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Curious
May 22, 2020 3:10 pm

Does the president even have the authority to override governors on this matter?

Berel
Reply to  Curious
May 22, 2020 6:20 pm

it’s not clear what authority anybody has on these issues

at best its local executive order vs. a federal executive order and it will have to judicated in the courts

at any rate, NYC restrictions generally make sense especially for a place like Crown Heights which was hit very, very hard.

Trump is mostly aiming at other states that had cases in the 100s and are imposing quarantine regimes akin to NYC’s.

The article
Reply to  Berel
May 24, 2020 1:04 am

The article passed for NYS executive order gives the Governor the right to establish a 30 day state of emergency, with the option of extending another 30 days. That ended recently, so I’m not sure on what basis this banana head governor is continuing to think that he runs the world…

Options
May 22, 2020 3:24 pm

No, he has no such authority. He has other options. He can issue executive orders tha make life misersble for governors.

Executive order
Reply to  Options
May 22, 2020 4:06 pm

If that is the case new york had no right to force shutdown with tickets because it was also an executive order

The logic doesn't work as others mentioned
Reply to  Options
May 23, 2020 9:27 am

3 months is too long for an executive branch order or undefined and changing terms.

Irrelevant
May 22, 2020 3:27 pm

The only question that matters is whether it’s SAFE. Can we crowd into shuls without risking lives? As soon as we can reopen safely we will do so.

Is it safe??
Reply to  Irrelevant
May 22, 2020 5:03 pm

Is it safe to go to prospect park or to the ice cream store?

Irrelevant
Reply to  Is it safe??
May 22, 2020 6:03 pm

If people are crowding more than 10 ppl in the ice cream store they shouldn’t be allowed either. Hold a minyan in prospect park, who’s stopping you.

It can be done safely
Reply to  Irrelevant
May 22, 2020 6:59 pm

He never said to do it not safely. If you can sanitize and spread out in wtores, you can do the same for houses of worship.
Also, since when are the crowds in Costco and Wal-Mart safe….?

U. S. Army.
May 22, 2020 3:36 pm

The President could nationalize the New York National Guard??

Embarrassing
May 22, 2020 3:40 pm

It’s embarrassing that a goy (albeit a righteous one) is doing the pushing for us!

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Reply to  Embarrassing
May 22, 2020 4:52 pm

Well I do think it’s brave of him. But the fact that shuls are closed right now is not our fault. Doesn’t matter how much “pushing” is done. The Shuls are closed for legitimate reasons of safety.

Not anymore
Reply to  Reply
May 24, 2020 1:07 am

A month ago that was true. Ch had not had a covid patient in 3 weeks. There are unfortunately a lot who still need a refua shleima, but those cases were before may 1. Shul closure is not a matter of safety, it’s a matter of us having to push

The art of distraction
May 22, 2020 3:45 pm

This President is a master of the Art of Distraction and running circles around the media. The Shuls and lehavdil the Churches and Mosques were opening anyway in many places around the country under specific guidelines. This will keep his political opponents busy bashing him for his words and decisions while he takes care of whatever business he doesn’t want them meddling in. Let’s hope it is for the better of the people.

Closed houses of prayer
May 22, 2020 4:08 pm

Does not mean less prayer, it just means prayer at home. Let’s be safe and smart.

So sad
May 22, 2020 4:13 pm

Why does a goy have to “give us permission ” to open up shuls when we can’t do it ourselves? Isn’t goyim suppose to be following yidden not vis versa? When yidden do what hashem wants goyim are in awe and follow. Why here the opposite? So sad. Faith is even more important then groceries and yet groceries are opened. I know I’ll be back lashed for this, so for all those – starve! Faith is more important then food – wake up!

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Reply to  So sad
May 22, 2020 4:53 pm

You do know shuls are closed for legitimate reasons of safety, right? Let’s not be ignorant here.

Hello
Reply to  So sad
May 22, 2020 5:28 pm

Because he’s the president of the United States of America. He’s doing us a greatness and allowing us to have our Minyanim that may not have been approved till now. Why make issue?

Um.
Reply to  So sad
May 22, 2020 5:29 pm

Ok I’m not even going to start showing how your whole approach is wrong, but will comment just on your last line..
Very wrong view of life..if there isn’t food who can be alive to have Faith?
Torah and mitzvos.. vchai bahem, to live by them, not die by them.
Enough said.

Replying
Reply to  Um.
May 22, 2020 5:59 pm

FIRST you make a blessing and then you eat the food not vis versa. We need faith even more then food. You can have food but no faith?! all the rich people are unhappy, why? They have everything but no happiness. Faith comes first!

Eisenhower
May 22, 2020 4:39 pm

When states weren’t allowing blacks to attend schools the federal government sent in troops to make sure they comply. So yes states have states rights to make their own laws but it still has to be in the framework of the constitution, and religious freedom is a constitutional right!

David
May 22, 2020 5:07 pm

The blue state governors would love to keep the states closed until November 4th and only reopen if Joe Biden wins

Trump!
May 22, 2020 5:23 pm

You’re amazing!! Perfect timing for Shavuos.

Is there anything new?
May 22, 2020 5:23 pm

Cuomo is already letting shuls open with restrictions.
Is trump saying that it can open without restrictions?

That would be catastrophic. As we know shuls are one of the places where the viruses spread the fastest.

And even if our community would be careful even without restrictions because we were hit so hard. Community’s that weren’t wont be fearful enough.

Hence what is the president saying…?

Dave
Reply to  Is there anything new?
May 22, 2020 8:47 pm

The president is saying that since he deems house of worship essential it goes into the same category as Walmart Costco excetera where the amount of people allowed has to do with the size / square feet of the store which means that large shoals with the CDC guidelines should be allowed to have a lot more than 10 people maybe even a hundred depending on how large the shull is

LA Morah
May 22, 2020 7:02 pm

It seems that we’re in a real catch 22 here. We can’t stay closed forever but we don’t know if and when there’ll be a vaccine. The question then is will it ever really be safe

Amazing
May 22, 2020 7:19 pm

He is so amazing. Mamish moshiach tzeitin!

This is anti Torah
May 23, 2020 6:00 am

The definition of essential in the face of a pandemic is a matter of nuanced Halacha vis a vis Safek Pikuach Nefesh and Hezek Rabbim. It is for POSKIM, informed by medicine. It is NOT for a president or prime minister et al.
PS. I’m from Australia, so this isn’t a Trump comment, per se.

My opinion
May 24, 2020 1:07 am

You see unfortunately our economy in the U.S. is going down Hill because of this crises. & people are rely loosing their patience. My opinion is have some patience & wait. To open up shuls is very nice. But what if ChasV’esholom someone dose get sick in a short time??? I would think if we waited 3 months, we can wait another month. WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE PATIENT. we will come back to normal life. It may take a little time…..just my opinion. Be well & be safe.

shuls should be open
May 24, 2020 5:30 am

if walmart , target and so many places can be open why cant shuls be open?? airplane flights are going on with everyone sitting next to each other with no masks and social distancing . all the parks have no social distancing. the liberal leftist are using the virus for dictatorship

ABSOLUTELY NOT
Reply to  shuls should be open
May 24, 2020 9:36 am

halachic standard of pikuach nefesh is very high…it trumps everything even trump. every life is important. and we know that we are not a careful community. we hear 10 people allowed and we translate it as 50 give or take. as soon as we open up a bit more gimmel tammuz will happen and there will be no more boundaries…with disease brought in from everywhere. and that is the truth of our community in the best of times. there are still many people who have not had corona in our community. we need to protect them and move very slowly… Read more »

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