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    Lubavitchers To Attend Protest

    Lubavitch chassidim and bochurim will participate in today's mass gathering against the charedi enlistment bill. Full Story

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    what the rebbe said on this matter
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    what the rebbe said on this matter

    pl post what the rebbe said on this matter,end of tishrei 5768.
    thank you

    Just stop it
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    Just stop it

    The whole thing is a political farce. The army doesn’t want them and they want to be able to work so it’s actually opposite of the way it looks

    I thought we knew better?
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    I thought we knew better?

    Why is Chabad joining? This will be another Chilul Hashem, with burning fires and arrests and police horses, Why don’t we keep out?

    Explanation
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    Explanation

    Perhaps someone can explain what is wrong with the enlistment bill.

    You can’t have a third of the country exempt from the army because they are learning in Yeshiva.

    I believe that even the far left MK’s would be willing to work out a compromise if the Chareidim (not Chabad) would be willing to come to the table instead of mooching off the government while not contributing a dime.

    Why?
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    Why?

    Rallies are dangerous. Especially chareidi rallies. Also, for all that rabbanim don’t want men and women mixing – suddenly, for this rally, it’s okay. Suddenly it’s okay to text message. Suddenly everything is okay – except one thing: drafting bochurim who are mostly bench-warmers anyways. And don’t tell me that I’m stereotyping or making it up because I’ve seen it with my own eyes – wayyyy too many times. Hey, even leaving Israel is okay – a few groups talked about mass exodus even though according to halacha there is no good reason for it. Obviously, they’re incredibly smart, too… Read more »

    Moshiach will lead
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    Moshiach will lead

    Let us hope that Moshiach will be in the lead and there will not be any need for further discussions!

    All should serve
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    All should serve

    All citizens should be required to serve. No exceptions other than health issues. Why are Charedi lives more valuable than any others? Why do they feel entitled to take and take and take, and give nothing in return, not only in Israel but in the US and Canada as well?

    Right thing to do
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    Right thing to do

    I’m happy to see this; even though we like to joke that we aren’t really chareidim, the new laws affect Lubavitchers (taking money away from yeshivos and dragging bouchrim to the Army) just as much as other communities. To many secular zionists, we’re just as bad as any other charedi group and standing up to that attitude is the right thing to do.

    to number 7
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    to number 7

    The Rebbe wanted Yeshivah students to learn and not join the army because Israel needs both the army and the Torah which is the real protection ! I understand that without a Tzaddik telling us this we might think otherwise but we need to be bottul to the Rebbe.

    Ridiculous.
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    Ridiculous.

    Part of living in Eretz Yisroel is joining the army and helping to protect its citizens. If you don’t like it, move elsewhere.

    to 2,3,4,5, and 7
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    to 2,3,4,5, and 7

    The Rebbe was AGAINST drafting yeshiva bochurim!

    To 1
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    To 1

    Please be so kind to find a transcript of a sicha in 5768.

    It's interesting to note...
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    It's interesting to note...

    How different Chabad Israel and Chabad USA is, in many ways.

    do not agree with this
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    do not agree with this

    seems to me that this is all just a lazy excuse for that which should be mandatory.

    why shouldnt we join?
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    why shouldnt we join?

    I still have not seen a valid reason why chabad should not join… the whole chareidi world is protesting… so should we

    Serving in the IDF
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    Serving in the IDF

    The ‘Enlistment Bill’ as it is being called in English is a wonderful thing. The IDF is a Jewish army and part of living in a democratic country is the idea of paying back. If the Charedim want money for social programs such as welfare, exemption from taxes, food stamps, etc, then they need to start giving back. It is extremely unfair to expect the government to provide all these programs, but to never reciprocate. Furthermore, those who commented above are correct, most of these boys are not learning in Yeshivah full time. They are just using that as an… Read more »

    Im embarrassed
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    Im embarrassed

    There is no excuse we need to protect the country just like everyone else…

    To #5
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    To #5

    Please read before you comment. There will be no women at e event. And you can leave Israel for many reasons including wanting to learn in a Yeshiva located in Chul.

    dovid
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    dovid

    shame on lubavitch in israel shame on all the rabbonim who signed this paper its against the what lubavitch stands for its against what the rebbe stood for….i cant belief aguch in Israel didnt stand up against this the rebbe was against demonstrations its bittul torah and the rebbe loved the idf and wanted the idf to be strong to protect the jewish people. consider this a mocha!

