in plain sight of a school, regardless of the cultural background of its students. Nevermind that I would never in a million years be… Read more »

me too
January 23, 2012 9:25 pm

i’m also a real estate owner here and i welcome anyone who seems honest, has good background check and capable of paying rent. i’m not interested in a ghetto and welcome non-religious folks and non-jews. and i’d rather a clean, self-respecting and other-respecting clean-shaven guy over a bearded chassidishe guy whose aprtment attracts rodents and who will squat and owe me months rent who i have to “nebech” evict. i also welcome the bearded chassidim who are honest and clean and respectinful of others. so it’s not the bein odom lamokom that concerns me it is the bein odom lachavero,… Read more »

Complete and utter B.S.
January 23, 2012 8:32 pm

Remember that you live in the USA, not mea shaerim. You are in the land of the goyim, be grateful that they let you live your life and observe your religion. A few years ago, that would have been more than enough.

Now, not only do you have the nerve to decide that it’s “your” neighborhood, you now want to prevent anyone a bit different than yourself from living there. The attitude in this article is exactly what’s going to one day get you and your like minded people kicked out.

January 23, 2012 7:57 pm

It pains me to see supposedly righteous Jews expressing themselves in such intolerant and xenophobic ways.

What I saw on the street corner...
January 23, 2012 7:43 pm

These two white folks were standing there. I could hear them talking about tofu and then i saw one pass a small package of tofu to the other one. I just witnessed a tofu deal in our neighborhood! WHAT IS GOING ON HERE???

January 23, 2012 7:19 pm

agree…. wen and where we going??

Boon to Our Merchants
January 23, 2012 6:26 pm

The new residents will bring more money into our shechuna too. The nearest supermarket to Plex is Empire Kosher, so whenever someone runs out of something, that’s where they’ll go whether they eat kosher or not.

Kingston and Albany Ave merchants like all three Raskins,Mr. Green’s, Gombo’s, the chocolate shop, Mimulo etc will get plenty of new customers.

These customers don’t use food stamps or take things on credit. They pay in full with cash or a good credit card.

Change is For the Better
January 23, 2012 6:07 pm

1) The newcomers are forcing the trash out of the area. Better a suntanning party that you can ignore than a couple of drug deals gone bad and bullets ringing out that could hurt innocent bystanders. 2) I am going to guess that 15% of the newcomers are Jewish. We need to do hafatza and invite them to our homes, not chase them out of theirs. 3) We were never able to take over the whole area the way BP and Willy were because our young people often move away for shlichus. Those who don’t feel comfortable in the new… Read more »

January 23, 2012 6:04 pm

Eshel suppose to be for tishrei guests and they collected money for that purpose and now they made fancy hotel to attract these kind of people and they can’t discriminate they have to rent it to them

January 23, 2012 5:57 pm

instead of continually insulating yourselves why don’t you try to actually have a good influence. condemning those around you is not helpful for anyone, you are not being a good influence on your children, those around you…
do what the shluchim do, and look for the good!!!

FYI A crown heights resident
January 23, 2012 5:56 pm

Crown Heights used to be mostly white when the Lubavitch community was established in the 1940s just a little food for thought

Full of .....
January 23, 2012 5:53 pm

As a crown heights resident I am very happy that the ” yuppies” moving in. The real problem is not the kids going of the derech because if this was the case then no Chabad community in the world would have religiouse kids. Some off the best shulichim in the world are bought up multi-cultural communities. Goyim does not equal non frum kids. The real worry for this “landlord” that these yuppies will expose the grim reality that crown heights is no longer a haven for frum bums who refuse to get a real job and face responsibility of supporting… Read more »

January 23, 2012 5:49 pm

Let me get this straight. The rebbe mhm told us to pursue the shevah mitzvos bnei noach. As many will not go far to pursue this, the eibishter is delivering potential customers via hashgocha protis ito our lap, granted that they may behave in ways we try to avoid but this is what we are here to change. And yet people complain and try to make others wrong instead of going out to try to influence the world with the light of torah? Is all we can do hide and complain? Is this what the rebbe mhm taught us? Kher… Read more »

January 23, 2012 5:42 pm

The laws that protect Jews from discrimination in this country protect young professinals, too. You can’t have it both ways! How would we like it if nobody would want to rent to shluchim because it would change the neighborhood? We benefit from a free society, a society where discrimination is ILLEGAL!

