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Nurse Debunks 4 Myths About Hospitals During Covid-19

A registered nurse from Montreal who traveled to New York to assist with treating Jewish patients during the coronavirus pandemic, addresses 4 claims against how hospitals have been treating patients. "There wasn’t one day in my career that prepared me for what I would see in New York City during the coronavirus crisis." Full Story

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I believe you about yourself
May 10, 2020 11:57 pm

But not about all the other health care workers and hospitals

Dont buy it
May 11, 2020 12:06 am

People who were not intubated were severely neglected. They can and will testify to this.

Thank you
May 11, 2020 12:08 am

Thank you so much for sharing this. It’s crucial To see what is being done and the the people assisting in these rough times. A big ysher koach to you and to all the doctors and nurses who are literally saving lives.

Chossid
May 11, 2020 12:20 am

Unfortunately many will rush to point fingers without an ounce of research beforehand.

Thank you for all your effort and sleepless nights trying to help out a community that is not your own. Your efforts are truly appreciated and Hashem should reward you with may healthy and happy years ahead!

wow
May 11, 2020 12:24 am

Oy…

Well duh
May 11, 2020 12:24 am

There are millions of people in New York, to think all the patients are being neglected because some guy posts videos on Instagram, is quite ridiculous. Sure, stories pop up about things that happened, but what about all the thousands more that did happen? Stop believing every thing you see online

Well duh
Reply to  Well duh
May 12, 2020 8:32 am

So one person posts otherwise and her you do believe suddenly? Ironic.
Many people who give birth there or who were treated there had no qualms believing the accusations as they very well related to them.

Elchonon Hellinger
May 11, 2020 12:26 am

Thank you so much for your hard work.

While I have no medical background, I had 30 surgeries and I know for a fact that everything you said is true!

Chaim
May 11, 2020 12:37 am

They are many hospitals in NYC, no two hospitals are alike, some have good care some not so good, there a some hospitals that in one ward the care is excellent while not so great in another wing, what is public knowledge is that hatzola themselves spoke about that in certain hospitals people weren’t taken care as they should have been.

absolutely
Reply to  Chaim
May 11, 2020 12:49 am

There has been widespread horrible neglect in certain hospitals.

Hospital
Reply to  Chaim
May 11, 2020 4:54 am

This hospital in particular has received a lot of hate.

please!
Reply to  Chaim
May 11, 2020 12:14 pm

apparently abuse was rampant in ALL hospitals.

Reader
May 11, 2020 12:45 am

Not sure what hospital she went to or if she just came to a hospital this past week.
You can’t rewrite history, when we have first count experiences as well as patients themself telling what was going on there for the past two months don’t try to paint a rosy picture of a hospital. There is a reason HATZALAH was brining equipment to people’s homes and keeping them out of the hospital system.

Hmmm
Reply to  Reader
May 11, 2020 4:59 am

1) I did not just come this week. 2) I’m talking about one particular hospital that has gotten a lot of hate 3) it is always better to treat people at home vs an overcrowded hospital where the risk of other infections is very high.

Not proof
May 11, 2020 12:47 am

There are many other healthcare professionals of equal or of more qualification saying the opposite. So maybe where you were it was like that but other places it perhaps wasn’t.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Not proof
May 11, 2020 5:39 pm

Lies. Name ONE of the “many” healthcare professional saying the opposite.

There is NOT ONE!

Just people like you CLAIMING that there are “so many others”, and then others repeating your words.

"KOP" Doctored
Reply to  Kop Doktar
May 12, 2020 11:13 pm

Kop Doktar, you say “Lies”. Did it occur to you person may be referring to what they’ve seen prior to this pandemic?

T'izku L'Mitzvos!
May 11, 2020 12:48 am

Thank you Raquel for your heart warming article and efforts saving lives during these challenging times. Most of us recognize and are so grateful for the many heroic efforts of the healthcare providers who sacrificed so much to save lives at the risk of their own. May Hashem heal all of the sick and bring Moshiach now!

All hospitals?
May 11, 2020 12:50 am

Thank you for being such a wonderful nurse. Did you work in every hospital in Brooklyn ?????

Julie Kusnetz, RN, BSN
Reply to  All hospitals?
May 11, 2020 7:40 am

Some traveling RNs may in fact have worked at several hospitals during the pandemic.

