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    Where has the Awe Gone?

    From the COLlive Inbox: Each year I have watched the Kapores go down and down. Frankly, it is often a carnival-like atmosphere, writes Miryam Elisheva Segal. Full Story

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    judging people?
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    judging people?

    what is this a judgamental article or something to reflect on it, it sound more like someone is judging everything around her

    The good old times
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    The good old times

    Of all the articles printed here this really is very accurate in describing our Matzav.

    Why is everything so commercialized?

    Go into 770. It is a flea market. The gaboiim are busy with much more important issues then retaining some respect for 770.

    counterpoint
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    counterpoint

    Miriam, I find beauty where you find your sadness. Someone once asked the Rebbe why 770 was always such a mess. Even today, it still has a distinct odor, not to mention the carnival atmosphere, that haphazard furniture, the amateur paint jobs, and general disarray. The Rebbe replied that 770 was the engine room of a ship. The engine room is always greasy and noisy. But it’s where the energy and action take place. When I see the carnival atmosphere at Kapores, I see that Chasidim have internalized the message that “HaMaseh Hu HaIkar”, over feelings of emotional spirituality. I… Read more »

    Moshe G.
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    Moshe G.

    For the last 2 years I switched to observing the Kaporos tradition with money.

    Mitzvah with Joy
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    Mitzvah with Joy

    When we do Mittzvos – we do it with Joy – I love to see my children’s eyes sparkle as we bring them the chickens – they are excited to do the mitzvah they learned all about.

    Great!
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    Great!

    Loved this article. I wish I would have read it before I did kaporos. I remember kaporos as a child, thirty years ago. Yes, it was more serious and more meaningful. Thanks.

    stop kvetching
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    stop kvetching

    please

    Erev Yom Kippur
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    Erev Yom Kippur

    and I have to read this drivel. What the heck!?

    Kaporos for me is nothing like you explained. Sorry.

    over reacting!
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    over reacting!

    as if kapporos is supposed to be a meaningful experience!
    i’m uncomfortable with it, and so where many great Rabbonim over the generations. Like the Rashba famously said (1, 395) “B”H i have rid Barcelona of this minhag”…see the uncensored version of Shulchan Aruch as well…just saying

    Gitty addressed to number 3
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    Gitty addressed to number 3

    to #3 – you think Hashem is smiling and the cruel treatment of animals? Chickens get stepped, picked up at an angle that pains them… I don’t believe G-d is smiling. I heard that story too. Except it addressed the children/teens of chabad as being in a glass factory which may be messy but beautiful pieces emerge, as in beautiful adults. If kaporos is also done by adults should it not have a different atmosphere? Who creates the tone? But I think kaporos is not like your story. I think it is like children who get overly hyper and the… Read more »

    Go where you feel inspired!
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    Go where you feel inspired!

    The torah teaches us to learn where we feel inspired. If kappores on eastern parkway brooklyn dont inspire you, then hop in the van and drive a bit to go to a place that does! Bring your children along to inspire them along the way! Simple, enjoy!

    A BT
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    A BT

    Its just a BT talkin to. BT’s

    do you work for PETA????
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    do you work for PETA????

    Screaming teenagers and everything else
    how very dramatic
    I’ve been to kaporos in Crown Heights too and the only screaming I heard was from the PETA people
    who have no respect for humans

    #3 you hit the spot
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    #3 you hit the spot

    i love the way u brought out the beauty of lubavitchers with out stinging the author

    First of all, Miriam, you are a beautiful writer.
    Guest
    First of all, Miriam, you are a beautiful writer.

    Second of all, you took me on a journey into your past. I really appreciated that too. Your words painted a truely vivid picture of der alter heim. So meaningful! Kapores will be quite different for me as your article can be called a Hachanoh shel Kaporos. I must mention though, that Crown Heights is a microcosm of the world. Wherever we are, we must fashion our eyes to see goodness and holiness. Everything we see is meant for us. We should continue to inspire and uplift, encourage and support all around us. A tough job, true, but we can… Read more »

    i agree with author
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    i agree with author

    I bring the chickens inside my home and do it in a “quieter” atmosphere with less distractions.

