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Yeshivos Tell Summer Camps: Don’t Hire Our Bochurim

In a new move, Chabad Mesivtas in Israel are forbidding their bochurim to work as staff members in Chabad summer camps. Full Story

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Ridiculous!
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Ridiculous!

Who is going to run the camps? Also, they’re not suggesting it, they’re forcing boys to choose between extra tuition or doing absolutely nothing! I hope the parents protest this decision.

Berel
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Berel

not sure how much tuition is being paid, education is heavily subsidized in E’Y.

whether this or that, this is being done with good intentions

look around, we live in hard spiritual times

Read carefully
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Read carefully

It says mesivta bochurim. Here in the states mesivta bochurim don’t work in camps either. Usually it is zal bochurim

Who’s paying
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Who’s paying

Are the Mosdos paying the $3000-$5000 tuition for these camps ?

A Parents who pays
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A Parents who pays

Camps cost much more (much more) than yeshiva tuition.
I would rather give this holy money to the yeshiva, than waste it for camp. Let the Yeshiva take the kids and bochurim out on trips and adventure etc… No need to close the doors for over eight weeks. See the Rebbes talks on the matter.
Signed,
A Parent who pays tuition

independent bachur
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independent bachur

why is it that bachurim are only considered good if they are learning?! there are many people with many different talents. when a bachur is in yeshiva the only talents he is utilizing is the brain related talents. what about the bachur whose talents are organizing events, teaching, or running activities why can’t their talents be used? since when are yeshivos in charge of every decision a bachur makes. let the bachur make his own choices. a bachur is a lot more than just a learning machine he has a right to his own life too.

Heintike bochurim...
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Heintike bochurim...

Nisht vee amoleke teg

Since when are yeshivas in charge of every decisio
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Since when are yeshivas in charge of every decisio

That’s what the Rebbe said should be the system, there are even letters printed in igros that the Rebbe tells bochrim that they should only enroll in the next mossed with the reshus from his current hanholo

independent bachur
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independent bachur

in other words the free choice of a bachur was taken away by the rebbe? what if a bachur doesn’t want to follow that directive is he to be forced to follow the rebbes directive? at what point do we say the bachur can make his own decisions how to lead his life? if you take the choice away from bachurim when they should have a choice, in the long run they will make their own choice out of spite. this is a power grab by hanhala. as much as it is good to have a structure it should be… Read more »

So...do it.
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So...do it.

If you feel like you need to get out of this system, then what are you doing about it?

Translation ...
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Translation ...

Don’t go to camps and earn a little money. Instead, go to our Yeshivos Kayitz and pay us for doing so. Great, got it!

Did you read the end?
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Did you read the end?

They don’t get paid anyway

Yeshiva 24/7 - 365
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Yeshiva 24/7 - 365

The Lubavitcher Rebbe wanted Yeshivas and Chedurim open all year around, In E”Y and in the USA. No summer “vacation”. The Rebbe says that summer vacation is not just something which is not frum, it is something ווילדקייט wildness!
If you want to know where, what, when etc…. You can contact me by email: [email protected] Let’s have a civilized discussion.

Absolutely correct!
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Absolutely correct!

From EY I’m sure we all know what teens get up to when they have nothing to do for the summer. I don’t know too much about camps here, but Kids are the same worldwide. They need structure, everyone agrees on that. But WHO IS PAYING FOR YESHIVAS KAYETZ HERE? 20,000 shekels a month – before taxes!- is considered a good salary & while tuition is cheaper, from what I’ve been told camps are expensive. If the Yeshivos want their talmidim not to be working, provide summer learning & RECREATION for free. It’s a chutzpah to burden parents more than… Read more »

Good idea, but implemented badly
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Good idea, but implemented badly

I’m all for bochurim having a structured Seder with learning rather than being staff in camps; however, the Yeshivah Kayitz should then be a mandatory part of the Yeshivah’s Seder, like several Mesivtos in America do. What it sounds like is that these Israeli Yeshivah’s aren’t allowing boys to be staff in camp, but are only recommending Yeshivah Kayitz.

12
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12

i beleive the summer there is only two weks

Working for little or no pay
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Working for little or no pay

Very true point. The camp directors head days charge high tuition and get away with paying they’re staff pennies. My son got $300 in a mainstream lubavitch camp for being a counselor for 12 ten year olds for eight weeks this past summer… and then they camps say the parents who already pay high tuition should give big tips to make up for the low salaries…

Independent thinker
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Independent thinker

The justification yeshivot use for giving monetary knasim is that their students earn some money during the summer. That said, it’s only appropriate that these usually institutions cease giving money knasim to their students. They won’t.

A familiar symptom
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A familiar symptom

I am watching a growing pattern form among a new generation of well-meaning yet completely out-of-touch yungerliet who occupy positions of “mashpia”, magid shiur etc. These otherwise good people have dedicated their lives to improving yeshivos and mesivtas, yet lack any experience in the real world or even that of raising a family. They may mean well, but well-intended rookie mistakes can really hurt the future of the bochurim. This is just one symptom of them trying to solve one problem (hefkeirus in the summer) but being completely oblivious to the repercussions of their proposed solution. So a bochur whose… Read more »

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