    To number 11
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    To number 11

    This isn’t merely about bochrim, although on that point you are correct. This is about men, grown men with families, sitting in poverty, all in the name of Torah. I’m not knocking anyone who legitimately leads a life in that spirit; quite the contrary. The issue is when you have a majority of an affiliated group that is exempt from basic service to ones country, and a Jewish one at that, whilst the excusing and legitimizing it all in the name of Torah. It would be in the best interests of those who call themselves Chareidim to submit themselves to… Read more »

    Let's clear this up...
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    Let's clear this up...

    It seems a lot of folks here aren’t familiar with the background to this bill. I strongly recommend listening to Moshe Feglin’s interviews over the last few weeks where he lays everything out. Non-drafting of bouchrim has been the status quo for years. It has nothing to do with welfare or other social services; both rich and poor bouchrim are exempt. However, the Israeli left has always used the lack of chareidi army service as a way to badmouth frum yidden. Israel has won every war they’ve fought with a mostly non-religious army, in the zechus of the many yidden… Read more »

    Rachmono Litzlan!!
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    Rachmono Litzlan!!

    (Most of) The comments here show that ppl who call themselves “chabad” don’t know ANYTHING of the Rebbe’s opinions! The Rebbe’s opinion was straight up BOCHURIM CAN NOT BE DRAFTED! Go learn the sichos! They are printed. The protest was an extreme kiddush hashem, where thousands of yidden – misnagdim, chassidim, sfardim, etc. etc. even zionist rabbis(!) – in achdus said tehillim for the matzav, such a achdus was something the Rebbe asked for time and time again. So before you write what “chabad” should or should not be doing, check up what the Rebbe, who happens to be the… Read more »

    to #5
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    to #5

    how could you say about bouchrim that learn are just
    bench warmers???????????????/

    to #19
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    to #19

    shame on you ! how can you say that the rebbe wants bouchrim to fight instead of going to yshiva even if you are going to say its a great zchus isnt it torah that protects us

    AGREE
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    AGREE

    i agree with that this whole protest has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with what the rebbe taught us. if the rebbe would see such a thing happening, trust me, it wouldnt be a good encouragement for the chareidim in israel…. but also the bochurim shoudnt go to the army. the protest wont help anyways. this is bittul toiro (dont know if u could say that in lubavich) the bochurim have to sit and learn. this would be a good excuse for bochurim who dont like learning. im just ashamed of all the rabbonim and the chareidim for their approve… Read more »

    To #21
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    To #21

    Thank you!!

    a soldiers 2cents
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    a soldiers 2cents

    As a soldier myself I can say thar its not merely a poltical stuntor an act to hurt charedim. There is unfortunately a shortage of soldiers in the army and it needs all the help it can get. Its a shame its being forced on charedim to join the army, but at the same time its forced every other ctizen of the country. In saying that, I do believe that eveey person has a different purpose and strength in this world. Those who are capable of learning full.time must do so and comtribute their ‘service’ this way. The torah has… Read more »

    Woah 21
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    Woah 21

    What a biased explanation! Israel has been pondering what to do with this problem for a while. In just a decade, the chareidim will make up 30% of the Israeli population. That means that almost a third of the country will not be working, and will be living off everyone else’s taxes. The problem Bennett is addressing, is that with the current laws, and ways of the chareidim, if one does not serve in the army, they are not allowed to work. The new bill says that any bochur who is incapable of sitting and learning all day, must serve… Read more »

    to 10
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    to 10

    I second that.

