By COLlive reporter
Tznius is apparently taught by Her Majesty herself.
According to a report, Queen Elizabeth II has requested that her grandson’s wife, the Duchess of Cambridge, dress is a manner befitting her status as the wife of one heir to the throne and the mother of another.
“The Duchess will deploy a couture wardrobe of day dresses with lower hemlines than she has previously favored,” Britain’s Mail on Sunday newspaper reported in connection with her upcoming trip to Australia.
The longer skirt wardrobe “is part of a subtle but significant regal makeover supported by the Queen,” it was reported.
“This forms part of a deliberate move to shift the Duchess’s image from High Street to high end, timeless Royal elegance – without losing her freshness and informality,” the paper said.
In his book “Beautiful Within,” Rabbi Sholom B. Wineberg explains that the Jewish concept of modesty, also known as tznius, is based on the verse of the Torah “The entire glory of the king’s daughter is within.”
“The concept of tznius, generally translated as “modesty,” is much, much more than that,” he says. “Tznius also incorporates Kedushah and Taharah, sanctity and purity. Tznius expects, demands and enables the Jewish woman to embark on an inward directed quest for purity and holiness – a quest that finds its natural extension in all aspects of a Jewish woman’s thought, speech and deed.”
The Rebbe once commented that the Frierdiker Rebbe’s statement in 1941 that “America is no different” has a special significance for Jewish women, “to a certain extent even more than for men.”
“Women, in general, have a tendency to follow the latest “styles.” Quite often the latest fashion and style may have a deleterious influence on tznius,” the Rebbe once wrote in a letter.
wonder how the princess Kate will take this?
Nice the royal family is showing some sense of values. Doesn’t mean we need to learn from them, as if our Yiddishkeit needs their stamp of approval. But if it makes Tznius the in thing for those fashion forward and don’t have Yiddishe pride or a mind of their own, then let them follow the princess. Not like it will necessarily be what we consider an appropriate length.
Just because a person is not Jewish does not mean that they do not have anything to offer to the world. It also does not mean that they are less worthy; they are just of a different religion. Plain and simple.
howe shameful is that, the queen has to teach the proster girls and women how to dress tzinius
Okay firstly, to some people the queen is a very respectable person who is not only modest but also tznis. If people look up to her and dress right because of her is that a crime?”On no you are only dressing right bc of a queen!” I think that the Rebbe would be happy just to see a young girl dressing tznis no matter who inspired her!
This is crazy! We have sichos of the Rebbe. What do we need the queen for!?
Finally someone with some sense out there.
Totally agree!
I don’t see why everyone is so against modern fashion. There is so much tznius fashion out there.
I am always with the latest fashion in a tzniusdige way!
That is what is so nice. you can be tzniusnig and highly fashionable!
I find it appaling how everyone is against number six. just weeks ago we had this uproar abouot call of the shofar. Thankfully 99 percent were heavily against this cult.
Now we see this goysishkeit creeping in from other sources, and most people seem to have no problem with it.
What? is this a two way game? we just pick and choose?
The first page of Shulchan Aruch states “הוי עז כנמר קל קנשר רץ כצבי גבור כארי לעשות רצון אביך שבשמים…״ if we’re allowed to learn from a בהמה טמאה we’re certainly allowed to learn from a goy. (this was the rebbes response to Shach when he ridiculed the rebbe for saying we should take a lesson from a certain non Jew)
Totally agree. you couldn’t have said it better.
Modesty is practiced in most religions regardless. So I see no reason to be impress.
we’re not necessarily learning what to do from goyim. it’s interesting though to note that even ppl who don’t have a torah see value in modesty. which brings out the truth of tznius even more
Numer 47 I really agree with u
Modesty shaming is what that is called.
Why are you asking those type of questions to non-Jews?
all who have to flaunt their legs or arms and think they have to be TROPHYS should think again.
One has MUCH MORE to show that which is in their head than in their body.
