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Crown Heights Jews “Stand With Our Black Neighbors”

A few hundred Crown Heights Jews joined a march in solidarity with the Black community on Sunday afternoon on Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn. Full Story, Photos, Video

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Wish I had know
June 7, 2020 8:07 pm

I would have gone. It’s important to stand up for out neighbors just as b expect them to stand up for us. We should all be united

BLM hates you as a Jew
Reply to  Wish I had know
June 7, 2020 11:30 pm

did you know that
look at their history

stand up for truth and justice and fairness for all!

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE?
Reply to  BLM hates you as a Jew
June 8, 2020 1:27 am

DO YOU KNOW JEWISH HISTORY.. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD of a thing called Holocaust? it happened not so long ago. have you heard of the friendly Neighbors in Germany and Poland…. read and find out

There’s a difference
Reply to  BLM hates you as a Jew
June 8, 2020 9:03 am

The Movement for Black Lives’s has anti-Semitic language in its charter. The statement “Black Lives Matter” doesn’t. I doubt most black folks even know there’s a charter.

Wonderful
Reply to  Wish I had know
June 11, 2020 5:10 am

To stand up for other races and groups of people.

But the issue of rampant antisemitism (no matter what the excuses are- Jewish landlords etc, etc,) and crime in the African American community must be addressed.

Perhaps a demonstration with the Sheva Mitzvos would be in order.

Some Better than others
June 7, 2020 8:12 pm

It’s good for neighbors to stand together. Some of the signs were better for a Jewish demonstration than others. Brocho LiMordechai.

Hmmmm
June 7, 2020 8:20 pm

“No justice no peace”?!, “Defund the police”?!

No its not about that
Reply to  Hmmmm
June 7, 2020 8:28 pm

The mission of this event was to stand with our neighbors

the nature of these marches
Reply to  No its not about that
June 8, 2020 5:10 am

the nature of these marches is not about our neighbors. we should all live in peace and everyone should be respected. the nature of these marches is that the world only decries when people are biased against certain groups. Otherwise they largely don’t care about anyone else, disrespect and do not appreciate what police largely do for society and some can even turn very vulgar and violent. Many of these protests scream about equality, but that is only if you agree with everything they say. If you don’t, then suddenly equality and justice and peace get thrown out the window… Read more »

Insane
Reply to  Hmmmm
June 7, 2020 9:21 pm

This community wouldn’t survive a day without the NYPD. How many of these people were actually part of OUR community as opposed to liberal Jews?

Insane
Reply to  Insane
June 7, 2020 9:47 pm

I’m a lifelong member of this community. My parents grew up here. I’m a shomer torah “liberal jew” who took part in the protest. Does that mean I’m automatically disqualified from being a part of “OUR” community?

author of comment didn't say that
Reply to  Insane
June 8, 2020 5:13 am

re-read.
says that there aren’t many that are part of the community.
just curious, have you done anything specific about speaking to the world about the acts of violence and hatred and murder against your community? If not, charity starts at home. All the best in everything.

It's not always about us
Reply to  author of comment didn't say that
June 9, 2020 1:25 pm

We can defend other people too. This isn’t hard. Don;t be selfish.

Yes
Reply to  Insane
June 8, 2020 7:02 pm

Yes

Equal rights? I don’t think so!
Reply to  Insane
June 9, 2020 5:09 am

It means that you are either blind or forgetful. Forgetting the many, many, should I go for another many? Incidents or hate from black community directed toward Jews. Blacks get plenty of justice in CH. and a preferential treatment from police. What were you protesting? And where were you when crimes against Jews went unpunished right in your community? Did you also protest?

Local who was there
Reply to  Insane
June 7, 2020 11:34 pm

I saw plenty of Crown Heightsers

Everyone has their own opinions
Reply to  Hmmmm
June 7, 2020 9:28 pm

Some were more radical than others. I personally think the slogan should be police reform or policy reform rather than defending the police because then they will cut funds to body cameras rather than unnecessary weaponry.

I don't understand your confusion.
Reply to  Hmmmm
June 8, 2020 12:21 am

“no justice no peace”= if we dont have justice we cant have peace.
“defund the police”= their is undoubtably systemic racism in the police department, defunding them would help evaluate where they are actually helping.

YOU are confused or worse
Reply to  I don't understand your confusion.
June 8, 2020 2:07 am

“No justice no peace” is an open threat that if the BLM thugs don’t get what they want they will make war. And defunding the police means that there is nobody to protect us from the wild animals, We would be easy prey to be picked off one by one whenever a criminal decides he wants something. Minneapolis is about to experience that, and it will be a jungle. Every decent person had better get a gun and start training NOW. And there is NO “systemic racism”. It’s a lie. A vicious and obvious lie. Nowhere in America do police… Read more »

The only police
Reply to  I don't understand your confusion.
June 8, 2020 11:18 am

I would defund is the traffic police writing tickets. Claims of systemic racism are unfounded and they are inherently unprovable. It’s a belief, not a fact. You either believe there is such a thing, or you don’t. Those who believe it will claim it’s a fact, but when pressed for proof they will never provide any. I have spoke with many people about this and have yet to have anyone provide logical, factual support for such a claim. BTW, the issue with no justice, no peace is not the message, it’s the history of it. That chant was started by… Read more »

Nechama
June 7, 2020 8:22 pm

Now I would like to see Jews and blacks protesting the racism in crown heights. I’d like to see the Jewish community protest that Jewish lives matter. And I would like to see blacks condemning the anti Semitic attacks that are so rampant by their own. No one’s blood should be cheap

