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Wear a mask
October 13, 2020 12:53 pm

If y’all started wearing masks then Maybe people would stop blaming us!

Anonymous
Reply to  Wear a mask
October 13, 2020 5:07 pm

The notion that mask wearing prevents a virus is a lie meant to mislead people into blaming each other. It’s simply not true and has yet to be proven otherwise. Contrast the countries with high compliance and those without. And countries with preventative treatment and those without. See Dr. Zev Zelenko’s Twitter feed for the data.

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Ipcha mestabra
Reply to  Anonymous
October 13, 2020 5:47 pm

There is a mountain load of evidence masks do help. Both epidemiological and actually testing the masks with particles. And being that in reality they are a no risk intervention it’s pretty much a no brainer. This is medical flat-earthism

Masks
Reply to  Ipcha mestabra
October 13, 2020 6:36 pm

And so does not driving a car prevent motor vehicle accidents! Except that people have died before motor vehicles came around.
Is the inconvenience for many people in respiratory distress or compromised oxygen intake from wearing a mask all day, including people who do lots of physical labor and busy moms, etc worth it? Truthfully with Covid deaths down to almost 0 in NYC?

Look at the data another poster put up earlier. And look at the big picture. Gadlus not katnus.

Anonymous
Reply to  Ipcha mestabra
October 13, 2020 6:40 pm

I guess you never needed to study for the OSHA certification. And yes there are risks with wearing masks, primarily a lower oxygen saturation. And it can be deadly depending on the level of exersion and activity which requires an increased oxygen intake. It’s amazing how covid upended years of studies on appropriate usage of masks. Do the research!

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Deaths
Reply to  Anonymous
October 14, 2020 4:23 am

Way higher numbers of people wear masks than had Covid, yet I haven’t heard of one person dying from wearing a mask. But I know a lot of people who died from Covid. Including my father. And no, it was not the hospital’s fault.

Dr. Fauci
Reply to  Ipcha mestabra
October 13, 2020 6:42 pm

Dr. Fauci himself has gone back and forth on masks. The evidence is, at best, mixed.

Anonymous
Reply to  Ipcha mestabra
October 13, 2020 7:01 pm

The CDC/EPA/WHO inadvertently refutes your claim.

CDC: cloth masks do not catch wildfire harmful particals.
EPA: size of harmful wildfire particals are 0.4-0.7 microns
WHO: covid virus is 0.1 microns

Shlomo
Reply to  Anonymous
October 14, 2020 9:06 am

The virus may be 0.1 microns but individual viruses (virions) aren’t the problem. The problem is with droplets made of phlegm, saliva, etc., and a load of viruses.

Anonymous
Reply to  Ipcha mestabra
October 13, 2020 7:05 pm

How can you call it medical flat-earthism when Doctors I know will quietly admit how absurd mandated masks are for a virus? Honestly, I heard this from the most super protocol compliant Doctor that I least expected would question what he’s told by the health department.

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Anonymous
Reply to  Anonymous
October 13, 2020 7:52 pm

Latest interview with Dr. Zelenko and Dr. Risch… Very informative…
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/288940

Thats like saying "if we acted more like others...
Reply to  Wear a mask
October 22, 2020 4:45 pm

Hi, Your statement sound like the same thing the “Maskilim” said. Which is “If we acted and looked more like our non Jewish neighbors, then we would never have a problem with anti-Semitism”. There was a video going around in BP of a guy taking a video for a news station but he only took the video of the PPL not wearing a mask. He was even having a hard time finding anyone like that. You can say he was simply out there to make trouble for the Jews. We have a problem. PPL should be wearing masks. But your… Read more »

not one word about the absolute hypocrisy
October 13, 2020 1:39 pm

It is not your responsibility or place to apologize for, and say how appalled you are about Yidden not wearing masks or social distancing. Especially, if you do not say one one word about the absolute hypocrisy (fueled by hatred of Yidden) of how local gvmt, many NYers, and all types of media, hail mass gatherings of protestors and even rioters as amazing; and are all over Jewish communities at the slightest anything they deem they don’t like. Call a spade a spade. Speak out clearly about the complete double standard. About the absolute hypocrisy. About the hatred you do touch… Read more »

This
Reply to  not one word about the absolute hypocrisy
October 13, 2020 4:05 pm

Agree

Well maybe people should wear masks then
October 13, 2020 1:50 pm

They are fueling the fire

Sorry
Reply to  Well maybe people should wear masks then
October 13, 2020 5:41 pm

The people in charge who equate not wearing a mask with murder is to blame. Highly questionable claim without much scientific basis. Remember masks have been around and well studied in specialty fields long before covid. And facts don’t lie

Not anti-Semitism, plain facts!
October 13, 2020 1:55 pm

Over and over again, both in the Jewish press and in the mainstream media, e.g. NYTimes, Times of Israel, etc. irrefutable evidence has been shown of utter disregard and contempt for the most basic safety rules, by a large majority os ultra-orthodox Jews in NY area. A simple and immediate proof can be found right here in this very same website; check the coverage for Motzei Simchas Torah at 770, the pictures are unbelievable and speakfor themselves. I’m a Brazilian Jew and I have the utmost simpathy for Chabad, but what is happening in the frum community in NY is… Read more »

But no
Reply to  Not anti-Semitism, plain facts!
October 13, 2020 2:40 pm

There are still HUGE protests, parades, political rallies, sporting events and activist gatherings throughout NYC, and the country.