Satmar model won't work
January 23, 2012 2:42 pm

1. Even this letter was anonymous. You propose that we all go out and harass these new residents out of the neighborhood. That requires a unity and means of enforcement that we don’t have. I, for one, would not agree with any extreme (or illegal) methods. 2. Your battle with the economic reality is a foregone conclusion; it can result only in new chilul haShem. We have enough of that as it is. 3. You take pride in foregoing the rent premium these people would pay. I have another suggestion: donate the difference to help struggling parents with tuition and… Read more »

January 23, 2012 2:04 pm

lets all act mature and help out and join this guy who wants the best for our community , Rabosai, dont you see what he is saying is for our benefit, he is right our neighberhood should be expanding gwith jews not with goyim

From the author of the op-ed:
January 23, 2012 1:41 pm

I am in no way saying to discriminate. I feel that if we work together we can have condos that are a tad less fancy yet more affordable. In addition we should be using frum sites like COL etc. to post apartments. I do not have any concrete ideas of how to solve the issue of rising unaffordable rents and unfair rental practices to our own community, however if you are willing to work in unity and in respectful manner to discuss this issue and perhaps get a committee to work on this, feel free to email [email protected]. You need… Read more »

January 23, 2012 1:21 pm

Start a group to help crown heights residents pay the rent and landlords will be happy to rent to them over yuppies. Landlords need to pay their bills, if local residents do not want ti or can not pay it, they need to do what they must.

January 23, 2012 1:21 pm

Maybe it’s Hashem’s will that goyim and secular Jews move to the neighborhood so that you have the opportunity to show them chassidut and do some kiruv.

we're not living in a ghetto, but
January 23, 2012 1:11 pm

we have to remember that each circumstance is different…. in other frum Jewish communities there are also outside influences loud & strong-ie. Los Angeles where billboards and neighbors portray a lifestyle so foreign to ours. Notwithstanding that, B”H people have had the siyata d’shmaya to raise very fine and wholesome families (they must have had built very strong, loving homes). But this case is different! Crown Heights is not just another neighborhood. It’s where the Rebbe has declared ‘kan tzivah Hashem es habrocha”, the Rebbe’s shchuna etc. should have a higher standard of living! Crown Heights is a place that… Read more »

number 42, WAKE UP;
January 23, 2012 1:10 pm

Yes, you had better wake up. Don’t you see what is going on in this neighborhood already???The tznius is almost non existant, we are at a critically vulnerable stage in our own circles and having a bunch of yuppys is for sure going to make things a billion times worse. Don’t kid yourself and try to make it okay, because it’s absolutely not!!!! The owner of the plex building is affiliated with b & h. Perhaps they should be told that they will be boycotted if they don’t try to accomodate the type of people befitting our neighborhood. Yes, we… Read more »

Or, instead of complaining
January 23, 2012 12:38 pm

you can make Aliyah and live in proper closed communities. Dear god – you’re in New York! Get over it. You chose the big apple/big world/west, live with it or move here.

Oy Gevalt!!!
January 23, 2012 12:17 pm

Will there really be bike lanes? How disgusting! We need to shelter out children from exercise and pritzus.
Next time I am sun bathing I will make sure to look around and see if there are any peeping toms like you around

Mass Migration:
January 23, 2012 11:36 am

I think we should all pack our bags and start small communities all over Eretz Yisroel. Mass Aliya.
Moshiach now!!!!!!!

January 23, 2012 11:35 am

This is the saddest funniest thing I’ve ever read in my life…
You’re saying you should kick educated people out who can afford rent, and not that you need to educate your youth so they can get a job, other then at 1saleaday…
This is the saddest thing I’ve ever seen out of your insane neighborhood. Wow…
Of course your religion will fall if this is how you react to natural evolution that takes place in any environment. WOW!!!

