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“Chabad Girls Schools Should Be Teaching Gemara”

In an interview, renowned Binghamton University Shlucha Mrs. Rivky Slonim speaks about practices in the Gurary family, her well-known books and why Chabad girls schools should incorporate Mishna and Gemara into their curriculum. Full Story, Audio

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I agree!!
September 22, 2020 12:34 am

Gemarah should be taught in the girls schools. I always wanted to learn gemarah.

Good thinking
Reply to  I agree!!
September 22, 2020 3:09 am

Not saying it shouldn’t be done, but your comment implies that not being taught in school is why women don’t learn it after school. That’s just not true, as mrs slonim said, there are resources for women who want to learn. It’s a great idea, however let’s not use it as a crutch.

You can learn Gemorah as an adult
Reply to  I agree!!
September 22, 2020 12:15 pm

When I was young, I also wanted to learn Gemara and was told it’s just for boys. That desire stayed with me. When Art Scroll first published Tractate Megilla in about 1993, I purchased it for my husband. Seeing it unread on the shelf for many months, I decided to cautiously take a look. That was the beginning. For the first few masechtos, I didn’t grasp the larger picture because I had no background. But I kept at it. I searched out the central concepts and principles and read commentary wherever I could find it. Then I began saying the… Read more »

to i agree
September 22, 2020 4:08 am

learning to learn gemoro properly takes years at least 7 years of full time yeshiva and thats just a tip off the iceberg , unless u want to scroll through shas your local judaica store should have plenty of artscrolls

Don't "scroll through Shas." Learn it!
Reply to  to i agree
September 22, 2020 12:46 pm

Any intelligent, motivated Jewish adult can learn Shas. Will the learning be identical to the way Yeshivah boys are taught to learn? No, it won’t.

But given enough time and devotion, effort and persistence, you can learn Shas. Start online; start with ArtScroll; start with Dial-a Daf…you can begin in many ways. The important thing is to continue and to increase your knowledge and skills, and always to remember that this too is Hashem’s Torah. Hatzlacha rabbah!

oy vey
September 22, 2020 4:13 am

sounds exciting could just imagine the productions about abaye and rava

Last edited 1 month ago by oy vey
First
September 22, 2020 6:58 am

All girl schools should first learn hilchas Tznius and kashris to help them run a kosher and yiras Shumiyim home.

together
Reply to  First
September 22, 2020 10:10 am

why first? why not together? empower the girls with skills that they can learn all halachos on their own, thats what mishna and gemara will show them.

Many women LOVE mothering & homemaking
September 22, 2020 8:03 am

Let’s not add another quality to the long list we strive for…
Some women may love to learn and others may actually love cooking and homemaking!
I personally find so much fulfillment in taking care of my children. Learning is nice and I love it too!! But being a scholar (as an end in itself) never was and never should be an aspiration for every woman. It isn’t an aspiration for every man either. We find fulfillment in different ways.
There are already too many “shoulds” on the list of qualities we “should” have. We do not need more!

Moving Towards the Rebbe's Vision
September 22, 2020 8:44 am

Many thanks for this enlightening encouragement to shift the paradigm and move towards the Rebbe’s vision, in which girls and women are proficient in Torah shebe’al pe. It’s amazing to hear about it’s (partial) roots with the Rebbe Rashab and the Gurary cousins Leah and Sonia. Many years ago, I asked one of the heads of the Chabad girls’ school that one of my daughters was attending about the gap between the Rebbe’s vision and the relatively modest Torah shebe’al pe offerings in the school. He answered that when arriving in seminary, the girls are expected to be proficient in… Read more »

Ignorance equals disrespect
September 22, 2020 9:48 am

Rampant disrespect for halacha might be remedied by having 10th graders learn the halachic process from the inside. Also Aggadata should be taught well.

Rebbe: light years ahead
September 22, 2020 10:12 am

My grandfather told me (in Yiddish): We need the intelligence to listen to the Rebbe.

Meaning: Don’t expect to understand all (or any) of the Rebbe’s directives; but understand at least enough of the Rebbe’s greatness to realize that he’s light years ahead, and that the intelligent thing is to follow him implicitly.

Is this Sonia Gurary the Rashag's sister?
September 22, 2020 10:14 am

Is this Sonia Gurary the Rashag’s sister?

Not sure ?
Reply to  Is this Sonia Gurary the Rashag's sister?
September 22, 2020 3:12 pm

Possibly yisroel aryeh leibs daughter ? The rebbes neice ?

The dates do not work
Reply to  Not sure ?
September 22, 2020 5:00 pm

The Rebbe Rashab passed away in 1920, while RYAL married in 1939.

yes
Reply to  Is this Sonia Gurary the Rashag's sister?
September 22, 2020 5:00 pm

yes
and her name was sonia rosenblum

Where can she start?
September 22, 2020 10:44 am

If a woman would like to learn mishna or gemara, are there classes online for that?

Links
Reply to  Where can she start?
September 22, 2020 12:14 pm

First of all, everything is on Chabad.org!

Mishnah- https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4329350/jewish/Mishnah-Audio.htm

There are also apps for Gemara that have in-depth shiurim:

AllDaf or Real Clear Daf

These are not geared towards women per say but they are good resources. Also, Batsheva Learning Center has Beginner and Advanced Gemara classes for women. Highly recommend them!