During mivtzoim
Reply to  Nechama
June 7, 2020 10:47 pm

On Chanukah, this past year when there was a huge increase in attacks, I had many black people approach me and tell me that what was being done was wrong and that they and their families and friends love the Jewish people and respect us. Trust me, I’m far from a bleeding heart libby, but the black community really does not wish us ill ch”v. Everyone needs to forgive and move on. That said, I think yidden using the spin, “no justice, no peace,” is in very poor taste, given that that was one of the big slogans during the… Read more »

you are 100% right
Reply to  Nechama
June 7, 2020 11:19 pm

where were all these Yidden when Yidden were harrassed, beaten and killed

All lives matter, including black, including police

And just for the record you should look into the “BLM” movement. They are anti-Israel, support BDS, call Israel responsible for “genocide” and more

the problem with all lives matter
Reply to  you are 100% right
June 8, 2020 12:22 am

Yes obviously, all lives matter. but saying that after you hear black lives matter is just an attempt to undermine the movement that is calling for justice for the black community. All lives cant matter until black lives matter.

The problem with black lives matter
Reply to  the problem with all lives matter
June 8, 2020 12:04 pm

The black lives matter movement is not for justice in the black community it’s for dismantling the police! If they actually cared about black lives then they would deal with the black on black crimes in Chicago and all the black kids who get murdered every year!

Chicago
Reply to  The problem with black lives matter
June 12, 2020 5:22 pm

There were 30 black on black deaths in chicago in ONE DAY this past week because the police were too busy dealing with the riots and coulnt deal with the shootings at the same time. Where was the black lives matter then? In addition, we see what happened one day without the police, whats going to happen if we dismantle it????

Black Lives Matter
Reply to  you are 100% right
June 16, 2020 9:26 am

The slogan “All Lives Matter” is nothing more than an attempt to try to deviate the conversation every time a black is being killed for being black. When America is getting hit by terror attacks, everyone focuses on that (“American Lives Matter” if you will). Trying to deflect the conversation to “All Lives Matter” is just a way of avoiding having to deal with the real problem. And yes, officially the BLM movement supports BDS and is therefore anti-Israel, but about 95% of the supporters don’t care about their stand on Israel, they only want to end the racial bias… Read more »

Dear COLLIVE,
Reply to  Nechama
June 8, 2020 1:06 am

Some of these comments such as this one have about 50 likes!! Is it possible to compile them all together and post them on the website? I think that would really educate people, and show people who my just not realize, why people are so upset about this whole situation.
Thank u!

Maccabee on Patrol
Reply to  Nechama
June 9, 2020 1:27 pm

Please, when push came to shove only a few yidden were brave enough to go on patrols for our own community.

yesher koach
June 7, 2020 8:22 pm

please anash and community of Crown Heights: post a picture standing “in protest” a member a of the jewish community, a member of the black community and a police (all 3) TOGETHER, and spread the message of the Rebbe to the world!
we’re all navigating in the same ship and we can make from THIS world, in this country, a dwelling place for the Creator, for G-d!

Ch resident
June 7, 2020 8:23 pm

I am all for protesting but as a Jew who lives in crown heights and saw what was happening to us Jew just 4-5 months ago I think we should stay out of this protesting of “black lives matter” because all lives matter.
And second for those who are saying defund the police aren’t they the ones who help us with all out parades simchas bais hashoava throughout the years you should be ashamed of saying defund the police.

When anti semitic attacks happen...
Reply to  Ch resident
June 7, 2020 9:31 pm

We don’t need people to condemn hate against all religions. We want them to condemn hate against Jewish people. It doesn’t make sense to say all lives matter when standing with Black people who are suffering. I agree that the term defund the police isn’t ideal, it would be better to just ask for significant change in Police departments.

Wish I could have joined!
June 7, 2020 8:28 pm

Beautiful! So proud!

know your friends, stand for truth not politics.
June 7, 2020 8:31 pm

This is beautiful it reminds me of when the blacks marched for us after the Jersey city shootings.
Also funny to see Jews supporting BLM, seeing how they stand for Israel and all.

funny???

more like ridiculous….insanity prevails….blm hates jews and hates israel….and yet there go the self hating jews marching right along with them

Morality not Politics

Standing for morality is about doing what is right. It is not politics.

On the other hand, only supporting people you view as your friends is absolutely politics and its quite Machiavellian realpolitik.

#juststayhome
June 7, 2020 8:36 pm

And with that, social distancing can now go out the window, nobody cares about covid19 anymore and we will have that second wave…

7 noahide laws
June 7, 2020 8:38 pm

Would have been appropriate signs to be holding

Justice!
June 7, 2020 8:39 pm

I stand for justice for those killed by rioters and businesses destroyed by looters!

for shame
Reply to  Justice!
June 7, 2020 8:50 pm

those who protested today should know that they stand against those killed in the riots…and those businesses destroyed…and the jews in LA whose businesses were targeted because they are jewish….and i could go on and on….how shameful

w h a t
Reply to  Justice!
June 8, 2020 12:07 am

why are you more angry about stolen items than someone being murdered?? like check your priorities.

what???
Reply to  w h a t
June 8, 2020 5:22 am

what in the world does stealing and robbing have to do with bringing justice + maybe you haven’t heard but several people have been killed as well in these riots + for some people the total destruction of their business that they have taken years to build up is like “killing them”. how do people decrying bias and no justice go do these type of things to other people????????

Fine, then...
Reply to  w h a t
June 8, 2020 10:27 am

Let’s have them steal your stuff, and then see what you say. See, most people work hard for a living, and yes, to take that away from them is tantamount to taking away their life. (Also, the poster to whom you’re replying mentioned “people killed by rioters,” but apparently those don’t matter to you either. All are equal but some are more equal than others to you, I guess.

