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Is It Time to Talk About Expanding 770?

Op-Ed by By Rabbi Gershon Avtzon - Cincinnati Ohio: "All Chassidei Chabad are shocked, horrified and angry about the events that took place in 770. A few heavily misguided “Porkei Ol” decided on their own - against the will of the Rabbanim, Gabbaim and Askanim, and thus against the Rebbe - to “expand 770”. However, these bochurim are obviously missing this basic and important aspect." Full Story

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Intentions are overrated
January 10, 2024 9:18 am

We can pave a long road to he** with all these good intentions…

wondering
Reply to  Intentions are overrated
January 10, 2024 10:28 am

Is it right or wrong to feel strongly that 770 should be expanded?

Clown
Reply to  Intentions are overrated
January 10, 2024 11:25 am

You are an ignorant person

Be Aware
January 10, 2024 9:22 am

Everything that is written about this disaster is being picked up by the press of the entire world .
It would be prudent not to air all of our dirty laundry for the world to see.

Disagree
Reply to  Be Aware
January 10, 2024 11:35 am

It’s picked up and crazy speculations being made already , clarity is helpful to many who want to understand.

Reply to  Disagree
January 10, 2024 7:53 pm

would be more prudent to get order of protection barring
these hamasniks from 770 and crown heights
and changing the failing management gabaiim of 770o who allow these
palesrinian types in the place and thus are complicit

The sad part is
Reply to  Be Aware
January 10, 2024 3:00 pm

This is what some people wanted!

You are an enabler
January 10, 2024 9:24 am

It’s deeply concerning that these young men are displaying such troubling behavior. However, attributing good intentions to their actions, especially when done by a respected figure or ‘mashpia’, is inappropriate in this context. Such behavior besides being barbaric in its own right has caused a chilul hashem that we have never seen before. Those in positions of influence, who might understand these individuals, should first introspect to see if they could have prevented this situation. Additionally, publishing articles that appear to rationalize such actions, even while disclaiming justification, is counterproductive and may inadvertently endorse this kind of behavior in the… Read more »

Clown
Reply to  You are an enabler
January 10, 2024 10:08 am

You probably have never entered 770

Hard to
Reply to  Clown
January 10, 2024 1:20 pm

It was hard to go inside even before the closing because it is always a big mess and hefkervelt

Agree
Reply to  You are an enabler
January 11, 2024 9:28 pm

Thank you for saying it just right!! These pepele are crazy and are detroying peples property!! how dare they have the audasity!! and dont speak to me about how the rebbe loves the bachurim. if they love the rebbe than they wouldnt destroy his shul! This is a massive chilul hashem and chilul lubavitch! They start fighting with the police and throwing bentches. voilince is not tolerated! Then they start singing yechi when they are being arrested! Mamesh a chutzpa. The should go back from where they came from!! This would be absulotly not heard of in another chassidus. I… Read more »

Well said
January 10, 2024 9:25 am

Well said, you hit the nail on the head Rabbi Avtzon!

Unprecedented chillul hashem
January 10, 2024 9:28 am

Thanks to these bochurim the internet is filled with conspiracy theories accusing jews of citywide tunnels and child trafficking. They were selfish, shortsighted, and self righteous. And from what I have seen so far is all they did was increase antisemitism tenfold. You don’t even realize the magnitude of their actions.

Bias
January 10, 2024 9:28 am

You are very wrong.
It’s because people like you that justify this behavior even somewhat that we have this issues.
If a group of guys come to your yeshivah and break down the walls would you say the same!?
You just trying to cover you guilt.

why the hate?
Reply to  Bias
January 10, 2024 10:27 am

what guilt does the dear Rabbi have?
where do you see justification?
did he not write “There is no justification, or rationalization, of such behavior and it is demanded of everyone – “right, left and center”- to make clear that this behavior has no place amongst Adas Chassidim and all need to understand this is not an ideological-”meshichist” issue.”

Fact check
Reply to  why the hate?
January 10, 2024 12:58 pm

There’s a reason the expansion didn’t happen. Because the Rebbe didn’t want it. So it stopped. Learn your history

Source
Reply to  Fact check
January 10, 2024 2:14 pm

Can you cite a source for us so that it can resolve the debate? Even so everyone will twist it to what fits their own belief but if it’s a clear source stating the expansion plans were dropped maybe it will shed some light. Thanks

No hate.
Reply to  why the hate?
January 10, 2024 3:20 pm

The guilt that the yechi chinuch has brought this destruction.
When a few years ago kids were treated violently in 770 just because the didn’t like a Rebbe video played from jem, everyone was silent.
I believe he feels guilty because this are the peiros of the yechi movement.
When you always know better and dismiss the respected rabbonim this is what happens.
Eat what you cooked.

