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‘Chovevei’ Becomes Dual Yeshivos

Long-time Yeshiva Chovevei Torah in Crown Heights is being restructured into 2 separate Yeshivas, Tomchei Tmimim and Achei Tmimim. Full Story

Tanya Leah Friedman, 77, OBM

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To number 21
June 7, 2018 8:47 am

Yiras Shomayim and a full day of learning are not mutually exclusive. Many bochurim would thrive in a less intense environment, working with their hands and having time for exercise.

It’s true that a great many bochurim start to lose their way. It seems this program is designed to keep every bochur growing in Yiras Shomayim and learning.

Let’s not assume that a bochur is not a moireh shomayim, simply because ‘the system’ doesn’t cater for him.

Actions speak louder
June 6, 2018 11:01 pm

Why cant their be an honest accounting in the mesifta system. How many bochrim feel good and accomplished about their learning. How many want to be cassidish? How many go to the mikva and daven barichus and with a connection? How many bochrim understand what gemara can do in their avodad Hashem? Mesiftas are becoming a three ring circus and the bochrim see it so clearly. Its not the smart phones or the girls. Its not goish music and its not tznius or more lisure time thats needed Its becoming close to a bochur and asking them how they feel… Read more »

Looks wonderful
June 6, 2018 10:44 pm

Very hard to implement so Kol hakavod!
What does accredited here mean?
How much is tuition?
What sports are available? Real sports coach? What parnosdoh will they be guided towards as they get older and in a kosher respectable way?
A concerned parent.
Thank you

Accreditation
Reply to  Looks wonderful
February 24, 2023 11:54 am

Bracha vshalom
I have the same question regarding accreditation.
Moshiach NOW!!!

I thought there was a silevr lining and then...
June 6, 2018 7:38 pm

I saw #36, which, if from hanhala, busts my bubble. I thought the reosn why the original post was vague about the curriculum ofr “achei” is because they didn’t want to emblazon perhaps secular studies that would be included, especially since the post sticks in, as if an afterthought “the yeshiva is fully accredited”. I hoped there could be computer classes and perhaps skills like coding, accounting, business management, etc., all tolls that could be used for straight parnassa, or even in support of Chabad institutions, thereby empowering these potential shluchim… Sports is important. Maybe they’ll modify their schedule so… Read more »

Breath of fresh air
June 6, 2018 2:48 pm

Rabbi Blau had an idea and instead of just talking he went ahead with it !! May it be with hatzlacha !

The Schedules
June 6, 2018 2:23 pm

*Tomchei Tmimim Yeshiva – Daily Schedule* 7:00 Modeh Ani & Mikvah 7:30 Chassidus 9:00 Korbonos and preparation for Teffilah (Mikvah) 9:30 Schachris 10:20 Breakfast 11:00 Iyun 2:15 Mincha 2:35 Lunch – 3:45 Hilchos Shabbos Leiyun with Poskim 5:15 Girso – full mesechta 6:30 Sichos & Shiurim on the topic of Geulah Umoshiach 7:00 Supper – 8:00 Night Seder 9:30 Maariv 9:45 Seder Sichos in 770 11:15 Krias Shema & Lights out Tomchei Tmimim Roshei Yeshivos & Mashpim *You may choose which Shiurim you would like to attend in Chassidus and Gemara* Mashpiim: 1. Rabbi Y. Paltiel 2.Rabbi S. Sternberg Roshei… Read more »

The system
June 6, 2018 1:36 pm

It used to be, that not every boy went to Yeshiva. Now it became something that everyone does. So making 2 “systems” in necessary. Can’t only be one “system” for all.

If watered down...
June 6, 2018 12:55 pm

If the program/schedule is weak and also, dosn’t have enough strong chassidus (to explain everything) – then it will could come out to a watered down experience – essentially, a baby sitting experience with free time – supposedly to cater to the bochurim’s needs – when what they really need is a tight schedule.

Rabbi blau
June 6, 2018 12:53 pm

Unfortunately you think you are doing something new
This was the way it used to be
Our yeshivos had everyone before uniforms today my friends including myself are very prominent shluchim teachers askonim vechu

Whats unique about your “new” approach is you and your staff

Today the yeshivas have ramim mashpim etc who look at there needs
You and the staff at the yeshiva are allways looking for the tamims need

Im sure there will be changes but only as a redult of your devotion

As a parent i know your yeshiva is not about פשרות its 100% איבערגעגעבנקייט

benken noch di alte teg
June 6, 2018 12:35 pm

When I was growing up, TTL offered a fully accredited regent high school diploma. It was a well rounded opportunity for Tmimim.

The system has weekend since then so we come up with all kinds of band-aids.

Talmid Chochom
June 6, 2018 12:30 pm

Sounds Amazing really owe the above staff tremendous thanks
Important ? What about 19-21 boy who needs less intense program .It seems the program for younger boys is less intense .

Interesting Idea
June 6, 2018 11:53 am

To #24, yes, the yeshivos here in America used to be called Achei Temimim (like Pittsburgh, PA, and Worcester, MA).

In general though, it’s a great idea to give different levels, all with great standards, to assist different students. I do also like the ideas above of in the extra time available also teaching or providing some other skills that can come in handy.