Who do you think you are?
January 23, 2012 11:21 am

I’m sorry but this does not seem right. Who are you to have the right to decide who moves when and where? Your religious beliefs are yours and yours only! You have no right deciding/effecting who you want and don’t want moving into Crown Heights. If you have a problem you have to live with it like the rest of the people in this country. You are NOT special!
This ideology only spreads prejudice and hate, there is enough of that in this country already, you don’t have to make it worse.

A radical idea
January 23, 2012 11:06 am

I have a crazy and radical suggestion. How about encouraging young adults to get an education and pursue a decent career so they can afford these same apartments instead of asking for help with the prices? I won’t even go near the insanity of posting an article like this on a public website. You’re just begging for a whole host of discrimination lawsuits and you’d deserve them too.

January 23, 2012 10:57 am

so why don’t frum yidden rent in the apartments on crown/nostrand and mont/nostrand that are looking for people to rent there- the non-jewish super is awesome in crown/nostrand (he knows how to fix anything)

Chabad imploding.
January 23, 2012 10:54 am

As one who has been around Chabad for forty years as a baal teshuvah I see Chabad imploding on many fronts ,I have not been to C.H in ten years but even then it was not the same with all the partitions in 770 and all the crazy Mashicists .I now see Kollels opening up and taking away many congregants from Chabad who are seeking some normalcy and less drama and more learning .Yes I still go to Chabad but I see what’s going on and I hope the leadership wakes up .Also C.H is not Jerusalem or even Tel… Read more »

the plex
January 23, 2012 9:58 am
It's food for thought
January 23, 2012 9:22 am

The alter rebbe wanted the russians to win over Napoleon even though that meant more physical hardship for yidden…

Too big a risk
January 23, 2012 8:02 am

If it becomes known that Crown Heights Jewish landlords discriminate, they will become rich pickings for lawyers. The landlords will end up paying damages sufficient to pay the tenants’ rent for a year and for their lawyers to spend winter in Bermuda!

jewish neighbors vs. goyish neighbors
January 23, 2012 7:29 am

We had goyishe neighbors they respected us and we got along then we got Jewish neighbors and suffice to say life is complicated…

to 39
January 23, 2012 6:02 am

why do the jews charge more? If a jew and a non-jew charge the same – then i will buy by the jew (even if he is a longer walk) but if the jew is more expensive for no reason – then i will support the non-jew. Being jewish is no reason to overpay. Same with food.

Ive been hearing this ad nauseum
January 23, 2012 3:13 am

The goyim here that rape, destroy, vandalize and kill are not the problem. The real problem is the well behaved yuppies who say good morning and are well behaved and actually care about the neighborhood. Wake up you don’t live in a ghetto and if you have to deal with goyim let it be nice ones you dont have to worry about killing

January 23, 2012 12:58 am

“what Satmar is doing” is not posting chilul hashem racist disregard the law articles online.
They have leadership in their community so they don’t decide everything’s kosher to make another buck.

January 23, 2012 12:49 am

A great opportunity for Crown Heightsers to get into the Hafatzah in your own backyard mode

Is this a joke?
January 23, 2012 12:23 am

I’m not sure of the author is joking or serious. Does the author prefer having hi/her children mugged, robbed, and beaten, rather than having white yuppies as neighbors? Would he rather have continued shootings on the streets each night than decent non-Jewish neighbors who’s dress code might not mach that of the shulchan aruch? Is it better to have bikes and cars stolen than to have a nice bar in the neighborhood? Our community will never be 100% Jewish there will be gentiles living among us for as long as we live here. I’m just happy the newest wave of… Read more »

lllegal and stupid
January 23, 2012 12:14 am

What you are suggesting here is illegal. I really have nothing else to write, this article is pathetic

January 23, 2012 12:10 am

tho it may be worse in some cases, wont it make the area safer to have more white people to gentrify the area and push the crimey elements out of town?

