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What Has Become of Us?

Op-Ed by Shmuly Goldman: We are a wise people, and G-d fearing, and learned, and kind, and appreciative. So it’s so perplexing that when it comes to one specific area, suddenly we are lacking. Full Story

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Thank You!
September 18, 2021 8:04 pm

This is very necessary!

Nicely said
September 18, 2021 8:09 pm

To all of those still refusing the vaccine, you’re just straight up wrong. You’re killing people. Gd needs to bring moshiach before the uneducated and the selfish kill out humanity.

What a sick thing to say
Reply to  Nicely said
September 19, 2021 10:43 am

You are clearly watching too much fake news. Maybe walk outside and go around crown heights a little, you’ll see there are plenty of unvaccinated people and they’re not suddenly stopping dead everywhere

Most in CH who refuse the jab alr. had COVID
Reply to  Nicely said
September 19, 2021 11:08 am

When will those with natural immunity stop being ignored? We are not supposed to take unnecessary medicines. (Some would call doing so “hypochondria.”) Those who have had COVID have far superior immunity than those who have merely taken the shot(s). Studies prove this. But we knew this already, concerning other illnesses for which vaccines are given. Not to mention the fact that COVID has a far higher survival rate than many other maladies. No one is checking for a current TB test, or that everyone is up-to-date on their whooping cough, measles, or polio shots, before allowing entrance to museums… Read more »

Go doctors!!!
September 18, 2021 8:12 pm

Pro vaccine all the way!!! Thank you for your sacrifices and for all of your work!!!

Thank you
September 18, 2021 8:13 pm

I cannot express how much I agree with the ideas expressed here. People I know ignore their doctor and/or say degrading things. They will listen to foxnews, cnn, but not their doctor. It’s incredible to me. I am very pro vaccine. My doctor told.me to hold off giving it to my son for a certain reason. I did not like his reasoning, but I did as he suggested. I asked again recently and he said to get my son vaccinated now and I will.

BH BH
September 18, 2021 8:13 pm

May doctors continue to promote and distribute the vaccine, and to protect and support women (especially those in Texas). We need doctors now more than ever before. Thank Gd for creating them.

Yeah
Reply to  BH BH
September 19, 2021 11:06 am

We also need more doctors to help fight climate change!
They are just so wonderful!

Thank you 2
September 18, 2021 8:15 pm

People want to think they know better than their doctor. Amazing. They cite a doctor in Texas that does not know them and they will never meet, but won’t listen to their local doctor.

Boruch Hoffinger
Reply to  Thank you 2
September 19, 2021 1:55 pm

Unintelligent comment. The doctor far off may know well the contents of these ‘Shots,’ but our local family doctors may not.
Why investigate?
Dr. Reiner Feullmich says he’s 98% certain there’s a conspiracy.
Never heard of him?
Common.
There’s much ignorance around.
When The Rebbe wanted to inquire about ‘Shleimus HaAretz & security did he go to a rabbi? lieutenant, etc?
No, he went to experts.
I went to Dr. Zev Zelenko & he’s against the current RNA Shots.

Correction
September 18, 2021 8:17 pm

For all the sentences that begin with “we are….”, are we really?! Are you living in denial?
Second point: when people start to disagree with doctors or rabbis then something is wrong. Something the doctor or rabbi is doing that is wrong. Because if it would be right, no one would disagree. There is only 5% in every generation like dason and avirum. The rest believed in Moshe rabbanu. And to prove my point: no one would ever contradict with the Rebbe. We never questioned the Rebbes decisions. We believed in our Rebbe.

Boruch Hoffinger
Reply to  Correction
September 19, 2021 1:56 pm

Great!
The Rebbe said “Keep away from experimental drugs!”

Backwards
September 18, 2021 8:17 pm

The hypocrisy of the Orthodox Jew is endless. Voting Republican when the Torah preaches Democratic, liberal values? Being “pro-life” but refusing to get vaccinated and wear a mask? Teaching “love your neighbor” and hating on BLM? It’s all backwards. We’ve corrupted the Torah and the word of Gd.

Really, now?
Reply to  Backwards
September 18, 2021 10:24 pm

What part of “Democratic, liberal values” does the Torah preach, pray tell? The part where babies’ lives are valueless? The part where men can become women and vice versa? The part where they boo G-d at their conventions? The part where they boycott Israel for defending itself?

Or is it the part where only certain BLs matter – the few who are killed by cops, and not the far greater number who are killed by other Bs?

