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Rabbi Osdoba: We Are Searching For a Third Rov

Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba, Rov of the Beis Din of Crown Heights, says a search has begun to find a "worthy figure" that will fill the void left by Rabbi Yaacov Schwei OBM who passed away this past month. Full Story

Rabbi Schwei OBM (left) with Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Braun

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Within the 30 days
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Within the 30 days

Can we wait after the 30 days to talk about a replacement?

Within the 30 days
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Within the 30 days

Sensitivity for the family

A respectful human being.
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A respectful human being.

Rabbi Levi Garelik.would be a great choice.

Dr. Binyomin Nemon
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Dr. Binyomin Nemon

Rabbi Garelik has my vote too.

Vaad hakohol
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Vaad hakohol

The vaad hakohol wouldn’t let him be rav…

one problem
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one problem

we need someone that actually knows how to pasken and also will not demand a 3 year salary of 250k deposited into a secured account

Incorrect
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Incorrect

Rabbi Garelik has been paskening my Sha’alos for many years and never asked me for a penny.

Additionally, a rov is not a money making business and even if it was there’s not enough money in the world that would make it worth it for anyone to become a Rov.

What we need is Ba’ale Batim that understand that a Rov is someone who is given over Lev V’nefesh to the community and gives up his ability to enjoy life so he can serve the community.

Resident
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Resident

Dear friends , I just took a look at the campaign to support the rav’s family and the causes he supported . We need to raise at least 50 thousand . We can do better for the rav who gave us years of his life . Please help ! Just my own personal opinion

link?
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link?

whats the link to donate?

Donate
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Donate
Good idea
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Good idea

But why are they collecting money on the streets , and not getting money from the CHJCC, is there a big hole in the CHJCC where the money that comes in gets lost ?

Yes
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Yes

Yes

Elections
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Elections

We haven’t had elections in CH I over 10 years. I think it’s time. 770 needs new leadership and we need a new rov.

New vaad hakohol too
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New vaad hakohol too

Long overdue…

Rabbi Segal
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Rabbi Segal

Why not simply reinstate Rabbi Segal. He was voted in already

L’matah
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L’matah

We need someone young, who can speak English fluently and relate to the majority of the kehila.

doesn't need to be young per se
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doesn't need to be young per se

agree with the other things you write
must be able to bring achdus, Yiddishe & Chassidishe pride and involvement with younger generation as well as older and everyone in between

Rabbi SHUCHAT would be great
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Rabbi SHUCHAT would be great

He has my vote

I hope
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I hope

I hope this will be a democratically elected process and not the rabonim appointing a rav on their own
the Rebbe clearly said there should be elections

Agreed 100%
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Agreed 100%

Rabbi Nota Kuperman has answers from the Rebbe on this matter, which was written to Rabbi Zirkind a”h circa 1986.

If anyone is interested please reach out to him directly for clear Horaos from the Rebbe on this topic of selecting a Rov in n Crown Heights.

Please
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Please

Reb Yitzchok Chanuka

We already have a third rov in town
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We already have a third rov in town

Rabbi Shea Werner!

There are many rabbis in town
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There are many rabbis in town

Not all are on the beis din

He has to be elected first
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He has to be elected first

He can’t just automatically be considered the third Rov without being elected. Let him run and we’ll see if he gets elected. There has to be a process

Please No
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Please No

He should have been a good candidate if he would have waited his turn, Not just spring him self on us and put out flyers every week like he is the new Rav in CH with out talking to the current rabbis, we had enough of machlokos, please don’t add a new one to the list . good things come to people who wait, not to people like him !

Vaad hakohol
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Vaad hakohol

The vaad hakohol would never let that happen he knows too much and is too sharp

I found him
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I found him

Rabbi Telzner Melbourne Australia!

Rabbi telsner
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Rabbi telsner

Took over for his shver. How could he simply leave Melbourne?

Rabbi Telsner
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Rabbi Telsner

He would be the best pick!

Rabbi Werner
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Rabbi Werner

Rabbi Werner is a big talmid chacham and was a rav in Detroit for many years and he recenly moved to Crown Heights. Why not elect him? He would do an amazing job.

There are many reasons
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There are many reasons

ואיך כאן המקום להאריך בדבר

Community
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Community

It should not be up to the rov to decide it should be up to the crown heights community!