EVEN THE NON JEWS WILL INCLUDES HOLINESS BY THE WAY KATE AND WIIIAM ARE REALLY JEWS FROM THERE PARENTS,SO IN A WAY THE QUEEN IS DIRECTING THEM,ONCE A YID,ALWAYS REMAIN A YID,,I SEE ON JEWS RESPECT TZINUS,YOU BE SURPRISE,I ONCE SAW A YOUNG WOMAN IN MANHATTAN,DRESS VERY REFINE LOOK,SHE WASN’T JEWISH,I ASK HER IF SHE ALWAYS DRESS THIS WAY,SO I POINTED IT OUT HER REFINE LOOK,NOT TO LONG AGO A GIRL FROM THE PENN AMISH DUTCH COUNTRY WAS IN NY FOR A MONTH,I THROUGHT SHE WAS A FRUM WOMAN,SHE TOOK THE 7 LAWS OF NOACH CARD,AND SHE THANKS ME,PEOPLE SEE… Read more »
So why not from her Majesty?
I have a son in shidduchim & every time a Crown Heights girl is suggested we find out that her knees aren’t covered when standing, sitting or walking! And that’s just skirts.
And her résumé says “careful with tznius”???? Careful with whose tznius?
So yes we can learn from the queen that a bas melech has dignity & refinement. That short skirts don’t reflect that. That tight body clinging attire is for women of “ill repute”.
Not a bas Melech.
to # 9
you’re absolutely right about the fact that things we would never wear a year ago we will wear when it comes into style, but thats human nature. when you start seeing things all around you all the time, and on the person that always dressed well, it starts kicking in and you start liking it.
just want to point out that we shouldn’t confuse modesty with tznius. the queen is always modest and regal, even when her neck is open or her sleeves graze her elbows. the duchess is always modest, regal AND super fashionable, even with low hemlines and short sleeves. so do they dress modestly, yes, are they tznius, no.
Enough with the queen. Foregn sources!
We have a shulchan aruch and chasidus!
These comments are just hilarious!
It’s always one sided.
It’s nice to see a positive article about tznius!
I think six is right. The nonsense of learning from goyim is the type of stuff i heard from my friend who went to the cots shabbaton.
He brings all this type of stuff and advice from goyishe sources.
I don’t mean to be mean or anything, but really: What is our main goal in these times? Is it to look best in fashion? To wear skirts most in style? Many of you claim that you dress fashionably but still tzniusly, but as an out-of-towner, I have visited crown heights a few times, and every time I am there I am shocked by what many women and girls there are wearing!!!! Seriously, I wanted to yell out the window “Why are you wearing such short skirts?!?! If the Rebbe were here now bgashmius, would you dress like this?!” Really,… Read more »
Maybe she can get everyone to wear skirts which cover their knees? No one will call her a Satmar fanatic.
GOOOO BRITIAN!!!
Full of lies! Bet the queen never said any such thing but a good lesson anyways!
This article I just saw may shed some light for you: Controlling Things That Are Beyond Our Control Parshas Tetzaveh By Rabbi Mordechai Lipskier In current society, we’re often exposed to things we’d rather not see, such as crime, immodesty and immorality. What should we do when this happens? What should we tell our children when we pass an explicit billboard or parents treating their children nastily? Party Lessons Reb Zalman Deitsch, a”h, of Crown Heights, was a successful businessman and pioneer in mivtzah mezuzah (the Rebbe’s campaign to ensure every Jewish home and office have a kosher mezuzah). He… Read more »
to all those wondering what this has to do with COTS, I was responding to the writer of the comment, identified here as Cots!
so true isnt that by every article. what made the queen do this?
We are not learning from non-Jews. We learn from shulchan aruch. We are marveling at how even non-Jews are promoted time-hallowed Jewish ideals. In simple terms, one way or another the world itself will come to know that Torah is emes. You on the other hand seem to have a lot to learn.
i understand that this is very impressive for a queen… but guys what about CH. most of the people in CH dress crazy. i mean if u live in CH u’ll see what i mean…
Been reading all these comments. Get a grip people. Its a article about the royal family, the queen encouraging her family to be tsnius. Plain, straightforward article, no more, no less. Thats great, leave it at that. Why the need for a whole big tumult,debate? Why must so many people in this community fight over every stupid little thing.get a life people. I
Those who do not want tobe tznius will not get inspired when showing them an unzereh role model because she is not whom they want to emulate but when even a non Jew demands modesty, something which we have been preaching forever so no connection to cots, but here we can hope to hear. I the queen demands modesty how much more so shall we demand it from ourselves
As I older and hopefully wiser I get,fashion means less and less to me.I enjoy wearing beautiful clothes but it’s important to note that the entire idea of fashion is to make you want to buy more clothes.You are being manipulated.
my class mate loves LONDON and so do i
i couldnt agree with number 6 more. He is so on target.