Bergerqueen
Reply to  Really, now?
September 19, 2021 6:46 am

First, Hashem values the life of the mother first – not the fetus she carries. Hashem created this world and the humanity that lives in it. The liberal values the Torah preaches are love, humility, and respect for others. Nothing you said in your comment shows the least bit of that. The overreaching ethics and values of the Torah as they are applied to society are the takeaway. Respect, privacy, and leaving this world better than when we came into it.

Uh-huh
Reply to  Bergerqueen
September 19, 2021 10:11 am

First, the vast majority of abortions aren’t to save the life of the mother. (And even if they are, learn a little halachah: for bnei Noach they’re still considered murder.) As for the “liberal values” of “love, humility, and respect for others,” it’s a sick joke to think that the modern Democrat party represent those in any way. Would that be the “love” of blaming everything on whitey? Or the “humility” of exempting themselves from the restrictions (such as masks) they place on everyone else? Or the “respect” they show by censoring any opinions they disagree with (even when said… Read more »

Baseless
Reply to  Backwards
September 18, 2021 10:34 pm

Torah does NOT tell us to be dedicated voters for Democrats. Nor Republicans. We evaluate each candidate individually. For example, when Democrat Letitia James (now NY AG) was our representative, she had a lot of support of the community. Same with Democrat Jesse Hamilton. But many Republicans deserve our support too.

Ummm
Reply to  Backwards
September 18, 2021 10:35 pm

Going to have to agree to disagree about some of this…

Ummm
Reply to  Backwards
September 18, 2021 10:37 pm

With you on getting vaccinated…not with you on voting democrat and saying abortion saves lives and speech is violence/silence is violence or whatever Dems are saying today

backwards you are being backwards
Reply to  Backwards
September 18, 2021 10:52 pm

Firstly, are you saying that that the only way to be a liberal is to to a democrat!? Liberalism is a view, and not a political party (besides the fact that saying that the Torah is liberal is a very daring statement). Secondly, A lot of the people who aren’t wearing a mask are either young, already had covid and have antibodies, or are already vaccinated. I’m not saying its okay but that probably the main reasons why people aren’t so strict on it (sidenote: the at risk people aren’t really out an about yet so there really isn’t that… Read more »

The young
Reply to  backwards you are being backwards
September 19, 2021 8:45 am

The young are the ones that are increasingly getting sick now. Florida is a great example of this. All the seniors got vaccinated in Florida. This is why they have a high vaccine rate. So why all the cases in Florida if they are vaccinated? All the young people that are not vaccinated.

Oh, and by the way
Reply to  Backwards
September 18, 2021 10:53 pm

You’re trying to claim that there’s something inconsistent about being pro-life yet against masks and the Wuhan flu “vaccine.” Well, how’s about we consider: abortion is a procedure designed to kill 100% of the unborn infants on whom it’s practiced (and there is a non-negligible number of the mothers who are also harmed or even killed – look up Kermit Gosnell, for an egregious example). Whereas the current “pandemic” has cost far less than even 1% of lives. Not to mention that masking has itself been found to cause problems, especially among children. If you had a smidgen of integrity,… Read more »

Bergerqueen
Reply to  Oh, and by the way
September 19, 2021 7:01 am

No one likes wearing masks but they keep people from spreading disease. Would you appreciate it if your doctor decided not to wear one because it was “his right” during surgery? People have been masking up for a long time under specific circumstances. These are specific circumstances. (Personally, I have loved the fact that I actually have not gotten sick with a cold since the pandemic.) I hate wearing masks but I do it for the greater good. Remember that? When Yiddin actually cared about community well-being? I do it for my mother and all the elderly, at-risk people who… Read more »

Finally someone smart on COL!
Reply to  Bergerqueen
September 19, 2021 9:01 am

Want to be best friends?

Wrong
Reply to  Bergerqueen
September 19, 2021 10:19 am

Certain kinds of masks, such as the ones used during surgery, keep people from spreading disease. The vast majority of the ones used now are nothing of the kind, and are there as a means of control. So your whole screed about “the greater good” and “community well-being” is a lot of hooey. As for abortion – really, you think “no one likes” it? What about, for example, Elizabeth Warren, who in an interview not long ago called it “about the functioning of our democracy” on a par with voting? Or with a group called Indecline, with at last count… Read more »

Masks are good for bacterial protection, NOT virus
Reply to  Bergerqueen
September 19, 2021 11:15 am

Wearing a mask to protect against COVID is like throwing marbles against a chain-link fence and thinking none of the marbles will make it through.

The virus is too small to be well blocked by most masks. Bacteria are larger, so masks afford some protection. But not against COVID, which is a virus!