“Eat what you cooked”?
Reply to  No hate.
January 10, 2024 9:20 pm

I think the phrase “You sleep in the bed you make” would be better in this context.

Flatbush yid
January 10, 2024 9:30 am

Yes it’s time to expand 770 and I’m not even a Lubavitcher. I see skver has begun building an expanded shul from five thousand to a new shul that will hold ten thousand chassidim. If they can do it why can’t chabad. Maybe this event will spark people to begin expanding 770 to 7700 chassidim.

First thing first
Reply to  Flatbush yid
January 10, 2024 1:05 pm

If a poor person wins the lottery, chances are he’ll get into more debt because he didn’t learn how to spend money wisely. Same here. If you try to expand 770 and you don’t address the root of the problem, you’ll end up with a bigger mess

Reason is..
Reply to  Flatbush yid
January 10, 2024 2:14 pm

Lots of infighting and confusion on parts of people’s beliefs

Problem is who owns 770
January 10, 2024 9:33 am

While the court cases go on expanding 770 is a problem because to expand the property you have to own it.
Not unless rabbi yehuda krinsky and the gabboim agree on a solution can 770 be expanded.
Now only rabbi krinsky spoke out. Not a word from the gabboim

It’s you
January 10, 2024 9:38 am

It’s you. Hi. Your the problem it’s you.

Correct
Reply to  It’s you
January 10, 2024 11:13 am

At tea time, everybody agrees

100%
Reply to  Correct
January 10, 2024 1:20 pm

They’ll stare directly in the sun but never in the mirror

Definitely
Reply to  100%
January 10, 2024 7:55 pm

It must be exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero

With all due respect
January 10, 2024 9:39 am

I love the fact that you condemn their behaviour. But with all due respect this sounds like the ppl saying “I condemn hammas but you have to understand that this didn’t begin on October 7.” “Open air prison…” This has nothing to do with expanding 770. That these ppl want a Seder and Harchava in 770 is laughable. This problem is going on for far too long because of your approach of “we have to understand where it’s coming from “. Rabbi Gershy Avtzen. Please say this jungle like running of 770 has proven itself not to work and cause… Read more »

Unadmirable, in totality
January 10, 2024 9:44 am

Shame on you. There is nothing admirable about them or any yellow flag Moshiachist. What they are on the inside has been revealed to the outside. The yellow flag movement is an abomination, it has always been, and it always will be. The road to he’ll is paved with good intention. Its time to bury the yellow flags deep under the cemented tunnels and all the Yechi people and their enablers should beg Mechila by the Ohel. They made a chillul lubavitch on Gimmel Tammuz and they continue to do so 30 years later. RACHAMANA lITZLAN!!

SB Drizin
January 10, 2024 9:45 am

R’ SB Drizin tried 20 years ago,he drew up plans, pledged $25m to fund the expansion (https://col.org.il/news/8160). The same group that did this went on a milchoma against him with culminated in destroying the cornerstone etc…and kicked off the last 20 years of litigation between the “gabboim” and merkos/aguch.

a jew
January 10, 2024 9:47 am

Rabbi avtzon most of what you said I’d correct but the pictures that you present where bochrim trying to get the shul ready for the rebbe to come down this bochrim where doing destruction no expansion in fact they caused the lady’s shul to partly closed and now 770 is closed so you can’t compare the two things

Confused Writer
January 10, 2024 9:53 am

With all due respect, this writer is part of the problem…

hashgocha protis
January 10, 2024 9:57 am

that the entire world in one day learned about the expansion of 770. I’m a shliach in a small town A BB called me laughing about this this “non” story that the whole media world has taken on… we ended up having a very serious discussion about the rebbes will to expand 770, at the end of the discussion he wanted to know how he could help.

Expand 770 now… the bigger chilul Hashem is the courts and infighting amongst the leaders.

Fact check
Reply to  hashgocha protis
January 10, 2024 10:32 am

This story never happened

fact check
Reply to  Fact check
January 10, 2024 1:32 pm

never happened is what you want to believe…..it doesn’t fit your narrative, yes it did happen……

small town shliach
Reply to  fact check
January 10, 2024 2:40 pm

I wrote the story…. let me say to my fellow shluchim, be careful the way you answer people , they are not stupid, the way we have built mikvaos and asked people for money for our buildings with barely any plans and oversight,sounds just as crazy as the ones we are talking about..

The BB admire us for this…..

rebuild 770 now!

Look
Reply to  hashgocha protis
January 10, 2024 3:46 pm

I know a chabad house in Queens that has been stalled for decades. It’s not about the infighting. It’s about competency and the gabboim in charge of 770 don’t have it either

Different
Reply to  Look
January 10, 2024 5:49 pm

That’s a different issue that has to do with funds and different politics. And yes of course there is infighting and has been for many decades. Is your head in the sand?