There are still alive patients who can testify
May 11, 2020 1:04 am

I believe you as a good neshoma who did her holy job, but there are many cases that we will not know, but some are here among us and can testify for neglect, physical injuries or even taking valuables and using patients credit cards ….
I hope all need to be video recorded in the hospital and be available to the right institutions to press charges

I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 1:08 am

I would love to trust you. I would love to accept your word. Believe me. I would really love to. I would be elated if I would somehow be convinced that hospitals in NYC are safe for frum people. That would be a huge emotional burden off my shoulders. But I have one simple question. If you can answer this, I will accept your word. The question is simple: Why the inconceivable and unparalleled death rate in the NYC hospital? This is purely a data driven question. Data has shown since the spread of the virus in America that patients… Read more »

I am not 100% sure but
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 1:37 am

I am not 100% sure, but in NY people were advised to try and stay out of hospital if possible because they were overwhelmed. So the patients who did go were the sickest so it follows that the death rate in the hospitals should be higher than other communities where the hospitals were not overwhelmed and accepted more patients.

Can that explain the discrepancy somewhat?

Lack of social distancing
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 1:47 am

Here is why: NY Jews 1) didn’t follow rules until infections were widespread, 2) Jews in NY live on top of each other in ways that Jews say in LA don’t.

Look at the NY numbers in general. Due to the living conditions in NY, the virus spread much quicker than it would have / did elsewhere.

so not true
Reply to  Lack of social distancing
May 11, 2020 12:45 pm

the government actually only came out with rules a few days after Purim
schools in CH were closed even before public schools
most people began social distancing when requested
there are people in every community in NY who may not have not listened

Not taking sides
Reply to  so not true
May 11, 2020 8:16 pm

Not taking sides, but government rules have nothing to do with the actual spread if this virus. Government rules may have saved lives in many communities, but unfortunately for some, it was too late.
One Lechaim in CH might have spread the “amount” of virus that would have taken a month to spread in a small Midwest community.

Data Data Data - Where's your data?
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 2:14 am

You seem more upset that someone addressed the naysayers (which you feel includes youself) as a layperson in the medical field (which you probably are) rather than address the issue itself, and bring a valid argument. Are you really suggesting that the death rate in NYC was higher because frum Jews were neglected and died. You scream data but bring none. Maybe the death rate in NYC was far higher than any state because the hospitals were overwelmed far more than any other state. You say with certainty that other states has plenty of frum patients on ventilators and most… Read more »

If you truly want answers ...
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 3:44 am

New York’s population density is incredibly high, making it very easy for the virus to spread quickly. Additionally, frum communities in particular are very socially connected, making us even more susceptible to rapid spread. This is one of the reasons New York was the epicenter of the pandemic in America and was disproportionately affected, and it’s not surprising that frum yidden in NY, with our closely connected communities composed of inter-generational families were unfortunately heavily affected as well. It doesn’t help that many of us believed we were smarter than the experts, and continued to gather and make minyanim etc… Read more »

It’s simple
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 5:32 am

NYC has a higher rate of death per capita because it has more cases per capita, being one of the most densely populated cities in America. To prove medical malfeasance, you would need to compare death rates per hospitalizations. The ones to blame here are city and state officials, who didn’t take this seriously.

Very well said
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 6:30 am

Thank you

Read the data.
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 6:54 am

The higher death rate is due to the fact that NYC had a higher infection rate.

Throughout the world, cities that had a higher infection rate, had a higher per-capita death rate due to the healthcare system getting overwhelmed. It happened in Italy as well as in Wuhan, cities that had high infection rate also experienced higher death rates in their hospitals.

This article explains the data behind it:
https://www.livescience.com/why-covid19-coronavirus-deaths-high-new-york.html

No need to resort to the antisemitism card against our heroic healthcare workers.

Judith Kaplan APRN CNM Functional Med Miami
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 7:54 am

37% of deaths in Israel were of people in the main frum centers, primarily from 4 centers. It could be something about our lifestyle, always congregating, sitting together, learning dancing and singing together, large families in close proximity, or traveling to visit and mixing with other congregations. Many of us were totally oblivious to the dangers due to cultural distance, language barrier or to basic disregard or trust of advice coming from non-Jewish sources or non-Jewish systems- especially regarding how to conduct ourselves within in our realm (minyonim etc which spread things more). Some of us have witnessed outright miracles… Read more »

Sorry but you really did not understand
Reply to  Judith Kaplan APRN CNM Functional Med Miami
May 11, 2020 9:58 am

Hey. The commenter did not mention once that he is concerned about the amount of covid-19 cases in the frum community. He understands that that is because of our lifestyle. He was pointing our the per capita rate of death in NY hospitals, both in the non-Jewsish circles, and particularly in the frum circles. That’s it. Your response has zero to do with what he spoke about.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Sorry but you really did not understand
May 11, 2020 5:36 pm

This is like saying that because there was a higher death rate per capita among yidden (both frum and non-frum yidden), the data factually proves that the virus was an antisemitic weapon targeted at the Jewish Community by our enemies…and the hospitals were all in on this conspiracy…and they paid off the doctors and nurses…Is this being silly? Well, one comment below actually accuses the author of being paid by Maimonides!