Thank you
Reply to  Bergerqueen
September 26, 2021 10:32 pm

I appreciate your comments.

Love you all
Reply to  Backwards
September 19, 2021 1:55 am

The Torah is its own party,

Esquire, Canada
September 18, 2021 8:22 pm

Well said

Ask your Rofeh Yedid
September 18, 2021 8:24 pm

So important!! He will guide you.
Mine did and told us not to take the vaccine since we have high anti bodies.
At the same time – when you see with your own eyes you can’t ignore it!!
Yes we have seen the death and illness of covid!!
But what about if your loved one had a bad, life altering side affect from the vaccine? But when we mention it we are put down and told it’s misinformation!!! Hense the confusion we all have…

We have antibodies
Reply to  Ask your Rofeh Yedid
September 19, 2021 12:14 am

If you were sick ones with chickenpox in your childhood – you will have antibodies forever !!!
If you were sick with measles in your childhood- you will have antibodies forever
Why how is different?
At least check your antibodies before doing the vaccine…

Perhaps,. . .
Reply to  We have antibodies
September 19, 2021 8:47 am

Maybe ask your doctor what to do.

An actual doctor
Reply to  We have antibodies
September 19, 2021 11:11 am

That is actually not true. Zoster/shingles (the same virus as chickenpox) vaccine is indicated in all individuals 50 and older regardless of their prior history or antibody titer There are different forms of antibodies. IgM and IgG to name a few. They function in different roles and at different time points in the immune response. Additionally you can have low to no titers of antibodies depending on time of last exposure. There is still not enough research out regarding the significance and titers required regarding Covid antibodies to conferring direct immunity. Please go get vaccinated if you haven’t already regardless… Read more »

It’s not black or white
Reply to  Ask your Rofeh Yedid
September 19, 2021 1:14 am

That’s a very true point people can’t just assume ur a selfish person without knowing the reason if someone has high immunity then it’s understandable if they don’t get the vaccine at the same time there are people who get the vaccine who get COVID strong and people who don’t get it yet get it mild if u are worried or don’t want to have the worry of affecting others get it but don’t call people killers who don’t find out 1st

Tell the truth
Reply to  Ask your Rofeh Yedid
September 19, 2021 8:46 am

Indo not believe your doctor told you not to get the vaccine. I certainly do not believe you saying about the life altering effects of the vaccine.

Sounds like you have a good doctor!
Reply to  Ask your Rofeh Yedid
September 19, 2021 11:18 am

Is your doc in Crown Hts.?

I live here and would love to transfer to a doctor like yours.

this is only one aspect of a greater issue
September 18, 2021 8:26 pm

The author focuses on one unfortunate issue. His assessment and lament are well founded. However this problem is but a single symptom of a much greater issue. A huge segment, probably a majority, of our community has been successfully propagandized to a certain ideology. This allegiance is so powerful that it trumps even loyalty to Torah and chasidus. Indeed, in some circles it has replaced Torah and chasidus. It’s a serious threat. The author should be commended for calling out at least part of the problem.

So astute
Reply to  this is only one aspect of a greater issue
September 19, 2021 12:03 am

True observation

Help
Reply to  this is only one aspect of a greater issue
September 19, 2021 1:46 pm

Would you buy a packaged food item that you never saw before, without checking if it has a kosher certification, and possibly what the ingredients are for safety sake? Just because the shopkeeper said it’s ok? Or would you research it yourself before you put something strange and foreign in your body. THAT is what the hesitant people are doing, not just endangering themselves blindly

not exactly
Reply to  Help
September 19, 2021 9:00 pm

You trust the rav hamachshir and enjoy. You take no note of the process from the moment the product is made.
In fact, most of us, eat foods that are heavily processed and not healthy just because we trust “the system” and the USDA.
Suddenly with the covid vaccine, everyone needs to be super careful abiut what goes into their body.

Puhleeeze!

Um Hello
September 18, 2021 8:31 pm

Please don’t generalize what we are doing right and what we are lacking in. Each person is an individual and you have no idea what each people is really thinking and doing.
I’m sure many people who did show appreciation to their doctors are reading this as well.
You can suggest something, but Please don’t say what “we” do and don’t do.

May we all have a sweet healthy new Year!

Um no
Reply to  Um Hello
September 19, 2021 6:28 pm

It’s very fair to point out a prevailing issue in a community in this fashion.

This is a fair way to highlight something that may be contradictory from a community values perspective. He was respectful, non judgmental and brought the point out the way he saw it, without any specific blame, and, without downplaying the issue he noticed.