"expansion"
January 10, 2024 9:58 am

What expansion are you talking about? This is pure destruction of the foundations both physically and spiritually of Chabad and 770 with the only motivation being power and control, exploiting the open inviting atmosphere of the Shul. Nothing to do with Maschiach or the Rebbe.

Tanya Perek Chs
January 10, 2024 10:06 am

שאף מי שאכל מאכל איסור בלא הודע לשם שמים וגם פעל ועשה כן איסורה משלוש קליפות הטמאות

Disgusting
January 10, 2024 10:16 am

Rabbi Avtzon, you are an enabler and just as culpable as the people themselves. You encourage this behavior

why the hate?
Reply to  Disgusting
January 10, 2024 10:25 am

Read the article,,, where is the enabling?

Take down the yellow flags
January 10, 2024 10:18 am

And send the bochurim and gabboim away. Then 770 will expand but right now it’s not even safe to be opened for anyone

Let’s slow down, think, pray…
Reply to  Take down the yellow flags
January 10, 2024 11:40 am

Not about yellow flags. Not about “meshichists”. We’re all Meshichists because we want Moshiach now. And there are plenty of people who say yechi or don’t, who have Yechi Yarmulka or not, with and without yellow flags, doing really good things in avodas Hashem, ahavas yisrael, ahavas Torah… Bringing Moshiach. Everyone gets to pray for our own ability to be respectful. A bit off balance and without regard to hilchos shmiras haloshon to equate the disturbed bochurim with the hard working gabboyim i think. I know it’s all upsetting. Let’s stop and pray.

First thing first
Reply to  Let’s slow down, think, pray…
January 10, 2024 1:09 pm

Who let the bochurim in the first place? You don’t want responsible chasidim in charge because they will put an end to the yechi business and that’s why we’ll continue to get these bochurim

My 2 cents
January 10, 2024 10:18 am

As I was growing up, for some unknown reason to me I understood the Rebbe at a certain point became against expanding. Perhaps because of the discord that erupted .
I’m not blaming these bochurim. It’s the chinuch I’m blaming . Their leaders. Their yeshiva

Velvel Lipskier
January 10, 2024 10:24 am

Historical correction to the pictures: The Bachurim did NOT engage in the expansion project in their own. The expansion was Already in progress by a professional contractor. They were having issues demolishing the basement wall between the two buildings, and the Rebbe wanted the shul open for Yom Kippur. So the Bachurim went and helped out with the demolition one night, so that half the wall was down. For YK, they put tables in the other side, so that you could see over the wall, and by Sukkos, the contractor was able to complete the job properly. PLEASE DO NOT… Read more »

Collive
January 10, 2024 10:24 am

Collive you know better than this.
This post should not have been posted.

With all the respect to Rabbi Avtzon, I really enjoy his posts usually but this time…
These boys do NOT care about 770 one bit.

Agree
Reply to  Collive
January 10, 2024 2:02 pm

Point number two. These boys are just the henchmen. They represent a bigger movement and it should be given 0 respect or credibility

Rabbi avtzon
January 10, 2024 10:27 am

You do great things but this is just undermining all your activities, this occurrence has to be called out in extreme terms, the damage these chevra did bgashmiyus ubruchniyus is hard to exaggerate. Please see what’s going on, this is just too much.

Tanya Perek Chs
January 10, 2024 10:31 am

… Even if one ate a forbidden food unwittingly lisheim shomayim …it is held captive in the power of the sitra achra misholois klipois hatmei’ois

NO NO NO
January 10, 2024 10:39 am

absolutely no, shame on rabbi avtzon for writing this & a bigger shame on collive for promoting it there is NO justification in what happened and anyone who tries to justify it, is enabling these actions. exactly what has been happening the past 30 years in 770 & beyond, enablers allowing this chillul hahsem to happen while we are talking about what the rebbe wants (which is mystifying, as those bohcurim didnt think for one second about the rebbe), the rebbe stated that 770 belongs to Aguch. so grow up, admit past mistakes & let the people the Rebbe put… Read more »

