By Devorah Kamman, APRN
Caution, psychedelic treatments are not for everyone and should be discussed with qualified medical professionals. There can be serious negative consequences if not implemented with the right guidance.
As a Bais Rivkah alumnus and Yale-trained psychiatric nurse practitioner, I appreciated Rabbi Daniel Shonbuch’s take on the cautionary use of psychedelics for mental health. I got together with my husband, Rabbi Eli Bogart, LMHC, to share some thoughts to hopefully deepen this conversation.
By way of introduction, we’d like to invoke the Rebbe’s message that when a tool, such as meditation, is available to alleviate the suffering of those with mental and emotional anguish, it is incumbent on mental health professionals to educate themselves to provide this tool in a kosher way. We see psychedelics as such a powerful and important tool in alleviating internal suffering.
We’d also like to humbly acknowledge our own limits of understanding when it comes to psychedelics. We have personally seen the incredible benefits that these medicines have brought into people’s lives, and we have also seen some cases in which introducing psychedelics has caused turmoil and, sometimes, long-term destabilization.
That being said, we’d like to openly explore some of the points raised in the article with added nuance.
Psychedelics can be tried before psychotropic medications in some cases. While we acknowledge that for some people, antidepressants like Prozac have been lifesaving, we are also well aware that these medications have serious risks for some people, including side effects and protracted withdrawals from which it can take months to recover. These risks are unfortunately minimized by a pharmaceutical industry that may not have our best interests at heart.
Some individuals may choose to trial a limited number of psychedelic sessions as a way to recover without having to become dependent on a drug that must be taken daily with its own associated risks. We agree that this decision is not one to be made lightly and requires significant guidance, thoughtfulness, and preparation.
Additionally, reserving psychedelics for the most severe cases may be counterproductive. As the Rebbe taught, a family is an organism. We have seen on numerous occasions that when an apparently healthy parent works with psychedelics, their newfound sensitivity and attunement has helped their own children in ways that may otherwise not be possible. Is it necessary for this parent to meet criteria for a DSM diagnosis for them to make a thoughtful decision to explore their own inner world in order to become more emotionally present for their struggling children? In fact, a person who is unstable may be at highest risk for backlash from psychedelic use. It may actually be preferred for their stable loved ones to take the deep dive into themselves in order to help their family.
We’d also like to clarify that psychedelics are not analogous to cardiac medications. From a psychedelically aware perspective, one might say that these medicines help us see that we are in fact not broken on the inside. We are whole, and we can access our essence to bring compassion to our emotional wounds. The reason a practitioner might choose to experience psychedelics in order to help guide their patients is not because they have the same psychological problems but because, in the realms of consciousness, you cannot take someone deeper than you are willing to go yourself.
An analogy might be calling someone who’s traveled to a distant country for tips before you journey there yourself. You would seek guidance from someone who’s actually traveled there rather than from a well-meaning person who’s acquainted themselves with the place by doing research on a travel site. Interestingly, a senior psychiatric mentor of ours shared that back in the day, psychiatrists would personally trial medications before prescribing them to patients, in part because they understood that they were traversing a different terrain than an internal medicine physician.
We feel that mental health professionals have an important and unique contribution to make in heeding the Rebbe’s call to make powerful tools for healing available in a kosher way. There are many ways in which well-intentioned individuals who are not psychologically informed can misuse psychedelics in the form of spiritual bypassing and narcissistic abuse. Mental health professionals can be well-positioned to recognize these common patterns and to help create appropriate settings for healing that are emotionally wholesome and safe. Mental health professionals can be key actors in helping to prepare people to enter these experiences with a mindset conducive to safe, deep growth and to process these experiences after loving, spiritually aware, and safe healing relationships.
To the readers, we welcome your thoughts on this important and evolving dialogue.
May Hashem protect us and help us all access safe, effective, and profound refuah in a way that improves our practical lives and strengthens our relationships with each other and with our Creator.
Well said Divi!!!!
…did our forebears in the shtetl somehow manage without psychedelics? I mean it! (And I am trying hard to be respectful and constructive here, please Hashem!) Psychedelics may be helpful for a few, just like other substances (in the light of Hashem having created the cure before He created the disease). But to suggest that the family members of troubled or mentally ill people take psychedelics??? Is there some kind of new “flavor of the month” peer pressure going on among mental health professionals all of a sudden? Did the authors of these 2 articles (about psychedelics) each consult their… Read more »
This is a rather interesting point to invoke seeing as we love very different lives from our “forebears in the shtetl.”
What about electricity? Phone service? Internet? Do you use any of these things that our forebears somehow managed without?
there’s an obvious difference between things that weren’t available to them and things that were?