January 23, 2012 12:03 am

1) It’s simple WE need to revisit what the REBBE said and DO exactly that I am sure that there’s a legal way to follow the REBBE’S orders. 2) the fact that we have Tznius issues from inside the community doesn’t mean that we need to compound that problem, it can very easily lead to inter marriage Ch’V. 3) Yes the fact that Jewish renters and landlords in certain cases don’t treat each other right needs to be fixed but the answer to that isn’t to invite Park Slope to move in. Hopefully there’e going to be a turn for… Read more »

raise the rent and higher the prices for houses
January 22, 2012 11:54 pm

it’s clear that crown heights as we know it is changing rapidly.
young lubavs can’t afford it. it’s become a rich man’s place. funny, the rebbe envisioned something completely different. houses are being sold for prices 5 to 10 times what they are worth and rents for matchbox spaces is just ridiculous. if your old and bought a house when it was 50,000 good for you the rest of us….

Affordable rentals and homes
January 22, 2012 11:34 pm

Real issue is that so many families in Crown Heights can not afford to move from their crowded conditions to better accommodations. Affordable rentals, condos or homes do not sit long enough on market to be rented or sold to “outsiders”

Same Sad Story
January 22, 2012 11:09 pm

Unfortunately, as was posted above, frummer Yidden can make the lousiest tenants. My friend, who owns a house here, rented the 1st floor to a goy & the basement to a freier Yid because she couldn’t find anyone here with a steady job or income. Also, as someone posted above, frummer Yidden often make the most unreasonable demands. The only reason I got my apartment was because someone at the last minute dangled the lease in front of my landlord, refusing to sign it until a big renovation was made (he wasn’t legally required). She thought she could force him… Read more »

January 22, 2012 11:00 pm

I realize the need for the bottom line, but come on, the word “no” is very simple, very short, and it packs a powerful meaning…..let them know they are not welcome in CH

making our own problems
January 22, 2012 10:37 pm

We make our own problems by advertising in places that atract these people instead of frum families. one agent told me he doesnt want to bother with lubavichers. how sad that we bedavka are running after goyim. my child has two goyishe kids in the class. i asked the teacher and she heard that the parents bought a new condo here from a lubav. how sad.

Keep the Chabad headquarters true!
January 22, 2012 10:34 pm

Look, they have African American, Hispanic, Russian, and Asian neighborhoods. We should have one too. It’s a testimony to the diversity of New York, and if we were all a milkshake, it would just be another place. What do you say SENATOR? 🙂

If you care...
January 22, 2012 10:01 pm

Bitterness will not get us anywhere. Neither will sarcasm, hot-headedness or rash behavior. We are a community who, has chosen to live here because this is where the Frierdiker Rebbe, b’hashgacha protis, saw it fit to settle; where the Rebbe continued to encourage us to settle and where we try to keep kahn tziva Hashem es habracha alive and well. If you care about our neighborhood, please do not direct spite and negativity at its innocent inhabitants. If you care about our neighborhood, don’t waste your precious time writing unproductive comments on websites. If you care, DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE, PRODUCTIVE,… Read more »

Rabbanim need to get involved
January 22, 2012 9:58 pm

What’s worse-yuppies or drug dealers?
There is a trend in Crown Heights that one landlord will see that someone else is getting a higher rent than them and will then raise their rent. Jewish landlords, maybe through the Rabbanim, need to set a guidelines on how much rent can be charged to anash.

January 22, 2012 9:57 pm

it looks like it is the right time to go on shlichus

Hashgocho Protis
January 22, 2012 9:54 pm

They are here so they can be taught the sheva mitzvos bnei Noach.

Why not move to Detroit?
January 22, 2012 9:37 pm

Houses are cheap here. There are good schools and a thriving frum community and lots of opportunities. The Rebbe did not want us to stay in a ghetto.

trash talk
January 22, 2012 9:35 pm

Personally I find them all a breath of fresh air!

Think long and deep into what the OpED is all about and you’ll see. One disgruntled neighbor craoking about sun bathing. Give me a break – I bet these are our kids – guaranteed – some of us have totally put our heads way deep in the sand.