Belongs to Aguch
Reply to  NO NO NO
January 10, 2024 4:18 pm

Aguch is meant to be representative of the Chassidim. Quite literally. It’s not supposed to be an individual or independent “owner” but a body representative of all Chassidei Chabad. If Aguch would respect that probably it would be more accepted as an authority. As in Didan Notzach of the seforim , the seforim are the “nachlas haklal” belonging to all of the chassidim and klal Yisrael. As the Rebbetzin ztl famously said ” my father and his seforim belonged to the chassidim” Likewise, 770 belongs to the chassidim (as per the Rebbe’s sichos) and the Gabboim were elected by them.… Read more »

right, but...
Reply to  Belongs to Aguch
January 11, 2024 5:51 pm

Yes, chassidus is “nachlas haklal” — but did you know that in 1990 the Rebbe had the corporate papers of Aguch CHANGED so that there could NO LONGER BE ELECTIONS for Aguch? Meaning, that the Rebbe deliberately removed the option for the “community” to vote for whom they wished into positions of leadership within Chabad. The Rebbe wanted that possibility off the table. The Rebbe installed certain people into Aguch. They are human beings just like you and me. But they were entrusted with this responsibility. And it is they who have the achrayus to step in and change the… Read more »

Reality hurts
January 10, 2024 10:47 am

The truth is this is normal for them if they rip up kehos books, throw eggs at mashpiim spit at rabbinim they don’t agree with attack screens that display jem videos this is a symptom of a much greater problem, the extremist mishichistim starting from zimronis fanatic shittos to punching people by the shvil have been engaged in a mob rule of 770 far to long and I’m afraid to say people like rabbi avtzon with all due respect have also been enabling this far to long. Lhoir a nice chunk of the authors yeshiva this year will not and… Read more »

this is 100 percent accurate
Reply to  Reality hurts
January 10, 2024 1:26 pm

I think anyone rational understands that this misguided attempt to expand 770 is nothing more than criminal vandalism by troubled youth.
There is nothing admirable about their intentions. The only thing to be learned from these lunatics is to stay as far away as possible from them and anything connected to them.

If you take extreme mischechist ideas to the furthest extreme you get bochurim demolishing the Rebbes shul.

If you take the extreme anti – mischechist mara shchoreh “depressed” they are building clean place in queens to receive Brachos via the Rebbe and connect to him.

I am SO impressed that Rabbi Avtzon wrote this..
January 10, 2024 10:50 am

All of us nameless commentators don’t have to “face the music” for what we write.
Rabbi Avtzon – who is an open meshichist (which is perfectly fine) – has come out with such a strong condemnation of these Bochurim (which also claim to be meshichist) and the commentators call him an enabler?
If he would keep quiet, and not condemn, it could be understood as enabling.
He is very brave and has clear shitos.
It seems to me that there are those which don’t like ANY meshichist – and are jealous on the influence the Rabbi Avtzon has..be honest

What a disgrace
January 10, 2024 10:54 am

It’s people like you who make chassidim question the future of lubavitch. We need real mashpiim. You have zero touch with reality. What an embarrassment. Let’s try to see you “justify” October 7th, it’s “Complex” isn’t it? Shame on you Gershon. You don’t see mental illness for what it is and you take advantage and misguide this cancer of a movement by becoming an enabler.

We are all ashamed.

Gold!
January 10, 2024 10:56 am

Finally, putting things into perspective.

Thank you!

short memory
January 10, 2024 11:02 am

this Mashpia forgot that the good intentions of the Meraglim brought bechiyoh ledoiros including the destruction of the 2 temples

That’s his whole point
Reply to  short memory
January 10, 2024 3:10 pm

Read the article!
He points to the lack of leadership in the building and the Yeshiva there.
There is Hefkeirus and no structure and that has to change.

Bochurim need to be guided to use their energy in the right place so they build instead of destroy

Baffled 😮
January 10, 2024 11:11 am

What on earth are you on!!?? This is just a stupid immature and uneducated way of looking at things. You think that 770 needs to be expanded?? What does that have to do with this behavior??? I also think Palestinians need a home. What does that have to do with Israel and their continuous slaughter before, during and after simchas Torah!!?? Go get your brain cleaned and checked. This is unacceptable and unheard of. Connecting the two issues is encouraging their ongoing behavior. “These” people were around b4 Gimmel Tammuz, on Gimmel Tammuz and today after Gimmel Tammuz. When will… Read more »

Agree
Reply to  Baffled 😮
January 10, 2024 2:04 pm

I’m in shock, I am appalled! !!!!!

The drama
Reply to  Baffled 😮
January 10, 2024 2:23 pm

Oy the drama, chill out dude

Rabbi avtzon
January 10, 2024 11:12 am

I’m sorry to say, you are a crazy meshichist yourself,
They had absolutely zero positive intentions, and know it, you are just frightened to speak up against them, and receive backlash. Shame on you.
Boruch

did you read the article?
Reply to  Rabbi avtzon
January 10, 2024 12:48 pm

All he did was speak out against them!

