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Coronavirus Update #36: Confirmed New Covid Case in Crown Heights

Coronavirus update for the Crown Heights community from The Gedaliah Society and Dr. Eli Rosen: Unfortunately, we have a confirmed new case of COVID here in our community. Full Story

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Can the community
July 6, 2020 8:14 pm

At least take on a hachlata to wear masks in shuls and all stores, especially the grocery store! I am just wondering how it’s acceptable to go to a grocery without a mask?

Your choice
Reply to  Can the community
July 6, 2020 9:16 pm

If you believe a mask will protect you then go ahead and wear one.
Don’t force it upon anyone.

VE-O-HAVTO LE-REI-ACHO KO-MO-CHO
Reply to  Your choice
July 6, 2020 9:43 pm

A mask is not to protect oneself. It shows your Ahavas Yisroel and your care for each and every other person no matter how different they are from you! – and protects others from YOU!!!! should you have covid without knowing (which is one of the ways it is spread!)

Your Choice, My Zeide!
Reply to  Your choice
July 6, 2020 10:07 pm

This isn’t about *your* choice. Kol Yisroel Areivim – each one of us has a responsibility for others – and the decision not to wear a mask does *direct* damage to others in our community. You have a choice to not wear a mask, but if you want to make it and show you have *zero* ahavas yisroel, then please choose to stay home as well.

My choice when...
Reply to  Your choice
July 6, 2020 10:15 pm

I am not in a public grocery store. Otherwise you do it for the safety of the klal. It’s purely selfish not to

Masks
Reply to  Your choice
July 6, 2020 10:18 pm

Masks protect others so please don’t be selfish. And if everyone wears masks then the chance of infection is minute

Guys wake up.
Reply to  Masks
July 6, 2020 11:30 pm

Did you ever hear from the media which mask is best? Or how to properly use a mask? No.
It’s not your health they have in mind. It’s about control. Tyranny.
If a mask works, why the 6 feet distance?
If the 6 feet distance works, why the mask?
If both work, why the lockdown?!

Uhh. It's simple.
Reply to  Guys wake up.
July 7, 2020 12:29 am

Every precaution adds.
(Yes, you figured out that no “one” solution is perfect on its own, the more measures we take, the more we lower the chance or at least speed of spread)

Wow!
Reply to  Guys wake up.
July 7, 2020 12:40 am

This has got to be the most idiotic comment of the day.

Masks are for when social distancing is not possible.

The lockdown may or may not have been a good idea, but obviously it is more effective than masks which helps to a certain
Degree.

Of course!
Reply to  Guys wake up.
July 7, 2020 6:55 am

If seatbelts work why the airbags
If airbags work why the seatbelts
If both work why the brakes?

Freedom is a great cause to fight for but this is about public health, it’s sad that in crown heights where 80+ people died in a matter of weeks people don’t get that.

Have a bit of ahavas yisroel

Wise guy
Reply to  Guys wake up.
July 7, 2020 7:22 am

Ever considered that it can be a combination of things that help limit the spread?

Would it be so weird if you saw someone using a rain coat and an umbrella?

Great Thinking!
Reply to  Guys wake up.
July 7, 2020 9:34 am

If the seatbelts work, why the airbags?
If airbags work, why the seatbelts?
If both work, why the brakes?

Not smart to say the least....
Reply to  Great Thinking!
July 7, 2020 10:10 am

These have diff purposes!
Lockdown, masks and social distancing is all for one purpose.

I want my parents alive....
Reply to  Your choice
July 7, 2020 9:45 pm

I’m sorry wearing a mask is so hard for you but I would like my parents and everyone else in the community to stay healthy and live till 120.. so please don’t give that kind of sad response to a deadly virus.

Contact tracing
July 6, 2020 8:33 pm

Is contact tracing being done for this case to limit spread ?

Monticello
July 6, 2020 8:37 pm

Doctors offices has 3-4 day turn around for testing living in the dark ages ??? Especially in a new enviroment and community exposure ?

