Question:
I grew up in Israel and my husband is American. While I wasn’t really raised in an observant home, until coming to America, I had never really heard of Halloween and from my understanding, it has its origins in Paganism.
My husband keeps telling me that it is American tradition and that there is nothing wrong with our six-year-old trick or treating, but something just doesn’t feel right. I think the whole holiday is weird and I don’t want my child dressed up as a skeleton and going to stranger’s homes. Am I overreacting?
Answer by Sara Esther Crispe on Chabad.org:
I could not agree with you more. Halloween is something I also cannot comprehend, and that is aside from the clear origins in Paganism. Even if you argue that there are no longer direct connections to that, and that it is a mainstream, irreligious holiday, the question still remains if it is appropriate for a Jewish child, and I would even further argue the question as to whether or not it is appropriate for any child.
You have hit a raw nerve here as every year I watch my neighborhood decorate its lawns with gravestones, skeletons, ghosts and goblins and I question why the well-to-do, educated and nice-mannered people that live here find that it is appropriate to celebrate death and gore with children and toddlers.
While your question is clearly a parenting one, allow me to spend one more minute furthering this idea, as it may help you in your discussion with your husband. I think in general that we accept certain things in our society simply because they were “always” this way. And for most people who were raised in the States, dressing up for Halloween is something that was just “always” done. Yet the fact that we were raised with it, doesn’t necessarily make it right.
Being that you were raised in Israel, you are not accustomed to this. So from your perspective, as an outsider, you really do see it for what it is. And what is it? It is a holiday designed to make lots and lots of money for commercial retailers at the expense of our children. How many parents have actually discussed death with their three to ten-year-olds? And even those who have, who wants to make the child terribly fearful of death or to think of death as something filled with blood and gore? And yet, these same parents will find it cute when their child wears a costume of a monster with a knife stuck in its forehead.
OK, all of that said, what should you do? Well, it is clear that I agree that you have substantial reasons for not wanting your child to participate in this. The question is, your husband clearly feels differently. I think for starters you should sit and discuss what it is that bothers you about this holiday (hopefully the above will give you some good starting points.)
You may also want to throw in demanding candy from strangers, and taking candy from strangers are the exact opposite of what you have most likely taught your child, and that you are not comfortable with him being a part of this. Now, you have not mentioned what your child thinks about this and if he is excited to go out with his daddy and trick or treat or if he is still too young to really care. But like anything, you cannot take something “fun” away unless you are able to replace it with something else.
I would speak to your husband and let him know that you would like to do something else fun and exciting on that day (or that night.) Figure out something together that you will all enjoy and that will not make your son, or your husband for that matter, feel that they are missing out.
Remember that this is not so much about who is right and who is wrong but more about how to handle any situation where two parents disagree as to what is in the best interest of the child. There may be times when you find something to be totally innocuous and your husband finds it dangerous or inappropriate. What is most important is that you are both clearly concerned with the well-being of your child, and when you realize that, then if something is really bothering one parent, it is rarely worth pursuing it, especially when it involves something quite unimportant.
So I wish you much luck in broaching the topic with your husband and letting him see how you view Halloween through your eyes. Explain to him that this holiday really goes against your values and that you don’t want your son exposed to what this holiday revels in. Hopefully your husband will understand your concern and even if he doesn’t agree with you, he will agree to do something else as a family that night. And your best bet is to have some alternatives in mind before beginning the discussion.
At the end of the day, if he is upset that he can’t sport the great costume he had in mind or the one he wanted for his son, let him know that Purim is not too far off, and that this holiday is one where not only do you get to dress in costume, but you actually give treats (in addition to receiving them) rather than taking them and the focus is on celebrating life, not death!
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I grew up going on trick or treat outings with my family & our non-Jewish neighbors. As I remember it was generally geared for children. These days it is just as much or more for adults and directed in a negative way. I always knew it was a non-Jewish day though even as a child. I don’t believe it is a healthy experience and is best to be avoided.
Why is even in the discussion? It commemorates when a plan to blow up the House of Parliament was discovered and prevented.
Chabad.org is NOT only for not-yet-religious people. Take a look at the fantastic essays by Rabbi Rubin there, advanced chassidus beyond anything I ever heard in a regular Chabad shul.
That was priceless!!!
Hilchot Haloween 1) No trick or treating until sundown. This year not before 5:54PM in the NY area. Children may trick or treat earlier for Chinuch, but it’s preferable if they wait until the zman. 2) A scary costume is preferable, but b’dieved, one dressed as a princess or Power Ranger has fulfilled the obligation of dressing up. 3) One who turns off the lights and pretends to be away is called a sinner! 4) Shaving cream used for tricks does not require kosher supervision. 5) If Halloween falls out on Shabbos, trick or treating within the eruv is permissible.… Read more »
When I went on Shlichus 16/17 years ago, Rabbi Shusterman told me that its chazer treif. I went azoi vayt as to ask him if I can leave some candy outside my door and let whoever comes by take, without me giving to them and he told me NO. I asked him if I can have kosher candy and made brochois with Jewish children, he told me again, NO and that all these kuntzin are a mitzvah habuh biaveirah.
My husband made it very clear to all of us that this ‘occasion’ has Pagan origins. This is one night that he doesn’t sit and learn B’chlal, because of the Tumah associated with it.
My kids still have their simchas torah candy stash sitting around…can’t even fathom why any parent would enable more. Obviously in addition to all the halachic and obvious reasons
I cited earlier the Toras Menachem- Menachem Tzion vol. II page 243.
correction: it’s page 343.
In the days me and some of my Jewish friends did not know better, we went trick or treating, I went to a Jewish home (we knew the family), and said, “trick or treat.” What did he do? He grabbed the bag out of my hand and said, “TRICK!” After a few moments, he gave it back with some candy.