Expanding 770-lifesaving
January 10, 2024 11:12 am

This past tishrei I remember being Squeezed to a pulp and literally felt my rib cage caving in.. Hearing “HATZALAH” during rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur Unfortunatelybecame the norm Expanding 770 is to an extant is to prevent the next meron 2.0 *before pushing aside the Expanding 770 saga ask yourself the simple question retrospectively “when was the last time I was in 770?!” Not in 770 for mincha I mean in 770 for a duration of time to feel how integral the expansion is. Expanding without a permit is ILLEGAL. just don’t jump on this Opportunity saying “aha, you see,… Read more »

Baffled again😵‍💫😮
January 10, 2024 11:14 am

You are just so clearly out of touch no less then these guys!!

Pictures
January 10, 2024 11:15 am

These pictures of Bochrim helping in תשל”ד to expand 770 – was when the workers couldn’t work fast enough then for the Shul to be ready for Selichos. So all the Bochrim got together and helped remove the dirt as fast as possible.

To compare these hoodlums of today to the bochrim then is a Chutzpa!!

"All chassidey chabad are shocked horrified and an
January 10, 2024 11:21 am

you didn’t have to write that as the first words of your article, because I didn’t see any poll asking anyone if they’re shocked etc. si
ar to the last oped dictating to everybody how they should feel you really don’t represent everybody.

I guarantee you a greater percentage of “all Chassidey chabad” are sick and tired of the infighting when together with yngerlite and shluchim building “with nothing from nothing” we could have 770 built Big and beautiful.
Time for new leadership.

Rabbi Avtzon - You are wrong
January 10, 2024 11:22 am

To expand 770 now – a place run by מחוצפים who tear Sichos and Maamorim of the Rebbe (on Shabbos) and do whatever they feel and make a hugh Chilil Hashem – will only make it more comfortable for the hoodlems…

Only ONCE they are removed and dismantled – should 770 be expanded and then all Anash, once again, will come back to daven in 770 once again as in the normal times.

Chash Veshiolom to expand NOW!!

to: Yoy are wrong: Best comment
Reply to  Rabbi Avtzon - You are wrong
January 10, 2024 3:37 pm

Thank you for your wise words

Unbelievable that this can be written
January 10, 2024 11:29 am

There is no way to accept Rabbi Avtzon’s approach. Bochurim have no business involving themselves in matters such as these. Their whole existence is to sit a learn with in the confines of yeshivah. There is no greater chasid than our Rebbe to the Frierdike Rebbe and he never did such outrageous antics and brazenly break multiple dinim in Shulchan Aruch. Such people must be ostracized and those who perpetrated this should be arrested and deported if possible. It is also time for our Rabbonim to step up and take control with the Baalei batim and stop this madness. Voice… Read more »

".....but Their Desire is Admirable”?!
January 10, 2024 11:32 am

Rabbi Avtzon,
Are you serious? You are – sadly an example a ‘Misguided’ – albeit “Admirable” Mashpia!!

Have you ever learned
Reply to  ".....but Their Desire is Admirable”?!
January 10, 2024 2:37 pm

what Chassidus says about Esav? Or the Meraglim? Or Korach? Or lots of other villains of Jewish history? Yes, we do learn about how their desire was admirable but yet not to be emulated – exactly the same as R. Avtzon is saying here.

Exactly
Reply to  Have you ever learned
January 10, 2024 9:23 pm

Was going to say same. Even nadav and avihu, .the rebbe showed us their intentions were out of intense love of Hashem.
Even chet hegel has a positive intention.

Sorry, not proper to address rabbi avtson as in several comments here.

Lastly, I agree tht I also understood way back in the day, tht the Rebbe refused the expansion

To op-ed’er or “mechanich” (so you call yourself)
January 10, 2024 11:35 am

It’s nice to see what Cincinnati yeshivah teaches the bochurim, it’s such stupid and idiotic rhetoric you keep spewing is absolutely ridiculous and it shows what you truly are a terrorist sympathizer, you are no better than the people that say we understand Chamas’s plea it’s disgusting you are abomination and I don’t want you going near any of my kids Chinuch or anyone’s kids for that matter you should stop posting your stupid op-Eds and start educating YOURSELF on how the rebbe wants YOU to behave With hope that Hashem will send you a TRUE refuah shleima along with… Read more »

Comparing?