This whole type of talk is a direct outcome of call of the shofar.
Its too bad they didnt catch it earlier.
Should she be?
its so nice you are white washing her majesty. she still is not for the state of israel
I disagree with you. I have had my palette done and love incorporating latest fashion as long as I know it looks right on me and is of course Tznius! Have a bit of fun in your life, it’s pretty inevitable that when you look back at old pictures of yourself you will groan anyway!
your comment makes no sense
the person said mini skirts are trashy
what do you mean “speak for yourself?”
they weren’t trying to give an opinion on how they look on themself, rather fact on everyone.
the Rebbe spoke a Sicha (5738) that we learn not only from goyim but also from unkosher animals. see Shulchan Aruch begins be bold like leopard and strong as a lion (non kosher animals)
Couldn’t agree more
we can learn good things from everyone- even a robber as it says in hayom yom. we are not saying the queen is our new role model- we are just saying we can learn and see the inyan of tznius in the royal family eventhough non-jews.
how much more so should we be proud and dress with dignity instead of stooping to trash. this has nothing to do with cots- which is poison to a chosids mind- by changing its attitude to why he does certain things.
Although I believe its a jump to bring in call of the shofar, I do find this kind of interesting that we have go to goyim to see tzius? Why can’t we just bring examples from unzere on the streets of CH Kan Tziva Hashem es habracha?
Just my humble opionion
I don’t think this has anything to do with call of the shofar. I just appears that number 6 and some other commentators seem to see connection
There is a big difference between the Heilike Baal Shem tov and us ordinary people.
That being said: I don’t agree with number 6
What does this have to do with the call of the shofar?
To#9 That was really condescending of you.
Speak for yourself….
Number 6 hit it on the button.
We are seeing more and more how this call of the shofar is creeping into the frum community.
This is definitely the chevei moshiach and the last test.
It is amazing how much this tumah has infiltrated this community.
If only the rabbonim would stand up and get rid of this tumah and avodah zara.
Oh vey! Where are the mashpiim.
Going to foreign sources? We have chassidus!
We have tanya, and maamorim!
Oh vey!
Just recall the story of the Baal Shem tov and his Talmidim watching goyim carve the ice…
Non other than the besht taught that there is a lesson to be learned from everything we see! This is not a new concept. It’s one that is part of chasidus
as usual, the comments are much more entertaining than the article!
Where does that concept come from….learning from everyone and everything? I actually agree with it, but I just wonder where it comes from. From what I have observed in the Chabad community, many members believe that they should only learn from very specific texts and people.
have none of their own taste- they just follow blindly what style dictates not realizing how awful they look- something they wouldnt dare wear yesterday and say how ugly it is are suddenly flaunting it cuz now its in! do people not realize how narrow-minded this is??? im always shocked at how people are so tasteless that they can just wear whats in style when they couldnt wear it yesterday and will b so embarassed looking back at old pictures of themslves. women grow up! stop being so insecure! do whats right and cover yoursellf up appropriately with clothing YOU… Read more »
That’s completely not the point. The idea is more that we could take a lesson from anybody, along the same lines as the directive in Pirkei Avos “who is wise? He who learns from all man.” Its not a matter of learning klipa and having it adversely affect our spirituality, it’s taking a lesson that’s applicable across the board for all, and from the Queen of England, of all people. Its profound and heartening to hear. Please don’t jump the gun with random cots references.
you do know the concept that we should learn from everyone, and everything?
Sound like call of the shofar is still creeping into are lives.
We are learning from goyim?!!!
Hashem yerachem
Moshiach Now!
Royalty is demanding a makeover in fashion to modesty!
Modesty has been ours from the days of our ancestors.
Lets display our gift of modesty with pride and be an example
and a light to the nations.
If she was frum she would be trashed by comments that she is too frum & should move to williamsburg
But since she is a goy. Ah isnt is special that a goy is encouraging tznius…
Obviously it sounds like you are not a lover of fashion, but to those of us that are this is a beautiful reminder to keep our tznius intact and be trendy at the same time!
mini skirts look trashy anyway
Who wants to follow them anyways?