    Yakov Kirschenbaum
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    Yakov Kirschenbaum

    BSD Yasher koach for signing your name on your article, unlike the cowardly anonymous writers of all the brilliant “op-eds.” At the end of the day, kapporos is a community event, involving men, women and children. It’s only natural for the atmosphere you described to be present. Had your shliach taken you for your first kapporos to Crown Heights 16 years ago, it would’ve been the same thing. When I was there this past Sunday with my wife and kids, I was impressed at how excited everyone was to do this once-a-year mitzvah. The ice cream truck etc… only underscores… Read more »

    one problem only
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    one problem only

    the chickens are hungry, bring them some food to eat and some water to drinkbefore you do Kapporas. My brother brought home 9 chickens and my mother fed them some corn and water, they were starving and gobbled it all up. If they are hungry just feed them alittle. otherwise a G’mar chasima Tova to all Klal Yisrael. And may we daven for a peaceful year in crown Heights and all over the world too! The Rebbe once said what happens in crown heights reflects what happens all over the world . If there will be sholom here, there will… Read more »

    number 12...
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    number 12...

    wow, right before Y”K, and you write in such a way… I have no doubt that IY”H next time you check out Tanya, and you re-read the part that all people like you dread, Baalei Teshuva stand in a place no tzadik can stand”, you might smultaneously find your foot in your mouth… If not, please let me know so we can help you find someone to help put it there. The woman wrote from the heart, the least you can do is just say “thanks for the input,” and move

    gershon in vegas
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    gershon in vegas

    No matter what anyone else thinks, you deserve full credit for putting yourself “out there.” and signing your name. May you be inscribed for a gabencht yair!

    Eli Hasofer
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    Eli Hasofer

    Well said.

    TO #3

    Well written!

    I’m going to use that line the next time my wife tells me to clean up my office!

    G’mar Chasimah tovah to one and all!

    finally someone said it like it is
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    finally someone said it like it is

    Beautifully written.

    Nicely said
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    Nicely said

    I understand your sentiment. The atmosphere is nobody’s fault…. we can all choose to find a corner to meditate in regardless of what’s going on around us. But I do remember the day I used to really meditate on what was happening. Now I just do it to do the mitzvah and get home as soon as possible. Wish I had read this beforehand.

    Thh
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    Thh

    Dont be be judgementle

    you can have that same feeling now
    Guest
    you can have that same feeling now

    If you wake up early erev yom kippur morning to do kaparros

    Inspiring
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    Inspiring

    Thank you for reminding what it’s all about. I’m going to do kapores tonight and reading your article definitely helped me gaina perspective!

    G’mar Chasima Tova!

    25 is right
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    25 is right

    Early erev yk its solomn mood. U feel it.

    Go MES
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    Go MES

    Great article! Very inspiring!

    Been there done that
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    Been there done that

    I “shlugged” kaparos tonite on President street. All I saw was a community fulfilling one of our many symbolic minhagim. Simply that. Families together. Men holding chickens for wives and children. Some women (including myself) holding chickens. Parents reading the tefila with their children. Children witnessing what it means to shecht a chicken. I saw a beautiful scene. Maybe that other stuff was going on. If it was, I didn’t see it. Maybe that’s not what I went for so that’s not what I saw. I went with my family. It was a great bonding experience especially since most Prayer… Read more »

    Yossel
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    Yossel

    You didn’t mention all the rattling of boxes and bottles from Israeli bochurim collectiong for Hashem knows what “tzedakah.” Perhaps money for their airfare back home?

    Elchonon Hellinger
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    Elchonon Hellinger

    Kuddos for this op-ed, I agree 100%.. I recall doing kaporos as a kid, 20+ years ago that was an awe inspiring affair preparing for yom kipur… We awoke before dawn, I still recall kaporos when I was 5, 6, 7 etc…

    Its a serious affair, and im not a serious guy usually.

    On the other hand I understand the lightheartedness of it when city people who arent accustomed to birds.. What can I say..

    But I do kaporos with money most of the time, I rather the chickens were treated better

    its at the farm
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    its at the farm

    Meriam, the inspiration is at the farm. Go to the farm!

    How about tashlich? when iwaas growing up we used to walk for 3/4 hour it was inspiring. not i have to push to get withing tens of meter away of some murky water- if any is left.

    Lets move back to the farm now!!

    stop bringing negativity into the world we have enogh already
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    stop bringing negativity into the world we have enogh already

    people are always trying to find faults in others dont judge its erev yom kippur add in ahavas yisroel because that will bring moshach

    You are to late
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    You are to late

    Your strident protesting of the commercialization of a Mitzvah and the carnival atmosphere was already attacked by another “worthy G-d loving Jew”. Yoshke Yemach Shmoi also complained about the money changers and carnival like atmosphere by the temple. Whose values was he representing?