Agreed 100%
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Agreed 100%

Rabbi Nota Kuperman has answers from the Rebbe on this matter, which was written to Rabbi Zirkind a”h circa 1986.

If anyone is interested please reach out to him directly for clear Horaos from the Rebbe on this topic of selecting a Rov in n Crown Heights.

Please state the horaos from the rebbe
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Please state the horaos from the rebbe

Please state the horaos from the rebbe on this. I seem to remember he spoke in fabrengen about it too

for the record
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for the record

Rabbi Osdoba did not say he is or the rabanim are deciding who will be rav. He sais they are considering who are suitable candidates.

Hmm
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Hmm

If this will be a fair process, shouldn’t the people decide who are the suitable candidates?

It's rabbonus
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It's rabbonus

It’s not state senator. Look in hilchos dayanus for more clarification on the qualifications necessary, and that’s only the beginning. The rabbonim have to determine that any candidate has the requisite qualifications and practical experience. People can decide who they like and prefer, but people cannot just decide that someone is qualified to be a rov. This should be easy to understand.

Come
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Come

Why are they looking for a new Rov in the supermarket in the meat section?

Ftw
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Ftw

Best comment here!

...because he has to meat the criteria.
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...because he has to meat the criteria.

Being a rov is no simple feat.
He must be able to cope in a cold sometimes frigid environment.
He must maintain his energy even when he is surrounded by dead animals.
He must be noticeable and stick out.
The packaging must be nice and of course he has to be fresh.
He has to be kosher lmehadrin with lubavitch shechita.

thats all for now

LOL !!!
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LOL !!!

Hahahahaha!!! VERY funny!!!

LOL !!!
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LOL !!!

Hahahahaha very funny!!

picture
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picture

its a picture of all 3 rabonim obvialsy Rabbi schwi in ot with us today

Hahaha
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Hahaha

Funny

Take him
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Take him

Rabbi telzner is perfect!

Pls find the best that is loyal to CH women
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Pls find the best that is loyal to CH women

Pls find a Rov that can help CH with Shalom Bais and Chinuch and loyal to CH families and CH women

a bochur
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a bochur

I think rabbi Tayar from Melbourne Australia!

YAKNAHAZ
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YAKNAHAZ

NO GHEZER ROV AS THAT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT, WE NEED SOMEONE WHO HAS THE CHARISMA AND AUTHORITY, HAS NEVER BEEN MIRED IN CONTRAVERSY, AND COMMANDS RESPECT NOT JUST IN CROWN HEIGHTS BUT AROUND THE WORLD.

Rav Kahn from Paris, France
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Rav Kahn from Paris, France

Would be perfect.

Happened already
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Happened already

If i remember correctly I think rabbi schwei was gez’

Indeed
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Indeed

Rabbi shwei is from geza chassidei chabad. Agav, Rabbi shweis rebbetzin tzu lange gezunte yohren, has not lubavitch family. I happen to know some of them, from a very choshuve family in Toronto and Lakewood. They were michabed harav shwei with brochos under the chuppah and with speaking during events. He was 10000% respected amongst big rabbonim and roshei yeshiva and lomdim from all walks of life. Once, a misnagdishe rov was doing a chuppah for this family and saw the they were giving brocho achrinta to r schwei. The rov hamesader asked one of the family members of r… Read more »

Rabbi Noach bernstein
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Rabbi Noach bernstein

After Reb zalman shimon Dworkin passes away the Rebbe wanted Rabbi bernstein to take over the position.
Being humble he declined the honour
Maybe today would be different
I vote him
A true chassis Ans Talmud torah

Rabbi Berenstein ran KAJ (Breuers)
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Rabbi Berenstein ran KAJ (Breuers)

I remember that when Rabbi Berenstein ran KAJ (Breuers) all Lubavitchers ate Breuers (as did all frum people)

Hereditary..
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Hereditary..

Doesn’t Halachah say that when a Rav passes away, if he has a suitable son, he should take over…

R Feitel Levin of Australia
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R Feitel Levin of Australia

a great choice for Rov. A world class gaon and posek and expert on medical and technology related Halacha.
Talmid of R Nissan Nemanov.
A humble but strong chossid and ish halacha.