Don’t pick on the completely irrelevant presentation of the issue, which happened to be, in my opinion, in very good taste.

That is petty, and ignoring the point.

Yes
September 18, 2021 8:40 pm

I agree with every single word. Thank you for verbalizing this

What a joke!!
September 18, 2021 8:44 pm

This Op-Ed is a complete sham and totally missed the point. No one is not thanking the Drs etc. And giving them credit. But this is something where we don’t have long term testing the fences in this game keep changing daily the so called “expert’s” keep changing their mind and ppl have a right to question and not blindly dump something (which oh by the way there is something called natural immunity) in to their body..so cry me a river this is not a “frum problem” this is ppl seeing through the politics and garbage that our society has… Read more »

A Crown Heights family....
September 18, 2021 8:47 pm

Amen!!!

Huh?
September 18, 2021 9:00 pm

No one is saying different than the doctors in crown heights. What are you upset about? that we’re not followers of fauci?

100%
September 18, 2021 9:05 pm

Much too much non sense in this community

Thank you!
September 18, 2021 9:09 pm

Yes! Thank you, to our committed, selfless, doctors!!!! And nurses, and Hatzola members. May the Aibishter bentch you with tremendous brochos for all the tremendous, life saving, dedicated work you do!

Thank you!
September 18, 2021 9:18 pm

Great article

Doctors aren’t infallible.
September 18, 2021 9:19 pm

As someone who had to try several doctors to find one that was right for me/took my issues seriously, I also agree that we have to make our own judgements about our health. Right now, doctors are pushing vaccines no matter what, and to do it RIGHT NOW. Some people have natural immunity. Some people don’t want to take a shot that was developed so quickly and hasn’t been available for a full year yet. When people say “just trust the doctors”, some people don’t believe in blind trust. If the past year has taught many of us one thing,… Read more »

Follow the money
Reply to  Doctors aren’t infallible.
September 19, 2021 11:22 am

Docs are pressured (and sometimes paid) to push the COVID shots. They are also threatened with ostracizing and far worse.

Did I miss something..?
September 18, 2021 9:27 pm

What exactly is this written in reference/response to..?
Or was it just a catchy (?) way to write a thank you article?

Dr Rosen is....
September 18, 2021 9:30 pm

The most caring
professional
loving
knowledgeable
Doctor out there.
The community is lucky and privileged to have him amongst us.

Dr. Rosen
Reply to  Dr Rosen is....
September 18, 2021 11:41 pm

Is a friend.

Shocking
Reply to  Dr Rosen is....
September 19, 2021 4:40 am

That as of the time I am posting this reply there are 10 likes and 5 dislikes! How is that possible?5 dislikes!?!? Dr Rosen has been my dr for 32 years! He is the best and should have 100% of our communities support.

Yasher Koach
September 18, 2021 9:32 pm

Such articulate and valid points. Thank you for a beautiful and positive article.

Who paid for this op-ed? Big Pharma?
September 18, 2021 9:33 pm

Between the powerful big pharma, Biden and the Democrats, and fake news media, there is no one not influenced by their propaganda. Everyone s suspect. Including the author of this op-ed.

Vaccine works
Reply to  Who paid for this op-ed? Big Pharma?
September 18, 2021 10:39 pm

Most passing away RL from virus are the unvaccinated. We should encourage elders in our community to get it, no?

Totally not true
Reply to  Vaccine works
September 19, 2021 6:41 am

Most passing away are the vaccinated not the unvaccinated. Most in crown hts have natural immunity after having covid. Many were pressured to get the vaccine after getting over covid and died from the vaccine. Those who took the vaccine who hadnt had covid were discovered to be more likely to get covid that unvaccinated with natural immunity according to an israeli study. Mass vaccination has led to variants as the vaccine is just the spike protein, where as natural immunity lasts years. The number of those injured by the vaccine has been hidden The rebbe said to speak to… Read more »

I knew it
Reply to  Who paid for this op-ed? Big Pharma?
September 19, 2021 6:34 pm

Now that big pharma managed to infiltrate all the governments in the world, the vast majority of scientists and doctors, they have finally figured out where its really at. COLLIVE. I knew it the whole time.

Contact info
September 18, 2021 9:34 pm

Hi, what is Shmuly Goldman’s contact Info? As a physician I would like to personally thank him for this letter.

Beautifully put
September 18, 2021 9:43 pm

Thank you for writing this.
I join you in praising and trusting our doctors.

