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This Past Shabbos in Crown Heights…

From the COLlive inbox: How can we expect Hatzalah to give up their own safety and place their family in jeopardy to treat those who aren't taking precautions simply because they can't fathom not davening with a minyan? Full Story

Ourdoor minyan in Crown Heights, last week * Illustration photo

Today’s Levayas in Crown Heights

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100%
March 29, 2020 4:04 pm

Sickening

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March 29, 2020 4:05 pm

2 weeks ago

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March 29, 2020 4:07 pm

before the letter from the rabonim re: minyonim
and all the mispalelim maintained social distance

ITS STILL GOING ON
March 29, 2020 4:17 pm

THERE IS A MINYAN THAT IS BEING MADE EVERY DAY NEAR MY HOUSE AND NO ONE WANTS TO LISTEN !!!
THEY HAVE A DIN OF A רוצחים !!!!!!!

Call the police!
Reply to  ITS STILL GOING ON
March 29, 2020 4:39 pm

Rav Ashkenazi stated unequivocally that people who do not obey the law are murderers and should be reported. If you don’t care about your neighbors, Surely you care about your own family? It isn’t meisera, it’s pikuach nefesh. If you don’t report You are just as guilty.

Correction
Reply to  Call the police!
March 29, 2020 5:22 pm

I think it was actually r’yeruslavsky

Heter
March 29, 2020 4:17 pm

Not that I agree…I’ve heard that the Rabbanim told multiple people out side minyanim are fine…

it's a lie
Reply to  Heter
March 29, 2020 4:26 pm

anyone that told you that is lying to justify their own behavior.
the rabbonim clearly said that it is osur to make outside minyanim or
any kind. it is not allowed. anyone that does daven at a minyan is davening to his own ego…and going against the torah.

Excuse me!
Reply to  it's a lie
March 29, 2020 5:35 pm

Just saying do u evee go out on your porch??? Well i know of blocks that have minyanim while evryone on their own porch! That is totally allowed under all circumstances. Tyvm

A concern resident
March 29, 2020 4:21 pm

well written.
Please have rachmanus on those hatzalah member who have young children and put their lives in danger just because some people are careless and being chosid shote. Have rachmanus on these hatzalah members and don’t do these foolish things

social distance
March 29, 2020 4:23 pm

One of the rabbonim verified that if the mispalilaim maintain social distance of six feet there is no issue.

Publicize the name
Reply to  social distance
March 29, 2020 4:49 pm

The Rabbonim all publicly signed a Psak stating otherwise, publicize the name of these so called Rabbonim. Otherwise as i believe there are no such Rabbonim willing to go on record stating that.

post should scare us all into compliance
March 29, 2020 4:25 pm

the post just before this one says it all:

Today’s Levayas in Crown Heights

i think that should scare us all into compliance….

One Hashem
March 29, 2020 4:25 pm

The same gd who told you to daven with a minyan, told you to listen to rabbonim.

small point
March 29, 2020 4:28 pm

It is estimated that after someone recovers from the virus they are immune for at least 2 years. (Dr. Fauci has been saying this on many tv interviews). that said, it is very possible that the people davening with the minyan are in fact, people who recovered from the virus. that would actually make a lot of sense as nobody really thinks that the quarantining will end with everybody at once. it’ll be incremental with the people who were infected and recovered being the first to not distance. Because crown height was one of America’s first badly hit areas, plus… Read more »

Enough already
Reply to  small point
March 29, 2020 5:03 pm

Enough with the chidushim and little assumptions. No minyanim means means no minyanim as simple as that

common
Reply to  small point
March 29, 2020 5:06 pm

really? do you really think that every single person by these pop-up minyanim are people who already recovered from the virus? that’s profoundly nuts! furthermore, until you test negative you are still possibly shedding the virus and are thus capable of infecting others. you are part of the problem of the mageifa that has been literally killing us

no one special
Reply to  small point
March 29, 2020 5:21 pm

Q: Can people who recover from COVID-19 be infected again?

A: The immune response to COVID-19 is not yet understood. Patients with MERS-CoV infection are unlikely to be re-infected shortly after they recover, but it is not yet known whether similar immune protection will be observed for patients with COVID-19.

Additionally...
Reply to  no one special
March 29, 2020 5:47 pm

Feeling better does not mean the virus completely passed.. quote from Bloomberg news: “Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks.” Also, even in the unlikely case that someone is certain that they are no longer contagious, there is a matter of being a role model to others… our saves have enacted huge portions of our Halacha are based on the sole precept of “what if someone sees and learns from it”… anyone who learned Gemara knows that.… Read more »

Heter?
March 29, 2020 4:32 pm

There is no heter. You ‘heard’ that the Rabonim said this? From who, someone who wants to believe it?

People have to stop thinking that they are invincible. Only Gd is invincible, and he is showing it.

100%
March 29, 2020 4:39 pm

There are 2 types of Jews: One cares about a minyan, the other cares about Hashem! (and Hashem’s kinderlach)

Berel
Reply to  100%
March 29, 2020 5:03 pm

Wow! Well said. Priceless!

Not immune
March 29, 2020 4:57 pm

Even if someone who recovers from the virus is immune, all that means is he/she will not get sick again. But if they go out among people they can easily pick up the virus again and then transmit it to others without knowing.

