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“They All Must Go”

Anonymous OP-ED: "Something is just not working in Crown Heights. We are beset by problems of children going off the derech, of adults who are barely hanging on physically as well as spiritually, of rising crime, and of a general atmosphere of decline." Full Article

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50 is short n to the point, thaks for the up beat truth!!
May 31, 2009 9:47 am

the author seems very offended by your positive spin!

moshiach tzeiten
May 26, 2009 2:22 pm

it sounds like the times of moshiach
hatzlacha rabah!

to #50
May 26, 2009 12:40 pm

hi, u dont no what ur talking about

From The Author
May 26, 2009 6:44 am

Sorry to say, but 48 (which is a repost of 37) and 49 both look like the ravings of any one of a number of slightly off center people who hang around the Kosel – or Times Square. Regardless of there being chaos as Moshiach approaches, it is still our responsibility to do what we can to stop machloikes between Yidden. So, 50, we are the luckiest generation in that our reward for trying our best to light a candle in the midst of this darkness will indeed be the greatest ever – but we still have to light that… Read more »

49 spot on! ==========we'r the luckiest generation!!!
May 26, 2009 5:43 am

thanks for the bigger pic! your right! unless judaism and chasidus is a fraud!
all this darkness chutzpo and lack of leadership is exactly the description of the last days before geoola!

KBBALIST: silver linning! signs predicted re "ikvos meshichecha!"
May 26, 2009 4:48 am

u guys neeeed some desperate PERSPECTIVE!

ALL THIS “LEADERLESSNESS” IS PREDICTED 2000 YRS AGO

TAKE IT EASY! IT MEANS THAT THE REST OF THE PREDICTIONS ARE ALSO 100%

HANG ON, (AND SHAPE UP, BEFORE IT HAPPENS) THERE NEVER EVR EVER BE ANOTHER CHANCE TO BE READY… NOW IS YOUR LAST CHANCE!

chil!! folks! this is part of a bigger plan!! (a really good plan!)
May 26, 2009 4:38 am

35 MAMISH KFIRA!!!! the rebbeh ain’t as irresponsible as u accuse!! the rebbeh never made an error, as the moshe of our generation, if moshe was subject to human error, it follows that the accuracy of the Torah is also, in question. learn a bit re “vayaminu bahashem, U’VeMOSHEH avdo” what that intails! you will discover that if yidishkeit is real!! then This “leaderless period” is almost over, to be ended by the fulfillment of the Rebbe’s promises! so please tone down your g-dless hashkofo, …your faithless scheptisism or ignorance in the Rebbe’s statements re the age we live in,… Read more »

an educated person says
May 25, 2009 2:49 pm

it says in pirkei avos which we are reading now that you can talk all day but the most important is the action sooooo everybody stop talking look at your self and look what you can do to change crown heights[ you might think what you do doesnt change the situation, because im only one person, but if every body takes a hachlata than we could change the situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DISPOSABLE SOCIETY
May 25, 2009 8:51 am

UNFORTUNATEL, WE LIVE IN A DISPOSABLE SOCIETY, ITS SO MUCH EASIER TO BUY PAPER PLATES AND CHUCK IT IN THE GARBAGE THAN ACTUALLY HAVE TO CLEAN IT IN A SINK OR A DISHWASHER, I THINK IT’S A SIMILAR THING WITH THE BEIS-DIN, CROWN HEIGHTS, ETC. IT’S SO EASY TO SAY “CHUCK THEM OUT AND START ANEW”, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A VALID APPROACH ACCORDING TO YIDDISHKEIT, I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO DO TESHUVA, MAYBE THE TSHUVA THAT THE REBBE SAID WE DID WAS THE TSHUVA KLOLI (general), BUT MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A TSHUVA… Read more »

#39 CHECK THIS OUT RE
May 25, 2009 7:56 am

https://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=3562

I THINK ITS VERY EYE OPENING (THE LINK THAT IS)

kabolas ohl'nik
May 25, 2009 7:14 am

The problem won’t be fixed with any of the above and making 2, 3, 4 different organizations, counsels, panels, batei din, etc. will have no effect and will only widen the conflict. The Rebbe’s backyard is burning and we’re all sitting quietly by as we all go to save our own rearends. Nobody has the guts to take the bull by the horns! There’s only 1 way, the way it was always done in Lubavitch and done as well within the official Lubavitch organization and mosdos, like it or not, and it’s difficult sometime’s, but here we see the genius… Read more »