    Don’t try to bring in Goyesha values into Judaisim.

    to #34
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    to #34

    How old are you? Old enough to remember the bais hamikdash and what the atmosphere was? For sure it was more spiritual then the kapores that happened last night in Crown Heights.

    Gemar tov
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    Gemar tov

    I understand what you are saying, but once you are happy inside, your outlook will change, and you will see everything in a different light. The carnival atmosphere will be changed in your mind to a leibedig atmosphere where everyone was so overjoyed to do the mitzva the people almost broke into a dance. The screaming from overexcited kids and teenagers happy to do the mitzva and bit paranoid of what the chicken might decide do on them, and tell me which kids and teenagers will not rise to the occasion and be dramatic when the time calls for it,… Read more »

    shame
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    shame

    first of all, to #12: Small minds make small talk. well, lets just feel shame that we’re not where our ancestors were *sarcasm*. Just to say that to show you that the way you talk is really just not going to help. From one BT to another….you sound like a BT who doesnt know any better. Find that story about the Rebbe and the Klausenberger Rebbe. Its about how the Rebbe was so emphatic that one should not cause despair and despondency. Just because we are learning and trying to be frum, does not mean that we all know the… Read more »

    To #30
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    To #30

    If they were collecting for airfare BACK HOME, I think we’d all contribute gladly! Problem is, they are collecting to pay their way TO USA!…
    Gmar chasima tova

    Ditto
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    Ditto

    Yes to #29 We are still very much observing the Mitzva of Kaporos! There is No Problem to the chickens squawking or the kids squawking! Unless you want to do it with a fish or money… thats the proper noise and proper enviorement for Kaporos We are still in awe and there is nothing wrong with being happy and excited to do the Mitzva as we are doing nowadays even with an ice cream following the ritual Just make sure you dont mix the two together as its Basar B’cholov! A Gmar Chasima Tova and a Gut Gebentched Yahr!

    a point
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    a point

    #34 has a point, well worth taking. nobody needs despair and unhelpful comments. This article does not have the Rebbe’s ways, of going directly to the positive. Why is this article in your website? We want Chabad represented here.

    Beautiful 3, nice 5, true 6, pretty good 15
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    Beautiful 3, nice 5, true 6, pretty good 15

    3 counterpoint Miriam, I find beauty where you find your sadness. Someone once asked the Rebbe why 770 was always such a mess. Even today, it still has a distinct odor, not to mention the carnival atmosphere, that haphazard furniture, the amateur paint jobs, and general disarray. The Rebbe replied that 770 was the engine room of a ship. The engine room is always greasy and noisy. But it’s where the energy and action take place. When I see the carnival atmosphere at Kapores, I see that Chasidim have internalized the message that “HaMaseh Hu HaIkar”, over feelings of emotional… Read more »

    thank u
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    thank u

    a nice article to think about

    Number 3 Awesome!!
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    Number 3 Awesome!!

    Great article….Not to say that anyones doing anything wrong… This just reminds me to take the moment and make it more meaningful..

    Sam DeTroll
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    Sam DeTroll

    Just the opposite. Part of the power of doing Kaporos with a live chicken in this day and age when many do not have contact with living creatures is that it brings home the point that the fate that awaits the chicken should perhaps be our fate with Hashem’s forgiveness and mercy. Hard to experience that visceral realization by waiving around a personal check, aye?

    Sad that you are the only one in your family to still do Kaporos with chickens. Souns to me like a lack on conviction and deep thought.

    hey
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    hey

    just be happy

    Mechanech
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    Mechanech

    Well written and to the point!

    To all those criticising the author and the tone of the article:

    There is a big difference between performing a mitzvah/minhag with joy to beinga in a wild and prikas iol state. similarly, there is a difference between being depressed and taking something serious.

    We tend to confuse the two.

    Yes for the best of it.
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    Yes for the best of it.

    Inspiring article, please make sure to post it next year before Yom Hakadosh leAm kadosh. I know from very close the issue (I am a shochet with over 34 years of practice). The Kavanah is not more, and the chicken should be eaten at the Seuda Hamafseket but they are disposed. The individual should read, pose, and think about the words as speech, thought, and action are involve in the process. Then finally, this beautiful minhag should be taught by the Teachers in Yeshivoth (15 mn) with a breathing in of Yrat Shamaym and kavod Habriot. Today, in G-tt nomem,… Read more »

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