Was he murdered?
Reply to  w h a t
June 8, 2020 12:16 pm

To my knowledge the officer has yet to stand trial, so I don’t see how you can say that this man was murdered. In American law the officer is innocent until proven guilty. Until the officer is judged guilty of murder, we can’t say that the dead man was murdered, just that he’s dead. He also happens to have been a rasha umerusha who threatened a pregnant woman with a gun pointed to her belly. I don’t think the world is worse off without this guy. However, many of the people whose stores were destroyed and looted are fine people,… Read more »

Umm....
Reply to  Was he murdered?
June 10, 2020 8:53 pm

The murder, yes murder was seen minute by minute, because it was filmed,!!! Did you see that??

7 noahide laws
June 7, 2020 8:39 pm

7 noahide laws matter!

Yup
Reply to  7 noahide laws
June 10, 2020 9:39 am

Exactly…Good to see that somebody gets it.

History Forgotten
June 7, 2020 8:42 pm

It’s unimaginable that Jews would march to “no justice, no peace.” The same chant antisemite al sharpton said in the 90s. Did these people forget the crown heights riots or the attack we had on the community every single week this year from a black guy assaulting a Jew? We shouldn’t have to beg the blacks for forgiveness, it’s the other way around.

w h a t
Reply to  History Forgotten
June 8, 2020 12:09 am

No one is asking jews or white people in general to beg forgivness. I don’t know where you are getting that from. Also I find it incredibly selfish that when one group is demanding rights you automatically turn it into your own problem instead of supporting that group.

demanding rights
Reply to  w h a t
June 8, 2020 5:24 am

accusations against whole groups of people, violence, murder, stealing, burning things is not called demanding rights-

Joseph
Reply to  w h a t
June 8, 2020 8:16 am

Because human rights, by definition, should be color blind.

By saying Black Lives Matter you just promote racial divides and highlight skin color.

Promote police reform, promote equal treatment for everyone, but if you choose to do it by pointing out skin color you are part of the problem.

Galus Mentality
June 7, 2020 8:43 pm

The BLM movement is anti Semitic. They despise the Jews and hate Israel. This is not about Floyd or their rights. It’s about power and politics. They could not care less about anyone’s plight even their own people. Going there as Jews is a caricature of the Galus Jew who is ashamed to hold up his head to these anti Semites.

BLM is not anti-Semetic
Reply to  Galus Mentality
June 8, 2020 2:55 pm

I’m a BLM organizer and have been involved since the early days of the movement (and have personally worked with our co-founders on several campaigns). I can tell you that neither I nor BLM’s co-founders have any negative feelings about Jews or Israel. You’re right, we are focusing the conversation on black lives. When I do that, it’s not because I don’t care about Jews, but because I am speaking on behalf of my own people about an issue that personally impacts me and with which I am familiar. Honestly, I have no clue what it’s like to be Jewish.… Read more »

Go educate yourself please
Reply to  BLM is not anti-Semetic
June 8, 2020 9:16 pm

You clearly are not familiar with the crown heights pogrom’s that took place in the early 90s. You clearly are aren’t either familiar with the rampant racism we Jews experience here in crown heights at the hands of the blacks.

That's fair
Reply to  BLM is not anti-Semetic
June 10, 2020 9:42 am

Can I contact you please?

Wrong!
June 7, 2020 8:45 pm

As Jews we should not be supporting the Black Lives Matter movement which is led by a bunch of Anti-Semites.
We should support Black lives. but not the BLM movement!

Why not?
Reply to  Wrong!
June 8, 2020 2:57 pm

BLM has two objectives. 1) Eliminate white supremacy. 2) Reduce violence inflicted on black communities by establishing strong, local coalitions. Why won’t you join our cause? I have been involved in BLM throughout its whole existence and I have personally never heard anyone express anti-Semitic sentiments. We are a mission-based organization and our focus is exclusively on eliminating white supremacy and reducing violence against our people.

BLM is based on a mistaken view of reality.
Reply to  Why not?
June 9, 2020 12:17 am

Larry Elder ( black author and radio host) on his show: “…All four officers were immediately fired (without temporary suspension , investigation , etc, the woman from the central park incident was fired from the investment firm she worked at once the video went viral…..despite all what CNN and MSNBC tell you , AMERICA HAS ZERO TOLERANCE FOR RACISM… ” That’s why the BLM movement gets it wrong, we are one of the least racist nations on the world!!! We had a black president ( who got 43% of the white vote ) for two full terms, there are 5… Read more »

Vague wording
Reply to  Why not?
June 12, 2020 9:33 am

Unless you speak about ACTUAL policies and give actual real-life PRACTICAL suggestions on how to reform them, rather than just saying “let’s take down the whole system” or “defund the police”, that is a very significant reason why I personally would never join your cause. Statistics show that blacks are not the only race that are killed by the police, not by a long shot. There are injustices committed in this country, for sure, but the whole picture needs to be taken into account. Why does BLM only focus on blacks killed by white police officers? There’s TERRIBLY unjust situations… Read more »

#godsaveamerica
June 7, 2020 8:45 pm

It’s a tragedy what happened, but defunding the police??? You think with less police comes more justice no. With less police comes more crime.

Defunding the police
Reply to  #godsaveamerica
June 8, 2020 3:03 pm

This doesn’t mean we’ll have no police. Defunding is not a sudden thing. It means we start from the ground up and figure out what policing should look like. Does the guy who pulls me over for speeding need to have a gun? Does someone responding to a mental health issue need to be a police officer? Let’s look objectively at what model will best serve and protect our society. Just because police departments look like they do today doesn’t mean they have to keep looking exactly the same forever. In the UK, it’s common to see police who handle… Read more »

defund
Reply to  Defunding the police
June 8, 2020 10:26 pm

Less money generally equals less quality. How is redesigning and improving the police system cheap? Seems like police needs more funds for that.

you are bring the uk as proof?
Reply to  Defunding the police
June 11, 2020 10:39 am

The reason you need a cop to always have a gun is simply because of our second amendment, which England does not have. plus there are more guns per civilian in America than anywhere else and you think a cop with no gun can do his job here!? come on.