This!
Reply to  But no
October 13, 2020 4:29 pm

True!

Sorry
Reply to  But no
October 13, 2020 5:56 pm

It’s irrelevant what other people do. Many don’t wear masks because the scientific data does not justify it’s use for covid. It’s use is being pushed as a cure for covid by people with deeply political interests that have nothing to do with health. Furthermore they are blackmailing any dissenting medical opinion and there are many. Since we live in America we have an inalienable right to preserve our basic freedom and liberty. That is the key to peace and prosperity. There are way more effective and respectful solutions to covid than submitting everyone to this mask abuse

Masks
Reply to  Sorry
October 14, 2020 4:26 am

The vast majority of medical and science professionals suggest mask wearing. Those who say otherwise are obviously the brainwashed.

Well said
October 13, 2020 2:06 pm

Thank you

Anti Semitism doesn't absolve responsibility
October 13, 2020 2:34 pm

Many in the Orthodox are using claims of double standard enforcement as well as antisemitism as an excuse to gather and go without masks. In fact, the response should be the reverse. Show that we are responsible citizens. It may even save lives. And as an Orthodox person, I am witness to this: A higher percentage of Chassidic people are, indeed, not taking the Covid protection measures seen in most of the world. This has held true since Pesach. Since before summer, regular supermarkets are full of masks where at a kosher grocery you won’t find many, if any at… Read more »

It's funny and sad
October 13, 2020 2:37 pm

…how in today’s world, where any group can claim victimhood and thereby rise up the totem pole of intersectionality, Jews have never done so on any large-scale. Imagine we start a new group, along the lines of “Jew Lives Matter”. Then, due to their woke-ness and virtue-signaling righteous rage, every other victim group (plus white liberals) would jump to our cause, and help us burn down a dozen cities. It would obviously never happen, both because the Jewish community are, by and large, mature adults with responsibilty and morality, and because anti-Semitism is real, and wouldn’t allow us to ever… Read more »

You are right well said
October 13, 2020 2:50 pm

Of course the scourge of anti-Semitism is always lurking beneath the surface. But we are greatly feeding it, by openly flouting the laws, by appearing to not care at all or take any responsibility. Those photos of Selichos in 770 were posted on every media outlet, including the New York Times, jampacked like sardines, very few masks, all contrary to the law. I was so ashamed. My frum non-Chabad friends and Jewish secular friends and non-Jewish colleagues kept on asking me why this was happening, this was a Chillul Hashem. And they are right. What was I supposed to say… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  You are right well said
October 13, 2020 9:28 pm

What was I supposed to tell them?

How about…

1) Selichot has profound meaning (borrowed from the Mayor)

2) the people who went either had it already, were heavily exposed to it already and/or are young category with zero risk to themselves.

3) It’s a free country

Aaa
October 13, 2020 2:52 pm

I have yet to see the negative results of all the lack of mask wearing in crown heights.

We are beginning to see them now
Reply to  Aaa
October 13, 2020 5:34 pm

That is why the jewish neighborhoods now have highest positivity rates in the state….

Anonymous
Reply to  We are beginning to see them now
October 13, 2020 6:44 pm

Or the Jewish neighborhoods have a higher rate because of increased testing?

Yup
Reply to  Aaa
October 13, 2020 5:58 pm

That is exactly why the mayor and governor are cracking down so desperately now. They are afraid that their lies will be blown completely apart and they will then lose their now unlimited power to control every aspect of our peaceful lives.

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Why are there large weddings and simchos?
October 13, 2020 3:14 pm

Why are frum communities (and almost only Jewish communities) holding massive indoor weddings? Mostly unmasked? Because BLM protesters were allowed to gather? Because Floridians gather outdoors on a beach? Because sports events happen outdoors? Are those reasons to allow a virus to spread and potentially kill fellow yidden? Because let’s be honest, even if it is a choice whether or not to attend a simcha, it is potentially dangerous right now. I know quite a few frum New Yorkers who are affected right now. Young unmasked people can leave the event and bring the bug home to vulnerable populations. No… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  Why are there large weddings and simchos?
October 13, 2020 6:07 pm

Because we are not afraid of covid anymore. We know how to prevent it and treat it right away. Without the masks. Thank you rofeh yedid Dr. Zev Zelenko! I can attest that it works my mother got better from covid by getting treated right away with hydroxychloriquine and zinc. In addition, his daily recommened supplement of quercetin and zinc also staves off other coronas like the common colds. My husband gets a cold every time this year that usually develops into a bacterial infection but not this year! Within a day or two of the familiar cough he got… Read more »

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Still potentially dangerous
Reply to  Anonymous
October 14, 2020 4:32 am

Gatherings are still potentially dangerous. And they certainly lead to chillul Hashem.