To Esther Blau
June 6, 2018 11:32 am

Mazel tov Esther
You have the most incredible family
Much nachas from all you amazing children!

Doubly impressed
June 6, 2018 11:31 am

I’m impressed with both of these programs. Each one sounds like an amazing program in its own right.

Thank you!
June 6, 2018 11:23 am

Brilliant initiative.
A model for of Chanoch lnaar al pi darko.
Wishing the staff siyata dishmaya with tremendous hatzlacha and nachas from every talmid with the Rebbes Brachos.

What is the label for an Achai Student?
June 6, 2018 11:16 am

Labels…. labels… are you a Tomim or an Ach?

Sounds good, but neeeds to be implemented with LOTS and LOTS of sensitivity…. or else this will cause more harm than good….

best years of my life
June 6, 2018 11:08 am

Spent in chovevei. Rabbi Blau is reallu really good

Achei Tmimim
June 6, 2018 10:33 am

In general, besides, I guess, for Bedford and Dean/Chovevei, weren’t all Yeshivos with Limmudei Chol always called Achei Tmimim, rather than Tomchei Tmimim?

Rabbi levi Tzukernik
June 6, 2018 9:38 am

Reaches and helps bochurim in the most kind, sensitive and impactful way. The ideal person to run the program

A Bocher
June 6, 2018 9:05 am

Rabbi blau and rabbi tzukernik are the best!!

Smicha
June 6, 2018 8:53 am

One would think you would want to give smicha to yorei shomayim masmidim b’limud hatorah and not the other way around

Wow
June 6, 2018 8:53 am

Revolutionary

Why the age difference
June 6, 2018 8:22 am

Why is tomchei temimim until 21 and achai temimim until 19?

Very excited
June 6, 2018 8:02 am

sounds like an excellent idea, and hopefully will be implemented well

Will Achei Temimim have VOCATIONAL training?!
June 6, 2018 7:36 am

It seems vocational training is more important than leisure.
Will be great if it does!!! A chassidishe Baal Bo’s or employed in avodas hakodesh is a great thing.

finally
June 6, 2018 7:21 am

about time! Hatzlacha Raba

Rabbi Blau
June 6, 2018 6:47 am

Rabbi Blau Thinks day and night about how to make the gashmius and ruchnius of the boys as good as can be.
This is an amazing forward thinking move.
Hatzlacha!

Mother of many
June 6, 2018 5:36 am

Agree with 1! This is the time for learning skills ,discovering talents. Teenagers everywhere need it.
Please ,this is just as important as learning kodeish. Streets are full of bochrim who don’t know what to do with thselves.

Rabbi Tzukernik
June 6, 2018 1:42 am

Finally a Yeshivah being run by a younger guy who actually understands bochurim, and is not living in the 1980’s.

Bravo!
June 6, 2018 12:53 am

A long overdue revolution.
The toxic environments that exist in many yeshivos has long wreaked havoc within our system. Many bochurim feel, trapped, claustrophobic and apathetic to yiddishkeit due to being in a yeshiva not meant for them. As a result an ‘Avir” – atmosphere of pathetic indifference spreads throughout the yeshiva. This isn’t healthy for anyone involved.
Its about time that full time yeshiva was a personal commitment that the bochur makes. Not just a ‘system’ to float through.

Rabbi Blau
June 6, 2018 12:25 am

Amazing Chossid! A Menahel that cares about the INDIVIDUAL Bochur and is willing to put in extra thought, time and effort to help each Neshoma that comes through his doors. Memenu Yilmidu

Great idea
June 5, 2018 11:58 pm

Let every type of boy flourish in their element.
Rabbi blau puts his heart and soul and time into everything he does and finds a way to reach every bochur

Continued Hatzlacha!!

Wonderful
June 5, 2018 11:33 pm

Good point to number 1. I’m sure leisure time will be productive and in the spirit of bchol drachecho

Finally
June 5, 2018 11:25 pm

This is probably the best news this year yet.
Aleh vehatzlach. Rabbi Blau you should receive the Nobel price or its equivalent in the Jewish chinuch world (if that exists)

To above commenter about leisure time: I would like clarification as well. But probably means not as rigid. Not a 14 hour day 7:30-9:30
Chanoch lanar al pi darko style

Details, please?
June 5, 2018 10:49 pm

Your novel idea sounds good but with regards to the AcheinTmimim program you only wrote half a description. What is the schedule? The leniency? The goal? Etc.

Amazing!!
June 5, 2018 10:36 pm

Between Rabbi Blau and Rabbi Tzukernik it will be absolutely awesome

Rabbi Blau is amazing!
June 5, 2018 10:33 pm

Thank you Rabbi Blau for the sensitivity and understanding of today’s bochurim.
May you have much hatzlacha

Hatzlocha Rabbi Blau!
June 5, 2018 10:29 pm

Thank you so much for all your effort you put into this yeshiva. My son has changed and became a much better bochur after spending a year there.

finally
June 5, 2018 10:23 pm

finally someone got it!

Rabbi Blau is unique
June 5, 2018 10:19 pm

He is caring , sensitive and so well rounded

Excellent
June 5, 2018 10:01 pm

All good sounding except…. the Achei Temimim program will have more “time for leisure” – let the bochurim learn a trade or whatever suits their needs…but not empty free time please!

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