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    Bochur Struck Crossing Street

    A bochur was struck by a passing car as he attempted to cross Eastern Parkway Tuesday evening. Full Story

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    again
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    again

    this same thing happened yesterday too. On Empire boulevard. this is crazy. Allso a Bochur was crossing the Street, & got hit by a car, luckily the injuries were minor. this is crazy.

    anyone who crosses
    Guest
    anyone who crosses

    Crossing EP in middle is suicidal and if someone is killed crossing it may be qutionbale about jewish cemetery burial

    Meir
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    Meir

    BS”D maybe this is a good time to ask re the wisdom of the lights crossing EP-when one direction turns red and you are able to cross the other direction is still green with the cars zooming. Hope he will be ok, getting hit by a car going 50 mph is no small matter

    To #2
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    To #2

    Lay off the pipe, please, that’s far extreme. But yes it is quite stupid and careless to cross in middle of a busy parkway, for you and the drivers!

    Stop
    Guest
    Stop

    Stop these guys from 749 crossing in middle of street.

    It ain’t fair for hatzalah guys to go running each and every time

    Get the mashpiyim involved!
    Guest
    Get the mashpiyim involved!

    If there needs to be a farbrengen on this subject in 770, let the mashpiyim farbreng with the bochurim about this topic. It also makes a big chilul Hashem. I know, in Kikar Shabbat there’s 4-way crossing at the lights, so some bochurim are used to just walking or running in between cars. But Kan Tziva is not Kikar Shabbat. It’s really a matter of pikuach nefesh to reeducate the bochurim who still don’t get it.

    Is jaywalking not illegal in NY?
    Guest
    Is jaywalking not illegal in NY?

    I live in California, and here jaywalking (crossing in the middle of the block) is illegal. Is it not also illegal in NY? If it is illegal, so doesn’t dina d’malchusa dina apply?

    Dangerous corner
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    Dangerous corner

    The lights at Kingston and Eastern Parkway are, simply said, very dangerous. Many people do not realize that while one side is red the other way is still green. Have seen a number of close calls. At Brooklyn Ave they work in reverse order. Both sides stop together and then, as they turn green, one side goes before the other thus allowing for the turning traffic to move first. Time to petition the DMV to change the order at Kingston also. May Hashem watch over us.

    to #4
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    to #4

    Why is it not suicidal? Speak to hatzala they will tell you that over 25 Bochrim were hit crossing in middle and remeber for every 1 actual “HIT” there are 7 close calls. What has to happen to them to stop??!!

    an idea
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    an idea

    maybe a light or stop sign can be put up in middle of the block for the bochurim who are crossing the street everyday

    Huh?
    Guest
    Huh?

    It was a OT bachur…. Not everything is tzfatim….

    bridge
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    bridge

    Over eastern parkway
    It’s a school zone

    sick and tired of this
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    sick and tired of this

    i was just driving on eastern pkwy the other night right in front of 749 and almost hit an idiot bochur completely dressed in black running right into the two way street, its a nes that i saw him the last second. it aggravates me to no end when i see them and the chassidishe women especially in williamsburg who put their baby carriages in front of them as antennas to check the road for cars…… something needs to be done in educating these people, please start when your kids are young….. in front of 749 there needs to be… Read more »

    500$ fine
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    500$ fine

    It should be a 500$ fine for someone crossing in the middle of the street

    ot
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    ot

    Ot chay!!!!! Bh

    I'm only amazed this doesn't happen more often!!!
    Guest
    I'm only amazed this doesn't happen more often!!!

    I live on this block and see bochurim jaywalking it every single day! What about not having to walk the extra 100 yards to the corner makes it worth risking their lives?!?! And what about the drivers of the cars, do the bochurim think about how a driver feels when they suddenly see a person dash in front of their moving car?!

    a goodness hachlata
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    a goodness hachlata

    again?!bachrim this is really serious venishmartem meod al nafshosechem! maybe this could be a good hachlata, not to ever cross the streets in the middle,,besoros tovos!

    Really?
    Guest
    Really?

    Are we really supposed to feel bad? Yet again, another stupid bochur crossing in the middle of a huge street!!! There’s a reason there’s a crosswalk, with lights. That corner even has a countdown at the don’t walk time. The city can’t make it any easier for you!