I think they’re all irrational and misguided
June 7, 2020 8:52 pm

Defund the police ? BLM instead All lives matter ? Is that an appropriate message? The cops in MN were arrested. The body count of dead from rioting / looting is 17 !!

Justice?
June 7, 2020 8:53 pm

the man was arrested what else do they want?

What The Protesters Want
Reply to  Justice?
June 7, 2020 9:56 pm

For police brutality in the U.S. to end. George Floyd is not the first innocent black person to die at the hands of the police. If he was, there wouldn’t be protests of thousands of people in 145 cities in the U.S. Until there are concrete guarantees from our political leaders regarding police reform, it won’t matter that the officers in MN were arrested.

thank you
Reply to  What The Protesters Want
June 8, 2020 12:10 am

YES THIS!!!!! justice for black people everywhere.

George Floyd was not innocent
Reply to  What The Protesters Want
June 8, 2020 2:25 am

And innocent people do NOT die at the hands of the police, in any significant numbers. Sometimes there’s a sad accident, but generally the police kill people only when they have to, and most of those they kill are white. “If he was there wouldn’t be protests”?! Whom do you think you’re kidding with such transparent nonsense? The protests are organized by the enemies of civilization, and you are their accomplice. You are going to gehenom.

Oh dear.
Reply to  George Floyd was not innocent
June 10, 2020 9:02 pm

It seems you have not kept up with reports of young black men being killed FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN prejudice regarding their color. Stereotyping.

Facts
Reply to  What The Protesters Want
June 8, 2020 9:00 am

The number one cause of death to a young black person in America is murder ( 7,000 a year ) by a another black 14 die by police who’s the racist the police or other blacks!

Beautiful
June 7, 2020 8:54 pm

Nice to see some love in our community

this is a joke, right ?
June 7, 2020 9:13 pm

why is there people with “defund the police” signs?! what a chilul hashem! of course black lives matter but now it turned into a slogan of democrats to defund the police and that America is racist, etc.
the orthodox jews are trying to show their appreciation to the police and here comes crown heights residents to show their support to this??

Missing something......
June 7, 2020 9:18 pm

Where are the Jewish protests when Jewish lives are at stake?
Seriously…

That's right
Reply to  Missing something......
June 8, 2020 12:32 pm

Didn’t see any of these libby yidden marching for justice for Yosef Neiman or for those massacred in Jersey City Hy”d.

Fact check: Thousands marched against antisemitism
Reply to  That's right
June 9, 2020 7:20 pm

I saw many Jews of many denominations (as well as folks from other communities) marching together from Manhattan to Brooklyn at the No Hate, No Fear solidarity march on 1/5/20.

Good point
Reply to  Missing something......
June 10, 2020 9:08 pm

I think that Jews do not protest because they feel that public support in some locales is not there! Fewer people feel for Jews than they do for Blacks. Why is that?

Supporting BLM? No justice No peace ?
June 7, 2020 9:20 pm

Do you even know what the BLM stand for and who they’re supported by? No justice? Looting and rioting !
This is what was chanted at the protest today. Is this what the CH community supports ?

you are misunderstanding the slogan
Reply to  Supporting BLM? No justice No peace ?
June 8, 2020 12:12 am

“No justice no peace” is not a call to end justice on earth, it is merely addressing the fact that we cannot live in peace if there is no justice (which currently there is not a just system in place for people of color).

are you an expert in this
Reply to  you are misunderstanding the slogan
June 8, 2020 5:34 am

or just being fed liberal media trash there are cops that act not ok to people of all backgrounds before blaming everyone else, the black community needs to look deeply into why there is such high rates of crime by some groups of black people in general. Black leaders telling their communities that the whole world owes you and you should just take from the fat of the land and not work etc is not beneficial to the people that are being preached these things. there are many in the black communities who are very against this type of mentality.… Read more »

Nonsense
Reply to  you are misunderstanding the slogan
June 8, 2020 12:34 pm

When Al Sharpton chanted that slogan during the 91 riots he was seeking justice for Gavin Cato? And when Yenkel Rosenbaum was murdered due to Al’s chanting of no justice no peace, was justice served?

Why is the system unjust for blacks? They do disproportionately more crime because they live by a corrupt culture that promotes violence, drugs and materialism.

All nice in theory
June 7, 2020 9:22 pm

Yes, we care about our black neighbors. No, supporting BLM, a hate group that is aligned with the Palestinian “cause” and all the other far-left insanity, does nothing good for them.

I am sorry to see naive Lubavitchers falling for this seemingly innocent “George Floyd” movement.

And I have to say, if anyone thinks this will suddenly get our neighbors to love us – you may be sorely disappointed…

LA Morah
June 7, 2020 9:25 pm

BLM is radically leftist organization. Please educate yourselves by simply reading their platform.

Wish I knew about it
June 7, 2020 9:26 pm

Looks like an awesome peaceful protest, would have loved to join.

FAKE NEWS ALERT!
June 7, 2020 9:32 pm

Maybe a handful of CH people MOSTLY NOT
MAY HASHEM BLESS THE BRAVE MEMBERS OF THE NYPD WHO RISK THEIR LIVES DAILY TO KEEP US SAFE
MOSHIACH NOW!