R Feitel Levin of Australia
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R Feitel Levin of Australia

World class gaon and posek esp on medical and technological issues.
Past community Rov, Posek for Kashrus and Rosh Yeshiva-Semicha.
Choizer and author.
Talmid of R Nissan Nemanov.
A humble but strong chossid a d ish halacha.
Speaks an articulate English, Hebrew and Yiddish.

RABBI KUPERMAN
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RABBI KUPERMAN

WE WANT RABBI KUPERMAN. The rav of the Besht shul. Very down to earth man.

Rav
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Rav

They are looking in the market place for some chicken to be the new rav

Rav hagohen Yoram ulman
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Rav hagohen Yoram ulman

Rav ulman Sydney Australia
Young, charismatic, contemporary ,
Brilliant, has my vote

He has his community and life in Australia
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He has his community and life in Australia

why would he want to put himself in a position of abuse? Although I would be thrilled if it happened

He's already the Rov for half of CH
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He's already the Rov for half of CH

Probably doesn’t need to move

HaGoan HaRav Shuchat for RAV!
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HaGoan HaRav Shuchat for RAV!

Rav Shuchat is a Goan and should be on the Beis Din Tzedek of CH. He is well known and respected throughout the hareidi velt and sits on the Agudas Harabbonim. And he is PRO ERUV.

Just clearing things up
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Just clearing things up

So he went against the beis din of the town. Completely disregarding the morei deasrah, and we should respect him?! Sorry no way!!

I vote for:
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I vote for:

Rabbi chain meir aisenbach
He’s a true gaon of this generation
I think hes 50% gezh

Rabbi Levi Garelik שי׳
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Rabbi Levi Garelik שי׳

It is true that Rabbi Garelik is real smart, and therefore he knows he’s not interested in this position. He is not looking for the koved or the aggravation that comes along with it.

Rebbe's wishes
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Rebbe's wishes

The Rebbe wanted elections..

Rabbi Bluming Great Candidate!
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Rabbi Bluming Great Candidate!

Son in law of Rabbi Heller Shlita

Rabbi Bluming Great Candidate!
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Rabbi Bluming Great Candidate!

Rabbi Bluming Great Candidate!

Son in law of Rabbi Heller Shlita

Its important to know
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Its important to know

That while many of the qualities mentioned are important it is equally important that the 3rd person be someone that will complete the beis din, so that all 3 will work together side by side… each with their unique personality and respecting each other.

Don't make the same mistake again!!
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Don't make the same mistake again!!

The rebbe wanted elections for rabbonim.
When the rabbinim were first elected who decided if they were “worthy” candidate?

Does the av beis din own the beis din?

A great mistake was made in crown heights when rabbi shvei was made the only canidate running unopposed, in effect a vote for or against was the only option.

That is not even a Communist election.

In order to have legitamcy there must be fair and open elections.

I think this is kind of disrespectful
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I think this is kind of disrespectful

firstly like some mentioned give 30 days The other thing to consider is that the rabbonim forsure want a 3rd person. They are overloaded. But right now everyone is in isolation and we need to get through this crisis. When things settle down then there could be elections Furthermore please be respectful to rabbs braun and osdoba Firstlt they are mourning the loss of rabbi schwei they are overwhelmed with problems and shaalos right now In order to choose a rov they need to speak to each other They need to reach out to potential individuals who will need to… Read more »

Opening Picture
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Opening Picture

Do they plan on making chopped meat out of the new Rabbi??

R' Meir
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R' Meir

who says it has to be a lubavitcher? Rabbi piekarski wasnt and nor was rabbi hendel. The rebbes shechuna is crying out for a godol b’yisroel, someone whose stature in the torah world not only commands respect but whose psak din is respected world wide, who when he walks into a shul people stand up, and is not afraid to challenge and confront even the biggest askanim and ashirim if they step out of line.

Rabbi Garelick
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Rabbi Garelick

Rabbi Garelick would be perfect for this job ! What an asset it would be for the community

Rabbi Shmuel Bluming most eidel and kind perosn
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Rabbi Shmuel Bluming most eidel and kind perosn

A real Chosid yerei shamayim and lamddan

Rabbi Shmuel Bluming most eidel and kind perosn
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Rabbi Shmuel Bluming most eidel and kind perosn

A real Mentch. A real Chosid Yerei Shomayim and Lamdan!!