Yes, of course.
Reply to  Where can she start?
September 22, 2020 12:24 pm

Do a search on google.

Yes
Reply to  Where can she start?
September 22, 2020 2:50 pm

Batsheva Learning Center offers Gemara classes for women.
http://Www.batshevalearningcenter.com

Not that make light.
September 22, 2020 11:41 am

But in order to learn gemara properly and have a grasp on it’s ideas and way of learning.
It takes many hours and years of commitment, if a women would like to do that. np, but know that there is a reason why bochurim learn gemara for 6 hours a day for 7 years.

The Rebbe's view
September 22, 2020 11:41 am

In the days preceding Rosh Hashanah 5713 (1952), the Rebbe received a group of university students for a joint yechidus in his room. One student asked, “Is Torah learning equal for girls as it is for boys? Does Lubavitch offer higher education in Torah for girls, such as Talmud studies? The Rebbe responded, “No. Men are obligated to study Gemara, but not women. “The reason for this is not because they are less capable, but because Hashem has entrusted them with a more important, loftier duty, and they are therefore absolved from learning Torah. “That holy duty,” the Rebbe explained,… Read more »

That’s only one source, Other sources differ
Reply to  The Rebbe's view
September 22, 2020 9:18 pm

Go to http://www.batshevalearningcenter.com and they can email a source book with sichos and a yechidus with the Belzer Rebbe about the importance of women’s Torah Study.

Yes!
September 22, 2020 11:42 am

Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for encouraging more learning and analytical thinking.

Today most girls can’t even read Rashi without nekudos or English translation.Sad,but true.

The Rebbe's view
September 22, 2020 11:44 am

The Chachamim commanded that a person should not teach his daughter Torah, because most women cannot concentrate their attention on study, and thus transform the words of Torah into idle matters because of their lack of understanding.
[Thus,] our Sages declared: “Whoever teaches his daughter Torah is like one who teaches her tales and parables.” This applies to the Oral Law. [With regard to] the Written Law: at the outset, one should not teach one’s daughter. However, if one teaches her, it is not considered as if she was taught idle things. (Chabad.org)

A Moment with the Rebbe:
September 22, 2020 1:07 pm

When a student asked the Rebbe why women’s learning differs from men’s, the Rebbe clarified the specific role of Jewish women. In the days preceding Rosh Hashanah 5713 (1952), the Rebbe received a group of university students for a joint yechidus in his room. After a few words on the significance of the time, the Rebbe allowed for questions. One student asked, “Is Torah learning equal for girls as it is for boys? Does Lubavitch offer higher education in Torah for girls, such as Talmud studies? The Rebbe responded, “No. Men are obligated to study Gemara, but not women. “The… Read more »

Funny
September 22, 2020 1:10 pm

The kids can barely pass the Ivrit regents yet they want them to learn Aramaic now?

Interesting
September 22, 2020 1:51 pm

B”H
I think it was on a JEM video, where someone told the Rebbe it’s not his family minhag for girls to light Shabbos candles. The Rebbe responded that it was not the minhag to send girls to school either. So it’s very interesting that this suggestion of more Tarah learning for girls is coming from the daughter of Mrs. Esther Sternberg, whom the Rebbe put in charge of first implementing the Neshek campaign.

Montreal back in the day
September 22, 2020 2:38 pm

When the Chaya Mushka Seminary first opened in the 80’s there was an accredited adult learning core including some of the finest teachers Montreal had to offer. Rabbi Berel Bell taught us Hilchos Yichud and we learned Talmud inside,,, Rashi, Tsofos,etc…and what it helped us with the most was to understand how a halacha (which in this case is particularly relevant to women) is derived and decided upon based on Torah sheBaalPeh.

The Rebbe's view: Woman studying תורה שבעל פה
September 22, 2020 3:44 pm

In 1990, the Rebbe published an entire pamphlet on this subject. From the Talks of Shabbos Parshas Emor, Erev LaG Be Omer, 5750: ‘Regarding the obligation of Jewish women in Education and in the Study of Torah’. (ספר השיחות ה’תש”נ, כרך ב’, ע’ 455-459, תורת מנחם התוועדויות תש”נ, חלק ג’, ע’ 171 – 175) (Towards the end of Ch. 4): … From this it is understood also regarding the study of the Oral Torah (in addition to the study of ‘the laws that they [= women] require’): since in any case women and girls study various topics by means of… Read more »

If there’s time for COL, Facebook, WhatsApp ... :)
September 22, 2020 10:12 pm

Then there’s time for Gemara/ Torah learning for women. The learning would benefit future generations as well as the atmosphere in the home.

Women can do it!
September 29, 2020 6:30 pm

I have always loved the maamarim of the Alter Rebbe, but couldn’t find a class or intructor who taught them to women. My neighbor and I formed a weekly chavrusa, and now, 30 years later, (until Covid) we still get together and enjoy struggling over Lekutei Torah and Torah Ohr. All that effort has led to deeper understanding and great inspiration.

credit to Mrs. Turen
October 1, 2020 10:15 pm

pioneer for raising the academic level for girls.

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