I was there
June 7, 2020 9:35 pm

I was there and the look on the black community’s faces as we marched by were of gratitude and disbelief. I can’t tell you how many black people came over and thanked us for marching.

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE?
Reply to  I was there
June 8, 2020 12:56 am

Yessss YOU ARE 100% RIGHT I’M ALSO IN DISBELIEVE. You really think that the BLM really care ? the Jews in Germany thought the same way, if they look the same and and act the same they are safe …..
you know the rest of the story

Defund who??????????
June 7, 2020 9:37 pm

The people you call by every anti semetic attack. Every parade. Every tahalucha. 24 hours protection at 770 since chanuka 5780 and numerous times before that. They protect you at every shul in NYC for rosh hashana and Yom Kippur. If anyone would Chas vesholom rob you or worse. And the list goes on and on….. If you recommend to defund the NYPD, you are so ungrateful, there are no words to describe your lack of respect and basic morals. Whoever wrote such signs and marched with them in public at a protest that was watched closely by police, and… Read more »

This is insanity
Reply to  Defund who??????????
June 8, 2020 12:55 am

And i really think we have some fixing up to do. We need to give the police a HUGE apology for what happened over here.

Travesty
June 7, 2020 9:39 pm

While I defend the right to protest, and deplore racism and police brutality, I am appalled at all the left-wing pandering over the past week, which has reached the point of insanity. “Defund police”? Are they kidding? Law & Order is one of the Noachide Laws. Defunding the police will result in a Mafia-like situation where only the wealthy & connected can pay for protection. (Which leaves low-income blacks & Jews even more helpless.) Channeling the money into community projects may sound noble, but is dreadfully naive. Some criminals might be helped through community outreach; however, others must be locked… Read more »

It was NOT racial.
Reply to  Travesty
June 8, 2020 2:31 am

White people who commit crimes and resist arrest are handled exactly the same way. More white people than black people are killed by police.

Exactly, exactly
Reply to  Travesty
June 8, 2020 3:47 am

Warned them as anyone would, don’t do this. Antifa white racist “leftists” will come with signs and slogans to hurt our relationship with law enforcement and then use them to show police, falsely, that most of us are not with them.

We are, of course, against bad cops and brutality. So are many cops. We are also not supposed to call police on members of our own community and work within, so that everyone has fairness. But this? What good will come of this protest and can’t we now see the harm?

Blm radicals
June 7, 2020 9:44 pm

No Jew should attend a blm rally. Racist and anti Israel organization.

Funny
Reply to  Blm radicals
June 16, 2020 8:39 am

Funny you should say racist. Look at your own words! Just proves the point better.

Missing
June 7, 2020 9:53 pm

Where is the Justice for Yankel Rosenbaum, A”H, sign?! Jews carrying signs quoting Al Sharpton! A Shanda!

Informed consumer
June 7, 2020 9:54 pm

Black Lives Matter movement support from Jews? Here’s some info about the movement for those of you who may not know how they feel about us:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/black-lives-matter-endorses-bds-israel-is-apartheid-state-1.5420685

BLM???!!!
June 7, 2020 10:17 pm

Seriously people?? Have we sunken so low that we need to kiss their feet now? This is exactly what we hate about de blasio, that he is a coward and that all he tries to do is flatter the black communtity.
DO NOT SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR BLM! IT IS A ANTI SEMETIC ORGANIZATION!
show your support for life but not by attending these BLM protests!!!!

bro what?
Reply to  BLM???!!!
June 8, 2020 12:15 am

Again, nobody is asking white people beg forgivness or anything from black people; they are merely asking for our support. It is the very least we can do. By dramatizing their demands you are trying to undermine their actual goal which is basic justice and freedom. for all american citizens.

Yes they are
Reply to  bro what?
June 8, 2020 2:33 am

Stop lying. We’ve all seen the pictures of white people groveling at the feet of black people and begging forgiveness for the sin of being white. That is what BLM wants from all of us. Rachmona litzlan.

if so...
Reply to  bro what?
June 8, 2020 5:40 am

then they should not use BLM but ALM

Big Mo
June 7, 2020 10:28 pm

If you marching with these people is going to protect you from the next pogrom, chas v’shalom you are sadly mistaken. The reality is that they are descended from Hom, who was cursed by Noach. As long as the black community is father less, there will be no moral fiber. No concern for any other group including us Jews. They don’t hide their anti Semitism. They’ve become through their own doing a permanent underclass. Their claim of being afraid of the police is bogus. There are bad cops, a minute few. We whites, especially Jews live in fear of violence… Read more »

get help
Reply to  Big Mo
June 8, 2020 12:16 am

Everything about this is extremely racist I hope you find help to deal with the hate you have for people of color. This is the kind of baseless hatred that is keeping us from moshiach.

not based on hate
Reply to  get help
June 8, 2020 5:39 am

in reality many blacks hate Jews unfortunately
I have not hate towards people in general
but call a spade a spade
you are not loved by many of these protesters all over the US, not only black protesters hate/dislike Jews

embarrassing
June 7, 2020 10:29 pm

I have never before been embarrassed to be a part of the Crown Heights community but this is a new first. How disgusting….how wrong…how completely shameful….why was this even allowed? the only thing standing between us and complete and total lawlessness and crime is the police. have you forgotten that 6 months ago the guardian angels and the state troopers had to come to patrol our neighborhood and to protect our 770 and our members from those very people that you marched with today??? where was your outrage then? why did you not care at all that your brothers and… Read more »

Beautiful
June 7, 2020 10:42 pm

As someone who grew up in Crown Heights after the riots in ’91, it brings me to tears to see how much progress we’ve made as a community!