    How will these people feel
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    How will these people feel

    When they are surrounded by chamas animals with knives and guns…we have been killed before…the holocaust happened people….we cant rely on miracles..we have to wake up and stop being delusional

    when the chashmonoim were fighting against the greek -syrians...
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    when the chashmonoim were fighting against the greek -syrians...

    they were also learning torah too!

    Protecting against the enemies does not contradict learning torah.

    good points
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    good points

    Well put 21

    to#30
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    to#30

    I wish there was a like option to give you a thumbs up.

    to#23
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    to#23

    Because it’s true. Learn from history will ya.

    #5 here - to everyone who responded to me:
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    #5 here - to everyone who responded to me:

    1) The draft does not affect Chabad. Yes, you read right – it will not, in the end, affect Chabad. Because it’s a gezeira against chareidim, not against Chabad. Shlichut is now considered sheirut leumi. Chabad bochurim sometimes do draft, just after they finish kvutza, smicha, and they are married. They will not be forced to draft early, or at all, really. And so, why should we join a rally that will only make Hashem’s kaas worse? Oy larasha v’oy leshcheino. Not saying chareidim are reshaim; I have a lot of friends and relatives who are chareidi – but this… Read more »

    To #21
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    To #21

    You’re wrong. This davka doesn’t affect Chabad. First of all, if it would, Chabad yeshivot would become hesder yeshivot overnight. Which doesn’t really make so much of a difference because P.S. – most Chabad bochurim do serve, even if it’s not the full three years. Even if it’s only after kvutza or getting married or whatever. Second, shlichut is now considered sheirut leumi and therefore ANY bochur who does shlichut has discharged his army obligation. And get this – the vote FOR that law was almost unanimous. Plus, you’re forgetting that bochurim are not required to draft at age 18… Read more »

    Also, #21
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    Also, #21

    A lot of chareidim would love to join the army but are scared of being ostracized and cut off without any support, any education, and any future. If EVERYONE has to join it will make a lot of young chareidim secretly very happy. Promise. And regarding the funding – it is an ongoing fight and I can promise you, Lapid is losing. He might be finanace minister but his decisions – all of them – are making the rest of the government extremely angry. And it doesn’t help that his friend, the education minister, also likes to stir things up.

    To 28, 35-37
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    To 28, 35-37

    1) I’m not a fan of Feglin, he just happens to be well spoken on this issue.

    2) My points about Bennett’s politics are accurate.

    3) OF COURSE this affects Chabad. Most Chabad bouchrim get s p’tur and get married or come to the Rebbe, not serve in the Army, and not one single Chabad Yeshiva (that I know of) is funded as Hesder.

    4) There is no shortage of soldiers. There is a bloated, disorganized Army that needs to make better use of what it has. Again, I’m not a big Feglin fan, but he’s right about this.

    To #28 - You're right.
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    To #28 - You're right.

    And it’s a lot more than just 30%…

    To #38 -
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    To #38 -

    1. No problem; it’s irrelevant.

    2. Depends how you look at it. If Bennett hadn’t teamed up with Lapid he wouldn’t be in the government now.

    3. Today there aren’t any Chabad hesder yeshivot. But if they had to choose they’d all become hesder overnight. The amount of Chabad bochurim who serve is outrageous, thanks for ignoring that fact. They do come to the Rebbe, it’s not soteir.

    4. Not now, but in a few short years there will be, and it will take until then to sort out the kinks in this new law.

    A compromise is needed!!
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    A compromise is needed!!

    If it wasn’t for all the non religious zionists who fought for eretz yisroel, the chareidim wouldn’t b there. The chareidim must contribute something to the country…maybe not the full 3 years in the army but at least something!!! Its unfair to have only nonreligious ppl giving up their lives for the country..the chareidim must serve at least a minute amount..also, the government should let them have proper frumkeit in the army

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