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Muslim-Born Eliyah Hawila Arrives in Israel to Convert – For Real

Eliyah Hawila, a Lebanese Muslim man who impersonated an ultra-Orthodox Jew, arrived in Israel to undergo full conversion to Judaism. Full Story

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O cool
April 25, 2022 10:02 pm

thought he was found to be jewish

B”h ubezh
Reply to  O cool
April 25, 2022 11:01 pm

He was. By a credible beis din. People need to read the Halacha before jumping to conclusions.

He is still a liar
Reply to  B”h ubezh
April 25, 2022 11:45 pm

The Beis Din was fooled and the Rabbi that vouched for him lied about what he knows about him as well. That makes the beis din, the Rabbi and Hawila all part of the sham. Welcome to Aliwood.

Agunah?
April 25, 2022 11:29 pm

I am not sure why collive and other media outlets are giving him an outlet. Reality is that this looks like an Agunah story in the making. Because he is now supposingly Jewish, the women he was married to might require a get which he is refusing to give. If he truly is an honest person he should give her a get and only afterwards work on getting her back if that is what he wants. As long as he is keeping her chained he is showing himself as an multifaced lying and sadistic person. ישראל… רחמנים… and he is… Read more »

No get required
Reply to  Agunah?
April 26, 2022 2:54 am

He hadn’t converted when they got married, so the marriage is halachically invalid from the beginning, they were never married. Even if he converted afterwards, the marriage is still invalid and she is not an agunah

It was ruled she would need a get
Reply to  Agunah?
April 26, 2022 5:23 am

He was converted out of doubt since he came from more than 4 generations of non observance, and she would need a get because he may have been born jewish

Muslim
Reply to  Agunah?
April 26, 2022 7:27 am

If he’s not Jewish , why does she need a get? The marriage wasn’t valid.

Cyprus
April 26, 2022 12:48 am

Such a warm man, feel so bad he had to go through this.
Disclaimer he almost missed his flight to Israel before pesach but bh he made it safe before yom tov.

Valid conversion?
April 26, 2022 12:54 am

Isn’t converting for the sake of marrying someone not valid? 🤔

Saul Goldstein
Reply to  Valid conversion?
April 26, 2022 2:25 am

Yes and No. wanting to marry was the impetus to spark his interest in Judaism. From what I can understand he found his “Bashert” but realized the problems entailed. So he delved into Judaism deeper (than he ever would have) and found information he never knew. Of course the question is, if this all happened (as it has happened to many-a-GER) only for Judaism sake, would he be converted to Judaism, or merely admire it as a “makes sense religion”. We can never know, after studying Judaism, whether his conversion was “leshmoh” or strengthened even more so by his love… Read more »

Rabbi
Reply to  Valid conversion?
April 26, 2022 3:45 am

Not a straightforward answer. Since no one has agreed to marry him if he converts that is likely not an issue. Bigger issue is, if he claims to have been Jewish to begin with like some have suggested… his marriage is arguably valid. I think it is totally irresponsible for any beth din to allow him to convert even “lechumra” without requiring a gett to the woman he “married” if she so wishes.

Mariya
Reply to  Rabbi
May 3, 2022 12:53 am

But the Beit Din did not “allow him to convert.” It was a giur l’chumra. If there is a strong suspicion that someone is Jewish, a Beit Din cannot refuse them a giur l’chumra. If the Beit Din refused to do a giur l’chumra, then it would virtually guarantee that his wife remains an aguna, because a Beit Din cannot properly adjudicate a get if it’s unsure whether the parties involved are Jews.

That wasnt why he was converted
Reply to  Valid conversion?
April 26, 2022 5:26 am

He was converted because he may have been a jew anyway. There was an investigation going back to his grandmother.

Hmm
Reply to  That wasnt why he was converted
April 26, 2022 10:06 am

Ye he told hes grandmother to say shes jewish what great evidence!

עבירה גוררת עבירה
Reply to  Valid conversion?
April 26, 2022 8:59 am

That’s corect but it doesn’t look like he cares to much obout halacha
Leaving his wife a sofek agunah
And why do you think his wife will ever wanna get back to him?

Mariya
Reply to  Valid conversion?
May 3, 2022 12:48 am

No. The Rambam delved into this question. His answer in brief is that one may convert to have a Jewish marriage/family. That is not an ulterior motive. One may not convert to marry a specific person, but they may convert because they want to marry/raise their children Jewishly.