I Was There
June 7, 2020 10:43 pm

The purpose of this march was clearly stated on its flyer: Jews standing for our black neighbors and community members. The speeches reflected that message. Most of the text on the signs reflected that message. It was not aligned with any other agenda. This was not a BLM rally, although some people may have held those signs. It was a very positive message of tolerance and standing up for people who are oppressed – something that we can certainly understand as Jews. I was at the Jewish Lives Matter rally a few months ago, and seeing the showing of non-Jews… Read more »

If it was not a BLM rally
Reply to  I Was There
June 8, 2020 2:37 am

Then those who held such signs should have been told to drop them or leave. By allowing them to march you endorsed them and their evil message.

Oppressed?
Reply to  I Was There
June 8, 2020 9:01 am

You make it sound as if blacks oppressed which is not true at all

Neighbor
Reply to  I Was There
June 8, 2020 12:22 pm

Didn’t take a genius to know there would be BLM represented there. I knew as soon as I saw the flyer, and wouldn’t attend for that reason, even though I do support my black neighbors.

Mig
June 7, 2020 11:03 pm

What a shame? I doubt very much that the Rebbe would have approved of Jews walking with BLM who couldn’t care less for Jewish lives. Where were they when Jews were murdered in Trenton, NJ? Instead of speaking out against the tragic murder of Jewish lives, they blamed Jews for moving into their community. Where were they when Jews were attacked with one murdered in Monsey? Where were they??? Why didn’t they speak out? I am so sick when frum Jews feel they have to apologize for their Jewishness. It shows weakness not strength. This is not what the Rebbe… Read more »

more misinformation
Reply to  Mig
June 8, 2020 12:17 am

No one is asking Jews to apologize for anything. Just for their support.

One sign is a chillul
June 7, 2020 11:20 pm

How dare anyone say “Human decency SHOULD BE a Frum value”?

Human decency HAS ALWAYS BEEN A JEWISH VALUE!

So by definition, human decency has always been a FRUM value! How dare any Jew imply it’s not already one of our values. The Torah is filled with example after example of how Jewish law is BASED ON the decency of each human being!

True but
Reply to  One sign is a chillul
June 8, 2020 3:49 am

That’s not the only sign that’s a chilul. And it’s true that some signs, in and of themselves, would be a Kiddush Hashem. But not in this context. On this context one can say “ein mevatlin issur lchatchila.”

To everyone who’s mad at Jews for supporting BLM
June 7, 2020 11:22 pm

For starters, this was not a Black Lives Matter March. It wasn’t organized or affiliated with the movement. This was a march in solidarity with our black neighbors *and community members*. In times like these we’re quick to forget that Jews come from various and diverse backgrounds. Secondly, as a Jew and a Crown Heightser, yes, it’s painful when Jewish people face antisemitism and even more so when people don’t show up for us. But love, acceptance, and kindness is what will take us forward. The cycle of hate and separation needs to be broken by someone. So why not… Read more »

Neighbor

In that case – All lives matter, and the fact that every human being, black or white, is created in the image of G-d and should be respected by us, accepted, and shown kindness, should suffice. We don’t have to splinter people into categories. I was raised, in CH to be respectful to all my neighbors, black and white. The fact that the term “All lives matter” is considered racist highlights the fact that we need to maintain this categorization of people. Basic human dignity and respect isn’t good enough!

Golus
June 7, 2020 11:29 pm

Our Golus is thick and dark. Jews joining this protest is absolutely senseless.Scares me.

embarrassing
Reply to  Golus
June 8, 2020 12:08 am

it is senseless it is shameful and it is dangerous….as the gemara says when you are kind and compassionate to the cruel you will be heartless to the people who are deserving of your compassion. where is the outrage for hate crimes committed against the jews? where is the outrage for the devastation in LA specifically against Jewish businesses? where is the outrage over the shuls that have been targeted by protesters?

Actually
Reply to  Golus
June 8, 2020 12:18 am

Scares me to think that you would not support people asking for something as basic as living while black.

actually it is you who is scary
Reply to  Actually
June 8, 2020 6:50 am

really??? that is all they are asking for to live while being black…then why do they not protest when blacks kill blacks which is a constant daily occurrence….oh then they dont care about living while being black?? the night before george was killed there were 17 blacks killed by blacks…where was the outrage? and where were you defending those poor black people killed by their black brothers?

I have never
Reply to  Actually
June 8, 2020 12:44 pm

Stopped a black person from living… I know a lot of black people that stop white and even other black people from living… This is not about what you want to believe, it’s simply a matter of numbers. It’s a fact. Forget about all the conspiracy theories. Nobody is out to get blacks. Nobody even needs to be, their so good a messing themselves over without anyone else’s help.

Shoftim v'Shotrim...
June 7, 2020 11:38 pm

Is this for real????????????? How can people in CH march in a protest with a “defund the police” sign. Until the second Moshiach comes when there will be no ill-will, whomever wants to live life without without cops, should all move to island somewhere far away from people who would like to live life in safety. Ask for accountability if the situation occurs that an officer may mistreat or hurt someone-but not this. If the guy holding the sign has a break-in G-D forbid tonight, who’s he going to call for help????? Cops are human beings, and like all human… Read more »

Defund Police?
Reply to  Shoftim v'Shotrim...
June 8, 2020 12:33 pm

Calling to defund the police because a few rotten apples are in the police force, is like saying we should close down the school system because there are a few bad teachers, or close down hospitals because there are a few bad doctors. Extreme responses make no sense! Cities without police – want to try that?