Governor doesn't wear a mask on TV. He's indoors!
October 13, 2020 3:35 pm

…and if your explanation is that they are spread out – well than so can many larger shuls. This nixes his executive order on indoor gatherings. Point.

Covid disproportionately affects ALL minorities
October 13, 2020 4:15 pm

Every left-wing newspaper has been running articles about how minorities are disproportionately affected by covid because of racism against them.

Yet when covid disproportionately affects Jews, Jews are to blame. Perhaps orthodox Jews are disproportionately affected because of anti-semitism?

Of course they won’t say they are unable to see Jews as victims despite more hate crimes against us than all other groups combined.

Mig
October 13, 2020 4:43 pm

This whole thing is a hoax (not the virus but the reaction to it) and many Frum Jews are falling for it or they prefer to just follow the goyim because they are afraid to stand out. People! nonJews everywhere are fighting by protesting peacefully against social distancing and especially masks. They are demeaning and controlling. The deep state wants to control the people and we are being scapegoated. Wake up, yidden!! It is time we fight back! Not through violence but by peaceful protest. If it means going out in the streets like in BP and burn masks so… Read more »

Not really...
Reply to  Mig
October 13, 2020 5:37 pm

I disagree with your premise, as many protesters were masked, not widely happening now and no other ethnic group as a unit flouts mask wearing and distancing in NY

But….. even if it were true – the “norm” right now is to be cautious and to do otherwise is the very definition of a chilul Hashem. You can’t even count how many Jews you’ve been merachek as well. It’s the saddest thing to watch. And for nothing!

Masks
Reply to  Not really...
October 13, 2020 6:40 pm

Oysh. Stop reading blogs and please look at the raw data i posted below from the NYC website.

Mig
Reply to  Not really...
October 13, 2020 8:10 pm

No true. Many went unmasked. If you are soooo concerned about the virus why aren’t you questioning the rioters and looters who are certainly not following mitigation rules and are not being arrested or reported by MSM? But somehow we are making a C’H? Pleease! Following and believing in the goyim about this virus is a C’H? G-d doesn’t want us to panic. He doesn’t want us to follow the goyim. He wants us to become closer to Him and trust Him. Not Dr. Fauci. Not the CDC, NIH nor the WHO.

Anonymous
October 13, 2020 4:47 pm

What is blatantly ignored is the basic right each individual has to make their own medical decisions with their own doctor without government interference. Mandating masks for everyone is unconstitutional and greatly infringes on a person’s individual liberty. Especially considering that science does not support the use of masks for a virus and that most people under 65 yrs of age has a 99 percent chance of recovering from covid without a problem. We should have a choice what we wear on our face. Lastly, there are remarkably effective treatment and prevention options for the at risk group that also… Read more »

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A few points
Reply to  Anonymous
October 13, 2020 5:40 pm

The data on masks by now is pretty clear. It’s close to irrefutable that they are the single most important intervention right now. As far as the law – last time I checked that’s up to the courts to decide and everywhere they’ve tried mask mandates have been upheld as constitutional. You’re also majorly understating the risk. Even if the number was .5% – are you ok with 1 out of every 200 people being critically ill or dying?? Out of a million people that’s 5,000. Also the long term risk in many otherwise healthy individuals who DO recover is… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  A few points
October 13, 2020 7:14 pm

99 percent recover without needing intervention, the rest have access to effective prevention and treatment. How can you still say this virus justifies taking away people’s basic civil rights?

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Fatality Rate
Reply to  Anonymous
October 13, 2020 10:21 pm

Based on the latest data on confirmed cases and deaths, around a 2.6 – 2.8% fatality rate worldwide, overall with the rates lower for young people and higher as age increases. The fatality rate in NY state has been closer to 7% of people with COVID. Even if it were only 1%, that means if you let everyone get infected, as not wearing masks, not social distancing, etc. leads to millions and millions of more deaths. Countries like Viet Nam, Taiwan and New Zealand have kept the rates much lower with almost universal and consistent proper use of masks. It… Read more »