Why do people keep on doing this?
April 26, 2022 3:16 am

Why should a Jew trying to convert have to go through a video of him in the airport going around? What do think he thinks about Yiddishkeit? I would not be surprised if when he saw this video, he turned around and went back home and forgot about Judaism, and now hates Jews, (which is not good for people in those countries) People have to hold Their photography skill for a different time, and to have a normal decency towards people Not long ago there was a video of a older man on a chol hamoed trip, by a trampoline… Read more »

He’s a Narcissist
Reply to  Why do people keep on doing this?
April 26, 2022 11:14 am

He loves any and all attention. All he cares about is about himself. He is not religious. He is a pathological liar. He doesn’t keep kosher or Shabbos only does so in public. Pretends to be religious on the outside but lives a house of lies. His lies caught up with him once and will catch up to him again. And all of this people that give him a platform to continue his destructive ways to torture a Jewish woman will have egg on their face.

That’s my feeling
Reply to  He’s a Narcissist
April 26, 2022 3:23 pm

I have a feeling you’re right

He did it
Reply to  Why do people keep on doing this?
April 26, 2022 1:55 pm

He did it to himself by being a liar to everyone who trusted him. He lost anyone’s trust a long time ago and he deserves whatever comes along with it. He will always be suspected of lying.

Oh my karen please calm down
Reply to  Why do people keep on doing this?
April 27, 2022 3:56 am

We’re Lubavitch. We don’t enact Gezerahs on stupid stuff like this. If you don’t like it, don’t look at it. Or go and scream about it in the comments like you are doing, but don’t incite a rabbinical enactment my lord xd

Mariya
Reply to  Oh my karen please calm down
May 3, 2022 12:55 am

Agree. None of us know what’s really going on here. People know little but are worked up in a frenzy about someone else’s personal life. It’s madness.

Even HaEzer
April 26, 2022 11:49 am

It would be wonderful if all the shaila paskeners on this forum actually studied the relevant halachos in Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer with the applicable Gemara, geonim, rishonim & acharonim before paskening from their boich svaros.

Ha!
April 26, 2022 1:58 pm

What percentage Jewish is he, like 2%? What a joke. DNA testing means nothing in Judaism. I’m like 1% Eskimo apparently. Maybe I should go explore my roots too. Maybe the beis din should require him to get a pych eval before allowing conversion.

How this adn test work?
Reply to  Ha!
April 26, 2022 3:21 pm

Can u share how it was? Also for what reason someone would do this in jewsih community?

Mariya
Reply to  Ha!
May 3, 2022 12:58 am

But this is a giur l’chumra, not a conversion. It doesn’t matter whether he is 1% or 90% Jewish- if there is a strong suspicion that his mother is Jewish, but he cannot prove it, then he needs a giur l’chumra, and a Beit Din cannot refuse him that. Giur l’chumra does not mean you’re a non-Jew, promising to be a good Jew from now on and you’ve convinced a Beit Din of this. Rather, it means you are suspected of being born Jewish, and this last step is needed to prove it 100%, for the unlikely case that you… Read more »

I don’t think the frum sites should
April 26, 2022 3:25 pm

I don’t think coll and the frum sites should give this fellow any attention or recognition at all!

Ikr
Reply to  I don’t think the frum sites should
April 26, 2022 4:42 pm

The whole story is about the wife, so what do people care about the guy at this point?
At least post something about how is her life now etc, if she is going or not to get a get (non intended xd )

Will this "STORY" ever end?
April 26, 2022 5:30 pm

This fellow is a fake. He is an attention seeker.

Please COL (and other media) stop giving him a forum.

What’s next – a book? a movie?

Puh leaz Enuf already

HE FOOLED YOU
April 26, 2022 7:42 pm

I DON’T GET WHY YOU GUYS ARE BELIEVING HIM. HES A MUSLIM WHO’S  MAKING EVERYONE THINK HE’S INNOCENT AND IS A JEW. WHY DO YOU EVEN BELIEVE ONE WORD THAT THIS MONSTER SAID?
HE OBLIVIOUSLY TOLD HIS GRANDMOTHER WHAT TO SAY AND LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING?
HOW DOES HE EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO LIE AND THEN COVER IT UP. AND THEN A FEW WEEKS LATER SAY THAT HE ADMITS THAT HE LIED. YOU GUYS ARE FALLING INTO HIS TRAP AND BELIEVING HIM.

Yaakov
April 27, 2022 8:39 am

there is NO ” jewish DNA” ..
So absurd that goy think this.

proud jew
Reply to  Yaakov
April 27, 2022 5:16 pm

hey, I have Jewish DNA!!!!

How many times is he going to convert?
April 27, 2022 4:47 pm

If he was already jewish and afterwards a reliable orthodox beis din converted him, then why does he get to convert again?? How many times is he going to convert?
Additionally most people do this very privately, it’s not a show…

Mariya
Reply to  How many times is he going to convert?
May 3, 2022 12:59 am

It wasn’t a conversion, but a giur l’chumra.

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