#9- what about-
May 25, 2009 3:07 am

First you sound like you are ignoring the obvious. Its great your daughter loves the shiurim. It shows you did a great job with her. How long will that last when she sees the way the kids dress and the way they behave? Your daughter may not – please G-d ever be part of ,or included in the problems but , you must see that our kids there and out of town are slipping and chas ve shalom falling and we all must take reponsibility , the embarressment to the Rebbe and ourselves is great – when we dicuss these… Read more »

Good people will always be good and bad people will always be bad
May 25, 2009 2:49 am

This is soooooooo wrong, study, learn, read what the Rebbe OBM wrote.

to number 28
May 24, 2009 10:02 pm

Rabbi Halpern is invlolved with the kashrus in london

From the Author
May 24, 2009 8:57 pm

OK if you really need a name call me Moishe. Then everyone can decide whether I am Moishe Rabbeinu, Moishe Siechmach or Moishe Kapoyer or all 3…:))) Seriously: #27, not sure what you mean but I agree fully that positions should be democratically elected after a transition period where volunteers set up new guidelines and new structures. Again not sure what you mean but I am only suggesting that the present long serving elected rov be given a sabbatical as indeed his status goes back to Gimmel Tammuz but he has been so maligned that he needs a break and… Read more »

from 35
May 24, 2009 6:13 pm

I in no way meant that the Rebbe OBM made a mistake, only that we have the obligation to “find a teacher”. I realize that many of you believe in the return of the Rebbe, but this to me is too much like another story that took place over 2000 years ago. I just don’t understand. I think that we are spending too much time looking backwards instead of looking ahead and securing a future for not just those of us who live in CH but for all Chabad and Yidden alike.

Rabonim shlita
May 24, 2009 5:36 pm

Koovod harabonim should be respected

35 MAMISH KFIRA!!!! the rebbeh ain't as irresponsible as u accuse!!
May 24, 2009 5:28 pm

the rebbeh never made an error, as the moshe of our generation, if moshe was subject to human error, it follows that the accuracy of the Torah is also, in question. learn a bit re “vayaminu bahashem, U’VeMOSHEH avdo” what that intails! you will discover that if yidishkeit is real!! then This “leaderless period” is almost over, to be ended by the fulfillment of the Rebbe’s promises! so please tone down your g-dless hashkofo, …your faithless scheptisism or ignorance in the Rebbe’s statements re the age we live in, and begin lighting up your “gloomy” perspective and dark depressive mindset… Read more »

yeridas hadoros is a sign of geula's immenants!
May 24, 2009 5:16 pm
Reality
May 24, 2009 4:35 pm

The only thing that will help Crown Heights at this time is to find a teacher, we need a person in leadership who can educate and communicate and bring us back together again. I read “Is this what the Rebbe wants?” We don’t know, unfortunately, the Rebbe OBM did not choose anyone to follow in his footsteps, he did not mention or choose a teacher, a leader for our community. It is time that we come together and realize that unless we come together, realize that the Rebbe OBM, who was a great tzaddik, is not going to raise from… Read more »

agree
May 24, 2009 4:33 pm

Wow,
this is almost exactely what I suggested ,pple started looking at me like crazy,but I don’t care, I am not blind I can see this terrible situation
I think that the change is more simple than ppl think
it should start working the new BD and then , to designate the new candidats, and ,win the next elections. The new BD should work as the other BD does not exist and not to enter in any discussion. Ths example, will ,little by little turn ppl, to the new BD.

Rabbi Scwei
May 24, 2009 3:11 pm

The terrible machlokos started in full force with the crazy referendum to elect rabbi Schwei. As one who did vote for him I was fooled like most of the community that he was there to assist rabbi Osdoba. Nothing was further from the truth. The whole plan was to destroy rabbi Osdoba. This is the whole truth. Now we must rid ourseves of this so we can all live bsholom

Shomrim Member
May 24, 2009 2:47 pm

I’m a young man who wanted to make a difference and volunteer to help when ever, where ever (any time any place) every Jew no matter who. So I joined Shomrim. In Shomrim I found a group (or they found me) of people just like me, who want to help, who want to make a difference. This is just who we are (we don’t do what we do because we are in a group that does these thing, it’s because we do thing that we found (came together) and formed a group. The sad thing is, I never did anything… Read more »

From A Woman/Ridiculous!
May 24, 2009 2:43 pm

HELLOOOOOOOO! Last night on Dov Hikind’s radio show he mentioned the elections in CH and also added that interestingly that in the neighborhoods of Boro Park and Flatbush there are no such elections. It would be nice to know what they do to function as a community.!! Because CH is not a community! It is mainly a group of special interests that jockey for positions of power. The same old same old “the rich get richer and the poor don’t receive what they need.” There were a few people who used to wake up every morning and say who are… Read more »

Yes, we can!
May 24, 2009 2:21 pm

A profesional positive and realistic outlook on the situation.