Thank you
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 8:06 am

You said it. This article is written with a whole lot of chutzpah and arrogance. We all know there has been terrible neglect and malpractice. I wonder why this nurse feels the need to defend an entire city’s network of hospitals that she doesn’t even work for (as ‘noble’ as going to NY during a pandemic may be.) By the way, NY had no shortage of nurses. They had hundreds of nurses waiting in hotel lobbies to be called in for reinforcements. Waiting. The mismanagement of Human Resources along with really stupid, unscientific medical policies such as ventilating everyone who… Read more »

many were ventil;ated that should not have been
Reply to  Thank you
May 11, 2020 12:48 pm

being on a ventilator in many cases made things much worse
there were other types of oxygen that could have been given together with meds and vitamins that hospitals refused to give

Kop Doktar

…so proclaims the local medical expert that knows better than doctors. Please share with us, that you received your high quality medical training from which yeshiva or seminary?

Kop Doktar
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 8:47 am

Correlation does not prove causation.

That rule is a cornerstone of faulty data.

As an example, if worldwide, the majority of people that died yesterday ate a sandwich within 24-hours of death, does not prove that sandwiches are a deadly cause of death.

The “data” you cite does not prove a thing. It is the “sandwich” which “causes” fatalities. And sounds just as silly.

If you truly want answers ...
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 9:03 am

New York’s population density is incredibly high, making it very easy for the virus to spread quickly. Additionally, frum communities in particular are very socially connected, making us even more susceptible to rapid spread. This is one of the reasons New York was the epicenter of the pandemic in America and was disproportionately affected, and it’s not surprising that frum yidden in NY, with our closely connected communities composed of inter-generational families were unfortunately heavily affected as well. It doesn’t help that many of us believed we were smarter than the experts, and continued to gather and make minyanim etc… Read more »

You too, seem to totally misunderstand
Reply to  If you truly want answers ...
May 11, 2020 10:04 am

The writer NEVER pointed out the percentage of covid-19 CASES per capita. He mentioned percentage of covid-19 DEATHS OF PATIENTS PER CAPITA OF PATIENTS WHO HAVE COVID-19… it is really really simple… meaning, this would not be affected by the density or population. To put it in even simpler terms. In New Mexico, for example, 5 out of 1000 patients who have covid-19 will die. In NY, however, 15 out of 1000 patients who have covid-19 will die. Does that have anything to do with population density. I don’t think so. This is not rocket science. It does not take… Read more »

Doesnt explain
Reply to  If you truly want answers ...
May 11, 2020 8:12 pm

When you calculate percentages of death from the sick people, it has nothing to do with how many people got sick.
In NY the percentage of people who died from covid was over 8 percent while in Israel the percentage was less than 2
Out of 100 covid patients in NY , 8 died and in Israel out of 100 covid patients, 2 died.

The date
Reply to  I have one simple question
May 11, 2020 9:52 am

To answer your question. Unfortunately NYC got hit hard and fast. It got hit with purim, it got hit with a lack of common sense, it got hit with arrogance( thanks Mr Mayor. The city should have been closed much sooner… The other states got a chance to catch up. Its terrible its injust horrible what happened here. But i think that blaming hospital systems for being overwelmed is unfair, and calling out healthcare providers and yelling neglect when the system was over run beyond control is slander at best.

Kol hakavod to the author
May 11, 2020 1:23 am

This is a beautiful article and I am so glad that the author wrote it, as I do believe that she accurately describes the vast majority of health care workers who are dedicated to their work and really want to help people. Having said that, I also believe that it’s possible for a work environment to become overwhelmed and for individual workers to become demoralized and de-energized as a result of inadequate resources, insufficient supervision, and/or unworkable conditions. Supervision/accountability is definitely a key factor in any work environment, as it is in most social environments too. When family members cannot… Read more »

Conclusion
May 11, 2020 1:27 am

Truth is that every hospital in every area and state is different. This Raquel is doing a tremendous act of kindness and deserves many thanks for it. Out of the millions of nurses who are treating their patients inside and outside of NY, probably a very low percentage of these nurses are DELIBERATELY trying to harm their patients. Appreciate what the good nurses and doctors ARE giving and don’t bash ALL of them on social media, because not ALL of them are at fault

Where?
May 11, 2020 1:53 am

What hospital did you work at? When?