To Monticello
Reply to  Monticello
July 7, 2020 1:58 am

You think that’s bad? In Arizona, where they’re soo bad, basically where we New Yorkers were theyre turn around is 8-9 days!!! Ridiculous :((

Be a mench!
July 6, 2020 8:55 pm

Wear a mask! Even if the update says to wear a mask when indoors and in close quarters, please, please, be a mentch and wear a mask in public all the time! It may not suit you, or be so comfortable, but it is a decent, respectful act of courtesy towards your fellow citizens. We should be a community that exemplifies this, not the community that thumbs our high-in-the-air noses at it. And, it may very well soon be legally rquired to wear a mask at all times in public. And by the way for those who think a mask… Read more »

Not Just Menchlich
Reply to  Be a mench!
July 8, 2020 1:07 pm

There are many fellow citizens in the street or stores with masks. For them to see us without masks is, to put it lightly, the total opposite of Kiddush Hashem…

No masks in 770
July 6, 2020 8:55 pm

I am appalled that people are not wearing masks in 770.

disgusting
Reply to  No masks in 770
July 6, 2020 9:41 pm

halacha demands that we protect ourselves and others

What camps
July 6, 2020 9:38 pm

What camps are this person’s kids in? I’m sorry but seriously? This is ridiculous. This person should have been isolating for 14 days upon return anyway. Don’t be shoitim folks

Why are camps accepting kids from out of town
July 6, 2020 10:25 pm

Many people from Florida and other places traveled to ch to take their kids to camp this puts the entire community at risk. The camps should not allow any out of towners to come to ch

mother
July 6, 2020 11:00 pm

today when seeing my son off to camp i was one of the only ones with a mask

iTS IMPORTANT To WEAR A MASK
July 6, 2020 11:10 pm

To put on a mask it’s to protect you and others !
In Israel was one guy recently was with carona and wear a mask . He didn’t know that he has it. And was with friends. Because he wears a mask he protected them and his friends was fine !!
You have to be strict a bout that it’s not a joke.
People in the shchuna wearing no mask it’s in responseble. Think a bout other people that call pure ahavas israel !!

Reinfection?
July 6, 2020 11:34 pm

If one can get reinfected despite herd immunity and antibodies, what good is a vaccine?
Also, to the “wear a mask” advocates, if you’re wearing a mask and consider that it protects you – why are you worrying about others not wresting a mask?

That's precisely the issue
Reply to  Reinfection?
July 7, 2020 12:38 am

That attitude of selfishness.
“As long as YOU are protected with a mask, who cares what happens to anyone else?”

But even from a selfish perspective: Masks don’t protect 100% (think surfaces, door handles), and therefore I selfishly want less people around me infected, for my own protection too, even though I wear a mask.

To Reinfection
Reply to  Reinfection?
July 7, 2020 2:48 am

You have to understand what each of these mean in order to answer your question. Regarding… * herd immunity is when a community is secluded & isolated enough that it can strengthen its collective immunity. I don’t see Crown Heights being able to accomplish that because there are people constantly traveling in and out. And once we have even 1 one case you run the risk of the herd immunity breaking down * antibodies is dependent on each individual. It’s all about the body, somehow, gaining enough antibodies against corona which strengthens that person’s immunity. But every single person’s body… Read more »

Tzon Mariso
Reply to  To Reinfection
July 8, 2020 1:11 pm

There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID — vaccines and infection.
Seclusion and isolation will not accomplish herd immunity.

Mask and immunity
Reply to  Reinfection?
July 7, 2020 4:46 am

We don’t yet know how long antibody immunity lasts. Masks protect those around you. Even those wearing masks. Two masks on two people together means double protection. Apparently people don’t understand herd immunity. It doesn’t work if people come and go from the herd!

Tzon Mariso
Reply to  Mask and immunity
July 8, 2020 1:12 pm

There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID — vaccines and infection.
Seclusion and isolation will not accomplish herd immunity.

wearing a mask
Reply to  Reinfection?
July 7, 2020 5:34 am

Wearing a mask isn’t expected to protect you. It protects other people from you. To protect you, it’s the other people who have to wear masks.

Others
Reply to  Reinfection?
July 7, 2020 8:18 am

Masks are primarily to protect others not yourself

Regarding Herd Immunity
Reply to  Reinfection?
July 7, 2020 9:18 am

Why do you assume there is herd immunity? No one has ever said we reached herd immunity. It’s way too early in the life of this disease to even know what percentage has to be infected to reach this stage. Is it 60%? 85%? 90%? We don’t know yet, that’s why a vaccine is so crucial. It’s also possible that the vaccine would reduce complications and negative side effects, not completely eradicate the disease. As far as wearing a mask, a mask is partially effective if one person is wearing it and doubly as effective if both people are wearing… Read more »

If you had antibodies
July 7, 2020 2:56 am

What’s the point of wearing a mask if you have antibodies. Only one person in the whole CH got re-infected and probably he was carrying the virus the whole time till the resurgence of the symptoms. Why make people wear a mask for no reason

Some people
Reply to  If you had antibodies
July 7, 2020 12:00 pm

Didn’t get sick yet. 30% were never infected and its to protect them and others. Judaism places great importance on human life…. no? Also, it’s really not a bother in a store.