Thank-you
September 18, 2021 9:43 pm

I for one thank you. For some reason I thought it was going to be about female tzniut so I was so pleased to read this. I mix with a large cross section of society and the only group to consistently spread misinformation and anti-science rhetoric is my lubavitch brothers and sisters. The only group to consistently denigrate the hard working, intelligent nurses, doctors and scientists are my lubavitch brothers and sisters. It’s not shocking to me given the ongoing anti intellectualism spreading in the community but it’s disappointing.

are u kidding??
Reply to  Thank-you
September 18, 2021 10:40 pm

walk over to any non jewish right winger in texas kentucky etc and then rethink the hateful message you wrote. you should honestly be ashamed

Huh
Reply to  Thank-you
September 19, 2021 10:48 am

This doesn’t even sound like a lubavitcher wrote it.

Thank-you
Reply to  Huh
September 24, 2021 1:21 am

Should I throw in a few “Ad Mosai”s and” Moshiach Now” in there? Would I sound more lubavitch then? It’s called an education. Try it.

All of us besides you
September 18, 2021 9:46 pm

So you’re generalizing & saying we’re all doing it wrong.

You’re pointing fingers at an entire Comunity & group of tens of thousands Of Lubavitchers saying we’ve all done it wrong, So please specify exactly what we ALL did wrong.

& once that’s done ask yourself if you’ve not done all the same things ALL of us did.

Captain literal
Reply to  All of us besides you
September 19, 2021 6:44 pm

Thank you for being a champion for wrongful generalizations. While we are at it, i just want to highlight this rule for people in other groups – such as race, other religions and ethnicity. It’s important that we don’t generalize and paint all people with a broad brush. I think it would be more accurate to re-write this article, articulating that it’s just a disproportionate amount of community member’s who behave this way. Oh and he did specify what he felt this disproportionate number of community members he felt are guilty of did wrong. It was disrespecting healthcare workers in… Read more »

Wow
September 18, 2021 10:07 pm

Beautifully written. Thank you for standing up and doing what is right (and needed!)

Influencers
September 18, 2021 10:29 pm

Didn’t you know once you reach 10k followers on social media you automatically get a phd. You are then able to conduct independent research and publish your findings to your loyal followers.

Shmuly you couldn’t of said it any better
September 18, 2021 10:37 pm

I too give special Hakoras Hatov to Doctor Eli Rosen He literally saved my sons life when he was a few weeks old. He is always there for any member of our family He is a angel sent from Hashem We all should be grateful the We have in our midst. He is a True Rofeh Yedid And wish him Arichas Yomim Veshanim Tovim Have a great Yom Tov and thank you Shmuly for writing this op-Ed and Good YomTov Doctor Rosen and his wonderful family P.S. Although I am now retired and spend much time in Florida I make… Read more »

Disagree
September 18, 2021 10:39 pm

Actually us who aren’t “listening” to doctors don’t trust them in other areas too because we are healthy! We don’t vaccinate our kid’s so they actually don’t have illnesses!!!! They don’t have adhd like everyone else we heal ourselves through healthy eating and natural ways that have been for years.Also why do you care about our medical decision. If the vaccine is effective take it and don’t worry about us. Happens to be. all the people in my community sick with covid are the vaccinated masked ones

Be respectful
Reply to  Disagree
September 19, 2021 1:19 am

If ur worried then once vaccinated u shouldn’t worry about others u can encourage but that’s about it they have there reason as week as u do

Maybe the last amalek
September 18, 2021 10:41 pm

The yetzer hara works best by not outright denying something, but sowing doubt and confusion. As you mentioned, we have a Rebbe, a Torah and Rabbonim to guide us. Something people may not realize is that following your doctor was never scientific anyway (sure a doctor can be wrong, and even a doctor that is also a friend as the Rebbe advises) but the true refuah comes from the bitachoin that this doctor is the messenger of hashem to heal you. This means, even if they prescribe or advise something which is scientifically incorrect, hashem’s brochois and healing will come… Read more »

Live and let live
September 18, 2021 10:43 pm

Stop trying to force your belief on others. You want to vaccinate please do, and let others who don’t want to choose for themselves. You want to wear a mask? Please do. It’s supposed to protect you and others remember? Live and let live. Period.

Dr. Rosen
September 18, 2021 10:56 pm

What is Dr. Rosen’s current opinion re vaccines? In particular for pregnant women and/or those who have already had covid?
I haven’t seen any articles from Dr. Rosen and the Gedilla society lately re covid updates and instructions.