Some nurses
May 11, 2020 2:04 am

Some nurses are good people, many are not good people at all, and they get into healthcare to feel needed & respected by others but they are selfish.

Please!
May 11, 2020 2:15 am

Can we at least acknowledge that the writer of this article (and probably many more) are doing way much more than they are being paid for?
Can we also acknowledge that “some” in our communities are not being careful with basics (distancing, masks), and then when they c”v become ill they blame people like this writer?
A personal request: anyone else like the writer of this article that’s in the front lines, please share your experience the way she did.
And to the writer: thanks for the article, and thanks for your service!

Anecdotal evidence
May 11, 2020 2:44 am

I love this new trend of nurses thinking they have become the major medical experts, an experienced hatzola member knows as much if not more about medicine than a nurse who ends up doing repeated tasks

Ignorance
Reply to  Anecdotal evidence
May 11, 2020 10:04 am

You are obviously ignorant of the intense schooling and training nurses receive. Aside from the immense experience at the hospital. This is a very ignorant and ridiculous statement. Nurses in terms of their medical knowledge are a lot closer to Drs than people want to believe.

What a joke!
Reply to  Anecdotal evidence
May 11, 2020 12:38 pm

Did you actually just say that a guy wearing an orange vest posing as a licensed paramedic is actually more knowledgeable than a registered nurse who went through 4 years of nursing school and months of on site training? 😂😂

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Anecdotal evidence
May 11, 2020 2:28 pm

The author does not claim to be a “major medical expert”, as you wrongly accuse. You feel justified to knock her and all nurses (by saying an EMT aka Hatzalah member knows as much if not more than her about medicine). Sorry, but nurses are trained in schools for over 4 years. No EMT (even any one of our wonderful Hatzalah members) is qualified to fill in for a trained professional nurse. The approach of insulting and knocking others does not prove or disprove an argument. It is what children do in kindergarten.

this is a joke
Reply to  Anecdotal evidence
May 11, 2020 9:33 pm

It takes 3 months to become an EMT. It takes 4-5 years to get a BSN. Awful

Unfortunate
Reply to  Anecdotal evidence
May 11, 2020 10:59 pm

It is unfortunate that you are even trying to compare the 4-5 years of post high school nursing school to the 3 month paramedic program of Hatzoloh members

AbsolUTEly not
Reply to  Anecdotal evidence
May 13, 2020 5:48 pm

No. Just no.
This comment shows not only a complete misunderstanding of the rigor of RN training, but our scope of practice and role.
Ridiculous.
– Chana (RN and NP).

Why so many ?
May 11, 2020 5:04 am

I feel that perhaps you can answer your own remarks. Where in the world outside of Israel has such a dense/ highly populated community ? NYC is appartements and small living quarters. It goes without say that there will be more infections than let’s say, Arkansas. At all hours of the night, men are still congregated in the middle of the street, children from every house on the block, and you still see people walking very early with their teffilin bags.

Thank you for your service
May 11, 2020 6:01 am

Thanks for making the trip out to NYC to try to be a helping hand. Stay strong and stay positive, but covid negative.

Malky
May 11, 2020 6:19 am

Having a close family member who’s a paramedic (hatzoloh volunteer and does hospital shifts) in bklyn and wouldnt take his own mother to the hosp that he originally always took patients to and that he works for!..i asked straight out why and was told”i want her to live”. He did round the clock care at home to keep ppl alive. His family saw him maybe two hours over the first two days of pesach where he made rounds to all his patients houses ensuring their health, safety needs were met. Being he was allowed in because of his position, he… Read more »

Thank You 🙏
May 11, 2020 6:24 am

I am sad to see nurses and doctors feel the need to defend themselves at this time. I am
sad that uneducated and uninformed individuals think they have the right to judge what is no doubt the hardest thing our community and the world has faced in recent times.

These healthcare practitioners have exhausted all of their energy, time and effort to save our community and help comfort the lives of those and the families directly affected by COVID-19.

Thank you for your time

data
May 11, 2020 6:27 am

Please provide the data behind your post

Thank You!
May 11, 2020 6:55 am

Thank you so much for your service and for attempting to shine a reality check light on the topic.

It is never easy, especially when dealing with the conspiracy theory minded among us.

May you be blessed with happiness, perfect health and great wealth!

Thank You!
May 11, 2020 7:09 am

Thank you so much Raquel and the other heroic healthcare workers!