I assume you don’t use novacain for your tooth filling, or tylenol for your headache, or… wait, what are you doing on the interent which forbearers didn’t use? Do you know that these therapists did NOT consult with their mashpiim before posting? And why should they anyway? At best, for medical matters, one is to consult with medical yeddidim, not mashpia. I get that the notion of using new substances in general and especialy to help someone ELSE and not the self, seems radical, but just say you don’t like it. Trying to use as argument by what went on… Read more »
Stop confusing actual MD’s with woo therapists pushing psychedelics… even on people who don’t have any mental health issues
Clearly you’ve never had a family member experience a mental health challenge. The roots always come back to the family, and if the individual is to heal, the family has to do their work, too.
The Shtetl wasn’t this idyllic world we need to recreate. They died young, they didn’t have antibiotics, and even their Yiddishkeit was quite limited. That’s why the Besht made the ‘revolution’ of stating that a Poshuter Yid is still of Infinite Value. So I don’t like the comparison to the Shtetl for any of our needs. The main idea of psychedelics is to find depth and meaning in your life. Not to heal what is broken, but to be so strong and resiliant that things don’t break quite as easily. It’s most likened to religion actually. Should only broken and… Read more »
If you wanna do your thing and take psychedelics, that’s your business. But please stop using the rebbe to justify your own grubkeit. Especially when there is a clear letter from the rebbe on the subject…..
if there is a letter please share eith the public
It’s wrong to always quote the rebbe in articles to gain justification from readers. Just like you would ask approval before quoting someone in your article, how is the rebbe who’s even more important any different?? Very disturbing.
Hi,
How about a comment from a MD Board Certified Psychiatrist? NP and PHD are not. NP has not done residency training. NP lack the experience and eye to Nuance an MD has.
How naive and adorable of you. Whenever you walk into primary care, uregent care or ER, you’re chances of being treated by NP’s are significantly higher than an MD
even if they happen to be a psychiatrist
I dont argue psycadelics may help someone “find themselves” but this is the opposite of butul metzias.
A great part of reason we experience so much turmoil is our lack of ability to not focus on “ourselves”
The pnimious we are searching for is not the story we live its the essence of our soul which is one with Hashem.
Is drinking alcohol also too self indulgent than
I practically became a non believer in anything. Guess what? I saw exactly what you are saying m, saw it, lived it, felt it in a psychedelic journey. It was as healing as it can be.
When you have a medical issue, you ask a rofeh yedid. If that qualified medical doctor thinks it’s best to ask a specialist, ask specialists. Two or even three if need be. But you don’t go to people who are not qualified in any way to be doctors for medical advice
What’s interesting is that u mention family members of ppl w mental illness are affected. This is SO true unfortunately, I have a family member with OCD and some serious anxiety. I would say I was affected tremendously by him growing up and don’t even like spending time with him now. I never thought that we should also be taking to help us live with him. But it makes sense
Please don’t bring the Rebbe into this discussion, as if the Rebbe endorsed this type of activity! This is the highest level of Chutzpah. If you want to promote a certain lifestyle, do it without mixing the Rebbe into it.
Wowow. Food for thought. I think this is a very interesting topic. I think that people should be discouraged from trying psychedelics with anyone other than a mental health professional with proper training and expertise. And I think that’s a serious point. I also think that this topic needs to be really well researched and explored and lots of clear information with data and anecdotes should be given to the public…
don’t do these things
The article does not give any reliable sources. As the author admits that the highest risk is for people who are unstable. And the suggestion for healthy people to take it is ludicrous. A person should consult a proper mainstream mental health professional.
Apples and oranges. Novocaine, the internet, and all your other examples were invented (or were more widely used in the world) post-Shtetl, historically. Also, your examples are not hallucinogens. Psychedelics are. Psychedelic substances (mushrooms, etc.) Are not new innovations. They have been in the world since ancient times. And somehow, Jewish life flourished for centuries without hallucinogens. And when it comes to making FEATURED statements to one’s community, it IS wise to consult one’s mashpia, not to the exclusion of consulting medical experts, etc. I did not accuse the two feature-writers of NOT consulting their mashpiim. I merely asked the… Read more »
Why no mention of “bad trips” and flashbacks?
At least Rabbi Schonbuch acknowledged these as part of the reality. Divi Kamman did not.
