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Misreading the Frum Divorce Crisis

From the COLlive inbox: “Bad news makes noise. You will always hear about the couple who got divorced over those who got married, especially when they divorced so soon.” Full Story

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I hear your point but don't totally agree
September 8, 2024 11:40 pm

The fact is that the divorce rates have gone up – not just a bit, but a significant amount to realize that something needs to be addressed. HOWEVER, I don’t agree with the writer of the other article about the reason why. Most divorces are usually because of some sort of abuse or major personality issues (aka red flags) that people were not aware of before. Also, another reason, unfortunately, is unhealthy internet addictions – which is definitely something that should be brought to everyone’s awareness. Especially boys should be guided in how to deal with this challenge in their… Read more »

Guard your eyes
Reply to  I hear your point but don't totally agree
September 9, 2024 9:45 am

Listen to the podcast on meaningful ppl lately

https://guardyoureyes.com/
Reply to  Guard your eyes
September 10, 2024 11:36 am
Not just males
Reply to  I hear your point but don't totally agree
September 9, 2024 2:29 pm

Some women sit all night on Instagram, Facebook, etc. Not specifically untznius stuff but certainly not helping if she’s ignoring her husband…

Anonymous
Reply to  I hear your point but don't totally agree
September 10, 2024 4:44 pm

Let’s admit that addiction is much more common than we acknowledge and in this category, I include alcohol and drugs, eating disorders as well as internet addictions (including not only what people are watching but also their habitual use of the internet).

ripe topic as always
September 8, 2024 11:52 pm

Lubavitch system and its married couples have a challenge never faced: A full generation of adults unable to see the rebbe of the type Lubavitch system considered its core foundation, coupled with the full generation of adults being and growing in the information explosion era. The notion of every couple having a third partner (god/rebbe) in the marriage is not the default or only dynamic. There’s a new notion of the couple marrying and staying married because they love each other, not because they have a shared primary objective (create a religious, chassidic family and children). A marriage based on… Read more »

Unfortunately you’re wrong
Reply to  ripe topic as always
September 9, 2024 12:27 pm

It’s not just in Chabad 🙁

Disgusting
Reply to  ripe topic as always
September 9, 2024 2:09 pm

Love is a basic human emotion that has always been a major factor in Jewish marriage. The Tanach is full of stories of love in marriage, take Yahkov and Rachel for example, and the idea that romance is some sort of modern invention is a ridiculous secular idea. Perhaps the only difference In modern times is people think marriage is just about love, and ignore all the other factors that make a relationship work, like having mutual beliefs and goals and a stable financial situation. Love is good, but it’s not everything.

love
Reply to  Disgusting
September 11, 2024 3:14 pm

while love indeed is a basic human emotion, it has little representation in religious chassidic households, and by love I assume we’re referring to intense like and desire of the other’s mind body and spirit – personality – and not what they represent by roles or religion. the examples in tanach are the exception not the rule. mutual goals and beliefs are not only good but almost if not everything in chassidic marriage. love either exists evolves or not and is neither dealmaker or breaker. unfortunately.

Anonymous
September 8, 2024 11:59 pm

In the case of marriage, it’s not fixing something that isn’t broken. You see, a man and a woman getting together for the rest of their life, is a very complex thing. Men and women are opposites in almost every way you can think of. Many people coming into marriage Could have a much easier and pleasant marriage, if they get advice before getting married. This that you say, one piece of advice doesn’t fit for everyone. Many good marriage therapist, have dealt with so many couples, and see the same things repeat themselves time and again. they know The… Read more »

I disagree
September 9, 2024 12:00 am

With the idea “if it isnt broke dont fix it”. There is no need to fix something or take responsibility if everything is alright. It works for: if your feeling fine there is no need to go to the doctor kind of situation. But it doesnt work for situations where humanity is humanity and humanity has make numerous mistakes for years. So I’d rather play it safe and tell my child in advance then to wait for my child to face it and then it’s too late. In addition my child will tell me why didn’t I discuss that this… Read more »

💯 real talk
September 9, 2024 12:07 am

Agree on everything

This response is validating
September 9, 2024 12:22 am

This response is validating to both divorced singles and married couples. Anyone who claims there are so many divorced in the community should conduct a study and present a side by side comparison of married vs divorced couples in the community,the difference will be staggering.

Respectfully Disagree…
September 9, 2024 12:56 am

Your argument against marriage counseling is based on a misunderstanding of its role and benefits. You suggest that counseling imposes a rigid, “one size fits all” method on couples, but this is simply not accurate. Counselors don’t dictate solutions—they create a supportive environment where couples can discover and refine their own unique ways of communicating and resolving conflicts. You argue that marriage is about two people developing their own “physical and emotional language and problem-solving techniques” over time. While it’s true that every relationship is unique, this isn’t contradicted by, nor does it negate the value of professional guidance. Counselors… Read more »

This sounds like an infomercial
Reply to  Respectfully Disagree…
September 9, 2024 1:54 pm

You are right, people have always sought after third party advise, but the question is a therapist/marriage counselor the best person for this. Let’s not forget therapy is a business and cost a lot of money. Why should people waste all that money if they have no real issue in their marriage. Also, in general, therapy is designed to help people heal more than to give people practical advice. From my own experience in therapy, I can say they do very little in teaching people how to live a normal life and mostly just sit there and listened to what… Read more »

Very much agree
September 9, 2024 1:03 am

Thank you for writing this article!!

head in the pillows
September 9, 2024 1:24 am

I recently bought myself 2 extra heavy feather pillows they help me shut out reality. I picture myself back in the 80 and 90s..

all true If....
September 9, 2024 1:29 am

neither of the couple have what’s called a smartphone, cuz that has changed everything………

very well said
September 9, 2024 3:19 am

Having been divorced myself, and remarried for a 2nd time now, I couldn’t agree more, with every word said.