I’m so sorry that in addition to fighting this unprecedented pandemic under such conditions you also have to fight these baseless and ignorant accusations.

You never chose to be heroes, but heroes you are!

Shame on people who use their platform, not to fight for better working conditions so our healthcare workers don’t have to put their lives at risk, but instead to promote baseless accusations!

Which hospitals?
May 11, 2020 7:10 am

Can anyone share which hospitals Hatzalah stopped taking people to so that people can know for the future?

Thank you!
May 11, 2020 7:47 am

What great insight. Thank you for your hard work on the front lines and for telling us what reality looks like.

BDE
May 11, 2020 7:51 am

As always, generalization is always the bad avenue.

Kol Hakavod
May 11, 2020 8:00 am

Being a medical professional myself, but unable to work during this outbreak, I get so upset hearing what people are saying about the treatment of patients in the hospital. May Hashem give you and all those on the front lines the koach to continue your impossible job with success.

Thank you
May 11, 2020 8:01 am

Thank you for taking the time to write this post. I am too a healthcare worker and have been deeply involving in the treatment of covid patients during this Pandemic. As difficult as it has been for me and my patients, we have to remember how difficult it must also be for family members who are not allowed to visit their sick relatives and are not able to be updated as much as they are used to. This is especially challenging when the medical and nursing staff just don’t have the time to explain every single detail about the effects… Read more »

Well said.
May 11, 2020 8:21 am

Good job. All we have seen are videos depicting the negative side of the healthcare system. Finally a nurses POV.

Jay
May 11, 2020 8:29 am

Let people have one family member visit repeatedly. They can wear protective face gear like the nurse but could then be a voice and an advocate for their family member.

Imagine how horrible it would be to be incubated for two weeks, bedridden, and the only people you see in a day is a doctor for a few minutes and a nurse and a respiratory therapist for a few minutes. Every, single, day.

We know happier people recover faster than depressed people, how depressed must these hospitalized patients be?

Read and listen to the article
May 11, 2020 8:31 am

Raquel presents facts and explanations and it is important to step back and understand what she is saying. Of course it is hard to understand the total impact of covid, but she is telling you how it is. Believe her- a caring, knowledgeable nurse on the front lines. Be thankful and listen instead of criticizing and please stay home and follow the guidelines to stop the spread. Do your part.

Nurse's Perspective
May 11, 2020 8:37 am

Is it possible there’s some neglect? Yes. Are the hospitals overflowing with COVID patients and don’t have enough staff and resources? Yes. Was everyone asked to STAY HOME TO FLATTEN THE CURVE SO THIS DOESNT HAPPPEN? Yes. Are they doing that? Some yes, some no. Instead of trying to place blame on the people working to save lives, try to do your research and educate on social distancing, staying home, flattening the curve so that healthcare providers have enough resources to help those in need. Are patients in hospitals unable to eat because they are intubated? Yes. You can’t exactly… Read more »

Open Mic
May 11, 2020 8:38 am

Thank you for writing this comforting article.

We really do not know what went on behind closed doors of the hospital and easily believe rumors started by people that also don’t know, but accuse and the accusations quickly morph into facts.

When things go wrong, we quickly look for someone to blame and point fingers at.

Thank you for being such an angel and sending this message that comforts and gives peace of mind. It means more than you can imagine.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Open Mic
May 11, 2020 10:58 am

People are hurting and you are correct: they look (and NEED) someone to blame. The negative comments are coming from from pain. They cannot accept that their relative’s sudden death could NOT have been avoided. And the “fall guy” is the hospital and doctor and nurse. The article IS comforting for all of us that can think intelligently. And for those that can’t, the expression is: You can’t fix stupid.

Nurse's Perspective #2
May 11, 2020 8:42 am

To everyone NOT in the medical field, check this up: Maslow’s hierarchy. This basically dictates who gets treated in what order. For example, a patient who is coding (heart stopped) will be treated before a patient who is hungry, thirsty, or soiled themself. If this doesn’t make sense to you, you can surely sign a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) before you come to the hospital to allow the patients who need water or food come before your heart failure. But you cant expect other people to want the same.

neglect
May 11, 2020 8:43 am

a hospital in manhattan neglected patients and many had a stroke from missing medication or moving around

RNBSN
Reply to  neglect
May 11, 2020 2:27 pm

One does not stroke out from moving and no one knows to which medications you refer. Likely people had strokes, so unfortunately, due to the relationship of blood clots that has been associated with covid-19. Patients have been placed on blood thinners .. which is actually what causes the bruising that this nurse spoke about. So which is it? Are the nurses deliberately causing bruising or are they deliberately causing strokes? People who do not understand biophysiology, epidemeology, virology and the like should not be playing monday morning quarterback of the healthcare system during a worldwide pandemic.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  neglect
May 11, 2020 5:10 pm

So begins an urban legend. As it spreads and gets repeated, people start believing it. After all, “everybody” is saying so. And there “must” be truth to it…Just keep repeating it and people start believing it. But when it is PROPERLY examined and investigated, it is debunked and the urban legend remains so, a false story.