Let’s compare tzfatim who break a wall and get arrested to ppl who kill babies and kidnap woman, it seems like your the disgusting one. This overreaction is literally insane. Every group has crazies, the right has the the proud boys, the left has blm, satmar has neturei karta, skvere bochur burns a house down, ponovezh bochurim beat up the other rosh yeshiva and the list goes on. If the worst our crazies do is break a wall and get arrested I’ll take that

To the stupid and uneducated “human being”
Reply to  Comparing?
January 10, 2024 3:52 pm

I didn’t say they are chamas I said people like this “mechanich that teach kids to cause such “terrorist” acts are no better then people who support terrorism-like chamas I encourage you to read a book and get a little more educated before you start defending people that to quote the rebbe words to those who do terrorist acts in the name of lubavitch “not only go against me, but all the reabeim till hashem himself But if you think you are still smarter than the rabeim and the rabbonim by all means you go ahead just don’t call yourself… Read more »

absolutely shocked

it is outrageous to speak that way to a veteran mechanech

Take a deep breath

And now count to ten.
You sound angry and confused.

lets not make these "bochurim" sound normal
January 10, 2024 11:51 am

How can you compare the bochurim that originally expanded 770 that truly cared about the rebbe, to these TERRORISTS that seem on drugs and are truly crazy! These guys that dug these tunnels need to be deported and never allowed back into 770. They have zero clue what a rebbe is, they are worshipping a bumper sticker and yellow flag. They couldn’t care less what a chilul hashem the cause every day and caused this week. We are dealing with mental cases! How dare you give it any approval what so ever! You are destroying people from respecting normal meshichist.… Read more »

Terrorist?
Reply to  lets not make these "bochurim" sound normal
January 10, 2024 2:38 pm

How are they terrorists? Crazies yes but terrorist?

Google define Terrorist
Reply to  Terrorist?
January 10, 2024 3:01 pm

ter·ror·ist

noun
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
“four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists”

adjective
unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
“a terrorist organization”

Both can be true
January 10, 2024 11:51 am

Everything R’ Avtzon is writing is the truth.
It’s also true that 770 needs to be expanded.
It’s also true that what happened was a terrible thing, and lot’s of people need to take accountability for it. The Bochurim, their Mashpiim, Aguch, the Gabboim. Years of neglect by the latter two for whatever reason has led to this. Hopefully this is the wake up call they all needed to effect positive productive change..

Correct but they cannot be equated
Reply to  Both can be true
January 10, 2024 2:15 pm

You cannot say 770 needs expasion and these bochurims actions are terrible in the same breath,

There is nothing these boys did that was good not even their intentions

Of course you can.
Reply to  Correct but they cannot be equated
January 10, 2024 5:54 pm

As a daily functioning Shul with the amount of visitors it gets on a weekly basis, especially on Shabbos, there isn’t enough room for the community at large to enjoy it. Most fathers with young children can’t go there and sit comfortably. More often than not they need to stand for the entire Davening. point being, 770 needs expansion. At the same time there is a proper way to have this done. The Bochurim acted on their own without permission or consent of whoever runs 770, and that’s a terrible thing, especially the Chilul Hashem it caused.

Correction
January 10, 2024 12:05 pm

They are not about expanding 770! This hefkairus has been going on for many years. This group has been doing whatever they want in the name of “meshichistim”. Maybe rabbi Avtzon can take them to his yeshiva and admire them when they turn his yeshiva upside down. Or better, maybe he can find a healthy mashpia who will correct their way of thinking!

I'm shocked
January 10, 2024 12:14 pm

If you are considered a mashpia in lubavitch, our children have no future.

Rabbi Avtzon - Go Home - Take care of your Yeshiva
January 10, 2024 12:21 pm

U sound no better than Niturei Karta – c’mon

MESHICHISM
January 10, 2024 12:27 pm

so rediculous

Well written article
January 10, 2024 12:40 pm

I don’t agree with every word but very good overall

Working man daven weekdays 770 shacharis over 15 y
January 10, 2024 12:55 pm

I often am in 600 am and leave around 800 am, every weekday morning for over 15 years. There is plenty of room in that time every morning, maybe about 5 percent of large shul used, maybe 10 percent. I understand a few times per year it is too crowded, when tourists come in. . Actually the massive Tishrei tent ,coupled with Rubashkin sukkah on President are very nice. Thank you to those who made Tishrei nice. There are civil ways to make normal improvements. I do understand much lashon in sichos and maamarim is about maal’a tam v’das. This… Read more »

Irony
January 10, 2024 1:01 pm

You are one of the greatest enablers of these sorts of bochurim in all of Lubavitch.

Disgusted
January 10, 2024 1:02 pm

so sad to see a so called “mashpia” write like this you are the problem to whatever happened!

THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE PLANNED EXPANSION... !!
January 10, 2024 1:29 pm

Look at the pics of the planned building facade for our 770. It’s is
a “spaceship”.