I Agree 100%
January 22, 2012 9:33 pm

We have to do whatever we can to try to keep our neighborhood as holy and as pure as possible! Or at least to prevent it from getting worse than it is! Just think of it, when the shluchim come in for convention, they look forward to being in a special, heilige environment which is much more pure than what they are constantly exposed to all year round. We must do all we can to preserve that. To #8: This is not a matter of being close minded. This is the Rebbe’s community. If someone davka wants to mix with… Read more »

13 is right..
January 22, 2012 9:24 pm

and guess what? anyone can live whever they want. there si nothing we can do tt stop them.

Pure Stupidity from Chefmeke
January 22, 2012 8:43 pm

So let me guess if one of your children didn’t dress up to the standards of crown heights you would be among the front runners of Crown Heights shooing them out?! The reason we loose so many of our young ones is because of people like you. Close minded people whose only solution to a problem is to isolate the person like a disease. These people are not a disease they are our people. They are mikaravim, they are our children, our friends children, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking this up let alone right the… Read more »

wake up - this may be a blessing
January 22, 2012 8:27 pm

#8 touched on a very important point. What do Shluchim do when thety move out of town? yeh yeh, i know many are right away saying the Rebbe protects them. well the Rebbe will protect those living in Kan tzivah.. that said, there’s another obvious thing that occurs on shlichus. The parents and the kids know that they are differrent. they stand for something more. how do you think the kids know?? because their parents teach them that at every opportunity. and the parents learn that with extra chassidus they are hoepfully learning. so when they go out, they are… Read more »

A landlord
January 22, 2012 8:19 pm

Not interested in getting into the right/wrong debate but will share a story for others to consider. I looked to rent an apt to community members once. After sitting on it vacant for a couple of weeks I mentioned to the neighbors that once I hit 6 weeks without taking in some rent to cover the mortgage, I am going to be forced to cast a wider net and look to some secular sites to see who else might be interested in renting this apartment. After another two weeks of not hearing back from the neighbors I posted and got… Read more »

ch realtor
January 22, 2012 8:11 pm

if you dont post on craigslist, sublet.com and other trash sites then you want have an issue with discrimination . simple as that . And also you will have the apartment rented to a wonderful frum couple. simple as that. WE MAKE OUR OWN PROBLEMS

capitalism kool aid
January 22, 2012 8:09 pm

The reality is that frum Jews have little loyalty to each other. When I lived in CH and tried to get a section 8, I was told there were non available, yet someone with connections got it without a problem. Rent today for kolel yungerleit is almost $1000 for a badly kept up one bedroom apt. The problem is that frumkeit is all about bein odom lamokom, bein odom lachaveiro is out the window, unless it’s specifically tezdakah. For the most part, frum yidden have drunk the capitalist Kool Aid, and subscribe to supply and demand market forces. In truth… Read more »

a resident
January 22, 2012 8:08 pm

Eshel and basil have what they want fancy accomodation and fancy restaurant

a rebbi in OT
January 22, 2012 8:06 pm

rabbi lustig put up paper on the windows of the classrooms since last summer there was a nice party on one of the rooftops on lincoln place . it was clearly visible for the kids to see. I drove around the block and saw a lubav coming out of house, HE WAS RENTING TO THESE GOYIM . COULDNT HE GET FRUM TENANTS. lincoln is not far. many poeple would rent from him . How sad is this getting.

Aizehu chacham Haroeh es Hanolad
January 22, 2012 8:05 pm

Instead of thinking about your immediate monetary gain, THINK also about your children”s future many steps down the line! VDa”l

a mother in the heights.,
January 22, 2012 8:03 pm

is is not discrimination that these lubavitch real tors only want to these goyim since they so dont want to ”BOTHER” with their own community ? that is a point to consider

Listen to this
January 22, 2012 8:01 pm

I am a teacher at a local preschool program and this year we go two new kids in the class. THEY ARE NOT JEWISH AND BRING TREIF TO SCHOOL ? Does any one care I asked the mother how they landed in crown heighs she said she saw an ad on CRAIGSLIST for a new condo on lefferts next to fanmily dollar and bought it. WHY WASNT THIS POSTED ON COL IF A LUBAVITCHER BUILT THE CONDOS????????????????