From Somebody Who
May 24, 2009 2:13 pm
The Rebbes Rabonim?
May 24, 2009 1:38 pm

This week the Hamodia Magazine had a beautiful article about Rabbi Halpern of England . I was very impressed at how much he does for his community. He gets involved in the Chinuch ,shalom Bais ,and many other areas. I don’t think he is involved in” KASHRUS” It seems that all our Rabbonim care about is the Kashrus of FOOD not the Kashrus of our Chinuch. What have they done about it? If I were them I would say “We as Rbbonim Failed”let younger Rabbonim who are more in touch with reality take our place. Every child that goes off… Read more »

from scratch
May 24, 2009 1:19 pm

I applaud the author for his good will. When the rebbe called for electing Rabbonim, he said he wanted democratic style elections. So that it should be the will of the community, and ppl will never be able to say I don’t want him, what will you say to the Rebbe. It is clear from the Rebbes answers and directives for the first election that the Rebbe saw this coming, and for this reason he wanted elections. You must understand whenever there is a din torah there will be one side not happy. Burying the rov is doing it to… Read more »

fantasy
May 24, 2009 1:08 pm

this fantasy you describe, is not only highly impractical. its a recipe for total anarchy, even worse than exists now

"anonymous"
May 24, 2009 1:02 pm

Mr. “anonymous” can accomplish nothing! You want to accomplish anything at all, put a name and a person behind your suggestions, articles, advice, etc.

resulting in 2 councils
May 24, 2009 1:00 pm

Maybe such a split would force changes along the lines I propose as people would get totally fed up with the status quo and/or the chaos of 2 councils would mean a total collapse that would be the impetus for total change. And there is indeed a middle way if we get a council that can work together – that said council becomes the ones who listen to the people and make the necessary changes, maybe not as radical as I propose but radical enough to prevent the chilul Hashem of court cases, the people slipping through etc and letting… Read more »

here we go again!
May 24, 2009 12:57 pm

Why did you leave? If you care about us all so much, get back here. Put your money where your mouth is. You’d have more credibility if you actually lived here & suffered like the rest of us.

to #15
May 24, 2009 12:46 pm

Sadly, the very use of almost shows that for one young person who apparently wanted to make a change, the system did NOT work.

Pie in the sky? Our very survival as Yidden, let alone as Chassidim, in 5769 against all the odds is bigger pie in the sky than anything discussed here!

Politics are not all bad
May 24, 2009 12:45 pm

Politics are the way things get done. They become bad when they involve personal attacks. I daven every day in 770 and in general it is a very warm place where people know each other in spite of its size and where people help each other. There are problems with certain radical elements but they are very small and getting smaller. Most people are somewhere near the center on the issues that we disagree about and are certainly capable of getting together. Today’s election may help, with a new start at the council inspiring the Rabbonim to work things out… Read more »

to #17 - my ID
May 24, 2009 12:43 pm

Please respect my desire for anonymity. I dislike personal publicity, am not doing this to get attention, and my name means little to most people in the community in any case.

When and if we have more of a discussion forum I will identify myself as necessary. I am not afraid of anything, I have no vested interests, and rest assured that I am not planning to arrive in CH in a tank and pull off a coup :).

For now all I need to say is that I am a former CH resident living outside the US.

to #11 from the author
May 24, 2009 12:37 pm

Yes, you are 100% right and thank you for your support as well as your bringing it to the next level. The first step is indeed to set the criteria for the leadership before selecting the leadership itself. So I would still propose starting with volunteers who are more of a cleanup crew and they would be the ones who would start working on the immediate problems while setting up the criteria for referendum or some other form of community wide decision.

to #12 from #7 who is the author
May 24, 2009 12:34 pm

Squaring the circle is exactly what the Rebbe did when he told us not to abandon Crown Heights (let alone so many of the other things he told us and the Frierdiker Rebbe’s making it clear that “amerike is nit anderish”!