These are serious omissions.
is worse than your problems
the only question that remains is, how can the jews who already got damaged from them, be repaired, in mind body nervous system and brain? Can the nurse comment
because she doesn’t know the answer.
https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/letters/default_cdo/aid/3190865/jewish/Should-I-Take-LSD-to-Attain-Spiritual-Heights.htm
This is apparently is the dor of yeshus. Taking advice from the Joe Rogan podcast over the Rebbe who wrote clearly on the subject. Psychedelics are a bypass to the avodah one must do to reach a mystical experience. Look at all the self absorbed Hollywood and tech types that go take auyasca in the jungle, guess what a lot of them are still terrible self absorbed people, and we are no following in their derech? Miss please don’t bend the ways of chassidus to be relevant, we all remember R.Schachter who took this garbage and it broke his mind.… Read more »
Why is COL the appropriate platform to keep churning out articles pushing psychedelics?
are they intentionally or unintentionally channeling the satan
Psychedelics are drugs! All the cute names of “plant medicine, mushrooms, ayuhasca, peyote”, they are just another name for psychotic drugs.
We know the rebbe’s opinion on drugs (LSD the precursor to the above drug’s) and its a unequivocal NO!
As mentioned by some of the above comments, “please leave your personal Taavos out of it”. You want to debate etc. don’t start an article trying to be מטהר the שרץ with the Rebbe’s opinion, which whatever is known – is against consuming drug’s.
Every year there are 3 or so articles supportive of a new edgy mental health trend, which is then immediately followed by 3 or so articles of Chabad Rabbanim sending out a letter that that this trend is forbidden, against Torah and against Chassidus, and then followed by a new weekly podcast series by someone explaining how to instead reach our essence with Chassidus. Same pattern every year….I give it about a week or two before the Chabad Rabbonim response comes out banning all this.. and then another week for the podcast…..
Lol but also very true
I am a psychiatrist in practice for almost 40 years and have tremendous respect for the author and the work she is doing. It is an evolving field and she is definitely more educated in it than most MD’s including myself. I have referred patients to her and am impressed by her thorough assessments and careful selection of who would be appropriate for this approach. All medications have risks and benefits. Nothing works for everyone. I am grateful for Ms. Kamman, and others, who are carefully trailblazing new ways to relieve suffering. I was saddened to see this portrayed as… Read more »
don’t do them. Don’t tell jews to do them.
Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent and professional response. Concur 100%. Excellent and courageous presentation, Ms. Kamman.
A treatise on why I want to do drugs because of me, and why I encourage others to do so because I need validation.
If you want to get high do it, don’t try and justify it with chassidus though.
Remember when Reb Zalman Shachter got high and became a fried out heretic?
If he couldn’t handle it what makes you think anyone else could?
Shtus!
He wasnt doing it under a doctor’s care.
it.
do compare. You act as if a doctor can prevent the bad things that come from it. News flash. They can’t!
Divi did a masterful job on this piece, its something I’ve been contemplating and you gave me clarity.
Only have the rebbes teachings, its imp for to have experts like ur self that can weave a path forward based on our mesora.
Divi is pushing mind altering highly addictive experimental filth. Wake up before its too late!!
This is Call of the Shofar 2.0!!
“the Rebbe’s message that when a tool, such as meditation, is available to alleviate the suffering of those with mental and emotional anguish, it is incumbent on mental health professionals to educate themselves to provide this tool in a kosher way.”.
The Rebbe never said anything of this sort. The Rebbe said something different altogether.
Luckily we have clear answers from the Rebbe against such usage.
This article just reeks of self-justification. It feels like any other person who uses recreational drugs and gives reasons why it’s “medicinal” or that it’s “bringing out your true identity”.
Shtetl or not, Chasidus is something incredible we have which helps us REALLY connect with Hashem and brings out our TRUE inner identity. Wouldn’t it be better if we didn’t have to resort to substances and ch”v use the Rebbe as an excuse for it?
Let’s not forget DRUGS ARE DRUGS….
I don’t understand some of the comments by readers. Why the ferocious attack? Psychedelics are becoming a first line treatment for psychiatric illness. Many hospitals are now using Ketimine to treat their patients and the scientific studies are clear that these treatments are extremely more effective than traditional medication. Are we going to keep our heads in the sand and let people suffer because we have archaic beliefs about these treatments? What is basis to oppose these treatments? Follow the science and the doctors who know this field. In my opinion, this article seems very balanced and nuanced. The letter… Read more »
Because we know many people whose lives have been destroyed and we don’t want any more to be destroyed from them
First-line treatment? They’re illegal in nearly every state.