Totally agree!!!
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Totally agree!!!

I was actually gonna write in a comment that rabbi Shmuel Chaim Bluming should be the next candidate but I see that chevre already brought it up

schochet
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schochet

Crown Heights needs Rabbi Dov Yehuda Schochet currently at he Shul of Bal Habror.

Since when did the title 'Av' Beis Din come in?
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Since when did the title 'Av' Beis Din come in?

Never Heard from The Rebbe that we have an “Av” Beis Din” in This neighborhood..
It’s a Mistake. Please Correct. Thank you.

Genuine Question
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Genuine Question

Should I infer from the need for three, that R. Ozdaba and R. Braun plan to sit together as judges on Dinei Torah?

Rabbi Levi Sputz
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Rabbi Levi Sputz

Just throwing another name out there. A real mentsch, connects well with the kehilla, is almost fluent in English, and is an anti

CHT
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CHT

Rabbi Shein. He sometimes sits in the Beis Din. Talmid Chocom with amazing midos, very approachable

The Sad Truth ;(
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The Sad Truth ;(

Badatz Crown Heights is a myth, unfortunately of course A. 3 people however learned and capable cannot run a whole community. That is why there isn’t Badatz of Borough Park or Badatz of Williamsburg. Those communities are too large and diverse for a single entity to claim to represent them and cater to their needs. In the last 10 years, the CH community has grown so much that there are different CH communities today each living on their own with little connection to each other B. The community’s coffers are empty. So we all will be voting someone in and… Read more »

shame
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shame

look in to it. this is the Rebbe’s will. an elected beis din. look into it.

Can someone please explain
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Can someone please explain

How writing a comment who you think is a good candidate will help out in any way? Are the Rabbanim reading COL comments and will then say “Hey, great idea! Never thought about this guy!” Oh, actually the next comment was bashing him so i guess its not a good idea…”

Trump
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Trump

Yeh. This is an ecosystem. Its leaders reflect the community. Same people that post, vote. So the elected will be and are a reflection of the electors. So it’s possible what people post here will affect an election outcome.

Inda Know
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Inda Know

Marbe Aitza, marbe chochma.
All the comments here (respectful, of course) add to the general knowledge of how to proceed. The existing rabbonim of the Bais Din, Rabbis Osdoba and Braun, would be well served to consider and incorporate the comments here into their considerations!

Rabbi bluming has my vote
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Rabbi bluming has my vote

Let me explain. The other guys that were mentioned meet some of the criteria to be a rov, but not all. Rabbi bluming meets all the criteria needed to serve as a rov. Talmid chochom,anovo,yiras shomayim,and meurov Bain haberiyos.

ch vs. bp
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ch vs. bp

badatz is an inyan ruchni see sichas 2 adar 5748. if/when they see fit they can apoint assisting dayonim/motzim. farkert the rebbe wants that the shchuna should be one. thats the rebbe wanted it to be beis din of crown heights NOT the lubavitch beis din of ch.

Rabbi Sholom Ber Shuchat would be great
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Rabbi Sholom Ber Shuchat would be great

A big Talmid Chochom, Boki in all aspects of Halachah and connects very well specially with the younger generation.

Rabbi Shuchat
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Rabbi Shuchat

Rabbi Sholom Ber Shuchat would be a great candidate!
Very knowledgeable, speaks clear, very popular, well known throughout the frum world, sits on Agudas HaRabonim etc

Pinchos Woolstone
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Pinchos Woolstone

I believe there will be an election as there was for the last Rov.
It would be appropriate that the conditions for a candidate being eligible for the position be circulated in advance thereby avoiding the confusion and rancor of the past.
Transparency is essential

Rabbi Yossi Vigler
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Rabbi Yossi Vigler

from Flatbush-
Very well versed Torah Scholar and articulate. Can relate to all ages. A wise Talmid Chocham

Reb Leib
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Reb Leib

How can anyone overlook Reb Leib Schapiro (in Miami)?
In addition to being a tremendous Talmud Chacham
and a Posek, his zaide was the Rebbe’s teacher.

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