Your ID
May 24, 2009 12:30 pm

please ID your self

Seeing your neighbors - to #9
May 24, 2009 12:30 pm

Dont you see who your neighbors are? Dont you see what is going on in the neighbors home , the one that shares your backyard wall with? The rabbi shocked, answers him, I live hear for 20 years and I never noticed anything, you are here for 1 day and you already see …….!?! ————— Ah, but what I see is not what you think I see. Judging from your comments compared to those of others, I think you mistakenly seized upon my mentioning visiting shluchim being less than impressed with CH these days, which may not be the case… Read more »

pie in the sky
May 24, 2009 12:30 pm

I think the key is to utilize the system in place to engender reform. The fact that the majority of today’s candidates have never been involved in community politics before is an encouraging sign. We need to encourage youth, i.e. 30 somethings, to get involved in the process. Kudos to candidates Bialestok and Tamir (almost) for their participation. There is no mechanism by which to carry out your suggestion; therefore, we must take advantage of the existing system in conjunction with a grassroots effort to elect leadership we can count on.

NO NEED TO FRET
May 24, 2009 12:25 pm

MOSHIACH IS COMING

GET EXCITED!

Crown Heights
May 24, 2009 12:20 pm

The problems cited are not unigue to Crown Heights and this week Parsha indicated that every Jewish person is important. It’s nothing new that young people especially have a need to find themselves—and fitting into an exact mold of what they should be doing is too much to expect. We have to respect individuality within the framework of proper observance. Maybe we can find experts to help but—basically the only way to change someone is for that person to want to—Crown Heights is a microcosm of any community although because the Rebbi is so strongly felt there -could set an… Read more »

to 7
May 24, 2009 12:19 pm

you are living in a dream.

it is impossible to square the circle.

t s
May 24, 2009 12:12 pm

assuredly the devil is in the details, but it would be great to start from scratch. there’s the chicken /egg problem – who decides who decides what? if some or many decide to do x, what makes their decision binding on those who don’t agree? You first have to establish “community” – what constitutes the community? what exactly is a “crown heights jewish comunity resident”? (gender, age, social status, length and type of residency) who decides this? Then you have to establish its laws of government – what is their scope of power and authority? how does one become a… Read more »

ex-crownheightser
May 24, 2009 12:07 pm

Impressive and well thought, but who would have the power to oust the present leadership? You make it sound easy, but we know that in reality the chances of this happening are practically nil!!

moroh shchorah!
May 24, 2009 12:06 pm

Wow! never heard of the saying tracht gut vet zain gut? I didnt know a chosid can be so negative…… im an out of towner who sent my daugther to CH. She is thrilled , with shiurim every day, farbrengens going on all the time…she really has grown so much in all aspects. I have also brought in groups from out of town with all of them having such an uplifting experience in 770 and the shechuna. And no im not left or right. You remind me of the story told of someone who came to town on a visit… Read more »

we need new principals in our school
May 24, 2009 12:01 pm

problem of tznius starts with kids getting sent out (kicked out for good ) of school for no reason

and for the schools who sent out letters to the parents not to send there kid(s) back for the upcoming year should send an apology letter to those parents for what they did .

by sending those letters to the parents will make this really bad like drugs and……..

its time for new fresh start in our schools .

to 5
May 24, 2009 11:53 am

CH is not a big enough community for a split like that. And is that what the Rebbe wants? The only split should be between the 95% of us who want things to go right and the loud 5% who thrive on the present machloikes. A properly run community would allow for differences of opinion, such as legitimate differences of practice regarding Yechi, to be expressed within an overall framework and atmosphere of unity. It would allow for multiple minyanim and multiple shuls and multiple events (not at the same time) with multiple rules so long as the standards were… Read more »

wow!
May 24, 2009 11:46 am

this is genius!

Split
May 24, 2009 11:44 am

Split Everything It Works In Williabsbug And in Boro park
2 or 3 or 4 Beth din ect..

mendy
May 24, 2009 11:32 am

I agree we need to clean up fast

From the author
May 24, 2009 11:31 am

I submitted this as an outsider, knowing that we need to discuss who is needed to carry this out as well as how exactly to do it. So, it is up to all of us to make sure that it does not become “another stupid op-ed”. And while comment 1 is very harsh, it may indeed be that the present “leadership” needs to be marginalized and removed as forcibly as possible without resorting to mesira and illegal tactics as has sadly been the case in the past. I would be happy to set up an anonymous forum in conjunction with… Read more »

Martin luther King
May 24, 2009 11:13 am

great vision… any ideas who could carry this through? Or is this just another stupid op-ed from which no one will benefit…

halevai
May 24, 2009 10:59 am

I have trouble believing such a “house cleaning” would ever happen.

I promise you that the *leadership* would rather burn down the community than to give up their *control*

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