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    Why No Kiddush Between 6 and 7?

    Johannesburg Rosh Yeshiva Rabbi Noam Wagner answers: What's the reason we don't make kiddush between 6 and 7 pm? Video

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    Aaron
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    Aaron

    BS”D Actually a very knowledgeable person in the laws of Kiddush HaChodesh from Crown Heights maintains that the proper time is from 5 minutes to 6 until 5 minutes to 7

    It is NOT originally from the Ari Zal
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    It is NOT originally from the Ari Zal

    It’s from the Maharil. I’ve never heard that the Ari Zal even mentions it. (And it seems from the Maharil that in his day the minhag was based on sho’os zmaniyos, not as we practice it today based on sho’os hashovos.)

    Rabbi Yehosua Korf once said
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    Rabbi Yehosua Korf once said

    Ten Shia Korf said many years ago realistically it’s 6:20 to 7:20 why, I don’t remember

    It's different in every place
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    It's different in every place

    In NYC it’s from 5:56 to 6:56 (and an hour later in summer). The cheshbon is simple: Either you accept whatever the clock says, in which case in the summer you’ll still keep 6 to 7, and if you want to make kiddush at 6:30 just set your clock half an hour ahead before Shabbos. Or you don’t accept such silly games. If you don’t accept that Mazal Maadim changes every summer just because the government decided to adopt DST, then how can you accept that it changed when the railroads created EST? Just because the railroads decided that NYC… Read more »

    Why
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    Why

    Why can we daven maariv the but not make kiddush? What is the difference

    Question
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    Question

    Isn’t it better to make kiddish earlier by bringing in shabbos earlier then waiting between 6-7.
    Isn’t that what its says

    To number 5
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    To number 5

    In those days people felt this inyon and it turned into a MINHAG so of course people will ask questions this place is different that place is 5:59 till 6:59 white wine bread
    A minhag is a minhag take it if your comunity does it leave it if they don’t that simple

    6:20-7:20 is in Pittsburgh, Galveston, Hamburg, Melbourne,
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    6:20-7:20 is in Pittsburgh, Galveston, Hamburg, Melbourne,
    Rdz
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    Rdz

    I asked rabbi groner about this. He said the Rebbe held six to seven o’clock. Looking in the footnotes in the alter Rebbe where it cites igros. The Rebbe says clearly in those letters that it is six to seven and not halachic hours.

    to #5
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    to #5

    I’s specifically for kiddush not Maariv eventhough we say most of the same words

    to number #9
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    to number #9

    the rebbe said clearly that it goes
    after (576 לקוטי שיחות חלק י”ז עמוד, ) which is basiclly the real time of that specific location and the amount of minuets it is off (which is calculated by the amount of degrees it is away from the beginning of its time zone) if you want to find out more i read a very good haaro on this subject in kovetz migdal ohr vol. 9 page 378 (its los angeles kovetz)

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    #9

    The Rebbe said it’s sho’os hashovos rather than sho’os zmaniyos, but he never said it’s whatever the clock happens to show as 6 and 7. If that were the case then one could just set ones clock before Shabbos to whatever one liked. That obviously cannot be.

    Nothing to do with red wine
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    Nothing to do with red wine

    It doesn’t say anywhere that “since Kiddush is usually on red wine, we don’t make Kiddush when it’s Mazal Maadim”. And then you have to make a pilpul that even white wine or Challah is also included.
    The Alter Rebbe writes (siman 271, 3) “there are those who are careful not to make Kiddush during the first hour of the night…. because the first hour is Mazal Maadim and the Samech-Mem rules over it”. This means that KIDDUSH should not be in a time associated with the Samech-Mem. No difference whether it’s on Challah, white wine or red wine!

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