What does this accomplish?
June 7, 2020 11:41 pm

I’m very cynical about what such a protest actually accomplished. Maaser hu ha’iker, do something to affect a change. It’s nice and easy to make a few signs and show up to march together, but at the end of the day, what has changed? You want to affect real change? Go introduce yourself to your neighbors. Invite their children to play with yours. Make friends with their moms. Call your local public school and volunteer to help children who are behind. But I know – – you’re too busy to volunteer, your kids already play with their own friends, and… Read more »

no justice no peace
June 8, 2020 12:30 am

if these protesters really believe there is no justice and no peace in this world, are they acting in proactive ways to remedy this such as daily volunteering with the poor, hungry, abused, lonely, illiterate and the list goes on, to actively improve the lives of these people, instead of marching again and again in the streets?
please put your actions where your mouths are
far away from they hype and the cameras, there are many of all backgrounds who can very much benefit from your help and love

Clarification
Reply to  no justice no peace
June 8, 2020 8:55 am

That’s not what “no justice, no peace” means. It means without justice there is no peace.

(If there is) no justice
(There is) no peace

you see what you wanna see
June 8, 2020 1:32 am

Grouping lots of people into one box and hating all of them because of something some of them did in the past, is how the world has gone on until now. Maybe choosing to love the good in everyone despite the bad they did is a way to change the cycle of us vs them, and can flatten the curve of perpetual eruptions of fighting between us and them. Ultimately it’s not the person but the actions that bother us. So let’s change the action.

Tznius
June 8, 2020 4:48 am

If anyone has ever watched a lag baomer parade there is clearly a section for men and a section for women. To say that the rebbe would be proud is an embarrassment. This is clearly a mixed and very crowded event. Shocking to see. This is besides for BLM views on Israel. Clearly not the place for a chassid. We believe in hashem, say an extra kapital tehillim

The only comment here you need to read.
June 8, 2020 6:14 am

This is an embarassement! Of course Black Lives Matter, but our lives our no less. Where are the protests when the people like George Floyd (who was in jail for 5 years and put a gun to two pregnant women) attack our community. Defund the police??? Defund the ones that protect us and our lives??? Only a few police officers are racist, not all the thousands that leave their houses everyday with a fearful family hoping to see their father or husband again. How embarassing there are naive “Lubavitchers” (in apostrophes because Lubavitchers do what the Rebbe directed us) calling… Read more »

a bt
Reply to  The only comment here you need to read.
June 8, 2020 11:19 pm

Did you attend the large protest across the brooklyn bridge which happened in January in response to anti Semitic attacks? I am a liberal and I am Lubavitch and you cant push me out with your “quotes”. You invited me here.

Also a bt
Reply to  a bt
June 12, 2020 9:40 am

The protest on the Brooklyn Bridge was organized by all Jewish organizations and mostly Jews were there.

Lack of knowledge
June 8, 2020 7:46 am

Research the info before you march blindly like passive sheep.
No excuse for ignorance in 2020.

Shameful!

Do not agree
June 8, 2020 8:29 am

Actually I am saddened to see how some of the Lubavitcher people were sucked into beleiving that these marches are for their benefit.
These marches are an excuse for trouble.
The hands of the police are tied enough and they want to destroy the entire police department.
Chas vsholom for those of us who will need police help, who would you turn to get the help.
This is how communism started.
They fooled the people into thinking that it was for their benefit, and instead the Jews suffered the most under Communism,

We have a long way to go
June 8, 2020 8:42 am

Reading these comments reminds me just how racist our Lubavitch community is. It’s a shame. There is a lot of work to still be done..

You're kidding, right?
Reply to  We have a long way to go
June 8, 2020 10:38 am

Instead of saying “how racist our Lubavitch community is,” how about considering how many crimes our Lubavitch community suffers from our black neighbors? From package thefts, to car break-ins, to beatings and forcible removal of yarmulkes, all the way up to murders.

And we’re supposed to say that their “lives matter,” when they themselves show how little they matter, when we hear every week of one black person shooting another?

Maybe, before they start demanding that others respect them, they show a little respect for themselves and for others, and start behaving as decent human beings should?

This
Reply to  You're kidding, right?
June 8, 2020 12:47 pm

This is basically the gantze emes. This is it, right here.

Asking for a friend
June 8, 2020 10:48 am

Can we now host large weddings in CH? Providing guests are holding up posters of course…

As usual
June 8, 2020 11:21 am

As usual, the majority of commenters latch on to extreme narratives without any introspection. We like to claim that we care for everyone, yet when it comes to actually supporting our neighbors you’re all ‘what about anti-Semitism??’ – Well, anti-Semitism is real but so is systemic racism and so is the casual racism unfortunately expressed in many a Jewish home and school. This march was not organized by BLM. Saying the words ‘black lives matter’ does not indicate affiliation with the movement. It means black lives matter and we’re allowed to show solidarity without dragging the Jewish experience into it.… Read more »

Mixed Bag
Reply to  As usual
June 8, 2020 4:20 pm

I agree with you so some extent. But it is naive of you to think that saying the phrase “black lives matter” doesn’t align you with the organization. The issue with the protest is that there should have been more effort put into being clear that we do not support the organization. We support individuals. We all know that as frum Jews our actions to outsiders can often be seen as our entire community’s attitude towards something. The issue with this is that is can be too easily seen as Chabad’s official declaration of alliance with BLM. Sorry to burst… Read more »

The myth of systemic racism
Reply to  As usual
June 12, 2020 9:43 am

Saying “systemic racism is real” doesn’t mean anything. What systemic policies are put in place in today’s day and age that are racist? If anything, the system is geared to favor blacks, just look at affirmative action.

Worried
June 8, 2020 11:35 am

To the guy with mask that says on it “can’t breathe”, try taking off the mask and see if helps.