Other opinions
September 19, 2021 12:04 am

Believe it or not, there are many doctors who advising not to take the vaccine. So I’m not sure what all the generalizing is about. You want to listen to dr Rosen, beautiful. There are those of us who follow other doctors who follow the same category of rofeh yedid and advise differently and we are entitled to follow their opinions!

Agreed
Reply to  Other opinions
September 19, 2021 1:30 am

Thank you! My doctor has advised against the vaccine, for a number of reasons. Not every doctor is a slave to the system, some actually do form their own opinions.

Fully agree!!
Reply to  Other opinions
September 19, 2021 2:28 am

On the mark !!

Doctor should be a yedid
Reply to  Other opinions
September 19, 2021 5:25 am

Doctor should be a rofeh yedid not a random doctor you saw on Facebook saying you shouldn’t take the vaccine. I just hope you first choose your rofeh yedid and then listen to what he has to say and not the other way around

"They"
Reply to  Other opinions
September 19, 2021 6:52 pm

So these other doctors are part of the “they” the author was mentioning.

Members in the community would all be thrilled if you could name these doctors, whom you’ve heard of before 2020, and you consider your rofeh yedid in other medical issues, whom have advised on a general basis, not to take the vaccine.

A couple of points
September 19, 2021 12:12 am

The author should either speak for himself or make it clear to whom he is referring. By saying “we” he is besmirching an entire group of people, most of whom have no connection with anything he is talking about. Secondly, it is possible to be grateful for one’s doctor while simultaneously taking a “wait and see” approach to the vaccine. The covid virus and the impact of the vaccines is playing out in real time. Doctors can only base their guidance on the information that they have available, but this is constantly changing and has not been established. Certainly there… Read more »

Calling us Ungrateful?
Reply to  A couple of points
September 19, 2021 5:04 am

Who says I’m ungrateful to my Dr, just because I have an opinion about what I should put into my body or not? I greatly appreciate my Drs and Rabbis for all they’ve helped myself and my family with! They’re full of amazing knowledge. Still, they are human, and don’t always see the entire picture, with all due respect. My kids are vaccinated, but Covid vaxx is different. So new, so much unknown. Why not wait and see? Why jump in to something irreversible? The media/fda/fauci, etc have scared us into believing that the only “cure” is prevention, via the… Read more »

He is respectfully highlighting a prevailing issue
Reply to  A couple of points
September 19, 2021 6:57 pm

He isn’t calling anyone particular, he is highlighting an issue that is seemingly contradictory to the values in our community.

Ultimately you will make a decision how you see fit, however if you take his argument into serious consideration, you may realize how this is in fact contradictory to the values our community pride ourselves in. And this was the hope the author had by writing this article.

Second opinion
September 19, 2021 12:22 am

The rebbe would Always advise to get a second opinion. Many of us have done that and received advice contrary to dr Rosen’s. That doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate him or trust him.

What is all about? Can someone rewrite it ?
September 19, 2021 12:23 am

Did I miss anything?
Sorry I don’t understand what’s the point of the op? Can you op rewrite it with a point?
Is this a special thank you or against anti -vax?
Why on HighHoliday?

I’m thankful for our doctors, Hatzolah members, never heard any statement from any doctor, and my body is my and only my responsibility – antibodies are high in my family case and I’m not against vaccines- I’m just waiting longer to see side effects that might not be good for my health!

Good Yom Tov- let’s live Peacefully&Healthy!

I didn’t go to sem in Isreal cause of the vaccine
September 19, 2021 12:55 am

Why are you deciding that every doctor and medical professional is pro vax?I asked two medical professionals. One my physician assistant who passionately told me not to vaccinate, and my doctor who told me that she doesn’t know what the vaccine can cause in the future. I and many girls I know this year backed out of their dream seminaries in Isreal in order not to get vaccinated. Now that’s a clear proof of Lubavitchers who would give up anything to listen to their “Rofeh Yidid”

You did the right thing
Reply to  I didn’t go to sem in Isreal cause of the vaccine
September 19, 2021 9:35 am

No one should be forced to risk their health to go to seminary. Long term effects of covid vaccine arent known and its too late when the info comes out, for those who are already vaccinated

Vaccines success
September 19, 2021 1:09 am

The author of the above is biased and wrong. The vaccines have proven themselves to be highly successful in killing and maiming otherwise healthy people ( at the moment the vaccine death count is at 45000). NOONE KNOWS what the long term affects are of these vaccines, and no doctor can or are willing to assure their patient of their well-being after this treatment. People who are not taking it are not anti Vaxer’s, nor conspiracy theorists. They are people who don’t want to risk their lives with an unknown, untested vaccine, that has a horrendous history of death and… Read more »