Nurse's Perspective #3
May 11, 2020 8:51 am

Firstly, our patients get delirious incredibly quickly in the ICU. I’m not saying not to believe what they say, but my delirious patients have reported me for being an alien before so take it with a grain of salt. The ICU does things to your head. Next, our patients are not fed, not bc I’m mean or evil, but bc they are so critically sick that if we need to intubate them and they have been eating they can aspirate and die. They are all fed intranvenously with TPN or through an enteral tube with tube feeds. While they may… Read more »

You are good, they are not
May 11, 2020 8:52 am

My aunt died from treatable yeneh machla, in the Jewish General Hospital in Montreal (no longer primarily a Jewish hospital). Montreal has far fewer resources, and yes, thankfully far fewer patients. The first hand accounts of Chasidim and the neglect in Maimonides stands and it’s a well meaning but tremendous disservice to write this. Now, one thing has got to be said. YOU SAVED MORE LIVES THAN YOU KNOW. You came, you were motivated and that, Ms. Suissa, encouraged your fellow staff to follow suit. One good nurse can cause 4-10 others to spring into action. If there were more… Read more »

Nurse's Perspective #4
May 11, 2020 8:57 am

There is a story being painted here. One of systemic neglect at the hospitals, and that nurses and Drs are to blame. There were many factual mistakes that others have already pointed out in the comments. I understand your unfamiliar with hospitals and how they work, but that people could believe that there is a systemic problem in hospitals now, that nurses are hitting their patients, and that there is (intentional) neglect en mass, is a scary and dangerous form of ignorance.

Very informative
May 11, 2020 9:05 am

Thank you for your amazing work and clarifying these points!

Thank you for your services and dedication!
May 11, 2020 9:10 am

First of all, we would like to thank you for your work and dedication during these hard times. One can only imagine the difficult situation each and every health care professionals and the health care sector in whole. Each action, each decision, and even personal experiences are not taken very lightly. Nurses like you, I am confident, always consider all the ethical and legal aspects, not to mention the humanitarian side, when making professional clinical decisions. Again, thank you to you and all the other health care professionals as well as other support staff. Our prayers are with you. From… Read more »

Private hospitals are safer
May 11, 2020 9:16 am

My friend works as a PA in a New York City hospital, and she describes it as a place where coronavirus patients “go to die.” She said the nurses don’t want to take care of covid patients and avoid their responsibilities, and that the hospital had so few treatment options for covid patients that it was “practically hospice care”.

I will repeat what she told me emphatically, which is DO NOT GO TO A CITY HOSPITAL, make sure you go to a university/private hospital!

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Private hospitals are safer
May 11, 2020 5:06 pm

Seems like your friend is the problem, the one that “works as a PA in a NYC hospital”, while not doing a proper job, she is the problem. Yes, there are the rare rotten apples, and it sounds like she is one of them. And there might be such rotten apples anywhere, even in “university/private hospitals”. Shame on your fiend that works as a PA in a NYC hospital. She should get into another line of work because health care is not a job for her!

Comment King
May 11, 2020 9:38 am

She can only speak for herself, and her colleagues.
I have seen first hand family members treated with neglect in hospitals.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Comment King
May 11, 2020 10:50 am

Lies. Hospitals do not allow outsiders in. Remember about those left to die alone…yet, you falsely claim that you have seen first hand?!

Callous
May 11, 2020 9:51 am

To write this article while the pandemic is still ongoing, and sick patients are still unconscious on ventilators, and mourners are still in the shloshim of their loved ones passing… to write this while the dead are barely cold in the grave, is callous and hurtful.
We all know there has been gross neglect.
We know patients have and are still being given the wrong treatments and the wrong drugs.
We know that patients have been dying alone, terrified and many times from lack of supportive care.
This article is the epitome of arrogance and chutzpah.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Callous
May 11, 2020 10:49 am

Huh? The opposite! This article gives ME great comfort and peace of mind. Knowing that my friends ARE being taken care of. Knowing that the relatives that died WERE given proper medical care and treated as best possible. This is a NECHAMA! This makes me reject the blogging by people that spit venom without knowing the facts and their lies are passed around and repeated until the urban legend becomes believed. THAT IS WHAT IS HURTFUL but this article is a balm to a grieving soul.