January 22, 2012 7:57 pm

Crown Heightser who don’t pay their rent, “es Kumt mir” on time make it extremely tempting to rent to people that will pay rent on time.
The 2 and 3 family homeowners are paying mortgages, taxes, insurance, heat and utilities, must get their rent in a timely fashion. They are not Tzedaka funds but are homeowners with responsibilies to fulfill.

#16, the shulchon oruch says differently
January 22, 2012 7:52 pm

The halocho REQUIRES us to discriminate in favor of our own, so we have no right to obey any law that says otherwise. Learn the Rebbe’s sichos from the ‘lameds on this subject. The Rebbe was very clear that it is forbidden al pi halocho to sell to the element that was moving in and destroying the neighborhood. As chassidim the Rebbe’s word is the law. However your advice is well taken that one must take legal advice in order to try to avoid being caught breaking the law.

The Face Of Lubavitch Is the Face Of The World
January 22, 2012 7:52 pm

It is the same problem with us having our own “yuppies” as part of the community.

Daniel Botnick
January 22, 2012 7:44 pm

This is a well thought out proposal and it can be executed within the law (as Reshimas haBatim might not have been}. That said, it would require a major effort by affluent yungleit to bring it to fruition.

January 22, 2012 7:40 pm

your kids must be under 8 years old. Wait till YOU have to worry about your kids, and relatives, going to bars, and suntanning roofs, etc. You seem to be looking at this from a very benign standpoint, like if its not affecting you today, maybe its not so bad. That is lacking foresight, which yidden always valued, and the Rebbe was so incredible about. We may be high profile and mix with yuppies and politicians, but we are JEWS, get it straight. Thats what we’re here for….for the Rebbe and Torah. I hope those values are still priority by… Read more »

January 22, 2012 7:39 pm


home owner
January 22, 2012 7:35 pm

I’m not wealthy, I own a house and yes, I don’t rent nor want to rent to yidden. Yidden come and start bargaining the price, they come with kids and tell you its too small or never move out so your place is a wreck, they complain about everything–maybe switch countertop to granite, maybe break this wall, maybe paint….goyim come with credit report in hand practically begging to be your tenant….so there, why on earth would I rent to yidden? I’m not wealthy and rely on this rent , as to ur other points ie bars etc, you have a… Read more »

hold on a sec.....
January 22, 2012 7:35 pm

I see these yuppies too and I thought they were just replacing the ‘other type’ of undesirables which I thought was s good thing! I come from London where we are used to living amongst goyim and learnt from a young age to turn our heads away and say b”h I was born a Jew!

we need the yuppies
January 22, 2012 7:33 pm

without them we cannot be mekayem what it says in kuntres hoavoda be happy that you have a nissayon and you have the power to withstand it

January 22, 2012 7:29 pm

without your name your artticle is worthless….what are you worried about…you are a coward. your idea is correct, buit it infuriates me when you hide behind your words…dont pen if you cant sign your name.

the rebbe
January 22, 2012 7:28 pm

I remember on yud bais tammuz 5745 the rebbe spoke by a farbrengen about building affordable housing for large families. They did it in kfar chabad, but nothing was done
it crown heights. Do you believe that something will be done now?

right on!
January 22, 2012 7:17 pm

vey well said!!!
and why is everyone so concerned about who wrote what?!?
the point is the message- who cares who wrote it!

Discriminating Against Blacks and Jews
January 22, 2012 7:14 pm

Well it is also discrimination when they only bring whites that’s against the fair housing laws TOO,

Are we here just for the money???
Where is the chasidus and all the rebbes teachings?
this young Realtors are the Problem

it's not discriminating
January 22, 2012 7:12 pm

what he is trying to say is don’t intentionally post apartment listings on craigslist, rather on COL, you have tons of options.

There are plenty of yidden looking for apartments, but dont try to make ch into a “trendy” up and coming neighborhood.

Yes, there is an issue with tznius here, but will it REALLY help to bring in people who foster that descent in chassidishkeit??