Get a new architect, one more in line with the sensibilities of a holy
shul like 770!!!
https://www.sw-architect.com/770-eastern-parkway

"Expansion" demolishing the Rebbe's Library?
Reply to  THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE PLANNED EXPANSION... !!
January 10, 2024 3:14 pm

How dare these people draw up plans where the Rebbe’s Library “the Crown Jewel of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement” would be destroyed Chas Veshalom to build their ugly modern structure in its place, and line their own pockets. This is an outrage. Do people in Lubavitch realize this is what they have planned? Or are they deceptively not mentioning this and not showing these pictures of the actual architectural plan in all their aggressive flyers they put in all the shuls of CH on Erev Shabbos to try and brainwash and intimidate people, saying their lines of how the Rebbe wants… Read more »

Relax
Reply to  "Expansion" demolishing the Rebbe's Library?
January 10, 2024 7:26 pm

No one said this is what 770 will look like after expansion. Think of it as conceptual art, anyone may draw their imagination on a canvas, though reality is not required to reflect that image.

Are we serious?????
January 10, 2024 2:08 pm

With all the hate that we have in our hearts and every body blaming each other for our problems! EVERY CHABAD CHOSSID IS TO BLAME!!!! WE ARE IN GOLUS BECAUSE WE CAN’T DEAL WITH OUR OWN ISSUES!!!! HE’S ANTI, HE’S MESHICHIST HE DID THAT, HE DID THIS, I’M THE BEST, I’M THE RICHEST, IM TO POOREST ETC ETC WE ARE ALWAYS POINTING OUR FINGERS TO OTHERS!! THEN THIS HAPPENS, AND THE HATRED BETWEEN OURSELVES JUST GROWS MORE AND MORE! EVERYONE SHOULD DO A VERY DEEP CHESBHON NEFESH, EVEN THE ONES THAT NEVER SAID ANYTHING, BECAUSE OUR ACTIONS, MODERN CHABAD, CHABAD… Read more »

Schmerel
January 10, 2024 2:36 pm

As Chazal say Peninah was also l’shem shomayim. And as the Kotzker said “such rishus could only be l’shem shomyim…” meaning that no one could do such an act of rishus without justifying and convincing themselves they have noble intentions. The bochurim’s behavior is unacceptable. Period. No excuses. If you want to discuss the “root cause” then remember what the Ben Ish Chai said in an indirect but obvious reference to the famous expression “the road to gehonim is paved with good intentions” The reason for that is because no one who is pure altruism and looking to do the… Read more »

Horrific
January 10, 2024 2:39 pm

There’s no room for two sides here, period.
Are you burying your head in the sand regarding all the other vandalism and violence that these same perpetrators are doing? shameful.

Protect the Rebbe's Shul
January 10, 2024 2:45 pm

The Meraglim had good intention. Korach had good intentions. Satan had good intentions. When a travesty occurs, a destruction of the Beis Hamikdash, Beis Rabbeinu Sheb’bovel before our eyes, it is not the time to defend the rogues and destroyers and shift the blame. The Issur of destroy the Beis Hamikash applies to maliciously removing even one stone.

A need for central control
January 10, 2024 3:06 pm

I think this situation stems from the top. 770 needs to be run like a business. There needs to be an owner, administrator and board of directors. With this in place, there would be hired guards patrolling 770 – 24/7. Strict rules for entrance, conduct, etc. would be enforced at all times. Once this is in place, then discussions about, for example, expansion and labels for these bochurim can be discussed. This is about structure, authority and boundaries. Get your act together!

yes
Reply to  A need for central control
January 10, 2024 4:29 pm

I agree and face recognition of every Jew that wants to step foot in 770…

a test
Reply to  A need for central control
January 10, 2024 4:31 pm

and a test of this year’s basic legani 5724 second paragraph re: mesiras nefesh for kedusha.

Heads we win
Reply to  A need for central control
January 10, 2024 6:12 pm

Rabbis and scholars are called the “eyes of the community” and “heads of the thousands of Israel,” and when the head is healthy, the body is then also healthy.

Back to Dor haflaga?
January 10, 2024 3:12 pm

Like honestly…these people are like the babylonians trying to reach g-d and working so well together to build with good intentions but they are getting it so wrong!! Honestly! I feel for their neshamos! May they have a refuah shleima!

a test
Reply to  Back to Dor haflaga?
January 10, 2024 4:34 pm

actually may this generation with the koch in Instagram tiktok Netflix have a refuah shleimah can u imagine if every Lubavitch bochur was on fire for the rebbe’s rotzon

The guy from Cincinnati again
January 10, 2024 3:24 pm

The issue of expanding 770 at this point is irrelevant, when we have such barbarism in 770 that and only that is the big issue now and not expansion. When these thugs are finally deported for good and this recklessness is long gone then it may be appropriate to discuss other issues. Rabbi Avtzon is obviously missing the point as usual and instead of focusing on the real current issue is in fact supporting these terrorist criminals. What you’re saying is basically Just give them what they want and expand 770 and show them that their terrorism achieved its goal.… Read more »