Impossible
Reply to  Callous
May 13, 2020 5:56 pm

Wrong drugs/treatments? There IS no definitive treatment or drug. We treat the symptoms, the effects – and a lot of times cannot even do that.

– Chana MSN RN/NP

Neglect
May 11, 2020 9:52 am

Equals not enough health care workers- there should have been more staff. There should have been a patient liaison who is just there to go around to the patients and Advocate for the them and communicate with families. Everyone knows you were trying your best. Everyone knows it was overwhelming and unprecedented. But there was still gross mismanagement starting from the top.

Huh?????
May 11, 2020 10:09 am

Debunks 4 myths??
So everyone else s horrible experiences just didn’t happen? Imagination? Why, cuz u didn’t witness it?
This article is one big myth

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Huh?????
May 11, 2020 2:08 pm

Ever hear of “urban legends”, you know, “facts” that someone personally knows someone who clearly heard from someone else that knows for a fact that…and suddenly that becomes a “well known fact”?!

This is sakana
May 11, 2020 10:17 am

And misleading. This is a very dangerous article.
Especially bc it can cause ppl to let down their guard when there’s scores of data and firsthand stories to negate this “hero’s” account.
And this is also completely disrespectful to those who died from gross neglect.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  This is sakana
May 11, 2020 2:20 pm

“Scores of data and first hand stories” – just like any other urban legend, when someone heard from someone that saw on their WhatsApp group about someone that knows someone…and the more it spreads, the more it beomes a “well known fact” or what you call, “Scores of data and first hand stories”!

Thank you
May 11, 2020 11:02 am

Thank you. Not just for informing people about the work being done.

Thank you for coming to NY to help. Thank you for risking your well being to help others. Thank you for leaving your friends and family to come where you are needed. Thank you for being a hero!

Thank you!
May 11, 2020 11:05 am

Wonderful article. Thank you for putting others before yourself. It’s easy for others to criticize from the outside but to hear from someone actually there, seeing and doing it firsthand resonates much more.

Hospital
May 11, 2020 11:53 am

With all due respect. The hospital neglect is not new to this virus, this has been going on for way too long. This virus has just put a magnified glass on the problem. With the sizable Jewish frum community’s in Brooklyn, maybe it is time to start our own hospital, just like we have our amazing Hatzalah, with the highest standards of care.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Hospital
May 11, 2020 2:18 pm

Hospitals are not like pessach hotels with 24/7 all you can eat buffets. They are not resorts or cruise ships. We can’t even get a decent local hotel run by heimish yidden, much less a hospital. And if we did, boy, look out for the complaining!

Don't agree
Reply to  Kop Doktar
May 11, 2020 4:49 pm

Don’t agree. Hatzalah volunteers are the most selfless people around caring day in and out for all. Just like our community is able to run Hatzalah who care for all on the highest level. We are capable of running a hospital on the highest level.

The problem these hospitals have are more then neglect. Their advice and services many times has more to do with their profit margins then saving the lives of the patients they serve.

Please please
Reply to  Hospital
May 11, 2020 3:42 pm

Yes.we should get our very own hospital. We shouldn’t need it. This nurse came for a few weeks and this us what she saw. She cannot speak for the other hospitals nor can she speak of what went on before her noble arrival. Before the public started to publicize the ill. Neglected. Selfish treatment.yes after the blaming sure situation shaped up

Berel
May 11, 2020 12:02 pm

Glad to hear this

I do suspect that not all hospitals are the same

I mean they aren’t the same in regular times

This nurse can speak to what she saw and I believe her

Hatzolah should and probably does keep a list in their heads of the good and bad hospitals

Forsure!
May 11, 2020 12:13 pm

The hospitals never tarve anyone… i guess by some people 15 pound just vanish nto thin air. maybe its a magic trick of sorts

Losing weight
Reply to  Forsure!
May 11, 2020 1:23 pm

You know that any patient who goes in to the hospital for any reason loses weight, right ? The body has a mechanism called STRESS. That combined with being sick and not eating as much, it’s evident they will lose weight.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  Forsure!
May 11, 2020 2:14 pm

Wife gives birth in hospital – 15 lbs vanished in 1 couple of days!

Seriously, anyone seriously ill for a week or two, even if at home with a bad flu, loses significant weight.

Loss of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration all contribute to weight loss, even at home with the best home made foods being offered.