BLACK LIVES MATTER AS A GROUP HATES JEWS
June 8, 2020 12:18 pm

HOW CAN YIDDEN, ESPECIALLY THE REBBE’S FOLLOWERS MARCH FOR BLM?

GET EDUCATED. WILL YOU MARCH WITH THE PLO? SAME THING.

OK, NOW WE BOWED TO THEIR 1ST DEMAND AND DEFUNDED THE POLICE.

NOW THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP MARCHING UNTIL WE BOW TO THEIR 2ND DEMAND, AND 3RD

DEMAND, ETC. REMINDS YOU OF THE PLO? AND YOU ARE WITH THEM?

THOSE WHO SUPPORT BLM NEED THEIR HEADS EXAMINED. THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT

THEY ARE PUTTING US IN GRAVE DANGER.

Feeling Safe
June 8, 2020 12:19 pm

No NYPD No need for a key to your house, it will be broken in any day any time of the day…

Defund
June 8, 2020 12:19 pm

Defund the nypd so there can be more anti semitic attack. that makes sense

So amazing
June 8, 2020 12:27 pm

So proud to see this beautiful walk. All you naysayers really need to read up on what black lives matter actually means

BLACK LIVES MATTER AS A GROUP HATES JEWS
June 8, 2020 12:29 pm

BLM HATES JEWS, HATES ISRAEL, PRO PLO. AND SOME OF US MARCH FOR THEM???
THEIR FIRST DEMAND WAS MET BY A WEAK MAYOR…YES, WE DEFUNDED THE POLICE.
THEY WILL NOT STOP NOW. THERE WILL BE A 2ND DEMAND, AND A 3RD, ETC.
THEY SAW THAT THRU VIOLENCE AND THREATS THEY WIN.
HASHEM SHOULD HELP US.

BLM
June 8, 2020 1:26 pm

While people in the above comments keep saying that BLM’s charter is anti Israel, but the slogan is not, it’s important to note that the whole chant and slogan is about the movement, which is flawed and based on the false narrative that there’s systematic racism in the US. Chanting or holding up signs with BLM is showing you support this movement and I don’t think orthodox Jews should be… Use neutral slogans not ones that belong to anti Semitic flawed movements! I have nothing wrong with people joining the protests, but do not sink to the level on naivety… Read more »

Shlomo
June 8, 2020 1:30 pm

For Jews’ progressive desire to work on behalf of those demonstrating for African Americans places their political identity on a collision course with their Jewish identity. Black Lives Matter, the radical group leading the demonstrations, is an anti-Semitic organization. BLM was formed in 2014 as a merger of activists from the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam, the anti-Semitic Black Panthers, and Dream Catchers. In 2016, BLM published a platform that has since been removed from its website. The platform accused Israel of committing “genocide” and referred to the Jewish state as an “apartheid” state. The platform accused Israel and its supporters… Read more »

Shande!!!!
June 8, 2020 1:45 pm

The BT of this community needs to learn a bit more of Jewish history. Yaakov didn’t support eisav….in all the generations in our Jewish history and it hasn’t changed

Learn from Yaacov
Reply to  Shande!!!!
June 8, 2020 9:20 pm

He did send him gifts to appease him though. We have to do whatever we can to promote shalom.

Not all BTs
Reply to  Shande!!!!
June 12, 2020 9:45 am

Don’t worry, many of us BTs know what’s going on and haven’t been duped by the leftist trends in the country. More and more people are waking up, including even those in the black community! Look up the movement “Blexit”.

Defund Police?
June 8, 2020 3:03 pm

Defund the police because of a small percentage of rotten apples in the police force? Should we defund schools because there are some bad teachers in the system? Or close hospitals because there are some bad doctors? Let’s try living in cities without police forces… Extreme reactions are irrational.

Black Jewish lives aren't part of BLM
June 9, 2020 1:33 am

PLATFORM LINK: https://m4bl.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/CutMilitaryExpendituresOnePager.pdf to quote: The US justifies and advances the global war on terror via its alliance with Israel and is complicit in the genocide taking place against the Palestinian people. The US requires Israel to use 75 percent of all the military aid it receives to buy US­made arms. Consequently, every year billions of dollars are funneled from US taxpayers to hundreds of arms corporations, who then wage lobbying campaigns pushing for even more foreign military aid. The results of this policy are twofold: it not only diverts much needed funding from domestic education and social programs, but… Read more »

Defund the police?
June 9, 2020 1:38 am

Maybe reform the police, maybe reorganize the police, but certainly not defund the police.

I AM IN SHOCK!!
June 9, 2020 11:35 am

IS THIS NORMAL?!?! WHY ARE WE STANDING UP FOR THEM. DO THEY STAND UP FOR US WHEN THE WORLD TURNS A BLIND EYE TO OUR PERSECUTION? PEOPLE SAY GEORGE FLOYD WOULD’VE WANTED PEACE… A MAN WHO WAS IN JAIL NUMEROUS TIMES!! GUYS!! GET OUT OF THIS CRAZY MINDSET!! THEYRE VIOLENT, IM NOT SAYING THEY DESERVE THIS BUT I DEFINITELY DONT THINK THIS IS OKAY. WHY DIDNT WE PROTEST WHEN OUR SHULS AND MIKVAOS GOT CLOSED DOWN, AND WE CARE FOR THE BLACKS RIGHTS?

daas torah
June 10, 2020 6:45 am

do rabbonim approve of this? how do we know its the right thing to do?

this is OSSUR
June 10, 2020 6:56 am

yidden living in golus must be loyal to their leader (president). this whole george floyd thing is a rebellion against him. Trump said that he will not defund the police. Who are we to argue on that?

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