Not same in times of pandemic
Reply to  Anonymous
October 13, 2020 11:48 pm

The people have rights to make medical decisions for themselves in case no one else’s but theirs safety is involved. In times of pandemic, epidemics, however, the government can step in and set rules, as common safety is involved. Right now the second wave of epidemics seems to be starting, with the positive tests results going up and all. Although it does look like it is going to be not nearly as deadly as the first one, probably, because significant number of population already got the decease and are protected by antibodies, the situation still needs to be treated with… Read more »

The data is biased! See the NYC website!
October 13, 2020 4:58 pm

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-recent.page Select the data as an Accessible table and sort by “Weekly case rate trend (per 100,000)”. Zip codes with MORE cases than the orthodox Jewish areas for the past 4 weeks: 11223 – Gravesend/Homecrest has 123-236(!) cases per 100k people. 11230 – Midwood has 100-209(!) per 100k – home to a large Muslim population by the way… . .. 11219 – Boro Park is 27th on the list! that’s right 27th and has only 33.4 – 146.5 cases per 100k. 11213 – Crown heights is 111 on the list!! That’s right based on past 4 weeks only has 15.5-35.7… Read more »

Flawed analysis.
Reply to  The data is biased! See the NYC website!
October 13, 2020 5:43 pm

The states interventions are best on the test positivity rates and trends, NOT on the cases per capita you site. This is because this is a better early intervention and gives an idea of what will happen. Also many of those “non-Jewish” zips you site are currently also subject to same restrictions. You have to be extremely paranoid delusional to see any targeting or anti-semitism in this. It’s simple math and health interventions. And we’ll be the first to benefit – if we only comply!

Disagree
Reply to  Flawed analysis.
October 13, 2020 6:48 pm

I didn’t say this started as antisemitism, and I’m not delusional, thank you.

I do believe that once there is a tiny shred of data (1-2 weeks at best of data) to back up their notion – it’s full steam ahead. At least the closures this past week. You have to see the possibility and thus stop the hate and hype. Deaths are still near 0 for the past 4 weeks. that has not moved anywhere in the past 2 months.

Stop looking to hate your own. We are good. We comply mostly and we are not “carriers”.

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Remember
Reply to  Flawed analysis.
October 13, 2020 7:17 pm

When you trade freedom for security you will be left with neither freedom nor security

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comply shmomply
Reply to  Flawed analysis.
October 14, 2020 11:48 am

“Early intervention”? By laying BLAME at our feet on national TV? Stop it.

Gravesend/Homecrest a source of infection?
October 13, 2020 5:09 pm

Is it possible that Hispanics or other workers living in Gravesend/Homecrest (Zip 11223) are spreading to other areas, such as Boro Park and thus causing this uptick?

Look at the data under “Recent Testing by ZIP Code” and look at the map…

Yidden are not the cause here. Look at the actual maps, Please!

Anonymous
Reply to  Gravesend/Homecrest a source of infection?
October 13, 2020 6:51 pm

Who cares? It’s irrelevant. This virus is here to stay. Time to learn to live with it. It’s not nearly as deadly as originally thought. And most deaths are from the elderly/sick and could’ve been prevented with early use of hydroxychloriquine according to Dr Harvey Risch.

Dina deMalchuta Dina
October 13, 2020 8:56 pm

We have to follow the rules in the place where we live
In private gatherings you don’t have to wear masks if you chose so
On the outside gatherings we should , it doesn’t matter if helps or not , just to comply with government rules
Inside shuls today we should wear a mask just not get locked down

Dina etc. when it makes sense and doesn't bias
Reply to  Dina deMalchuta Dina
October 14, 2020 11:50 am

…and the “dina” is for the people by the people.

Democratic denial
October 13, 2020 11:16 pm

Mrs. Halberstam, your son, Ari, HY”D, was murdered by an Islamic terrorist. In October, there were huge gatherings of Moslems, in Queens,  to commemorate something called arbaeen,.  Also large muslim events  took place in Manhattan and Kensington in August. While blaming Jews, Cuomo made no mention of Muslim events. There are plenty of mosques in DeBlasio’s watchlist. Would any democrat threaten Muslims?  Read this article for more information: https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/while-cuomo-targets-orthodox-jews-muslim-mass-daniel-greenfield/

Accuracy please
October 14, 2020 12:12 am

They lost me at the part where they claim that most people in the Crown Heights [Chabad] community are wearing masks and social distancing. That’s obviously completely untrue and really undermines the rest of the article.

Pandering to the political bosses
October 14, 2020 11:54 am

An article bowing to the false assertions the government has repeatedly made about this virus. Based on the low number of hospitalizations and practically no deaths the virus is obviously in decline especially in charedi communities since we have herd immunity as we mostly contracted it back in March. Locking down the healthy in any community was the wrong approach in March and is especially wrong now. Sweden is a good example of not locking down and getting over the virus in 2 months. Quarantining just prolongs the spread of the virus which is appropriate only to keep hospitals from… Read more »

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