Need more info
May 11, 2020 1:20 pm

This information is good to hear but not very valuable without knowing what hospital you were in and if you were only at one.

What even
May 11, 2020 1:43 pm

I love how this “nurse”is generalizing what happens across all hospitals.
Talk for yourself.
I have family relatives that have died from gross neglect.
Stop making up facts and get a life.

Kop Doktar
Reply to  What even
May 11, 2020 4:58 pm

I love the way you use quotations marks to put down the author. Let me give you a taste of your own medicine.

I love how you claim to have (isn’t it: had?!) so-called “family relatives” that have so-called “died” from what you call “gross neglect”. How does that feel?!

Nice but...
May 11, 2020 1:59 pm

Very believable and well addressed. HOWEVER, you can not simply wipe away the fact that there indeed ARE too many very-questionable hospital staff, including nurses, not fit to be dealing with patients even in good times, how much more so in a pandemic where personal and professional stresses inevitably collide and are at all time highs. You can not say that abuse does not happen in the yeshiva system just because it didn’t happen in your yeshiva! While I fully accept that many have been treated properly, respectfully and professionally, the fact remains that too many were not. I know… Read more »

From the Mouth of a Health Care Professional
May 11, 2020 3:22 pm

I know what’s that about? I would comment that it is helpful and enlightening to hear from a health care professional the medical reasonings for some of these symptoms that may appear frightening.

Propaganda
May 11, 2020 3:33 pm

Which hospital paid for this article? Maimonides? Everything that’s being said about them is true and then some. My father was intubated in an out of town hospital. Before he was he signed that his info could be shared with family and we had complete access to his chart, could see every test and medication etc. We got twice daily updates from doctors and could call to speak to the hook nurse at any time. We knew about every complications and how it was being addressed, and the doctors and nurses rejoiced with us when he was finally extubated and… Read more »

Open Mic
Reply to  Propaganda
May 12, 2020 2:18 pm

“Which hospital paid for this article?” – I am not sure if that is plain chutzpah or silliness.

Dear Ms. Suissa,
May 11, 2020 4:26 pm

You sound like an exceptional person. You left your city to travel to the epicenter of an outbreak to help assist others during a time of need. You risked your own wellbeing to help others. You are a nurse who is a blessing for the patient that is lucky to have you: altruistic, compassionate and responsible. You can testify to good, responsible care where you served. Others are testifying to a different level of care: from the indifferent, to the incompetent, to neglect and yes, abuse. In the midst of the outbreak, more often than not, horrific stories of neglect,… Read more »

Nice
Reply to  Dear Ms. Suissa,
May 11, 2020 5:01 pm

Written very eloquently

Ms Suissa
Reply to  Dear Ms. Suissa,
May 13, 2020 12:49 pm

I second this message. Thank you for being a hero and truly caring for patient’s and putting your life on line. You do not state which hospital you work at. If you work at NYU Tisch, my family member is in the hospital for six weeks and is not being given the best care. Please call me if you can help. Brocha G. 716-568-1425

Thank you!
May 11, 2020 9:36 pm

Thank you for going to NY for help save lives! The health care workers are on the front lines and it’s good you are giving them a fair voice ❤️

THis is a pandemic!
May 12, 2020 9:37 pm

I want to make something very clear, we are in the midst of a pandemic and the beginning of it was even worse! There is a fundamental difference of nursing during normal times and nursing through a pandemic. During the pandemic it was the blind leading the deaf. No one knew what to do and it became abundantly clear early on that Covid 19 took our fundamental medical beliefs and blew them out of the water. The sheer number of people who were infected. The sheer number of Rapid response call and code blue that were called per night turned… Read more »

Dear MS. Suissa
May 13, 2020 12:37 pm

Thank you for your selfless giving to Patients fighting for their lives. May Hashem bless you and all the medical staff that are true heros. If you are working at NYU Tisch, please me. I need help. I have a family member who is suffering from hospital neglect. Maybe you can help me. Brocha 716-568-1425
Thank you!

You are an angel,but not Hashem !
May 15, 2020 5:35 am

The writer of the article is a malach,and definitely a noble person . However only Hashem can be everywhere at once,so its kind of ridiculous for her to be so emphatic about her claims that there was no neglect or Incompetance. Doctors and nurses are people,. There are people who are heros ,and there are people who are the opposite. Most of the medical staff have been wondeful,but a few” incompetent ” people,who were probably very scared can do great harm and did! Not every case of a medical malpractice decision ,is just a matter of getting a good lawyer.… Read more »

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