Its very sad that people are so driven by money these days, and for a couple more dolars they’d rather rent to non jewish people

Did anyone say "where's out leadership" yet?
January 22, 2012 7:06 pm

Let’s make this clear once and for all: Forget our leadership because they sure forgot you!

There is not leadership. The rabbonim are busy fighting with themselves as if someone cares, the vaad hakohol is broke and incompetent, the mosdos only cares about themselves, so who is left? oh, us, people!

Stop building hopes. Sadly, there is no chance for CH to ever shape up. You want a good community, good chinuch and environment? move out and move on! I’m sure the Rebbe is shepping so much nachas by all the selfish people living in this community.

January 22, 2012 6:57 pm

It seems like that these yuppies have a sweet tooth. I have seen them many times on my way to night seder in gombos licking donuts and going on to do other things. Its disgusting that they do this.

Discrimination is against the law
January 22, 2012 6:51 pm

And not only that, the “young professionals” have the money!

Be Careful
January 22, 2012 6:50 pm

Whatever is done, be very careful that it fully complies with the law. Remember that in most situations it is illegal to refuse to rent or sell to someone based on their religion, race, gender and whether or not they have children. (For rentals, there may be a few exceptions for small, owner-occupied buildings.) As a people who far too often have been the victims of disrimination, we must make sure we fully comply with anti-discriminatin laws when it comes to the sale and rental of property. Please consult with a competent lawyer. In many states it is illegal for… Read more »

Kan Tzivah Hashem Es Habrochah!
January 22, 2012 6:49 pm

Well said. Thank you!

well said!!
January 22, 2012 6:45 pm

I agree.

What if...
January 22, 2012 6:37 pm

those so called ‘yuppies’ tanning on roofs are really our own children?

Be careful!
January 22, 2012 6:33 pm

You could get into a LOT of trouble if you discriminate regarding who you rent or sell to.

young family
January 22, 2012 6:31 pm

we should not post on craigslist only o COL . thats how we make sure not to get white trash mixed in here .This place is getting worse and worse. We need to strenthen our community . LEADERS WHERE ARE YOU ??????? RABONIM WHERE ARE YOU??????????

young mama
January 22, 2012 6:25 pm

tell our community council to help us pay rent !!!!!!

Thank you!
January 22, 2012 6:23 pm

you’re 100% percent right and i applaud you as a Landlord to be able to look past the easy income and feel a responsibility to our community.
THank you, I hope you get a committee together.
As a homeowner down near Maple street I fully support you!!

January 22, 2012 6:22 pm

Yes, ina perfect world our kids would only be exposed to what we can custom make….BUT THIS IS THE REAL WORLD….Since when does free market business pause for the religious beliefs of people? That is very shallow and close minded of you….we live in New York City….what do you think the shluchim think when they move to campus shlichus?….we do not live in a perfect world…people are welcome to buy whatever land they want and build wherever they want…..

more info
January 22, 2012 6:16 pm

please post you name and contact information so we can make this happen.
or is this just another op-ed

very well said
January 22, 2012 6:13 pm

why don’t you sign your name?

January 22, 2012 6:02 pm

unless you’re willing put a name to the letter, it is a waste of time and mind space.

renting to lubabs
January 22, 2012 5:58 pm

Yuppies also bring the rent up – a one bedroom to yuppies can rent for much more, making the rents go higher and this in effect results in higher rent for everyone – lubab couples too.

A resident
January 22, 2012 5:58 pm

This is excellent idea. Everybody can testify to this fact that these goyims are invading this neighborhood and some people built fancy hotel and restaurant for them in by the bank across from 770 to cater to their needs

January 22, 2012 5:50 pm

Wait !! abt pritzus what abt all the pritzus that comes from the “frum” young ladies the way they dress on the streets & ur concerned abt the pritzus from the yuppies ? 1st deal with that 1st u don’t even need 2 worry abt the yuppies.

Our neighborhood
January 22, 2012 5:44 pm

It’s about time someone addressed this. But, for some reason no one said anything when Basil opened their doors for the purpose of attracting Yuppies. I wonder the reason for that.