They are currently only legally available as part of clinical studies.
https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/letters/default_cdo/aid/3190865/jewish/Should-I-Take-LSD-to-Attain-Spiritual-Heights.htm
1 – to all those who are screaming “don’t bring the Rebbe into it”, your disdain for this topic is rooted in thinking psychedelics are just some recreational hippie drug. For some, it is, and that is not it’s medicinal purpose. For many, it is a pathway to re-wiring a toxic brain. You don’t know what the Rebbe would have said but he certainly wouldn’t have shunned research and exploration of something that could alleviate suffering. 2 – as a person who has suffered from depression for over 30 years and has been on SSRI’s for 25 of those 30… Read more »
Huge Ty to Divi for your leadership on this issue. With knowledge, expertise and humility you continue to shepard people on a path of healing that is saving lives. Your work is invaluable. You have the gratitude and support of the countless, sometimes forgotten folks who are being helped/saved.
Avremi Gourarie
is damaging the brain even more
I applaud you Divi, Psilocybin has changed my life I am frum today because of it, it started me back on my path to god, most of my teenage years and 20s I was drinking myself to death, no one screaming about how psychedelics are so bad told me maybe I had a issue with drinking too much, as I was surrounded by people who think its normal to drink the way guys in crown heights and chabad drink. I have been sober for 2.5 years. I did psilocybin 3 times in the last 2.5 years, I say that anyone… Read more »
Or w/prescription?
Home-grown? If so, that is fraught w/ serious, dangerous issues, not just for the person who chose to home-grow it.
Bought from a local dealer of illegals? I personally rode in an ambulance to the?hospital w/a family member who got very ill doing mushrooms bought from “someone at shul.” No one wants this outcome, but it happens.
You should go from strength to strength in your recovery! Informed andf courageous response. G-d bless!
– Psychedelics are currently illegal and this falls into the requirements that shulachan aruch says we’re to follow the laws of the land. – I’ve also seen a letter saying that a therapist is healer and has the halachik power of doctors. -In a response about LSD ( a psychedelic) the Rebbe says that it’s not the proper way to achieve mystical inspiration. – Meditation is much more powerful in that one can pick up where they left off, touch base with their spiritual anytime without needing to excuse themselves from other life obligations. – if we are able to… Read more »
Good point.
Meditation is safer and probably overall more effective in the long term.
The Rebbe encouraged people to come up with kosher forms of meditation that could replace the Eastern-religion forms of meditation that were popular among Jews after the 60s. This does not mean he would approve of psychedelics today. The comparison in the article is apples/oranges.
Thank you for speaking some sense
There is some evidence these substances can help for depression and addiction. However, this doesn’t necessarily mean they should become commonly used for these conditions. First, many of the academic studies are carried out by researchers with a pro-psychedelic bias who themselves use psychedelics. If you look at many areas of academic study you’ll find the same thing–people create research that supports what they already believe. It doesn’t mean these substances don’t have promise, but skepticism is warranted. Second, psychedelics have many risks, including long-term or permanent negative side effects–panic attacks, personality changes, visual disturbances (HPPD), and even psychosis, mania… Read more »
Well said!!
I agree that much caution is warranted and it is people with biases who speak about it glowingly, without giving the downsides.
It may be used cautiously for those who most need. It shouldnt be the new trend here.
You are trying to make the “short path” supplant the “long- but-shorter path” of real work through meditating on Chasidus and Torah.
Now in doing that, you appear to be pushing us toward a path that is free of avodah.
Wasn’t this something that was tried in the past. I recommend the wonderful insightful book Channibis Chasidus which is very well researched and medically sound.
In Rejoice O Youth R’ Avigdor Miller mentions that a large part of Klal Yisroel’s survival over the years was us not jumping on every new thing as it appeared on the scene. Rather, our forefathers waited a bit for either the issues to be worked out, or the fad to be proven a scam so that we don’t get caught up in the nonsense of the world. (there may be times where we miss out on “getting in early” however it’s likely outweighed by all the times we don’t get burnt.) over the years each one of us have… Read more »
Chasidus has all the answers. This article needs to be removed.
Todays youth don’t understand the joy that can be had for following the old ways…stop micro dosing and start grating ur marror.
This article concerns people with severe mental illness and their families, maybe desperate to find some relief where psychiatric medicine has failed them and they haven’t been able to access the therapeutic benefits of chassidus yet.
Why does everyone keep quoting the Rebbe’s letters or talks on psychedelics??
He didn’t study psychedelics, he probably didn’t ever take any, and he hasn’t given good reasons for the things he said!
When one is making an argument, they’re supposed to quote experts, studies, examples, evidence etc.
Option 1: Take psychedelics 3 to 5 times Take the healing you need from it and move on with your life
Option 2: Get prescribed to anti depressants and anti anxiety medications that you need to take daily for the rest of your life. (And suffer the side effects of Weight Gain, Bloating, Fatigue etc.)
Unfortunately, lots of people here are so closed minded and can’t relate to the so many people suffering on a daily basis.
because HPPD won’t let you move on and your brain will never be the same, in a bad way.
the only option, observe the Torah