    Troy ave
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    Troy ave

    when the boys get out of Oheli torah on Troy ave it is a disaster they all run in the middle of the street without looking cars are coming cars are turning up Troy and those boys are RUNNING parents must talk to their boys and knock sense into them
    Be

    I agree either fine them or have them do community service
    Guest
    I agree either fine them or have them do community service

    I also live on the block and see countless men and bochurim running across the road. I feel like saying something to them but they are so ignorant it is just a waste of words. They must also think “Would they want their child or another child seeing this and copy their ignorant behavior “

    @ 3 Meir
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    @ 3 Meir

    wisdom of the lights… it’s call WAIT FOR THE WHITE MAN (no, he’s NOT green as many still confusingly tell their children). The crossing light is RED the whole time half the cars are zooming by, so no, you are NOT able to cross on EP when one direction turns red, BECAUSE the other direction is still green with the cars zooming. Hopefully, not going 50 mph as the speed limit is 25MPH! Your life is no small matter. Please be careful. And #10’s idea of a light in the middle of the block? Stop!!!!! When you leave 770 turn… Read more »

    Bobov
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    Bobov

    I live in Toronto a Boucher also recently got struck by a car and u know the bobov bochorim wear these reflector belt a product of hatzalah and they make it mandatory to were at night they are available In most judaica stores in Toronto so I think that In crown heights since there are many judaica stores should start selling after all there are allot of bochorim

    accident
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    accident

    it was unfortunately totally the bochurs fault he was not looking when he was crossing here the victim was the driver

    Iyun
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    Iyun

    Wouldn’t it be great if the same iyun and hasmada that was put into such practical issues would be applied to Torah as well. What nachas the Rebbe would have.

    Masmid
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    Masmid

    I am a bochur and I cross EP often but never at the light.

    My time is precious.

    Many of you don’t realize that 3-5 minutes X several times a day X 7 days a week adds up to: an omud of gemarah, a perek Rambam, an ois of a maamar and a sicha too.

    On a weekly basis, this translates into a great gain or loss over the year.

    #25
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    #25

    Is your life precious too?

    to# 25
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    to# 25

    what do you think the rebbe would say on that? that you should gain some learning, at the risk of something happening to you c”v? and btw. you could miss way more learning if you c”v end up in a hospital. and if a person passes away… they cant learn at all. but we don’t do things cause of the reasoning! the rebbe would definitely not approve. when the rashab opend tomchai timimim, his plan was not to put ppl.s lives in danger. bitul: what does hashem want me to do. may you and all of klal yisroel always be… Read more »

    to # 25
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    to # 25

    it’s unreal how much stupidity your writing.
    it says in the possuk “וחי בהם”.
    we say by shabbos that “better be mechallel one shabbos, and be able to keep many more shabbosois.
    we can say that here too. better “waste” this ‘so-called’ precious time and not learn whatever your saying and being able to learn much more being that you be in a hospital bed or worse ch’v

    They should
    Guest
    They should

    Make a bridge across eastern parkway.

    To #26 and #27
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    To #26 and #27

    I am bochur #25. Your points are made as ba’alei batim (daas baal habayis haypech Torah). Our grandparents in Russia went through greater dangers then jay walking in order to learn a few minutes. These grandparents would laugh at your comments and advise me to ignore your words! Indeed, some R”L were sent to Siberia and or executed for learning. But did that stop them? Did they make your cheshbon that better to be safe then take a risk to learn Torah? Since when do you know what Hashem wants or what the Rebbe would say? Our grandparents were true… Read more »

    Chavrusa of #25
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    Chavrusa of #25

    I would like to add another viewpoint to what my chavrusa wrote in #25. Everything is hashgocha protis. HKB”H is the one who causes EVERYTHING to happen in this world (except for our bchira to do mitzvos). If a bochur is R”L hit while crossing the street – this is EXACTLY what was meant to happen. It is UNAVOIDABLE. Hashem caused it to happen. It was all part of Hashem’s plan. The bochur would have been hit crossing at the light or even if he would have stayed indoors. This is basic 101 Emunah that every frum yid believes in.… Read more »

    WOW
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    WOW

    Two bochurim, #25 and his chaver #31, are really WOW bochurim! Where are you two hiding? As a mother, I wish I could know who they are because I have two wonderful daughters.

    Really?
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    Really?

    Dear bachurim, Crossing in the middle of the street is not okay. Cars don’t think to look for you. Spend the time walking and crossing at the light. Review your studies as you walk. Please don’t use our holy chassiddim and their mesiras nefesh as an excuse for your laziness. It’s a chillul Hashem everytime a traveler on ep needs to press on their breaks because for you. All trough out the Torah travel is not considered a waist of time. Getting from point a to b is a is the shortest safest way is a part of life. Your… Read more »

     #31
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    #31

    you never herd about השטן מקטרג בשעת הסכנה
    were do people get such שטותים from
    ה’ ישמור

    #25 31
    Guest
    #25 31

    i hope thy are just having fun seeing how people are getting angry and thy don’t mean it

    To #33
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    To #33

    I am bochur #25. You suggest learning while walking (“u’velechtecha ba’derech”). You suggest we review what we know by-heart. I am sure you mean well, but obviously you have been too long away from yeshiva. Let me put it this way, would you “think through” your business decisions while walking in the street? Would you plan your budget by-heart? Learning is serious business for yid. The world was created for yidden to learn Torah. Do you know why Hashem allows Eastern Parkway to exist? For the learning of Torah! So if someone is driving on EP, he should be aware… Read more »