Why would you say the author is biased?
Reply to  Vaccines success
September 19, 2021 7:05 pm

Where is this inside scoop about these 45,000 vaccine deaths? I’d love to get this only accurate info available. (I mean who would you trust to confirm this for you anyway?) Every medical treatment that you get has risks, no doctor will ever assure you it’s 100% going to work for you. We have been presented with a situation for the first time in our lifetimes, and we have to be smart in how we go about managing this situation. The author is asking that we use our go too tools, following our respected medical professionals, following the guidance of… Read more »

Vaccines success
September 19, 2021 1:20 am

Since Israel is being used as the model county with the most vaccinated people; they have the highest rate – 86% of hospitalized vaccinated people, as well as deaths of vaccinated people. Whilst those “terrible” unvaccinated are fine.

"they" stats
Reply to  Vaccines success
September 19, 2021 7:10 pm

Your stats are completely uncontextualized. 86% of people who are vaccinated are hospitalized? or is it 86% of people in the hospital are vaccinated? Is that disproportionate to the % of the general public that is vaccinated? And where did you get this 86% number anyway?

Data out of Israel is unequivocal that those still unvaccinated in Israel are far more likely to be hospitalized after contracting covid. There isn’t one study out of israel that attempts to disprove this point.

THANK YOU DOCTOR
September 19, 2021 1:27 am

A big THANK YOU to Dr. Zelenko for telling the truth about the vaccine, and for having saved so many lives by treating them with your safe (FDA approved medications
It is interesting to note not one of his patients had to be coerced, threatened or bribed with big bucks to take his prescribed medications ……

Good one!
Reply to  THANK YOU DOCTOR
September 19, 2021 4:45 am

Exactly! Those who know of Dr Zelenkos protocol to treat all levels and variants of Covid, are amongst the luckiest people on earth! If the FDA pushed the Zelenko protocol as they did the vaccine, this would be a DIFFERENT WORLD. I for one, saw how it saved my husbands and child’s life, (at home, yet with Oxygen). I’m deeply saddened that Drs are bad mouthing ivermectin and hydroxy chloroquine, when it saved so many people! (Along with a protocol of many vitamins). Those who use the protocol are blessed. Who needs a Covid vaccine when the Zelenko protocol can… Read more »

Please watch
Reply to  THANK YOU DOCTOR
September 19, 2021 8:51 am

Tell me this man is normal in any way

https://twitter.com/MarcusBlimi/status/1422259474367238144?s=20

After you see this video you understand how this man is a sick psycho who needs to be cancelled forever

Just curious
September 19, 2021 2:33 am

Did the author ever mention anything about taking, or not taking a vaccine?
Are some people out there having a hard time looking themselves in the mirror to see an area where we can all improve?

Rofe yedid
September 19, 2021 3:20 am

Rofe yedid, is a doctor that is your friend/acquaintance and knows your personal medical history and conditions
And will give you personal advice based on that

Rofe yedid is not a doctor that will advice a whole community the same thing without knowing each person and their medical history….

Very true
Reply to  Rofe yedid
September 19, 2021 7:17 pm

Doctors in our community have been unanimous in advising the majority of their patients, after being consulted on a personal basis, to take the vaccine.

This is where the confusion the author mentions is rooted. Somehow, while the Doctors are saying one thing about how they are advising there patients, our community “experts” are still hesitant, and insistent on spreading their “expertise” and hesitancy to the masses. Instead of encouraging other to check with their personal doctor, regarding there particular situation.

Not a medical issue
September 19, 2021 3:37 am

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if this comment gets published, but here goes: the vaccine ceased to be a medical issue long ago. It is completely political at this point and is no longer subject (sorry) to a “rofeh yedid“.

When people start to demand that you show your papers and build concentration camps (Australia), you need to think twice about what you are doing.

When the world’s most vaccinated countries have the world’s highest levels of Covid, you need to start wondering if you have been told the truth.

Question?
September 19, 2021 8:19 am

Can someone please show me which CH Rov said that we need to vaccinate?
You are supposed to listen to your Daas Torah.

So wrong
September 19, 2021 8:20 am

1. Not interested in Daas Torah? Which Crown Heights Das Torah told us to vaccinate?
2. We “suddenly know better” the ones who suddenly know better are the leftists and the crazy president, who is forcing an unhealthy RISKY vaccination upon us. We know better because of the doctors who are opening up about the TRUTH.
who are you? Don’t put this on us

Thank you doctors!!
September 19, 2021 9:07 am

This vaccine is saving lives. This entire community needs to stop it with the selfishness and get vaccinated. It’s so embarrassing and a huge chillul Hashem that so many of us are turning our back on science and humanity.