Time to be machmir
March 29, 2020 4:58 pm

All those who are trying to find a heter To make a minyon.even if its 2 meters away from each other, I samll wind can transfer the virus. Even if most studies show, and the chance is slim, even if most ppl had the virus. Maybe someone didn’t get it yet. When it comes to pikuach nefesh. And ahavas yisrael. Guys, this is the time and place to make chumros. More then chometz on pesach. Ppl go crazy on chumros all the time. Pikuach nefesh is doche HAKOL!!!! We know the consequences now, no one can say I didn’t realize.… Read more »

Dan l'chaf zechus
March 29, 2020 5:06 pm

Before you decide that your neighbor is transgressing the rabonnim, at least ask the rabonnim if the specific thing they’re doing is wrong.

For example, I called the rav about a minyan I was asked to join by standing alone on my porch. Your article does not seem in line with the Rav’s response.

And the guys with “towels” around their necks: how do you know they weren’t scarves?!? It was cold and rainy on Shabbos!

Thank you so much for speaking up!!!
Reply to  Dan l'chaf zechus
March 29, 2020 5:45 pm

I feel like evryone is talking while they dont know what they are speaking about!! I know plenty of blocks which have miyanim with each guy on his own porch. Make sure you know exactly what the rabbonim said and exactly what the people are doing before you call them a rodeif!! And say they are going against the rabbonim!!

Just a thought...
March 29, 2020 5:09 pm

If hilchos shabbos dont apply when saving a life, as we know HATZALA DRIVES ON SHABBOS…. and SHABBOS is DOIRISA, then shouldnt we see the need to give up minyan for the meantime. And ofcourse that should be hard and painful, but needs to be done…. with hope to be back to regular life with all of us!!!

Take a deep breath
March 29, 2020 5:09 pm

many of us had the illness and got better already. Many more were exposed and never got sick. AFter being symptom free for 3 days (or quarantined for 2 weeks), these people are not putting anybody in danger. Look at Dr. Rosen’s latest updates. He said those that got better should go outside and get some fresh air. With so many cases in CH right after Purim, almost all of us were exposed to the virus already in shul, school, mivtzoyim, parties, etc. By the time those in charge started calling for social distancing, the game was over. Now, we… Read more »

3 days?
Reply to  Take a deep breath
March 29, 2020 5:46 pm

You can be a silent carrier for 2 weeks!

Fact check
Reply to  3 days?
March 29, 2020 8:50 pm

2 weeks before getting sick. Once you get sick, you’re not so silent anymore… One who became sick and is 3 days post symptoms can leave quarantine. Additionally, one who was exposed should quarantine for 2 weeks in case they are a silent carrier. Afterwards, they can leave quarantine. This is what the CDC said, and our Drs are following that, and our rabbonim said to listen.

Minaynim on their own porcges
March 29, 2020 5:14 pm

If was confirmed with many rabonim and dr.s that minyanim that everyone stays on their own porch is okay and allowed

If u say u can’t have a minyan on your own porches then that means nobody can ever go on their porches

Exactly!
Reply to  Minaynim on their own porcges
March 29, 2020 5:47 pm

People, get your facts straight!

Please read and take to heart.
March 29, 2020 5:23 pm

And in my humble opinion, it’s important for us nowadays, to be careful to be melamed zchus on everyone and not criticize and call people names. Please — don’t judge anyone, it’s not good for anyone!! May the Aibishter have rachmanus on all of his children — and let us show Him that we unequivocally love one another!! Please!

This is the ultimate truth!
Reply to  Please read and take to heart.
March 29, 2020 5:37 pm

You are right about everything you wrote in the article but more correct and right is to overcome ALL that bring us to judge or chvsh look negatively on another Jew even if our logic is sound and our view point the absolute truth don’t use your truth as a dagger to kill or harm another Jew, that is the ultimate and most intricate test in all of this! Ahavas chinom, it’s so hard so tricky, we’ve been working on it for over 2000 years

Put thins into context
March 29, 2020 5:32 pm

If people are on each of their porches and there is plenty of place in between them, then what’s the problem? it’s 100% safe. If, however, people are making a minyan outside and they are not careful about 6 feet in between them that’s not OK and it’s dangerous. I am not saying that people should make minyanim now but if people are doing it in a safe way with plenty of space in between please don’t be מוציא לעז on them.

I thought Jewish people had higher IQ
March 29, 2020 5:34 pm

What happened to the idea that Jewish people have a much higher IQ, that we are so intelligent? I am disappointed at the level of stupidity that some Jews are showing by ignoring not only the Beis Din (which means they are not really religious) but also ignoring the law (which means they are criminals).

Everyone, Please be more careful!
March 29, 2020 5:36 pm

It’s not worth it. Please just stay home. I don’t live in CH, and where I live it looks like we are flattening the curve, but all the shuls are closed, there are no minyanim. We need to think about others, not just ourselves. If you are immune, Baruch Hashem you recovered, but please volunteer to help those are sick. Also, I agree, this is a big chilul Hashem. We are better than this. this is not going to bring Moshiach sooner. Please everyone! It is serious! You are not immune because you haven’t got it yet! Don’t you see… Read more »

Yossel
March 29, 2020 6:00 pm

For all those who say that a Rov said it’s OK to daven outside, please publish a copy of that psak! Otherwise we need to go by the latest letter from the Bais Din, which says outside Minyanim are Ossur!

Minyonim, groups during COVID-19
March 29, 2020 6:19 pm

There are a few reasons why EVERYONE has to listen to the stay at home order. 1 Because you could possibly KILL somebody or yourself. 2 Because the government says so and if it doesn’t violate Torah, we NEED to listen. 3 Even if you have already had COVID 19 and think your immune, others don’t know and will follow your example. 4 The media will see what your doing and you will be front page news. Think about how DANGEROUS that would be in this volatile situation. If you don’t listen, you have blood on your hands. This is… Read more »

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