Tzon Mariso
Reply to  If you had antibodies
July 8, 2020 1:19 pm

“probably” = speculation/ignorance.
Facts: Not only did he have antibodies, it was learned that he was exposed to someone infected at his workplace, AND he infected his son.

Good citizen
July 7, 2020 4:43 am

Folks in Crown Heights were told by their doctors that Corona is over there. How irresponsible of them! Crown Heights is not a walled city. People come and go. Regardless of doctor’s advice. I know of another Crown Heightser who recently contracted Covid on a private plane. And what is with all the simchos indoors without masks or social distancing? I’m afraid people don’t understand herd immunity. It doesn’t work if people come and go.

To the above comments about not wearing masks
July 7, 2020 9:15 am

For your information the surgical masks- those you commonly see that are blue on one side , white on the other- those protect other people from your germs but dont protect you from others. The ones referred to as n95’s protect others from your germs and protect you from other people’s germs. Those who think masks are an attempt by big government to control us are sadly mistaken. If we had known about masks in CH early on, many lives could have been saved and much sickness and suffering could have been avoided. I cant get over how so many… Read more »

Wear an N95 mask
July 7, 2020 9:50 am

It protects you and others.

Prevention
July 7, 2020 10:10 am

All those who are worried just quarantine L’olom Voed for ever and ever. Don’t go out, don’t buy food don’t go to shul. Don’t open your door for anyone Just wear your mask

Ad Mosai
July 7, 2020 10:29 am

When will it be OK to take our masks off, when we have a vaccine? If reinfection is not possible, we don’t have much to worry about. If reinfection is possible, a vaccine is useless.

GROW UP, PEOPLE
July 7, 2020 12:27 pm

The average masks are to prevent one’s own droplets from one’s own mouth reaching far out – so it can possibly infect others. Because so much is still unknown – as to who may be infectious – even if tested negative, even if no symptoms, or how long it takes to shed all traces of the virus after recovering… it is a mark of SELFLESSNESS to wear a mark – to PROTECT THE NEXT ONE. EACH PROTECTS THE OTHER Very important and can make all the difference. No one wants to be responsible for SPREADING. – if a little care… Read more »

Those with antibodies...
July 7, 2020 1:14 pm

don’t need masks so they are no longer contagious.

not a mayven
Reply to  Those with antibodies...
July 7, 2020 2:40 pm

are you trying to prove that you are uneducated? where did you get your medical degree. you are saying the opposite of what our medical professionals are saying. antibodies provide protection for the short term…perhaps the very short term. reinfection is happening. wear your mask…the life you save may be one of your own

dem party
July 7, 2020 2:39 pm

is our community rachama l’zlan becoming part of the dem party?? 99.50% survival rate. for rioting and looting theres no need for social distancing & masks. in Oregon only white are obligated to wear a mask not blacks

A concerned CH Resident
July 7, 2020 2:48 pm

It is ridiculous to read some of these comments, by members of our community. Crown heights is not immune from the problems the wider world is facing at the present. At the very least, all people that attend 770 and shules should be wearing face masks, as well as in supermarkets. And don’t get me started on lchaims and weddings that have started again indoors. Wearing a mask in a supermarket or in 770 doesn’t have to be for your protection if you feel bulletproof from corona, for some reason. It shows your fellow community members, that you care and… Read more »

Masks
July 7, 2020 11:22 pm

“It’s just a mask” will turn into “It’s just a vaccine,” very quickly. In less than 5 months, our government has successfully divided the country into “obedient mask wearers”, and “selfish people who refuse to wear masks.” In less than 5 months, our government has dictated which events are acceptable and we are allowed to attend, and which are not allowed. Violent riots are acceptable and encouraged, while family gatherings and celebrations are not allowed. Standing in a graduation line is a “safety hazard,” but lining up at big-box stores is not. In less than 5 months, our government succeeded… Read more »

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