They have hollween we BH have Purim we also dress up
I don’t know where in England you grew up. But when I was a kid everyone had large bonfires and fireworks.
They have hollween we BH have Purim we also dress up
This is a goyesh “holiday” and definately not for yedden. Do not go out on haloovim.
I heard from a reliable Rov, who does not want to be named, that if you live within the eruv boundaries of CH you may go trick or treating.
Halloween – another American import UK adopted. When I was young, it was barely mentioned, no-one really knew what it was or cared even if they did. But now, the kids go mad for it (almost has become a national holiday) and parents of all ilks actually encourage the trick-or-treating, even though it’s demanding money with menaces. Alas, times have changed!
What else needs to be said about it? Purim is five months away. Halloween WAS NOT & WILL NOT be for the Jews.
Gavaldig to see so many experts on Christianity and paganism amongst us…
@ poster 11 – is ignorant prejudice what it means to be a yid?
You brought up a good point, but it seems that the questioner isn’t religious. I don’t know if you noticed, but the article comes from Chabad.org which largely answers questions posed by people that are irreligious looking for answers on how to connect the outside world to yiddishkeit.
It is a little scary that you answer questions for people and cannot decipher WHO is asking the question before responding. As it CLEARLY states, this was a question posted to Chabad.org. A site whose target audience is NOT frum. Therefore a halachic response would fall on deaf ears and not be relevant at all, when you are responding to people who don’t KEEP halacha to begin with. The author is responding to a secular couple from different cultural backgrounds and responding to WHO they are, WHERE they are at, and in a way THEY will appreciate. B’ofen hamiskabel!
By now it is known what the Rebbe summed up that it is related to idolatry (see Toras Manachem-Menachem Tzion vol. II page nichum Aveilim 243)
There is answer of the Rebbe to the Satmar Rebbe regarding Halloween in Torat Menachem – Menachem Tziyon 343-4.
The woman should tell her husband that even Jeh-vah’s Witnesses do not celebrate Halloween (or x-mas, easter or valentine’s day for that matter) – Under penalty of death they will not celebrate those holidays! That should really make secular Jews who might consider participating in these pagan rituals pause and think: That a J. Witness Goy has mesiras nefesh not to celebrate halloween! Oy vey!
May Hashem save us all! Ad mosai!!!!!!!
regularly co-opted pagan holidays and gave them a Catholic spin so as to gain more followers. The Catholics made up the Saints day Nov 1 after hearing about Halloween. Their motto is ‘If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em’ They also took pagan mid-winter festivals, combined with Hannukah being 25 Kislev, put it in a pot and presto you have Xmas Dec. 25th. They aren’t terribly creative, except maybe for their 3-in-1 voodoo magic with their gods.
Let’s not say that by not celebrating Halloween we are depriving our children of having fun and “being kids” in the name of religion. Jews know how to have a lot of fun without mixing in non-Jewish ideas, we don’t need to look for other nation’s way of enjoyment (which, mind you, in this case, is quite a horrible form.) Please go have fun with your children and don’t make them feel deprived that they can’t go trick or treating because they’re Jewish. Educate your children without non-Jewish holidays and they’ll be fine.
With a due respect to the writer of this article, I feel compelled to express my bewilderment at the tone tone and content of your answer to this women’s plight. As someone like the writer who has decided to devote time and energy to answering people’s questions and to offer people advice on matters important to them, it is vital to first establish the NATURE of the question before launching right away into solving it. The question at hand is first and foremost; a HALACHIC one which deserves to be answered by a rabbi knowledgable of topics of this nature.… Read more »
#3 is just asking why it’s necessary for Col to post this.
Did you read the article or only the question??????? (this refers to both the comments answering and challenging!!)
Something is seriously wrong with you. You might want to talk to your Mashppia.
To comments 1,2,3 this article is a re-print from Chabad.org probably not asked by a Lubavitchet or any frum person
The answer is a great , giving an understanding of the issues that any Jew can relate to followed by wonderful advice. Now go read it all again 🙂
This “holiday” summarizes what it means to be a goy
The Catholics have a day on November 1 to commemorate their saints. They celebrated the night before as all hallows eve.
Like many pagan holidays, Halloween was co-opted by the Xtians. It celebrates the night before All Saints’ Day. Funny how so many secularized goyim will reject Xmas but embrace this because of the chance to wear kinky costumes. Definitely not for Yidden.
You brought up a good point, but it seems that the questioner isn’t religious. I don’t know if you noticed, but the article comes from Chabad.org which largely answers questions posed by people that are irreligious looking for answers on how to connect the outside world to yiddishkeit.
Halloween is about Avodah Zara, Witchcraft, Human Sacrifice, Vampirism, Necrophilia and Extortion (Treat or Death). It is a monstrous pagan orgy, totally against the Torah. DO NOT LET AN IGNORAMUS TELL YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
duh!
I see the original article is from Chabad.org which caters to non frum readers but this is COL and everyone here is basically Chabad. Don’t tell me that this is actually an issue for lubavitchers. I can’t believe it.
Come on – why does religion need to kill all the joys of life? Let kids be kids. If they want to have fun, don’t stop them in the name of religion because that will cause them to resent the religion and reject it. Harmless fun IS ok!!
Why would Lubavitch parents want to have their kids go door to door begging for treif candy?
Halloween started with anti semitism .
The ghost of hollow would dress up with masks, (to conceal their identify) and terrorize the hidden.
They thru eggs at the yiddeshe homes.
If you feel that you want to partake in this, please reconsider.
I wouldn’t celebrate Halloween beause its chukas hagoyim a goyishe holiday aside from the reasons above