Narishkite
September 19, 2021 9:33 am

The hospitals in Eretz Yisroel were promised huge sums of money under the conditions they were limited by what info they released. The Jews in the Yeveksia were also used, until they came to kill them too.
It’s a lot of chutzpah to be self righteous and I guess you take it upon yourself since you opened your mouth to pay my children, all of whom took the vaccine, for any damage the completely unproven, untested vaccines may do.
Do you know how many doctors kill people with harmful drugs because that’s all they know?

Chochom V’Novon
September 19, 2021 9:41 am

Maybe this great nation you speak of, is right about this as well?
Maybe instead of shaming them into submission you stop and think if they have made so many smart decisions they may be into something

He is appealing to the values that make us great
Reply to  Chochom V’Novon
September 19, 2021 7:22 pm

What has made us great was following those values, which we seem to be disregarding in this instance. Maybe we need to recalibrate and go back to what we are used to doing.

Who are you??
September 19, 2021 10:04 am

Who are you to tell anyone what the right thing to do is? It’s one thing to go take it yourself, but for anyone to tell anyone what they should be doing with their bodies can go fly a kite. Just because people are not giving in to a doctor that is giving into the government doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with him. In fact someone who just gives their kids injections after it’s still in testing faze, should evaluate who he is as a parent and why he feels he can put his child in unnecessary danger. Don’t ever… Read more »

He didn't mention anything about taking the vaccin
Reply to  Who are you??
September 19, 2021 7:25 pm

He just asked that you do ask your rofeh yedid, and advise others to do the same, instead of spreading your ungrounded opinion on what others should put in their bodies.

Just curious
September 19, 2021 10:26 am

Based off of what does one decide to be team Zelenko vs. team vaccine? Assuming you are not a scientist or medical professional

Rofeh Yedid
Reply to  Just curious
September 19, 2021 7:27 pm

You need to honestly ask yourself if you would have ever asked this doctor any medical advice prior to covid, and see if you possibly are seeking out the doctor based on what you want to hear, instead of seeking out a doctor you are and were always most comfortable with.

If you're vaccinated...
September 19, 2021 10:50 am

Then why do you care wether or not I am? Aren’t you protected?

Inviting more dissension
September 19, 2021 10:56 am

I know more people that died after taking the vaccine and don’t know one person in our community—not one——who was unvaccinated, got Corona, and sailed through it with the Zelenko protocol. That is a fact. Please show me your facts and proof — after Yom Kippur — that we don’t respect or value our doctors. By the way, my mashpia, a seventh generation chabadnik, didn’t take the vaccine.

Again natural immunity
September 19, 2021 11:03 am

Natural immunity is 27x better then vaccine artificial immunity, yet it seems to be something which doctors often forget about. Except Dr zelenko he’s got it right since the beginning.

28 - yechi
Reply to  Again natural immunity
September 19, 2021 7:31 pm

One more then 27, that’s the number that gives you the protection of doing the Rebbes horoa to follow your rofeh yedid. (and not seek out a doctor whom agrees with your fears)

Chelm
September 19, 2021 1:30 pm

“There is much to be said in favor of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch of the ignorance of the community.”
-Oscar Wilde

Bravo
September 19, 2021 7:33 pm

While there shouldn’t be anything controversial about what you wrote, unfortunately, as noted by the reactions, there clearly is.

Don’t be discouraged, keep highlighting these points in the respectful and sensitive manner in which you have, and i guess we can use the same methodology you highlighted, we do our part, and g-d does the rest.

Kudos!
September 19, 2021 9:12 pm

Much needed article. Thank you for always talking sense Shmuly.

Our whole family vaccinated plus boosters
September 20, 2021 6:18 am

However, I’d like to point out something. By doctors orders I’m taking a certain medicine that says “Warning…this causes birth defects and fetal death.” This wasn’t always the case as when it first came out many decades ago it was hailed for its therapeutic breakthrough. Only many years later after much research, and tens of thousands of lawsuits and billions in damages, was this same medicine recycled for another use with the above warning stated in bold red letters. Why are the Rebbes words invoked when it comes to vaccines? Anyone over there driven around Eretz Yisroel and seen how… Read more »

Love this article
September 24, 2021 1:11 pm

While I disagree with his wide-sweeping generalizations attacking the public, I think we can all agree with his final point – to show gratitude to our doctors.

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