    I'm 33
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    I'm 33

    Hi. Your spending time reading comments on col and not learning so you could walk the extra 3 min. And yes I study and review as I travel. I prapare lectures as I walk. As every shliach what he does as he walks to Shul Shabbos morning. Most review their speech. Yes the world was created for Torah however, we still have to follow the laws to nature. A car tracking 25 miles an hour looking in the direction he should be looking should not have to stop or slow down. No. No. They should not. That could cause a… Read more »

    #31
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    #31

    You can’t be serious. Wow.

    wow indeed
    Guest
    wow indeed

    @25 and 31 LOOOOOOL You guys have to be joking, you have us all fooled. Either way… To state the exceedingly obvious: how is it that you have no time to wait two minutes at the light, but have time to come back to COL to post and repost, during seder sichos time! Let’s be honest, you’re trolling. Otherwise, have a word with your mashpia about mivtza common sense. Just ask him whether to do what you’re doing. I used to be a bochur and I also crossed in THE middle of THE street, but it was out of impatience,… Read more »

    To #37 & 39
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    To #37 & 39

    You point that we have time to read and respond to comments but no time to walk to the corner and cross at the light, is flawed. Although the point seems logical, it demonstrates again how baal habatim’s “logic” is contradictory to Torah. Part of learning is lilmod u’lelamed, to learn and to teach. We spend our time learning but we also share our learning (and hashkofas) with others. By commenting, we are being melamed our limud to the public. As the mishna says – “al tachzik Torah l’atzmecha”, don’t hoard the Torah for yourself, but share it. As an… Read more »

    Unsure
    Guest
    Unsure

    Are these two commenting bochurim for REAL? Either they are super great bochurim or stupendously morons. I am really unsure. To the mother who wants them for her daughters, be cautious. These guys might belong on a pedestal or they might belong in an institution.

    To 25 & 32
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    To 25 & 32

    You two bochur I’m sound like perfect fools! The Torah does. OtsY put your money in a torn pocket and Hashem will saVe it. Hashem wants people to do what they have to for their own safety and he will then help him. Does this mean you never go on miv tzaim? That’s wasting a lot more time from learning! And to the mother of the two daughters, can you imAgine your grandchildren being crossed I. Middle of Eastern parkway by their “holy” father who doesn’t want to waste thirty seconds ( or even three minutes, for heavens same) to… Read more »

    Calling Bochurim "fools"
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    Calling Bochurim "fools"

    Name calling is childish. One resorts to debate with name calling when there is no intellectual argument to make. Commentators have called these bochurim “fools”,” Morons” etc. because these commentators were depleted of any logical retort. Such comments are a sad commentary on the lack of intellectual resources that these writers have.

    ahem
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    ahem

    @39
    Thanks for answering my question re: whether you’re trolling. Good job! You had me fooled

    to ahem (44)
    Guest
    to ahem (44)

    sadly, i suspect they ARE serious and that they will continue risking life and limb to save a few minutes. They learn but they haven’t learned their lesson.

    So...
    Guest
    So...

    Keep crossing in the middle of the street and if one day a car stops for you and causes an accedent. You will be responsible for the direct death of a human. And live with that you the rest of you life. Eating is not waiting time. And going to the toilet is not waiting time. Crossing like a mentch falls in the same catagory. When your older you’ll understand. For now listen to those that are older. They know. They have seen more. It’s not the 60s anymore you can trust ppl over 30. Rs to the brachur that… Read more »

    The real truth
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    The real truth

    For the bocherim saying that they cross in middle of the street for reasons of learning etc. read this story: In the tof shins (1940’s) the rebbe raayatz was on the porch by his apt. In 770 and saw how a Bocher ran in midlle of the street, later the rebbe raayatz Told this bother that his heart skipped a beat fearing for the bochers life. The story can be seen in the safer beis chayenu – 770 from kehos. If that’s what the freierdike rebbe said to a Boucher that crossed in middle of the street, YOU should definitely… Read more »

    Masmid
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    Masmid

    In response to your comment about the Rayatz –

    Doesn’t a father’s heart skips a beat when his son is in danger – whether learning in a cheder in Communist Russia or crossing EP?

    Does that prove that the son is doing something incorrect?!

    Did the Rayatz tell the bochur not to do it again?! Or did he merely express that he cared about the bochur.

    Masmid's Chavrusah
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    Masmid's Chavrusah

    I would add the point that there are MANY sichos that stress how a tommim does not concern himself with worldly matters. A tommim’s essence is strictly to learn and do mivtzoyim. The world has no place to dictate his life. Including man-made rules regulating when and where to cross a street.

    Uh?
    Guest
    Uh?

    In #48 you seem to write that it would be okay for a bochur to cause the Rebbe’s heart to skip a beat?! You seem to think there is nothing “incorrect” / wrong with that!!! Are you INSANE???

    Second Uh?
    Guest
    Second Uh?

    In #49 you seem to say that a bochur does not need to concern himself with the word – Does that mean you walk into a wall??? Buddy, news flash, there IS a world so deal with it, and just like you don’t walk into a wall (or you will bang your head and break your nose), the same, you also don’t cross in middle of busy street (see what could happen if you walk into wall).

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