There must be consequences
January 10, 2024 3:43 pm

Society is becoming unhinged. >The eerie similarities to this event and what is going on in Eretz HaKodesh is chilling. Yes, and it’s the same with the the US political scene. People just want their own camp to win and to get one over on others, even if it’s not fair, even if it’s not just, even if it’s not legal. You use your own beliefs to justify your actions and put your beliefs over those of others. I never would have thought I would have seen Chabad behave this way – on both sides. The disrespect for police, the… Read more »

מחאה
January 10, 2024 3:45 pm

Rabbi Avtzon, In this situation there can be no “But” or justification for what they did by saying their intentions were good. Perhaps you can say that the Romans who destroyed the Beis Hamikdosh had good intentions as well. These hooligans are criminals and you should say that without hiding their crime or trying to gloss it over or pass the blame. They are criminals, enemies of the Rebbe and you should be able to call out evil without following your criticism with a justification or but. In my mind, destroying the Rebbe’s shul where he davened and farbrenged for… Read more »

Expanding 770
January 10, 2024 3:51 pm

770 needs to expand. But not in the way these “bochurim” did. It needs to expand by being part of the Beis Hamikdosh Hashlishi. That should be our focus now. How can the Beis Hamikdosh be rebuilt if there is machlokes and disrespect for authority?

MENACHEM EDELL
January 10, 2024 4:05 pm

Although the rebbe did want to expand 770 that doesn’t mean the ratzon of the bochurim to break down walls without reshus -in other words, to DESTROY- 770 is admirable!!! what they did is disgusting, and the fact that these same bochurim think that they are fulfilling the Rebbe’s ratzon, and that they are singing didan notzach is literately disgusting! Therefore to say that their ratzon is admirable is borderline kefira, and should be oppoligized for!!!!!

As a former student of yours
January 10, 2024 4:21 pm

If this happened in your yeshivah, those bochurim would have been kicked out. You have kicked out students who vandalized, going so far as threatening to ruin his wedding. So please stop preaching to the people who live in crown heights and have to deal with the backlash from this.

Some nerve you have
January 10, 2024 4:56 pm

It’s a little bit too late to try and disassociate yourself from the issues that your ideas and endorsements have created.

This is YOUR mess, we are just suffering from the consequences

Leah
January 10, 2024 4:59 pm

Just as people’s faces are different so are their minds where’s the respect we speak to each other ?? Unity and achdus brings Moshiach

Let's put the responsibility where it lies
January 10, 2024 5:11 pm

Whoever caused damage is certainly 100% responsible for it and also for ignoring authority. However, what OTHERS are more responsible for is the chilul H-shem, the very negative and widespread publicity in the Jewish and secular worlds, and the very misleading story told to the world that the “bochurim learning in 770 were trying to ‘destroy 770′” which is actually very different than “a group of bochurim unlawfully tried to expedite the expansion of 770 without permission and caused damage” -These serious effects which by far worsened the situation were caused by what seems to be the completely incompetent and… Read more »

No way
January 10, 2024 5:15 pm

We cannot even begin rationalize what was done, not even in the slightest!

“Their intention: to expand 770”
January 10, 2024 5:31 pm

Was that intention when they through eggs at the Moshiach Shiur last year?

These are terrorists that want nothing good.

Get real. Get them out

#aliveandwell
Reply to  “Their intention: to expand 770”
January 11, 2024 12:39 pm

Moshiach now!!!

Gershy
January 10, 2024 7:43 pm

Gershy you are part of the problem. Your whole article should have been the first two paragraphs. All you needed to do is condemn, condemn, condemn. The problem is that really you support them because you share their ideology to an extent. So you need to look good for yourself as if you are condemning and then you go into a whole story about expanding 770. It’s like saying that the Arabs want a state, so therefore October 7 was justified. You and those who believe in what you believe in need to change your mistaken ideology. We the mainstream… Read more »

With All Due Respect
January 10, 2024 8:15 pm

The day after the worst Chilul Hashem in the HISTORY of the frum world instead of writing an oped wondering how your friends who run Tzfas or Queens produced such a delinquent group you write about how the road to H**l is paved with good intentions.

Apology due to rabbi avtzon
January 11, 2024 10:13 am

All those that tried to character assassinate him, as if he was somehow endorsing or enabling. He wrote the strongest words “that right left and center” need to make clear that they are against and them people say that he is enabling?? Pleazs!!! Honesty needed here. It also seems that some feel that all meshichistem are in essence enablers of terror and that is a very dangerous and erronious mindset

media
January 12, 2024 12:31 am

in Hollywood . they say even bad press is good press. for sure what the bochurim did was terrible, everyone knows that, you don’t need to be a lefty or non meshichists to know that,( although you guys love using it as an excuse not believe,( but thats for another time) on a positive spin, the world is talking about 770 , and again the Rebbe,770 beis moshiach will always be a topic for people to talk about

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