One thing is for sure
September 9, 2024 5:20 am

Once people start telling one side (ie the husband or wife) that the other side is mentally ill, it is a recipe for disaster

Nobody is perfect and these days everyone has ‘their things’ but when a ‘professional’ comes and says he/she is ‘sick’, it never helps anyone

The Rebbe wants us to find a way to make things work NOT look for reasons to thing things are impossible

Walk in the shoes of someone...
Reply to  One thing is for sure
September 9, 2024 9:51 am

…married to someone with untreated bona fide mental illness. Do that before you again say what you said today.
For shame! You don’t know how lucky you are, being so clueless and inexperienced with such a hell!

This is a very dangerous mentality to hold by
Reply to  One thing is for sure
September 9, 2024 2:49 pm

While mental illness in and of itself should not be used as an excuse to bash anyone, there are absolutely instances where a spouse has a legitimate mental illness and it needs to be addressed. Unfortunately I have been privy to seeing what it looks like when that ill person does not take responsibility and ownership for their mental illness and as a result, their life is completely unstable and unsafe, and for the healthy spouse, divorce is the only option. You absolutely cannot come in here and claim that mental illness can’t be cited as a valid reason –… Read more »

a window into this author relationship
September 9, 2024 5:26 am

You criticized the previous writer’s suggestion, (that couples should have counseling etc, being that every counselor is giving advice based on their marriage experience), yet you did just that. So your advice is equally if no value – according to your own thesis. In addition, The reason why you are really off track, being that you are not aware that a professional therapist has their own training and worked out their own personal issues etc and should therefore not inject their personal marriage into the advice they are giving. And so it is , it should be, with a mashpia.… Read more »

Disagree with author
Reply to  a window into this author relationship
September 9, 2024 10:15 am

Exactly what I was thinking. The person writing this clearly never went to a marriage counselor and is equating them with “friendly advice” and “marriage tips” one would get from their friends and family. That indeed is a window in their own experience. (And they evidently didn’t appreciate that sort of advice). But a trained therapist should create a safe space and container for the married couple to work things out in their unique way. Also I don’t like the argument “it’s not on the rise, we are just more aware of it ” nope nope nope. We hear it… Read more »

Communication
September 9, 2024 7:25 am

I think if people learned healthy forms of communication and that’s a lifelong skill it would be beneficial for life overall and very important to marriage. Thjs is a skill one can learn with a counselor or a therapist if needed. Additionally it would help in the dating process to prevent people from getting engaged ti the wrong one or worse.

7 Principles by John Gottman
September 9, 2024 8:21 am

No one should be allowed to get married Without reading AND owning this book.

Gotten is excellent
Reply to  7 Principles by John Gottman
September 10, 2024 2:09 am

Gottman is a wise marriage counselor. He has good values and practical tips to improve and save a Marriage.

Not respecting privacy
September 9, 2024 9:35 am

When spouses are more married to their siblings, Parents, and friends, this is a recipe for disaster.
Marriage is between the husband and wife and siblings should not be mixing in!

Dear Mr Author:
September 9, 2024 10:38 am

Tell me you’ve never been to therapy without telling me you’ve never been to therapy..

Exactly
Reply to  Dear Mr Author:
September 9, 2024 1:39 pm

Yes, it’s not really clear what the article’s author is trying to say. Do not push therapy on me? No one can push it on anyone, especially with $200 an hour price tag. The thing is, even just an *awareness* that you can benefit from a therapy puts you ahead of the curve. Especially in early in marriage.

beautiful theory
September 9, 2024 2:16 pm

This is sounds nice in theory but in reality you cannot anticipate real marital problems until you are married. in first marriages, if you need therapy prior to marriage to solve issues with the shidduch that you are dating, you should probably not be following through with that person…..

reality is that even people who date/live with their partners for years, cannot anticipate how the other partner will change once they are married to them and are ACTUALLY building a family….

Good points
September 9, 2024 3:08 pm

You have some good points. Coming from someone who has been married for 46 years Kah the key word is committed. Of you are committed to the marriage you can, in most cases, make anything work.

Tell me.
September 9, 2024 11:25 pm

If a person Boy/or Girl, where to date and get engaged, and then prepare for their marriage, if the word counseling-marriage counseling EVER comes up before, engagement, and during engagement, my opinion is, THE MARRIAGE IS A DISASTER. And engagement needs to be broken off immediately, For whatever reason it may be. Another thing I want to point out, (Nothing to do with this article) One day, on my long day of work, I went to the Pitza store just to have coffee with falafel, I put myself in a corner so that if I see someone I just ignore,… Read more »

keep up the good work!
September 10, 2024 7:57 pm

I think you should keep going to the pizta [SIC} store and continue spying on those unsuspecting couples.Then make your diagnosis based on a 5 second observation. Under NO circumstances however, should you EVER go to a professional marriage counselor before marriage!!

Respect
September 12, 2024 1:14 am

Without respect, love quickly dies.
Gaining skills & tools to live our lives.
Emotional regulation, healthy boundaries,
good communication, creating a safe space to be heard. Acceptance.

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